Participants: Amy Wellard, Cherie Lon Fernandez
Series Code: WM
Program Code: WM000437
00:16 Welcome to "Wonderfully Made"
00:18 Today on the program we have Dr. Cherie Lon Fernandez 00:21 to talk to us about the hot topic of PMS 00:25 Welcome to the show Dr. Cherie Lon 00:27 Thank you for inviting me. 00:29 PMS, now it's NOT all in your head. 00:32 PMS - premenstrual syndrome 00:34 Actually, this was first coined around the 1980s, I believe, 00:38 in Britain which is my home country, 00:40 and many times women were caught and accused of being 00:44 guilty of various crimes and their excuse was... 00:48 "Officer, I had premenstrual syndrome... 00:50 I was about to start my menstruation" 00:53 And so it became criminal cases; 00:54 it became known in criminal conversations. 00:56 So, tell us a little bit about PMS, 00:58 and how many women are affected by this? 01:01 Oh, it is some 20 to 50% of women that suffer from this, 01:07 and many just do it from day-to-day thinking that it's 01:12 just a regular thing actually... 01:14 But it can be SO SEVERE that the woman really is 01:21 incapacitated... and it can even go to what you call the 01:27 "premenstrual dysphoric disorder" 01:33 When the woman is now clinically affected by 01:36 depression, she has clinical depression associated 01:40 with these premenstrual problems of bloating, 01:44 or headaches or irritability, and she's always tense, 01:49 she is always sad or depressed, always anxious, 01:55 and excessively irritable... 02:01 Very high irritability at this time just prior to menses, 02:07 and that's what PMS is. 02:10 So it's affecting almost half the female population 02:14 at some time in our lives. 02:16 And of course, whatever affects her also affects him, right? Yes 02:20 So if we have any male viewers, and I'm sure we do, 02:22 and I hope we do, please stay with us 02:24 because you're going to learn, today, some things that 02:26 could really help you to help the special lady in your life. 02:29 So when a woman goes to the doctor with PMS-type symptoms, 02:33 typically, what would the doctor be looking for? 02:36 PMS - there is no blood exam for it, you know. 02:41 So the doctor usually will say... 02:43 Maybe if you didn't go to your doctor - if they haven't gone 02:47 to their doctor yet, it would help them to know that 02:51 before you go to your doctor, so that you just go 02:53 straight and have your help right away, 02:56 it would be necessary that at 02:58 LEAST you get 2 months of charting of the menstrual cycle 03:03 and all the manifestations. 03:04 Every day you say this... "Today, this is what happened. " 03:08 Tomorrow and the next day - EVERY detail of the 03:12 menstrual days - up to the next menses and the next. 03:16 So a total of 2 cycles, you chart down 03:19 ALL your manifestations, 03:21 and then the doctor can work on that. 03:24 Okay, so you would even include things like - 03:27 When I started to open the refrigerator 03:29 and eat everything inside, 03:30 and how I got irritable with my husband, 03:33 every symptom, not just physical discomfort. 03:37 Yes because PMS is BOTH physical and emotional. 03:42 When we have menses, we probably have just a little 03:45 emotional problem - this is because of the pain... 03:48 But this one is NOT because of the pain, 03:50 NOT because of bloating, not because of that, 03:52 that's only one-half of the manifestation. 03:54 The other half, which is really very problematic, 03:58 is when she starts to have emotional problems. 04:01 I think we can all relate to that... 04:04 At some point in our lives PMS seems to affect us... 04:07 especially as we get older, 04:08 maybe because of hormonal imbalances. Yes 04:11 Certainly I can relate to that personally. 04:14 I actually had PMS, probably at least 5 years... 04:18 But, we're going to talk about some of the solutions 04:20 that have really helped me. ... That would be good 04:22 So tell me a little bit about the hormones... 04:24 What's really going on, and when we talk about 04:26 hormonal problems, exactly what is it? 04:29 Is it too much progesterone? 04:30 Is it too much estrogen? 04:31 What is it? There are 2 schools of thought 04:38 I got it - 2 schools of thought; 04:41 one school says that there is too much estrogen 04:45 The other school of thought says TOO MUCH progesterone. 04:50 But the thing is, it's whether it's progesterone or estrogen, 04:55 there is always too much of one. 04:57 Also then, there is a relative imbalance between the 2 hormones 05:02 So when there's a relative imbalance between these 05:05 2 hormones, you know, these hormones you already know, 05:09 I cannot say enough of this - it's very important. 05:12 ALL cells of the body are affected by the female hormone. 05:16 I mean for the female body. 05:17 It's affected by the female hormone. 05:22 Especially our brain, it's soaked with 05:25 receptors for the estrogen and the 05:28 progesterone. Really, I didn't know that. 05:30 When you have the estrogen and progesterone problems, 05:33 it affects the hormones in our brain 05:36 like serotonin and beta endorphins. 05:39 you know, these substances in our brain - neurotransmitters 05:42 that affect how good we feel about ourselves, okay? 05:46 Or how SAD we feel about ourselves. 05:48 The endorphins, now are they 05:50 what we call the "happy hormones?" Yes! 05:51 So I'm guessing the beta endorphins would be diminished 05:54 during the PMS phase. 05:56 Is that why we start feeling miserable and sad? Yes 05:58 So it really is physiological the reason that we feel sad 06:02 and depressed. 06:03 There is a physiological reason behind it. 06:07 So it's not just all in our minds? 06:09 That's good news, that's encouraging! 06:11 So, how can you tell without a blood test necessarily 06:16 that you have PMS... because there was no 06:18 blood test, as you said. 06:20 Yes, it is important, therefore, that you know your plotting 06:24 of your daily activities and whatever happens... 06:28 it's important that you put this down because 06:31 the manifestations are the ones that WILL give the doctors 06:35 the diagnosis that you're having PMS. 06:39 Now the rise in PMS, so maybe it's not really rhythm, 06:44 and it's just that we're more aware of it 06:45 because of the culture we live in. 06:47 We're very conscious about health issues, 06:48 and help is more readily available than it was 06:51 100 years ago, but the rise in PMS seems to correlate 06:54 with the rise in obesity in women. 06:56 Is there a hormonal connection with the obesity? 07:00 Yes there is... lifestyle has so much to do with 07:03 every part organ and system of our body, 07:08 but mainly there are more obese people - what you said 07:14 Now obese people have more fat in the body... 07:19 Unfortunately, FAT can be converted into ESTROGEN 07:26 in the body. 07:28 So you are ovulating, so you are having your 07:31 menses regular and you have your normal estrogen, 07:34 but you have your fat producing even MORE estrogen! 07:37 So then you have more estrogen than your body can handle. 07:41 More estrogen than your brain cells can handle 07:44 because your fat cells can convert this cholesterol 07:51 into estrogen. 07:53 And the more estrogen you've got floating around, 07:56 the more PMS symptoms - Very interesting 07:59 So one of the indicators would be to try to lose weight 08:02 as much as possible. Very, very important! 08:05 Okay, so how can you tell which of your hormones 08:09 is out of balance if, say you're at the ideal weight 08:12 Obviously, you're not producing more estrogen than you should. 08:15 Can you assume that it's too much progesterone 08:17 or you're progesterone dominant? 08:21 That's why they have these 2 schools and they cannot decide 08:25 They cannot decide which is which! 08:27 Personally, I believe that it's the progesterone that's high 08:32 that causes it, but it's not for me to say... 08:35 I'm only one little ant. Why do you believe that? 08:40 It's because progesterone is released in the second half 08:44 of the cycle... Which is when we get the symptoms. 08:46 That's when you get the symptoms. Right 08:48 But the thing is, the lowering of the estrogen, 08:51 even if progesterone is there... 08:53 So if you have a person who is on the slim side, 08:56 it might be progesterone is the predominant thing. 08:59 If you have a person who is on the heavy side, 09:02 it could be that this were estrogen 09:05 being the predominant thing. 09:07 Okay, so either way, we're not going to be getting 09:09 shots of the compound that we have too little of. No-no 09:11 So either way, we've got an imbalance, 09:13 and so what we need to do is really think about 09:15 how we can correct this imbalance throughout the month 09:18 so that when it comes to ovulation and the phase 09:21 just preceding menstruation, we can breathe a sigh of relief 09:24 and so can our husbands and boyfriends, 09:27 and not have to leave the house! 09:29 They know when... "She's getting it again" 09:32 "It's that time" 09:34 "It's that time, I have to tighten my belt" 09:37 Okay, so let's talk about lifestyle management... 09:40 What can we do that's really going to 09:42 not only eliminate, hopefully, most of the symptoms, 09:45 but make us feel better? 09:47 We cannot overemphasize food being really a very big 09:53 portion - I mean cause of all our problems, 09:57 so especially when you say "salt" 10:01 This is for the physical part of it yet. 10:03 Salt tends to keep water in your body. 10:09 So, you get congestion, you get bloatedness. 10:12 So therefore, in the middle of your cycle, 10:15 when you start in the middle of your cycle, 10:17 day 14- if you would want to say - you know that you're 10:20 going there - start controlling your salt intake - 10:24 so that the end would be you won't be keeping 10:28 too much water, you won't get so much bloating, 10:31 you won't get too much congestion. 10:33 So you're not just talking about table salt, 10:35 and adding it to the food, but you're talking about the 10:37 hidden sodium in canned foods. Yes-yes 10:40 Almost all our processed foods contains sodium. 10:42 If you look on your labels you find that. Yes 10:44 Make it a habit to always look how many grams of sodium 10:49 you have in your food, because it's really a lot hidden 10:53 Right, and cutting down on pretzels, all those crinkly bags 10:57 Okay so salt is one of the main culprits. Yes! 11:00 SUGAR - the opposite! 11:03 Sweet food - well, I don't know about you, 11:06 but I do have a sweet tooth! 11:08 It's hard to get the control, but you have to develop habits. 11:15 You have to develop a pattern of thinking that... 11:17 "This is not good for me around this time" 11:20 ...It's never good for you anyway. 11:22 But EXTRA CARE in the second half of your cycle 11:26 because that's when it can wreak havoc the most. 11:33 And again, there's sugar in many 11:35 of our supposedly savory products. 11:37 Yes, besides when you have a lot of sugar, 11:39 it leaches you of your vitamins and minerals. 11:42 In order to metabolize all the sugar to make it 11:46 available to your body and get rid of it or whatever, 11:49 store it somehow, you will need more vitamins and minerals... 11:53 So then you would be leaching your body of that. 11:55 So imagine how bad you would be feeling 11:57 towards the beginning of your menses... 12:00 you know - towards the end of your cycle. 12:03 On that sugar point, what about artificial sweeteners - 12:06 ...sorbitol, aspartame? Yes 12:10 The problem with especially aspartame is it inhibits 12:17 or rather it is something that grabs or - no it's not grab... 12:22 It gets in the way of tryptophan. 12:27 tryptophan is the precursor for the serotonin, 12:31 the good hormone. That's makes you feel good! 12:32 Yeah - the feel-good-hormone serotonin comes from tryptophan, 12:38 and aspartame inhibits tryptophan 12:41 from becoming serotonin. 12:43 So you're going to feel even worse after using 12:45 artificial sweeteners like aspartame. 12:47 Unfortunately, we don't want to gain weight, 12:49 we go to aspartame but it works on our 12:52 tryptophan - serotonin problems happen. 12:55 Okay, so we need to be reading labels, 12:57 making sure we know what we're consuming. 13:00 All that hidden sugar, there's so much hidden sugar 13:02 in our diet, you'd be amazed. 13:03 Okay, what about spicy foods? 13:05 Oh! Can you imagine! 13:07 I can imagine, I love spicy food. 13:10 I can eat spicy food but I KNOW right after 13:14 I eat spicy food, I become... 13:16 you know - you become tense and irritable. 13:19 And imagine what it's doing in your tummy, 13:21 and does in your intestines. 13:23 It is something that EXCITES you! 13:27 Makes you even MORE sensitive... 13:29 So you get irritable, even your brain becomes 13:32 irritable brain. 13:34 So you become what you eat. Yes - FIREY 13:39 And if we're already naturally a little bit fiery, 13:41 we certainly don't want to make it worse. 13:45 Other facts that can exacerbate the problem... 13:47 ALCOHOL also leaches us of our vitamins and minerals, 13:54 and it's stored in fat... 13:56 So, it's not helping you one bit - you know. 13:59 And caffeine too - it causes your sympathetic nervous system 14:08 to be working overtime. 14:10 And it also, the same way as sugar does, 14:14 the same way as alcohol does, 14:16 it also leaches you. 14:18 In order to get rid of these, in order for your body to 14:20 work by the stimulation of the caffeine, 14:23 you are using up your stored vitamins and minerals... 14:27 And it's very important for us to refrain from taking 14:30 these substances. 14:33 When you talk about the sympathetic nervous system, 14:35 I always used to think... Well, sympathetic sounds like 14:37 it relaxes and giving you sympathy, 14:39 making you feel better, but it's actually the opposite. 14:42 It's the parasympathetic that calms you down. 14:45 Sympathetic is one that makes you GO - you're ready to FIGHT! 14:50 That's the one that's highly stimulated at this 14:52 phase in the cycle. 14:53 You don't want to... Okay, I got it! 14:56 So, now let's talk about 14:57 chocolate again... that's another one. 14:59 We talked about that on the last program. 15:00 That is personal to me because I used to be a 15:03 chocoholic... Oh you did? I did. 15:05 I could eat a bag of chocolate. Really? 15:07 Tastes good! I think I was the same. 15:12 So what's wrong with taking chocolate 15:14 to relieve some of the symptoms? 15:15 I mean - what are the negatives? 15:17 OH, not everybody loves dark chocolate besides, 15:21 and nobody wants chocolate without sugar. 15:23 It's too bitter... 15:24 But it's the dark chocolate that they say is good... 15:27 The lesser the sugar - yes, they say because it's 15:29 rich in magnesium, but there is other stuff 15:32 that they put on your chocolate - 15:34 ...the sugar and additives and whatever that 15:40 in the end you would rather not have the chocolate. 15:43 Okay, so what's the alternative? 15:44 For everything we're giving up, 15:45 there's got to be something better! 15:49 We said chocolate is rich in magnesium. 15:55 Of course vegetables - green leafy vegetables 16:00 are very rich in magnesium, very rich in calcium, 16:03 very rich in manganese; all good for the PMS. 16:06 So I'm just going to eat them when I'm having the symptoms? 16:09 NO - you've got to have them 16:10 Again, prevention - prevention is better than cure! 16:14 You've got to have a stock of it before so that 16:17 your body can have it. 16:18 You don't look for it when you need it. 16:20 It's already there because you were 16:22 taking care of your body BEFORE it even happened. 16:25 And of course, you've got all the other benefits 16:26 from the vegetables including 16:28 fiber to relieve constipation and so on. That's so true! 16:31 So you mentioned earlier about tryptophan... 16:33 This is the precursor to serotonin. Yes 16:36 It helps us to feel good. 16:38 Where can we get that tryptophan from so we can feel good? 16:43 Pumpkin seeds is one of the richest plant foods 16:51 that has tryptophan. 16:53 And many of the seeds, you know, the small ones; 16:57 sesame, sunflower, chia, flaxseeds - they are very rich, 17:05 and all the other legumes and nuts are rich. 17:11 So if you have a balanced diet, even of the plant food, 17:16 you know - from the plant food, 17:18 you would have enough tryptophan to help you. 17:21 So are there any other ways that we can maximize 17:23 the serotonin level besides the diet? 17:26 You've got the diet all sorted out and everything is going well 17:29 Oh - SUNSHINE! 17:31 Sunshine really helps you; 17:33 it brings up your serotonin level. 17:35 EXERCISE! 17:37 Exercise is VERY important. 17:39 It helps, you know, your well-being 17:42 which practically is your better endorphins, 17:46 and your serotonin. 17:47 Sleep early so that your body can work and recover, 17:50 and make these hormones - you have to make these things. 17:53 And as we mentioned earlier, many of us are overweight... 17:56 I, myself, was very overweight at one time in my life, 17:59 and I'm sure that contributed 18:01 to my PMS problems. Me too Oh really, you too? 18:05 Yes, I don't want to think about it, 18:06 but it WAS there - it was there at one time. 18:10 Okay, so we want to encourage those of you that are watching 18:13 Maybe you want to lose a few pounds, 18:14 losing them will really help EVERY aspect of your life, 18:18 not just the premenstrual syndrome, 18:20 as symptoms that you may be experiencing but many other 18:23 aspects of your overall health as well. 18:26 So, are there any other exercises that 18:28 you could recommend specifically to help us to relax 18:31 It's really very important that 18:33 you have REGULAR moderate exercises. 18:35 Don't push yourself beyond your limit, that's important... 18:39 And stretching and relaxing because you're stressed now, 18:45 so you get to do relaxing exercises and deep-breathing 18:51 exercises so that you have more oxygen to your brain. 18:54 Even deep-breathing already helps regulate 18:57 your circulation throughout your body. 18:59 And what about hydrotherapy? 19:03 I'm just wondering because PMS is a syndrome 19:06 that lasts for 2 weeks or so, 19:08 so it's really half of a woman's life. 19:10 Is there any hydrotherapy she can use 19:12 during those 2 weeks that will help it to be eliminated? 19:17 I believe... I'm convinced that hot foot baths 19:25 yes - like for the menstruation is very good. 19:28 Then if you can do it every day 19:30 around the time you are having your menses. 19:33 But you could have, prior to that, 19:35 you could have hot and cold shower... 19:38 Every day, every morning, I believe that every morning 19:41 if you have a good shower - hot and cold; 19:45 3 minutes of hot and 30 seconds of cold; 19:50 like 3 or 4 changes. 19:53 This gives you... it's like making your body 19:57 be ready for whatever is coming throughout the day 20:01 for all your systems. 20:03 It sounds very stimulating. Yes, it is! 20:05 It helps your body come to par, you would say, 20:07 and optimum work in its optimum. 20:10 It's simple actually. 20:11 Turn to shower to hot for 3 minutes; 20:13 and then turn it down to 30 seconds, 20:15 then turn it hot again for 3 minutes, turn it down... 20:18 3 to 4 in the first half of your cycle that would be 20:22 really good, then you could have your 20:23 hot foot bath towards the second half of your menses. 20:26 Okay, what about sitz baths? 20:28 I mean, we hear about sitz baths. 20:30 Yes, if your bloating is really bad, 20:33 then you could have your sitz bath. 20:34 You know, you have your big tub and you sit down 20:38 into the tub and it should be deep - up to your navel... 20:43 deep in the tub, your butt goes into the big tub 20:46 that is ICE COLD! 15- 1-2-3... 15 seconds! 20:53 No, it is one of the best things that can help you 20:57 with your bloating - one of the BEST things! 21:00 How does that work physiologically? 21:02 It constricts all the blood vessels 21:05 and it makes the blood go to your circulation. 21:07 Then your bloating, your problem here will just subside. 21:13 You'd be wide awake after that kind of treatment! Yeah! 21:16 Now what about herbal agents? 21:18 This is the bit that you and I love, 21:20 we love studying about herbs. 21:21 So lets tell our viewers which herbs can really, really help, 21:24 and I have my own experience with this as well. 21:26 One of the best herbs - you know I'm not really an 21:31 herb specialist but I read Hoffmann, I read Duke 21:37 and one of the things that stuck in my mind is 21:40 you know 3 or 4 herbs and you know them WELL, 21:44 especially those that are easy to come by with - you know 21:48 And I think chasteberry or Vitex, ginkgo and dong quai 21:56 ...you have a conglomeration of 3 working together. 22:00 The mixture of ginkgo, dong quai and chasteberry 22:04 is very, very effective for PMS. 22:09 It's because they work on your hormones. Right 22:13 So they get to the CAUSE of the problem 22:15 rather than just dealing with the symptom. Yes 22:17 And just for our viewers, to clarify that the 22:19 chasteberry is otherwise known as the Vitex. 22:22 It's actually the same herb; so it's sometimes marketed as 22:25 Vitex, sometimes it's chasteberry, 22:27 and if I could just share at this point... 22:29 I had severe PMS, as I've mentioned, 22:31 and I'm not a herbalist, I can't recommend, 22:34 but this is what I did... I can tell you what I did. 22:36 I took a cup of the Vitex berries, the chasteberries, 22:40 put them in quart of water and just brought them to the 22:43 boil and then simmer for 20 minutes... 22:45 and then strained off the berries keep the liquid, 22:48 and it's a concentrate, and I added some 22:50 blackstrap molasses to make a whole quart 22:52 of the concentrate and keep it in the fridge... 22:55 And I would just take 3 tablespoons twice a day 22:57 throughout my cycle and I got results right away. 23:00 Absolutely NO symptoms, nothing - it was amazing! 23:04 So I just want to share that because I REALLY know 23:06 and I have confidence that these herbs 23:07 really do... Yeah, they do work. 23:09 We see a lot in Wildwood doing these things. 23:12 You've seen these herbs, a lot of women who suffer 23:15 from PMS - they do well after they take the herb. 23:20 But I have to say... You have to do all the rest 23:24 of the lifestyle changes. 23:25 Okay, you can't just use the herb like a drug. 23:28 Usually the herb is something that we fall back to 23:33 like you would do Tylenol or an antidepressant drug. 23:38 But that's not the way it's supposed to be... 23:40 because regular lifestyle would already even help you. 23:44 You might not even need your herbs anymore 23:47 if you were really doing your lifestyle changes 23:50 with real conviction. 23:51 Right, that's a very good point, 23:53 Dr. Cherie Lon that it's very easy for us to just take herbs 23:57 as though they were a medicine just like we would a drug, 23:59 and think it would take care of our neglecting other areas... 24:02 But you know, there really is a blessing in the Scripture that 24:04 if we, in Deuteronomy 7, that if we diligently hearken to 24:09 all these judgments or laws that God has given us... 24:12 and you've really described to us what are the laws that 24:15 God has put in our body to govern us that we may be well 24:18 the promise is that He will bless the womb. Yes, He will. 24:21 And everything associated with the womb, 24:23 which of course, is PMS... 24:25 So we can just take that blessing, take that promise, 24:27 along with doing all we can and expect the Lord 24:30 to really bless us. 24:31 I can truly say that's what He has done in my experience, 24:34 and I'm very thankful. 24:36 Well, Dr. Cherie Lon, is there anything else that you feel 24:38 that our viewers would really benefit from knowing 24:40 regarding PMS - maybe you can give a word 24:42 for the husbands out there. 24:44 The husbands who need to know how to take care of her. 24:48 Yes, you see, a woman - Let me re-phrase... 24:53 God created Eve to be Adam's helpmeet, right? 25:00 It's not that she was supposed to lord over him. 25:03 He got her from the rib, because she was supposed 25:06 to be somebody he was to love. 25:11 So she can only be a helpmeet to him only as much as 25:17 he is supportive to her! 25:19 OH, that's a very interesting point! 25:21 So how can she help him if she's writhing in pain, 25:26 she's crying like mad. 25:28 The husband says - "You're not functioning, 25:31 you're - you're you're! 25:32 It cannot be - the husband has to be supportive of his wife, 25:35 understanding all these... 25:38 And supporting her - okay... "Honey, let's go walking" 25:42 "Honey, let's drink our water" 25:43 "Honey, let's sleep early" 25:45 "Honey, let's eat this, instead of this" 25:48 And he's going to get the benefit too! EXACTLY! 25:50 Not only his wife, both of them! Right 25:53 Imagine having your wife's endocrine system working well... 25:57 yours would too! 25:58 If you don't take care of your woman, 26:00 she won't take care of you! 26:02 Okay, but what about taking care of yourself? 26:04 How are you going to take care of yourself when it comes to 26:07 food and wanting to snack and... 26:09 Oh, because we feel bloated and we're usually overweight 26:16 and you want to lose weight because you know losing weight 26:18 will help you, then you start dieting - going into dieting. 26:23 Is that the answer? 26:25 Oh, maybe, but you know what we usually do is... 26:28 We don't eat, you know? 26:31 Today, I'll only eat an apple. 26:34 And then, you're depriving yourself of the nutrients 26:37 your body needs for the day. 26:39 And finally, when your body is saying - "I NEED FOOD" 26:43 and you've not eaten for some time, drinking water, 26:46 only lemon water and just this little food, 26:49 just this little ice, what do you call this... 26:52 juice drink to lose weight. 26:55 But you're really, really hungry. 26:58 What are you going to do? Danger! 27:01 Because then, when you see food you... 27:03 then you start eating and make up for 27:06 the food that you didn't eat for how many days... 27:09 That's going to just ruin EVERYTHING. 27:12 When you don't eat regularly, which is really the key. 27:17 Don't deprive yourself of eating. 27:20 Just eat the right amount and eat regularly. 27:24 We eat regularly - A LOT! 27:27 Regularly and moderately and a balanced diet, 27:30 but never deprive yourself, it will make problems. 27:35 So that's the key! 27:36 Regularity and temperance in all things. 27:39 Thank you Dr. Cherie Lon. 27:40 And thank you viewers for joining us today. 27:42 Please remember, God has promised to 27:45 bless the fruit of your womb 27:46 as you diligently hearken to these principles. 27:49 God bless you. |
Revised 2014-12-17