Participants: David DeRose and John Clark
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Program Code: WM000403
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00:03 designed to promote good health and is not 00:04 intended to take the place of personalized 00:06 professional care. The opinions and ideas 00:09 expressed are those of the speaker. 00:11 Viewers are encouraged to draw their own conclusions 00:14 about the information presented. 00:35 Welcome to Wonderfully Made. I am Dr. David DeRose, 00:37 president of Compass Health Incorporated. 00:40 Today, we are going to be looking at a subject that is 00:42 really grabbing lots of headlines, but perhaps 00:45 not in the way that you think they are. 00:47 We are gonna be speaking about a subject, looking at 00:50 natural remedies and the challenges in 00:53 natural remedies research to aid me in this very 00:56 important topic as well as giving you some practical 00:58 insights that will help you at home is Dr. John Clark. 01:02 Dr. Clark, it's wonderful to have you with us 01:04 on today's edition of Wonderfully Made. 01:06 Thanks for having me. You know John, we in the 01:10 medical profession are always hearing about the 01:13 latest studies, there are all kinds of continuing medical 01:16 education classes that are trying to make sure, 01:19 patients have cutting edge information and that 01:21 they are applying it in their practice. 01:23 The Montra if you will will in medical circles 01:26 today is evidence based. Yes. 01:30 What does that conjure up in your mind as a physician? 01:33 Well, when you're talking about evidence, it sounds 01:35 like a court case. You know, in fact that's 01:38 where it ends up a lot of times, 01:40 so are you following exactly what the letter of 01:43 the medical literature says? Now, this is a fascinating 01:46 topic and for those of you tuning in today, 01:49 there are study after study coming out, putting out 01:52 conclusions that really raise concerns about the way 01:55 doctors are practicing. I've got some of them 01:58 with me today, sitting on my desk, 02:00 talking about whether physicians are complying with 02:04 current guidelines. Here is one from the 02:06 mayo clinic proceedings, patients understanding and 02:10 compliance with medications. Medical professionals as 02:14 they look at the landscape of American medicine are very 02:17 concerned. That doctors and patients are not complying, 02:21 they are not following the best evidence and what 02:22 they are doing. Dr. Clark, you have been treating 02:25 patients over the years, you are doing a lot 02:26 with patient education, are you worried that patients 02:29 are not complying with evidence based medicine. 02:32 Well, I certainly worry when they don't comply 02:34 with what I tell them. Well, hopefully your giving 02:37 them what you think is the best information, right. 02:40 That's right. And, you're really 02:41 worry about that. Oh! Yeah, you know, 02:43 you tell him what to do, and they do half of it, 02:45 and they get half a results or they're half sicker. 02:49 So, when these expert bodies come out with a 02:52 proclamation, let say, let's take an example of 02:54 some new medication that's out there. 02:56 Yes. The word comes out that 02:58 they have done these randomized controlled, 03:01 the double blinded studies, you know the highest 03:03 standard of medical research has been brought to bear 03:07 and this new drug is going to help with the certain 03:10 problem and so the experts say every patient with this 03:13 condition should be on this medication, 03:16 you see things like that come across your desk. 03:18 Oh! Yeah. So, does that mean that 03:20 you as a physician then really are not doing your job 03:24 unless you prescribe that medication for every patient 03:26 with that condition. Possibly and then of course 03:29 you have the advertisements to tell the patients about 03:31 this information on their TV screens, and they come in 03:34 already having filled out their shopping lists 03:37 and they know what they want. 03:38 Now, you exactly right, there is a lot of demand for 03:40 medication and part of that demand is being fueled by 03:43 advertising practices. Yes. 03:46 So, what the challenges is for us today? 03:48 They were talking about natural remedies and 03:51 you and I both over the years have worked with some 03:53 simple approaches to dealing with disease, we've seen 03:57 God bless those simple treatments and yet many times 04:00 we don't have a huge double blinded Placebo 04:04 control trials, after all how can you do a 04:06 Placebo control trial with hydrotherapy. 04:09 What kind of Placebo is going to be the substitute 04:11 for putting a hot pack on someone's chest, 04:13 they're not going to know about it, have 04:15 you figured that one out. Well, it's kind of difficult, 04:17 I have seen some studies where they came up 04:19 with some interesting Placebo's, but even the 04:23 Placebo could have some interesting affects. 04:25 What, well the bottom-line in a real 04:28 Placebo control trial is that someone is going to 04:32 think that the treatment and the Placebo are identical 04:35 and if I'm sticking a hot pack on your chest, 04:38 you are not gonna walk out of the study and say, 04:39 well I'm not really sure, whether I got the hot pack 04:41 or whether I got something that had no heat in it. 04:44 That's right. So, at a certain respect 04:46 the playing field is not completely level. 04:49 Right. Because with many of these 04:51 natural remedies, especially the physical modalities, 04:54 the hydrotherapy, you can't really do a 04:58 true double blinded study. True, yes. 05:01 Tell me as an orthopedic surgeon, 05:02 I know that's what your primary specialty is, 05:05 whether you've seen hydrotherapy provide 05:08 benefits to your patients. Oh! Definitely, you bet and 05:11 I've often instructed patients to do 05:13 hydrotherapy at home. Give us a practical example, 05:16 so someone listening to, we don't want to just to 05:18 hear philosophy, we want them to say, well you know, 05:21 these guys talked about some philosophy, 05:23 but they gave me some practical pointers, what can 05:26 you do with hydrotherapy in the orthopedic room. 05:28 Oh! Well, for example, I sprained my ankle, 05:32 I use myself as an example. And, what happened is I was 05:36 moving some furniture, I twisted my ankle, 05:38 I thought a had broken it. Umm! 05:41 I was sure that I was gonna be in a cast. 05:42 So, an orthopedic surgeon misdiagnosed himself. 05:46 Yes, I was thinking, okay, it's gonna be funny 05:49 maybe I ought to put on my own cast and what am 05:51 I gonna do. I was crawling around the house. 05:53 I couldn't put weight on it. And so I started in on 05:56 some hydrotherapy. My hydrotherapy, 05:59 well I put my foot in a bucket of hot water 06:03 for three minutes. Okay. 06:05 Hot as I could stand and then I put it in a bucket of 06:09 ice cold water and it was winter, so there was 06:12 ice cold water coming out of my faucet practically 06:16 and that was one minute, I went back to hot for three, 06:18 back to cold for one, the alternating 06:21 hot and cold three times. Okay, so three cycles, 06:24 three applications of hot, three applications of cold. 06:26 That's right. And, then I ended with cold, 06:29 put on a stocking and let it rest for about a half hour. 06:34 A day or two of doing that, three times a day and it was 06:37 doing so well, I was walking around the house, so I'd 06:39 forgotten about it and I twisted it again, 06:42 sad to say, but I want to back to my hydrotherapy again 06:44 and within a couple of days, I was fine. So, I didn't 06:47 have any embarrassment of walking around in my office 06:50 or crutch walking around my office 06:52 explaining to patients that I was one of them. 06:55 Now, let me ask you this, the conventional wisdom 06:57 though John, with acute injury is just use ice, 07:00 just use cold, isn't that what we've been told. 07:02 Yes. Why were you using this 07:03 alternating hot and cold. Yeah, I am glad you bring 07:06 that up and if my ankle had been purple and 07:09 three times it's normal size, I would have used just ice. 07:13 Okay. But it was sore, it was hurt, 07:15 but it wasn't swollen badly and it certainly wasn't 07:18 bruised or purple. And, so just using the cold, 07:23 that would have worked too, but the hot and cold 07:25 stimulates faster healing, it tends to when you 07:28 put on a hot, it brings more blood into area. 07:31 Umm! Umm! When you put on the cold 07:32 on the surface, it tends to dry the blood deep, 07:35 when you go back and fourth those vessels opening and 07:38 closing tend to pump the tissues, so that it gets 07:40 edema or swelling out of the ankle. And, 07:43 it also increases the white count in the system 07:46 and white cells are involved in healing as well. 07:49 So, it works very well. So, there is no question 07:53 in your mind that that treatment was efficacious 07:56 in dealing with your sprained ankle. 07:58 Correct, yes. And, you've applied 08:00 that counsel, you have given that prescription 08:03 to many of your patients with similar injuries. 08:05 Always. Yes, I have. And they've had 08:06 good results as well. Oh! Yeah, yeah very good 08:08 results and often time we are able to avoid using 08:12 poisonous drugs or having to go on four more 08:16 surgery or physical therapy. Now, I am gonna ask you 08:19 this question John, because I haven't seen it, I haven't 08:22 seen out there in the literature where there is a 08:24 study of alternating hot and cold therapy, 08:26 at least done recently. Is there data out there 08:29 like this or it just something that we have 08:31 experienced, make sense as far the mechanisms 08:35 and we used it with, with efficacy. 08:38 No, I haven't seen a lot of studies on it. I do know 08:41 there was a physical therapy unit that did a little bit of 08:44 research into it and they claimed they couldn't find 08:47 anything in the current literature. 08:49 Although we're a bit limited in that our current 08:52 literature that will shop on a computer, it's just 08:54 in the last forty years, we've basically lost 08:56 everything prior to that and that's when they would 08:58 have been doing more research on hydrotherapy. 09:01 Now, this is a fascinating topic because as we speak 09:04 about natural remedies. The culture of America 09:09 at least for many years was really set against 09:12 natural remedies, all of the funding for research was 09:16 largely coming from powerful commercial interest and 09:21 you know, need we say, we could identify certain 09:26 sectors of the commercial landscape in America or 09:30 the world, but it's not just the drug companies. 09:34 Right, you know, we could write a grant for the water 09:38 company to fund us for a hydrotherapy, but I've a 09:41 feeling they don't have quite the financial backing 09:44 of the drug companies. Yeah, but when you talk about 09:47 diet things, okay they are vested interest in certain 09:49 segments of the dietary remedies, it's usually the 09:53 people with the most money, not the fruit 09:54 and vegetable growers. Right. 09:56 So, there are these powerful commercial interests 09:59 that are influencing which research is done. 10:02 Yes. What research is funded. 10:04 Right. And, so as a result to 10:05 landscape when we look at evidence based medicine is 10:09 largely shaped by these interests or it's the 10:12 medical device manufacturers. Yes, exactly. 10:16 Now you told me an interesting story once about 10:19 this whole subject of evidence based medicine 10:21 and how, even back in medical school, you were 10:23 given an assignment where you had to look into this. 10:26 Yeah. Tell us what you've learned. 10:27 Yeah, one of my assignments was to do a little talk 10:30 on evidence based medicine and the idea being that 10:34 I would come out with this discussion of how 10:37 everybody needed to follow the literature perfectly 10:39 or be a bad doctor. So, I went and looked into 10:42 the biostatistics behind evidence based medicine 10:45 and there was a group who had gone through the 10:47 literature, looked at something like 14000 articles 10:51 and discovered that 40% of them didn't know 10:53 what they were doing on biostatistics. 10:55 So, these were statisticians that were looking over the 10:57 shoulders of the medical researchers. 10:58 That's right, yes, statisticians out of Boston, 11:02 and so the evidence was against the evidence 11:05 based medicine, what's more, they discovered that if a 11:08 research group had negative results. 11:11 The results didn't necessary support their hypothesis, 11:13 even though those results if published would help 11:16 guide medicine, they never published it. 11:18 Umm! Umm! And, so that's a large 11:20 majority of literature that never makes it 11:22 to the printed page. Yeah, so we talk 11:25 about this so called publication bias. 11:27 Yes. And, so if someone is 11:28 studying a drug, if the drug shows no benefit, they are 11:31 not likely to actually publish that data. 11:33 Right. But, if the drug shows 11:35 benefit in a particular study that'll hit the press. 11:38 Yes. What a lot of lay people 11:41 don't realize is that statistics is not in all or 11:46 known phenomenon, in medical circles we say, 11:50 if there is a one in twenty chance or less of something 11:54 just occurring by the flip of a coin then this is 11:58 statistically significant, that's usually the criteria 12:02 that we use in medical research studies. So, John 12:05 let's paint a scenario here now, we're being a bit 12:08 cynical here just to make our point. 12:09 Yeah. But let's say I come out 12:11 with a new drug. Umm! Umm! 12:12 And, I can say, it's a drug to treat heart disease 12:16 patients after having a heart attack. 12:18 Yes. And, I say this is the 12:19 you know, million dollar market, billion dollar market 12:22 whatever and so I do 50 studies. 12:25 Umm! Umm! 47 of them show absolutely no 12:29 benefit, some show people get worse in those 47 studies. 12:33 Umm! Umm! But out of those 50 studies 12:34 three show they get better. Now, if you use this, the 12:38 standard rules of statistics you would say, well this 12:42 it doesn't look like anything, it's just by luck 12:44 of the draw, but if I just publish those three studies. 12:47 Yeah. It looks like, 12:49 there was an impressive finding. 12:50 Yeah. Now, does that, I mean 12:53 again, this is a really extra making something 12:56 ridiculously extreme, but does things like this 12:58 happen in the drug research literature. 13:00 Oh! Yeah, you bet. Or worst yet though, hire a university 13:06 to produce a good research or research and they will 13:12 set the parameters they are looking for as being specific 13:17 to their drug, but they aren't parameters 13:19 anybody else would really be interested in. 13:21 And, then they'll find statistical significance on 13:24 those parameters which really don't tell you that the drug 13:27 is gonna help people. Now, we don't want anyone 13:30 tuning in today to think that we're, we're saying 13:33 there is never a place for medication, we would 13:35 never recommend surgery, that's not the message that 13:38 we are trying to give today. But the point that were 13:40 trying to communicate is many doctors today are 13:45 being educated that there has to be solid evidence, 13:47 huge studies before we should used any approach 13:51 as far as treatment. What we are saying is, 13:53 once you take the step, you start excluding many 13:57 of the most promising strategies, strategies that 13:59 haven't under gone this "vigorous approach, 14:03 because it often takes millions or billions of 14:05 dollars to research some of these things. 14:08 So, Dr. Clark how can we intelligently then, in this 14:12 frame work use natural therapies, I mean people 14:16 aren't out there necessarily studying these things in the 14:19 detail that they are the latest drug or surgery. 14:23 Yeah. You know, that's a challenge for somebody and 14:27 one other things about natural remedies is that it's 14:30 gotten bog down in a lot of commercialism also. 14:33 Umm! And, somebody was asking me 14:35 the other day about this author and that author, 14:38 and that book, and that television show 14:39 and how would they know, and one other things I told 14:42 them was, well if their research is trying to 14:45 support the product they have for sale. 14:49 You might want to look for somebody that 14:50 researched it and had no buyers or interest. 14:53 Now, this is a very, very important concept, 14:56 much of what's being purported as far as good 15:00 natural remedies research is just as blatantly 15:04 commercial or even more so than what we're seeing 15:06 coming out in the medical literature. 15:08 Yes. And we don't want to give 15:10 impression that anything out in the medical literature 15:13 skew you can't depend on any of the studies, but 15:15 what we're saying is it's not as cut and dried as 15:18 sometimes doctors want it make out to be, even when 15:21 a study, a good study is done. You always have to ask 15:25 who was the group that was being studied. You know 15:28 Dr. Clark, let's say a study comes out saying that 15:32 physicians who take Acetaminophen, you know 15:36 Tylenol or some other Anti-Inflammatory drug. 15:40 They take it every day they live 10 years longer. 15:43 Lets say it's a good study in this population of 15:45 physicians that we study. You're a physician right. 15:46 Yes. So you being a physician, 15:49 you see this data come out, you're gonna immediately 15:51 start taking Tylenol every day right? 15:55 Well, actually I would not. Now why is that? I mean if 15:58 the data is good, if it's good, clean science, 16:00 why would you not do that. I would question the data, 16:03 recently there's been a number of articles 16:05 coming out to show that drinking helps heart disease. 16:08 Well actually, you know the the bombs that hit 16:10 Hiroshima helped heart disease. 16:12 People died of something else and sometimes you have 16:15 to look and see if there is research you know showing 16:17 that people live longer, they probably feed 16:20 Acetaminophen or Tylenol to people they already 16:23 suspected would live longer. You know there always a 16:25 bias there to how they set up the study. 16:27 Okay, well you know you've touched on a number of things 16:30 I think we got to be very careful with some of our 16:32 analogies and I'm glad you're holding me to task 16:35 on this show as well as I'm in your case, 16:38 but you made this association with moderate drinking 16:41 and I'll tell you my understanding of the 16:43 literature and you tell me if I am saying it 16:45 the same way, I probably would not use the illustration 16:48 with people dying from other causes, because 16:51 I haven't seen that data in the moderate drinking 16:53 literature. But what I have seen is this, given an 16:56 excellent case, you may be aware of this and that is the 16:59 Oxford vegetarian study. When they looked at 17:02 people on a healthy lifestyle, healthy diet, 17:05 they looked at their moderate alcohol consumption. 17:07 They find it did not do them a wit of good, as far as 17:10 decreasing their risk of heart disease. So I believe 17:14 there are healthy compounds in alcoholic beverages, 17:16 they were in the plants to begin with. 17:18 So someone who is deficient on Fido chemicals, 17:22 you know drinking some wine may give them some benefit 17:25 as far as their heart. I don't have a problem 17:26 saying that, but I would also say that there are lots 17:31 of problems we know connected with alcohol use. 17:33 And I would say you're much better off eating the 17:35 whole fruits and vegetables that the Lord provide. 17:37 I mean that's my take on that subject and since 17:39 you've mentioned it. I'm kind of curious, 17:41 I mean how do you stand when it comes to 17:43 moderate drinking. You know the moderate drinker 17:46 is fairly a rare person actually. They're different, 17:51 the moderate drinker who has the self control 17:54 perhaps to stop at one or two drinks. 17:57 Is often, often more highly educated, they have other 18:01 health benefits from exercise and other lifestyle issues 18:05 that help them and so there is actually sort of a 18:07 J-curve, you know low income people who drink 18:10 a little bit or none. Also have poor lifestyle 18:13 problems and so they start as almost the Placebo group 18:17 that are not that healthy and then you have the 18:19 moderate drinkers who are a little bit or more healthy 18:22 just because of their lifestyles. 18:24 And then you have the drunks that get sick from everything 18:27 are at the other end of the curve. 18:28 And so they pick on this middle group of people 18:31 who are moderate drinkers, whose lifestyle would 18:34 predict that they would be healthier anyway. 18:36 And so it's often not a good group to compare to, 18:39 so I don't believe the studies that you know and 18:43 if you took the alcohol away from the Bioflavonoids 18:46 and the, you know things that are great to begin 18:48 with. You wouldn't find a benefit. 18:50 You know it's interesting, you're really speaking about 18:53 a subject that in statistics we called confounding and 18:56 that means there is often factors that the researchers 18:59 could not take into account or did not take into account 19:01 that actually explain the results. And you're 19:03 exactly right Dr. Clark, I know in some of the alcohol 19:06 literature this is actually what's found, that they 19:08 actually look back at some of these studies and 19:11 they say no, it wasn't the moderate drinking. 19:13 It was being more educated, it was other things that 19:16 likely were not measured that we know that 19:19 co-relate with better health. Yeah. 19:21 So, I mean this is a fascinating issue and 19:24 you know, maybe, maybe some of the folks tuning 19:27 in today are not catching the significance of this. 19:29 But, whenever there is something out there in 19:31 the media, if you're hearing things coming across the 19:34 television waves, you're reading about them, 19:36 you're listing to them on the radio. Who are more 19:39 likely to follow those things, it's the 19:40 educated people. And so if there is this perception, 19:43 right Dr. Clark, in society that milk is good for you. 19:46 Who do you think is drinking more milk. 19:48 Yeah the educated readers. That's right. 19:50 Yeah. How was it, before we had 19:53 all the data about hormone replacement therapy 19:57 and being harmful in many ways, which women were 20:00 more likely to take Estrogen and Progesterone 20:02 after menopause. Oh! Doctor's wives. 20:05 That's right, doctor's wives, educated women, 20:07 women who were living healthy in many 20:11 other respects. So what happens in that scenario. 20:14 When they study these women, they have much better health. 20:17 They look, those taking Estrogen and Progesterone, 20:19 they're getting all of these benefits. Let's say 20:21 Alzheimer's, less heart disease, 20:23 less cancer. Less cancer, I know I wouldn't 20:26 go that far, but the point was there was always 20:29 exciting data coming out and then when they did the 20:32 definitive research, what did they find? 20:34 They found out that they had to stop the studies. 20:37 The people in the treatment group getting the hormone 20:39 replacement were having some much cancer they felt 20:41 it was unethical to continue the studies. 20:44 You know it's amazing what happens when we just 20:47 look at data without having any other filter beside the 20:51 medical community. I was fascinated Dr. Clark but 20:54 something you shared with me once and I know you're 20:57 prepared to share it here. You told me there was a 21:00 guiding statement that you've read once and you have 21:02 read many times since no doubt, that really 21:05 focused your mind on leveling the playing field. 21:09 Not being just dependent on the secular researchers 21:12 and commercial interest, but share with our viewers 21:16 today this statement that is so significant for you. 21:19 Thank you, I sure will and I'll just read here the 21:23 only hope of better things is in the education of the 21:27 people in right principles. Let physicians teach the 21:32 people that restorative power is not in drugs, 21:35 but in nature. Disease is an effort of nature to free the 21:40 system from conditions that result from a violation 21:43 of the laws of health. In the case of sickness, 21:46 the cause should be ascertained, unhealthful 21:49 conditions should be changed, wrong habits corrected. 21:52 Then nature is to be assisted in her effort to 21:56 expel impurities and to establish right conditions 22:00 in the system. Now, I mean if someone 22:02 had never heard that before, it may sound, I don't know 22:07 even kind of antiquated, the languages used, 22:10 is this something that just came out in a 22:11 medical journal, I mean obviously if it's impacted 22:13 your practice it must be something that's been out 22:15 there for a while. It's been there for a while, 22:17 I think it was written before I was born, 22:19 perhaps a 100 years. And of course we 22:21 both know the source. Yes. 22:23 It's a little book called ministry of healing and 22:26 really though the statements there, although some of us 22:28 would say as we looked through not just that 22:30 statement but this whole book, Ministry of Healing, 22:33 if you're not familiar with it. It's a book that 22:35 was published many years ago as Dr. Clark mentioned. 22:38 That I have found as a physician compellingly 22:41 accurate when it comes to medical conspectus and I'm 22:44 assuming if you're using this as a guiding light, 22:46 it's been true for you Dr. Clark 22:48 Definitely true. It was this book that many 22:51 of our viewers may realize labeled tobacco as a 22:57 insidious and most malignant poison, long before the 23:02 connection between smoking and cancer was ever 23:05 nailed down. Yeah, back when physicians 23:07 were prescribing tobacco for asthma. 23:11 So this statement here is saying that restorative 23:14 power is not in drugs. Now, are we saying that 23:18 there is never a case where medication could 23:20 give a person benefit? No, we're not saying that. 23:24 But we are saying that it's not the vital power that you 23:27 are gonna get from the drugs. 23:29 You need to look to another source. 23:31 Okay so basically a drug could be used in a context 23:35 where that drug has physiologic effects that 23:38 actually help a person, we're in agreement in that. 23:40 And often times we find herbs are the source of drugs. 23:44 Okay. We all tend to think of 23:46 herbs as being very helpful. Although there are some 23:48 poisonous herbs. Okay. So there are drugs 23:51 out there that can give benefit and yet you're 23:52 saying that you believe this concept that restorative 23:56 power is not in drugs. I mean, how do you 24:00 explain that. If a drug, if I take an antibiotic 24:04 and I have got a strep throat. 24:06 And the strep throat goes away. I mean most 24:08 people would say, well that drug has restorative power, 24:11 it restored me from a condition of strep throat 24:15 to a condition of no strep throat. 24:17 That's right and then often times people go 24:19 around singing the praises of the antibiotic. 24:22 When in reality if you had no immune system, 24:26 as we've had a few people in history this way. 24:29 If you had no immune system, taking an antibiotic would 24:31 do nothing for you. Okay. 24:33 The antibiotic merely weaken cells, hopefully 24:36 mostly the bacterial cells, but it weakens the cells 24:40 so your body can attack that cell and kill it. 24:43 But often times it leaves you with some weakness as well. 24:47 Especially in your own good bacteria, such as 24:51 need to be in your gut. Yes, I mean this is an 24:53 important concept. So basically what we're 24:56 saying is, we're not saying that there is never a place 24:58 for medication, that you can't use drug therapy. 25:02 But what we're saying is when I look at natural therapies, 25:06 many of them have less side effects, less toxicities 25:10 then the pharmacological agents, most people would 25:13 readily probably ascend to the idea that it would be 25:17 nice to avoid surgery if you didn't need it. Right. 25:19 Right. I mean as an orthopedic 25:20 surgeon did most patients come to you hoping that 25:23 they would need surgery or trying to avoid it, 25:26 or is it kind of a mix. Well, we worry about the 25:28 ones that think they need it all the time. 25:31 No, most of them want to avoid it. 25:33 Okay so, so basically I think most people resonate 25:36 with this concept. And so when the studies 25:39 come out, do we look at it at the beginning. 25:40 Problems with patient compliance, problems with 25:43 doctor's compliance. What the issue is doctors, 25:46 I think. Many of us are saying, 25:48 well! I am not sure that I want to give every single 25:51 patient this drug even though it helps certain 25:54 people with this condition. Did you think that's part 25:55 of the dynamic that's going on, or you think us as 25:57 physicians we just don't know the literature out there. 26:00 No, I think you're right and I think that's part 26:02 of the dynamic. One other thing I was just thinking 26:05 about your strep throat there. The patient 26:07 that always takes the antibiotic to cure the 26:09 strep throat will eventually have to have the antibiotic 26:13 to cure the strep throat. Where as initially they 26:16 might have been able to treat it without the antibiotic. 26:18 Because you're saying their flora, their natural 26:20 good germs are so disrupted, is that the implication. 26:23 Yes and because their immune system is 26:25 weakened by the antibiotic. 26:27 So, they are not making antibodies against invaders 26:30 because they're letting the antibodies do the dirty work, 26:32 is that what you're saying is going on. 26:34 Yes. Okay, so it's not always bad 26:37 to fight off an infection. Right, if your body can 26:40 fight off the infection itself with hydrotherapy 26:43 with nature remedies with charcoal and so forth, 26:46 then the next time the bug comes around it has a memory. 26:49 It has learned how to fight that antibiotic 26:51 and it will be. Fight the germ. 26:53 Fight the germ. Sorry, yes, fight the germ. 26:55 And it will be more prepared to do the next time. 26:59 So basic what we're saying is one way to 27:01 kind of level the field when it comes to research. 27:04 Is actually recognizing that we may need to take a 27:07 a different approach, a different look 27:09 at scientific research. We do want a keep close 27:13 to what is sound science. We do want to be aware 27:16 of what's being published in the medical literature, 27:18 but we want to recognize that many physicians as was 27:21 many patients are having second thoughts about just 27:25 really newly applying the "latest research when it 27:28 points us to more surgery or more drug medications. 27:32 I think it's well to remember that God gave us 27:36 a program of lifestyles, we study the scriptures, 27:39 he does not just tell that he loves us. 27:41 He does not just tell us that we have a savior in Jesus, 27:44 but many times we read there that God gives us 27:47 moral imperatives. He calls us to live in a certain way, 27:50 read Paul's letters, after assuring his listeners, 27:54 his audience if you will. That what he is talking 27:57 about is the wonderful grace of God, free salvation 28:00 of Christ. He says then, go do this. As you learned 28:04 simple natural things, put them 28:06 into practice and God will bless. |
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