Participants: Allan Handysides, Stoy Proctor
Series Code: WM
Program Code: WM000347
00:01 The following program presents principles
00:03 designed to promote good health 00:05 and is not intended to take the place 00:06 of personalized professional care. 00:09 The opinions and ideas expressed are those 00:11 of the speaker. Viewers are encouraged 00:13 to draw their own conclusions 00:15 about the information presented. 00:35 Welcome to our program today. 00:37 We are so pleased that we can be with you. 00:40 We are indeed most wonderfully made. 00:44 As we live in our bodies and we live our lives 00:48 we find that we sometimes have difficulties. 00:52 And today we are going to be talking about 00:54 a difficulty that has affected probably 00:56 four out of five Americans at least 01:00 in their life time. It's a disorder that 01:03 has caused people to expend billions not just 01:07 millions but billions of dollars in health care 01:10 whether they have had to pay that for paying 01:12 medication or to see their physicians to see 01:15 their chiropractors, health care providers, 01:18 physical therapists. Billions of dollars are 01:21 expended on the topic we are going to discuss today. 01:25 It is a pity that we do have to suffer sometime 01:28 from back pain. With me today I have 01:32 Stoy Proctor who is personally acquainted 01:36 with back pain but he has a success story 01:40 to bring to us. And are hoping that as 01:43 we have our discussion and we discuss the ways 01:46 and means to improve and alleviate back pain. 01:49 You will benefit and be able to apply some of 01:53 these lessons in your own life. 01:55 Stoy, I would like to welcome you to the 01:58 program today. Good to be here. 01:59 Thank you. Stoy could you describe back pain? 02:05 I could my own back pain but I will tell 02:07 you if someone who has had it, 02:09 it's a little difficult to explain yet it's 02:12 you know when you have it. 02:13 There is no question about that. 02:15 It's a pain that usually occurs in the lower part 02:18 of the back maybe the lower part of the after 02:21 the ribs and before the legs top of the legs 02:24 in the lumbar section that's the last 02:27 part of the spine. That's where it starts 02:29 hurting and that's the problem but that's 02:31 not where it stops. You maybe, you maybe 02:34 hurting the and the pain maybe extending 02:37 down your legs it makes you like a headache 02:40 feel bad all over. So if you've had it you know 02:44 you've had it and you don't need a definition 02:46 nor description of its pain. But unfortunately 02:50 I found some ways to not only alleviate my pain 02:54 but really almost eliminate it and 03:00 but as a physician Allan I would like to ask 03:03 you that maybe give us a description of the 03:06 lower spine. And what the potential is for 03:12 problems in that particular area as 03:13 we get older especially? Well, you know our 03:16 vertebral column and that's what we name 03:19 this spinal column. The vertebral column 03:22 it carries more than one function. 03:25 First of all it supports our body and gives us 03:28 the ability to walk erect, to balance 03:32 and it so it has to be flexible 03:34 it has to be able to move. 03:36 Secondly, it is a protective canal that 03:40 protects the nerve of the chief spinal cord 03:43 that is running out of the brain and protects 03:46 those nerve cables that come out of the lower 03:49 end of the spinal column, the spinal cord. 03:54 Now because of those two functions sometimes 03:57 you get a problem between the two of them. 04:00 So if we were to take a single vertebrae, 04:03 which is the single bone. And there are many bones, 04:06 seven in the neck, twelve in the thorax, 04:08 five in the lumbar spine. And then as we go down 04:11 to the sacrum we will find five fused bones. 04:14 And the little coccyx which is just protecting 04:17 the lower portion of the pelvis that 04:19 has a fusion of, in a kid we call that the tailbone. 04:21 Yeah the tailbone and that's exactly right, 04:24 it has three bones that are fused together 04:26 usually there. As we look at this spinal cord 04:29 the problems that are classically seen are 04:33 either in the neck or as you have said 04:35 in the lumbosacral area. Now there are two sorts 04:40 of problems between the vertebral bodies 04:44 of the bony supports there are little cushions. 04:48 These cushions contain a little dense nodule 04:52 of cartilage which acts when we run 04:55 or when we jump that's where we will get 04:57 a little flexibility in our spine, little spongy. 05:00 It's held in place by a circular ring of fibrous 05:04 tissue but sometimes it bulges or protrudes 05:09 or as your doctor may say herniates. 05:12 And if it does that and it presses on a nerve that 05:17 is coming from the back side of the 05:20 support column, it will then cause very severe 05:24 pain both locally and radiating. 05:27 So you'll feel the pain in the area that the 05:30 nerve is distributing now that type of pain 05:33 is made worst when you bent forward. 05:38 There is another sort of the pain that people 05:39 can have in their back or another source 05:41 of pain that people can have in their back. 05:42 And that is arthritis, now it's not 05:46 rheumatoid arthritis and we will talk about 05:49 arthritis in a future program. 05:51 But the pain of the osteoarthritis can also be 05:59 appreciated and an individual who bends 06:01 backwards. So when the person who bends 06:03 backwards and gets pain that is usually because 06:07 of the arthritis in the small joints of the 06:11 posterior position and there are many little 06:13 joints there. And on these little surfaces 06:15 they may become roughening or erroneous 06:18 because of wear and tear. And so we find that 06:22 there are two sorts of pains. 06:23 We have the joint pain or the articular pain 06:26 or we have the nerve compression pain 06:29 that comes from the prolapsing of the nucleus. 06:33 So we have two types, two major types of causes 06:37 for this pain. That's right and the back of 06:41 course you know is different in humans from 06:45 other animals, most animals are walking 06:47 on forelimbs, we are walking on two limbs. 06:51 And so we are transmitting the forces 06:54 of the gravity up the spine where of course 06:58 the forces of gravity in an animal are usually 07:01 transmitted across the spine. 07:04 And so some of our problems are related 07:07 to the fact that we do walk erectly 07:10 and we stand tall we hope. So we better 07:13 if we walked on arm for rest. I don't think so, 07:15 no, no, I am not saying that but I am just 07:18 distinguishing the differences between 07:20 as we find in other. The weight, oh the 07:21 gravitational weight. And the forces that 07:23 are applied to the spine. Now there's some other, 07:27 there's some other causes, you have 07:28 mentioned two major causes but there's another 07:31 you know lifestyle causes that might contribute 07:35 to back pain. Like I am thinking of weak muscles. 07:41 Yes. Is that a, is that a problem? 07:44 Well, I think that in a society such as we have 07:47 in North America, very often we live a 07:50 sedentary lifestyle. So sedentary lives. 07:53 And that means that we don't strengthen 07:56 our backs and our exercise is not good. 07:58 Many times we are sitting at a desk I mean 08:00 if you seeing us sitting on the stools 08:02 and then we, you know, we tend to stoop 08:05 a little bit, to slump a little bit. 08:06 I know being a student for I must have studied 08:09 for may be 14-16 years of studying. 08:12 Bent over the desk that tends to make 08:15 you become stooped and your muscles 08:18 don't get the workout that they really need. 08:22 In Africa, when I was in Africa I wouldn't see 08:25 the complaints of back pain nearly as commonly 08:28 because many Africans were very physically 08:32 active and mobile and so there muscles 08:36 were much stronger, and that's very 08:39 important thing. The other thing is 08:41 of course 60% of North Americans are obese. 08:46 And if you have ever watched a pregnant lady, 08:50 I have watched many pregnant ladies being 08:52 an Obstetrician. They would walk into my office 08:54 with what I used to call the proud gate 08:57 of pregnancy. Leaning back a little, 09:00 putting her shoulders back the tummy of course 09:02 is protruding with a gravid uterus, 09:05 they got all the contents of the fluid 09:06 in the placenta, and the baby in there. 09:08 And so they would walk back and they were 09:10 really not proud. But the balance. 09:12 They were getting trying to get the balance. 09:13 They were trying to get balance, now you put 09:15 obesity there, you know if somebody has a big 09:17 beer belly or sometimes it's not a beer belly 09:20 it just sometimes a bread belly you know. 09:22 Or it just sometimes any kind of belly that shows 09:25 they are eating, eating too many of calories. 09:26 Yes, people who are like that they can have 09:28 back pain. Women too can have back pain 09:30 from obesity associated with large breasts 09:35 and they will often get an upper back pain 09:38 or shoulder pain from that. 09:40 So there are many different. 09:41 There are some others too contributing to sports. 09:43 What part of sports play in this type of pain? 09:49 There is a difference between a sport 09:54 in general and exercise in general. 09:56 Of course, you want exercise just to play 09:58 a sport well but many sports are 10:01 competitive sports. And contact sports. 10:03 And contact sports. And really we pay an 10:07 awful price. I saw a young man walking 10:10 through the office just the other day 10:12 and I said to him my goodness have you hurt 10:13 yourself, you got a limp. He said I have had 10:16 a knee replacement but I said. Young man? 10:18 Young man, I said how old are you? 10:20 He said, I am only 45. I said that is dreadful, 10:23 you must have played sports. 10:24 He said yes he played a lot of sport. 10:27 And you the tackling the contact it causes 10:30 damage. And yes injuries sustain to the back. 10:33 In fact, nurses in particular have a lot 10:37 of back problems because they often 10:39 lifting patients, and, so improper lifting. 10:42 Improper lifting, we will talk about that 10:44 little later. We will talk about that little later. 10:45 Now, you know what amaze me as I was preparing 10:49 for this program tobacco, how does tobacco 10:53 play in this? I am not quite sure how tobacco 10:58 plays in this but it does play. I have not a 11:01 slightest doubt that people who smoke have 11:04 worst spectrum. It seems as those the coughing 11:07 maybe throws there back out sometimes. 11:09 Another reason that they maybe have 11:12 it is because of the osteoporosis we know 11:15 that there is a loss of bone in the people 11:17 who smoke. And so it maybe that their bones 11:20 are not as strong but coughing and most 11:23 smokers have a chronic cough seems to 11:25 exacerbate the back pain. Anything to do with 11:28 lack of circulation because tobacco 11:30 constricts, restricts circulation? 11:32 Well, of course once imagination can go wildest 11:34 to what it could be but I really don't matter. 11:36 Anyway we just know that appear that's one thing 11:39 you shouldn't be doing if you want to avoid 11:41 the back pain. Now alright let's suppose a person 11:45 has back pain when do I know to go 11:49 see my physician? Most back pain that 11:54 is of significance is either severe enough 11:58 or chronic enough that you begin to say you 12:01 wanna do it. I mean just think about yourself 12:03 you had back pain. I actually stood it 12:06 as long as I could. Yes and what did you do? 12:08 And after few days then I said look it's not 12:10 getting any better so I have got to do 12:12 something so I want to see a doctor. 12:14 And I believe you gave him an ultimatum. 12:16 Well, that was my second doctor, oh I see. 12:19 The first doctor was a regular physician, 12:21 and that's what can you do for me? 12:23 Well you use some painkiller. 12:24 Well I tried that for a few days and that 12:27 didn't help and mean it you know 12:28 it helped reliving the pain but as soon as the, 12:31 wore off I still had the problem yet, 12:33 I said well I have heard of doctors of osteopathy. 12:37 That they I heard that they may, 12:39 I was a little concerned about a chiropractic 12:42 so I said well I was to go to the doctor 12:43 of osteopathy and see what they will say. 12:47 And this was not my first episode I had you know 12:51 pain last maybe my pain last for a few days 12:55 to a few weeks. And finally I get over 12:58 it but then I couldn't come back again. 13:01 And it was getting really disgusting. 13:03 Because I didn't think anything was structurally 13:06 wrong a herniated disc or pinched nerve 13:10 or something like that. I just knew I was hurt it, 13:12 in fact it got so bad that I that I would have 13:14 to lay right flat on the floor and I will go 13:17 into that just in minute what some of these. 13:18 You won't lie on the floor here. 13:19 No, I won't lie on the floor here but I have 13:21 to lay on the floor. And then he would take me 13:22 maybe an hour get up off the floor when I need 13:25 to get up. And how old are you? 13:27 I was about eighteen. Oh, my goodness! 13:29 And so I went to this doctor, who is a DO 13:33 and I said you know I have been struggling 13:36 with this long enough. I am going to give you 13:39 on treatment one of his visit to help me 13:43 and we can't I think, I am gonna have to go 13:44 with surgery. He says well I don't know I can't 13:49 promise you but I think I can help you. 13:51 So he stretched my muscles little bit 13:54 and then pulled rather my back little bit 13:56 is it alright I have done my part now you gotta 13:59 do your part. Your part is follow these exercises 14:03 do them several times a week maybe at 14:05 beginnings a couple of times a day several times 14:07 a week and in a month or so you are gonna be 14:10 strengthening your muscles enough. 14:12 So that you're, you're not gonna have to come 14:13 and see me again. You were very fortunate 14:16 to go to your physician, yes, who recognized 14:19 the route cause. Rather then just a symptom, 14:22 rather then just giving you I mean 14:23 he couldn't give you all kinds of medications. 14:25 Oh! Yeah in fact the first one did. 14:27 Yeah but you saw somebody who was able 14:30 to say let's look at the route cause 14:32 of this pain and let's address the route 14:35 cause by addressing the route cause he was able 14:37 to give you some good support. 14:40 Now there are some unusual conditions 14:43 and you know not normal conditions 14:45 why that cause back pain too. 14:47 And when we have it we may need to go see 14:51 a doctor what are some of those? 14:52 Well you know there are some serious 14:54 conditions that can cause back pain. 14:56 Beside exercise lack of exercise besides arthritis, 14:59 besides posture and some of those. 15:01 We are talking about here, we are talking about 15:04 forms of back pain that are common. 15:10 But if you've had a history of cancer then 15:13 it would be necessary for you to have your 15:16 back carefully checked and even with some 15:19 investigations because you would want to be 15:21 sure you didn't have maybe as secondary cancer 15:26 or metastasis in the spine. If you've had 15:29 an injury it's very important to check out 15:32 that there hasn't been a broken bone there. 15:35 Some times there are congenital problems 15:37 people can be born with the defective spinal 15:42 structures so that the spine may have slipped 15:46 forward on itself it's a condition called 15:47 spondylolisthesis. Sometimes back pain 15:54 is a result of an injury that may have not been 15:59 noted as being too major. My wife has had 16:02 a lot of trouble when she was a child 16:04 she was tobogganing and the toboggan went down 16:07 it seemed to me like it was going over about 16:09 a 90 degree angle and then there was a perfect 16:12 drop right on to the tip of spine. 16:14 And she has had pain in the coccyx which we call 16:17 coccydynia ever since. So you need to be seen 16:22 for that a sudden acute onset of the pain 16:25 that come suddenly may mean that something 16:27 sudden has happened to the spine. 16:30 So there are many reasons and we would 16:33 recommend very highly that a person with 16:35 chronic or severe back pain should be checked 16:38 by a competent physician, in fact 16:41 probably somebody who specializes in back pain. 16:44 Now what would they do how would they besides 16:47 just looking at you and listening to you, 16:49 complain about all that pain? What could they do 16:52 to sort a look into your back and see what 16:54 is really going on? It might depend on who you got 16:56 to see you know years ago when I was working 17:01 with a back pain specialist in Toronto 17:04 we would do ordinary plain x rays because 17:07 that was the best we had. And we sometimes 17:10 we would look at them and imagine 17:12 or see things on those plain films but to look 17:15 at the spine and come up with a very concrete 17:17 diagnosis is not an easy task. 17:20 Now chiropractors tend to use a lot of x rays. 17:23 And in so doing, they maybe give lot of 17:27 radiation to the back. Today with MRI's 17:33 it's possible to very, very clearly delineate 17:37 the spinal column, and the spinal cord 17:42 and to be able visualize and view many 17:45 of the foramina. Now those are the little holes 17:47 through which the nerves go. 17:49 And to make a very precise diagnosis 17:53 so today depending up on just the nature 17:57 and severity of your pain, the doctors first 17:59 they are going to take a history, 18:00 the history and the follow it with a 18:03 physical examination. He's going to see if when 18:06 he lift you lie down to and he lifts your leg 18:08 if there's a stretching of this sciatic nerve 18:10 if that causes pain. Because as you stretch 18:13 that nerve over maybe a protruding disc 18:15 it will give pain. He may want to know whether 18:19 the pain is when you bend backwards 18:20 when you bend forwards, he looks to see if there 18:24 is muscle spasm because a lot of back pain 18:26 is muscle spasm. A lot of the pain of back pain 18:29 is muscle spasm and that where chiropractic 18:31 or manipulation may very well help that 18:34 muscle spasm. How long if spasm is a problem 18:38 what about muscles relaxants? 18:40 Well they may work but again on the short term 18:44 medication for back pain is really not my first 18:48 choice I would prefer that something more 18:51 definitive be done then just trying to cover 18:53 the pain. Now let we talk about some other 18:55 area that's people have chronic back pain 18:58 that means they have almost continual back pain. 19:00 Now they start out with thyronol, aspirin 19:02 or something like that then they may go to 19:04 the muscle relaxant and then they graduate 19:08 till they are real serious pain medication 19:11 what are some of those and what are the dangers 19:14 of getting addicted? First of all we have 19:16 to understand back pain is a real problem, 19:19 it's really a major problem. 19:22 And people who have a severe pain do look 19:26 for a relief from that pain. 19:27 And when they start getting on to 19:29 the codeinones and the codeines. 19:31 And maybe even the more potent pain relievers 19:34 you know you they are gone to the percocets 19:36 and ended up to the, maybe even opioids 19:39 morphine, there's a real risk of addiction. 19:42 So physicians are very aware of these 19:45 and sometimes patients shot from one physician 19:48 to another. We need to be very careful. 19:50 They are varying prescriptions for more 19:51 than one. More than one, we need to be very 19:52 careful, yes this is where people need to be 19:56 aware of. Alright what about if you really 19:59 have a serious structural problem what 20:01 about surgery? When then how do we know 20:03 that we need a surgery? If there is a 20:06 definitive lesion, if you can find a degenerative 20:11 disc that some people call it or a prolapsing 20:13 of that disc that is compressing a nerve. 20:17 Maybe surgery can remove that 20:21 but there is a lot of surgery that is done 20:23 that doesn't result in benefit so it's a very 20:27 tricky question you have to have somebody 20:28 who is highly competent and whom you really 20:31 trust when you are thinking about surgery. 20:33 Some of the surgery is not reconstructive 20:36 but relatively destructive and that they may 20:39 need to fuse a segment so it just doesn't move 20:43 or bent so that there won't be pain in that zone. 20:47 But when you do that you actually diminish 20:50 the natural function. So surgery has a definite 20:53 place for intractable pain that's pain that 20:56 people can't cope with. And that there is a 20:58 specific lesion for but sometimes the surgery 21:03 is done when it would be better not to have 21:05 been done. That's good, you know I in my own 21:08 case I did need to go into use pains, 21:12 pain medication very long because of this doctor 21:15 who has given me these exercises. 21:17 And you know there are a number of things 21:19 we can do to relieve this pain. 21:21 Perhaps you share with us what the exercise 21:23 were because I think it's good for the 21:24 viewers to see. First of all you know many times 21:27 laying flat on the back on the floor on a rug 21:30 on a carpet or something like that 21:31 will give you pain. But some of the simple 21:34 exercises I wish we can demonstrate them here 21:36 but we can't. But I think I can explain them, 21:38 first of all just stretch out on your back 21:41 and then push your back here that you bottom 21:45 for you lumbar section toward just push towards 21:49 the carpet. And then raise the both legs about 21:52 three or four inches and hold it there. 21:54 The first time you do this you may not be able 21:57 to hold it very long but you will get up 21:59 and when shall you do it 4-5 times. 22:02 You will hold it, you will raise them up 4-5 inches 22:05 hold it up for 10 seconds to count of 10 then 22:08 drop and relax. Do it again for 3 or 4 times 22:10 as long as several times then you could that 22:13 a couple of times a day several times a week. 22:15 And that would begin to strengthening these 22:17 muscles and plus giving you a little relief. 22:20 Another thing you can do is to lie flat on the 22:23 back again and then leave your legs on the floor 22:26 flat on the floor but raise your shoulders up, 22:28 put your head and shoulders up just a 22:30 little bit be sure to keep the head straight 22:32 though just don't be moving the head. 22:35 But you wanna, wanna move all the that up 22:37 together if you can, now at first that's gonna be 22:40 hard to do for some people because those 22:42 muscles are weak that's why you may have 22:44 the back pain. And you don't want to be really 22:46 doing this sit ups a lot of people. 22:48 No that's too strenuous. That's too strenuous, 22:50 yes. Now the thing is to turn over on your 22:53 stomach and do basically the same thing raise 22:56 you head and shoulders together up just 22:58 a little bit up, up a little bit and hold it to 23:02 count of 5 or so and then relax and then try 23:05 that again. And the other is then pull have 23:09 your stomach and your chin on the floor. 23:11 And then raise your legs off while you are 23:15 on your stomach. This is just two very 23:18 simple exercises that will, will help. 23:22 Now the other thing we got a few minutes 23:24 left it might help to strengthening 23:27 your muscles is while we are like we are here 23:30 we can be slumped over or we can straighten 23:33 our back up. Now if you are sitting for long 23:35 periods of time just every few minutes of 23:38 self 15 to 20 minutes take it just strengthen up 23:42 and hold that for just a little bit you start 23:44 strengthen those muscles. When you are sleeping 23:47 maybe sleep on your side and into a fetal 23:51 position maybe put up pillow between your legs, 23:55 your knees so that's something you can do 23:58 while you're, while you're sleeping. 24:01 And another important thing I think is when 24:04 we are lifting objects be sure we use our knees 24:07 to lift our objects not, not the back don't bent 24:10 the back over and then pull up the object 24:13 especially if the object is maybe a foot away 24:16 from your feet. Yes. Be very careful to let the 24:20 knees do lifting. So these are things that you can 24:25 certainly do that simple things you can do that 24:28 might strengthen those muscles and give 24:30 you little relief. When we were married 24:31 my wife insisted because she had been thought 24:33 the importance of the firm bed, she insisted 24:37 that we have a hard bed. And then there maybe 24:38 some of you who are sleeping on a hard 24:41 bed because you have heard that a firm 24:43 bed is important for you. I think that 24:46 what we need to emphasis is not the 24:48 hardness of the bed it's the supportiveness 24:51 of the bed that is important. 24:53 We don't really want to have a sagging 24:57 type of hammock like bed. We bought a cottage up 25:02 in Canada I think you slept in some of those 25:04 Beds, Stoy. The beds came. It's like a hammock, 25:07 with them and the springs are like hammock. 25:09 And when you get in there, there's the bed. 25:11 And we have to take some boards in fact 25:14 I got some of those 4 by 8 boards that 25:17 we trimmed them down. And put those under 25:20 the bed to give the support but then 25:22 we would hope that the mattress 25:23 would be not sagging. That's 4 by 8 feet 25:26 doesn't it? That's right not 4 by 8 inches. 25:28 No, no not that would do really very much. 25:31 Alright. Yes that would be the feet 25:32 and of course we are cutting down to 25:33 about 6 by 3. And so that's important to 25:39 appoint to have is that your sleeping 25:41 should be good. I like the pillow soft coverings 25:44 on a nice supportive mattress because 25:46 it gives you a sensation of comfort and yet 25:50 there is the support. And of course, 25:52 so that means we probably go out 25:54 and buy a 100 dollars mattress right? 25:55 And that will give us all that support? 25:57 No 100 $ mattress won't do it. 25:59 You know when you think about how much 26:00 time you're spending in bed you going to sleep 26:03 maybe a third of your life. So if you live 26:06 for 75 years you gonna spend 25 years in bed. 26:10 And it's a very important investment. 26:12 Oh yes. To get a good bed. And they last, 26:15 and they last. They could last for 20 years maybe. 26:17 you know It was one of the things I found 26:19 and that is flexibility and strength building 26:23 exercises that has helped tremendously because 26:26 especially as we get older and you know 26:28 our range of motion, we lose that range of motion 26:33 unless we keep, unless we keep 26:34 exercising it and keep it, give it 26:36 attention to it. Very important. 26:37 So range of motion is very important in 26:39 flexibility exercises and there is lot of 26:41 flexibility exercises. Another strength building 26:45 exercise now we all know that anaerobic exercise 26:47 is very important but when we are talking 26:50 about the back flexibility and strength 26:53 are more important for back to alleviation 26:56 or prevention of back pain than aerobic exercises. 26:59 But let's not have one or the other 27:02 let's have all three. You know I worked with 27:05 the what is you heard a book called 27:07 The Back Doctor, Dr. Hamilton Hall 27:09 form Toronto. And he wrote a book on that 27:12 and he used to always emphasis strengthening 27:14 the abdominal muscles. And that's becausev 27:17 as you strengthen the abdominal muscles up 27:19 in the front you also strengthen the muscles 27:23 to the front of the spinal column. 27:26 And this way you end up with four muscles 27:30 supporting the spinal column front and back 27:33 very important. I think that we're coming 27:37 towards the end of our program so I would like 27:39 to thank you very much Stoy that you have been 27:43 able to share your own personal experience 27:45 with our viewers. Thank you. Many of the viewers 27:48 will have experienced back pain and will have 27:50 been pleased. And fortunately 27:51 I have been free of back pain for many years now. 27:53 And I can lift anything I can, I am better 27:57 now I was when I was 18. 27:58 Well, that's a wonderful testimony. 28:00 You know we are fearfully and wonderfully made 28:04 and if we will only keep good stewardship 28:08 of our bodies we can exist in very happy 28:13 and a very contended way. |
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