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Integrative Medicine

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Participants: James Marcum & Danny Miller

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00:01 The following program presents principles
00:03 designed to promote good health and is not
00:04 intended to take the place of personalized
00:06 professional care. The opinions and ideas
00:09 expressed are those of the speaker.
00:12 Viewers are encouraged to draw their own
00:13 conclusions about the information presented.
00:37 The psalmist David says praise God for
00:40 I'm fearfully and wonderfully made.
00:43 What a great Psalm to have.
00:46 I wanna welcome you to Wonderfully Made.
00:48 I'm Doctor Jim Marcum and I want to
00:49 thank you so much for inviting us into
00:52 your home to be with you,
00:53 to listen to the health message.
00:56 Today we have an interesting topic.
00:58 I'm a cardiologist; normally I don't talk
01:00 about fields outside of cardiology but today
01:03 we're gonna talk about integrative medicine.
01:06 I find this very fascinating and it's
01:08 growing by leaps and bounds across America.
01:11 And here with us to discuss
01:12 it is Mr. Daniel Miller. And I wanna thank you
01:15 for joining this Dan. Thank you Jim. Listen,
01:17 while you're here today? Tell me little bit about
01:20 Heartwise Ministries. What's that all about?
01:22 Heartwise Ministries is a ministry that has been
01:26 started as a result of the books that you
01:29 have been writing. It was founded in 2005.
01:33 And it's based on truth, biblical principles of
01:39 truth, biblical principles of health,
01:42 so and so forth, truth, love and then healing.
01:46 Heartwise Ministries is a ministry that approaches
01:52 people with the different thought process, okay.
01:55 One that does away with say guilt, so and so forth.
02:00 So it starts with truth, correct,
02:02 and truth leads to love. Now I see a lot of
02:06 people talking about love in this world.
02:08 Okay but you know talking about it and showing
02:10 love is two, two different things,
02:12 two different readings, correct.
02:13 One of my definitions of love is putting
02:16 someone else's interest about yourself, right.
02:20 Okay, and of course the opposite of love
02:21 we see is selfishness, correct.
02:23 And we see a lot of that. Now part of the
02:26 truth is not believing lies, correct.
02:29 You know, and I see that all the time in healthcare.
02:32 You know some people believe in a low fat,
02:34 high fat will work better for you,
02:36 or take this vitamin or this herb will do
02:39 better than you, right. And I also see that
02:41 damaging the body because they believe
02:42 for instance if you believe that a
02:45 cigarette was gonna get you better.
02:46 If you really believe that, that would damage you,
02:49 correct, 'cause of course the cigarette's gonna
02:51 damage you. Well you can also take these,
02:53 the health principles into the spiritual world,
02:55 right. Now can you imagine if you believed,
02:58 for instance if you believe that you
02:59 had to earn your way into heaven.
03:02 That was a perfect example and it damages,
03:05 your burnt. You know, you thought processes
03:07 and that's exactly what Heartwise Ministries
03:10 is trying to get across, a ministry that approaches
03:15 things from a very basic simple direction.
03:18 And that's, I think God wanted our healthcare
03:22 to be simple, right. And there is more to
03:24 healing than just healing a physical body.
03:27 You know healing the spiritual self is what's
03:29 happening in the mind. With that in mind
03:31 Heartwise Ministries gathers questions that
03:34 people might have from all around the world.
03:36 And if you might happen to have a question,
03:38 make sure you get your questions into us.
03:41 We're now on the web at heartwiseministries.org.
03:45 www.heartwis eministries.org.
03:48 you can send your questions and what we do
03:50 is we group them around topics
03:52 and we try to answer these questions
03:54 from a biblical perspective.
03:56 Some people around the world don't have anyone
03:58 with healthcare knowledge or background
04:00 to go to, to give them a biblical perspective.
04:03 Very good, that's very good, yes. Okay.
04:05 Let's start with the first question.
04:07 Okay, the first question is from
04:09 Anne in Tampa, Florida. Okay.
04:11 I listen to the radio a lot,
04:13 especially on Sundays. I listen to Deborah Ray
04:16 and Robert Scott Bell, okay. I usually listen,
04:21 it says loosely listen, okay.
04:25 They talk about integrative medicine.
04:27 This is very interesting. I'm not sure I know
04:31 what this is, what is your take on this?
04:33 Okay, that is a great question and because
04:36 many people now are using integrative medicine
04:41 to take care of themselves.
04:42 Another word for it is sometimes they call it
04:44 complimentary medicine or some people
04:47 call it alternative medicine.
04:49 But I'm not sure that it really is alternative
04:51 medicine Dan. And let me sort of explain
04:53 to Anne what my take is on it? Years ago
04:58 when someone was sick, and the doctor there
05:01 used to sort of minister to all their needs.
05:04 Their physical needs, their spiritual needs,
05:06 or emotional needs, usually use all sorts of
05:09 tricks of the trade, right. And there wasn't
05:11 as many trick "tricks" as a trade as
05:13 there is now, right. Now I was trained in
05:18 traditional medicine where we use a lot of
05:20 pharmaceuticals, and unfortunately many
05:23 are just trained in that discipline.
05:25 But if you think about pharmaceuticals there
05:27 and pharmaceuticals change the chemical environment
05:30 in their body. Now there's other ways that
05:33 can also change the chemical environment
05:36 in the body. Now let's think, can you think
05:37 of one that would change the chemistry
05:39 of the body Dan. I would think positive
05:41 thought process. Exactly, your thought,
05:43 your mental outlook. Your mind is a very
05:45 powerful tool for you. Right, and one
05:47 example of that is the placebo effect,
05:50 correct. You know if you believe you're
05:51 gonna get better, one in four to five will get
05:55 better. That's pretty high percentage actually.
05:57 Yeah, and that's a lot of this is you know
05:59 it might be that the medicine is working,
06:01 it's that belief that you're being healed
06:03 that's working. Correct, right. Similarly not only
06:05 placebo effects but we've also shown that
06:07 in patients that healing touches occur.
06:10 Whether you know if I touch you and you believe
06:12 in me and I say Dan you're gonna get better.
06:14 This is not a problem, it's gonna be gone tomorrow,
06:17 right. There is a powerful belief just to have that
06:19 reassurance that all of a sudden
06:21 that symptom is gone. Being told by somebody
06:23 that knows what they're talking about
06:24 that is very powerful. For instance I deal with
06:27 a lot of people with chest pain, and sometimes
06:30 I can come to them and I know beyond a shadow
06:32 of a doubt that this chest pain is not coming
06:34 from the heart. I know it's coming from stress.
06:37 But by doing a test or proving it to them
06:39 you know I can say I give them that assurance.
06:42 This you know you are assured, your chemistry
06:44 gets better when you have assurance, right.
06:47 Now so we talked, you know other ways you can
06:49 change your chemistry, you know getting back
06:51 to that, you can change your chemistry by exercise,
06:53 correct. The food you eat. How well you rest.
06:59 Your spiritual status. I think a lot of things
07:01 even down to the relationships that
07:03 you have with friends, exactly
07:05 family and so and so forth, I think they have
07:06 major impact on how you feel in your life.
07:09 So all of that you know comprises health.
07:12 So anything that changes your chemistry
07:14 can be effective by this integrative medicine.
07:16 For instance the herbs you know integrative
07:18 medicine uses a lot of herbs in their use.
07:22 But herbs are very similar to medicine,
07:24 they change the chemical environment, correct.
07:26 Some people out there are using magnets
07:29 which I don't believe, I don't think that
07:31 changes your chemical environment.
07:32 They've done studies on that? Yes, they have done
07:34 studies on the magnets. The studies have not shown
07:37 that they have any proven clinical benefit
07:39 other than maybe a placebo benefit, right.
07:42 What are other things acupressure,
07:45 chiropractor you know manipulating bones,
07:46 correct, massage for instance you know if
07:49 you know the other day you told me you had
07:51 a kink in your shoulder, okay. When it's massaged,
07:54 the body releases chemicals that help
07:57 you now for instance if someone hurt your
07:59 arm what's the first thing you do.
08:00 You rub, rub it, when you rub it you releases,
08:03 natural healing substances.
08:05 So that's the very important, right.
08:07 A lot of people don't realize that you can
08:09 change your chemistry just by laughing.
08:11 You know if you get a good belly laugh.
08:12 What does that cause? It releases endorphins,
08:15 okay. You'll get a lot of endorphins so I tell
08:18 people to just; you know go around
08:19 laughing especially if you're in pain.
08:21 How do endorphins work? Endorphins are the
08:23 natural pain killers that the body produces.
08:27 It's sort of the natural stress hormone.
08:28 That's basically what we're talking about it.
08:30 Yes, yeah is exactly, so in my take on
08:33 integrative or complementary medicine and
08:36 would be anything that changes the body's
08:38 chemical from whatever means
08:41 is seen as integrative medicine.
08:43 I'm putting a bunch of these modalities together,
08:47 we've got this integrative approach and I think
08:49 this is the best way if you can rule out
08:51 what's true and what's not true, correct.
08:54 So I have this problem of you know you see all
08:56 these ads on the paper Dan, I met the Millvina
08:59 you know this is guy touting you know
09:00 high clarets, have you heard that one, yeah.
09:02 What is that all about? Well I think we got a
09:04 question that will approach that.
09:06 Well we'll talk about.
09:07 We may be hearing a little bit.
09:08 I'm not sure if I wanna go there right now.
09:10 Well I don't wanna go but the point is your hear
09:13 about these things. Exactly, let me ask you
09:14 this, what are some of the negative and the positive
09:17 outcomes of integrative medicine? Well some of the
09:20 positive outcomes is it merges the truth in a
09:23 lot of different worlds, right.
09:25 Okay for instance, if you can accomplish the
09:28 same thing without taking any medication
09:30 with the side effects. Let's say you can
09:32 lower your blood pressure and cut your
09:35 stress down by regular exercise and proper
09:37 rest and drink enough water wouldn't that be
09:40 better than taking a blood pressure medicine, yes.
09:42 Well that could be an integrative approach,
09:44 and how about for chronic back pain?
09:46 If you can see a chiropractor that could
09:48 manipulate certain ways and release medications
09:51 or deep massage that could you know help
09:54 the pain that way, wouldn't that might be
09:56 better than a pain medication, right.
09:57 It gets to the core of the problem.
09:59 But likewise integrative medicine I think also has
10:02 to work on someone's spiritual side.
10:05 I believe so. Because you know you talked about
10:06 all those things that damage, so I think
10:08 that in knowing the truth and that's what
10:10 I've done looked at, well how do you know the truth?
10:12 Well I go back, you know I try to go back in all
10:15 these decisions go back to the Bible,
10:16 the real source of truth. And prayer and the
10:19 Holy Spirit helping you through your problems.
10:21 Exactly, because you know, I admit the more
10:23 you learn, the less you know.
10:26 And I feel like as all these areas I know
10:28 so much less now than I used to,
10:30 I almost feel humbled. And the only way I can do
10:32 it is you know look at the data
10:34 that's available, right. Pray about it, ask about
10:37 what the truth and let God really
10:39 lead me in love, right. But you know that's
10:41 one thing that I think is a universal healing,
10:44 that is the word love. You know God is love
10:47 I mean. Of course yes biblically,
10:49 God is a principle. You know gives us,
10:50 gives you that assurance and I think that's
10:52 a healing force in itself, right.
10:54 But those are all the components and it makes up
10:57 integrative medicine and more but I think
10:59 we're gonna hear so much more about this because
11:01 I think people want to get
11:02 at the cause of their diseases.
11:05 They're tired of taking pills, they're tired of
11:07 having procedures that they
11:09 want to be whole again. And this is an alternative
11:13 way to do that. Right, and I think you're gonna
11:14 hear a lot more about this over the next
11:16 couple of years. Right, and let's go to,
11:18 to the next question. This is from Allen
11:21 in England, okay. Allen says my home is in
11:25 England, in London. My cholesterol level
11:28 has been high for several years, okay.
11:31 I have taken numerous medications but they
11:33 mess up my liver function. Are there ways to lower
11:37 cholesterol other than medication? Okay.
11:39 I guess my question to you right after that
11:41 would be what's cholesterol,
11:44 and how does that effect us,
11:45 how would it effect us? That's good, okay.
11:47 Well cholesterol is a substance that's made
11:50 up of lipids or fats, and unfortunately in
11:53 the last several years our diet has changed
11:56 to the point where we're taking in too much fat.
11:59 You know I talk about fast food but now
12:02 it should be called fat food, right.
12:04 You know 80 million people are eating
12:06 this stuff everyday. And we don't exercise
12:09 as much to burn off our fats, so the fats have
12:11 to go somewhere. I know a fellow the other day
12:14 that I bumped into and I says, well
12:16 how do you eat. And he says well you know I eat,
12:19 he ate at Hardee's some biscuits and gravy, right.
12:22 At lunch he has a burger, some hamburgers,
12:24 at night he didn't get off work till about 8'o clock
12:27 at night. So he had his big meal at night.
12:29 You know heavy stuff, right, right.
12:30 And usually had some ice cream with the meal
12:33 at night and then he went to bed.
12:36 Is this something that you recommend? No. No.
12:38 I don't recommend that stuff.
12:40 But anyway if you think about, now he didn't know
12:42 about it, bless his heart, yeah, yeah.
12:43 And I was trying to you know give him a
12:44 glimmer of truth, but if you do this over and over,
12:46 this cholesterol or fats have to
12:48 be stored somewhere. Well unfortunately it's
12:51 being stored in the arteries of the heart
12:53 which can cause cardiovascular disease,
12:56 in the artery of the necks; it could cause all
12:59 sorts of problems. Not to mention that
13:01 if you take this caloric inputs sooner or later
13:03 you're gonna be obese, right. So my approach
13:07 to him was, this is what cholesterol does,
13:08 it clogs up your system. So now Allen's question
13:12 was is there ways to lower his cholesterol
13:13 without taking a medication, correct.
13:16 Now most of the cholesterol medicines
13:17 out there are called Statins, okay and they
13:20 do work in the enzyme systems in the liver and
13:24 they can cause abnormalities
13:26 in the liver function. So that's why if you're on
13:28 a Statin, you usually have your liver checked
13:30 every so often, right, on depending what that is.
13:33 Well he can't take it safely
13:34 'cause it hurts his liver.
13:35 Now other things can bring down cholesterol nicely.
13:37 And this is where you know you sort of
13:39 integrate different approaches. Correct,
13:42 such as exercise. Do you ever view
13:45 exercise as a medication? I believe very possibly.
13:49 Yeah. I mean physiologically exercise
13:51 does a number of good things for the body.
13:53 It lowers blood pressure; it loses weight,
13:54 cuts your stress level, so exercise
13:56 would be treated as a medication. Right,
13:59 eating correctly, that's kind of a no brainer there.
14:02 Well but that's hard in our society.
14:04 Well yes, we have. I don't know what they eat
14:05 in London, England but I'm sure that their
14:08 diet is not that dissimilar from
14:09 what we're eating here, right.
14:11 And there are some other natural herbs.
14:13 Let me talk about couple of those, okay.
14:15 A lot of people don't know that soy products,
14:18 soy products can lower your cholesterol,
14:21 okay soy products. Such as soy milk, soy milk,
14:26 soy beans, soy butter, anything that's made
14:29 of soy that can lower, okay. There ae these
14:32 substances in India, they do something for
14:34 ear called a Guggul gum, right.
14:37 It's Guggul and that helps lower cholesterol there.
14:39 Now there is one that you hear a lot about
14:41 call red yeast rice. That lowers cholesterol but
14:44 it has the same compound that our statins have
14:47 in it, right. So it can also affect your liver.
14:50 So Allen that you would probably
14:51 one he wouldn't want to take.
14:52 Right, now let me ask you this.
14:58 Taking these natural products along with
15:01 medications that he is already on,
15:03 would that cause any conflict? It could,
15:06 it could because you know remember
15:08 upfront we said all of these things you put in
15:11 your body from whatever stimulus you can,
15:13 they can always change your chemistry.
15:16 So if you change your chemistry with the
15:17 medication, change it with herbs, sometimes
15:20 they could both work together and harm
15:22 you even more, right. So I do these herbs as
15:25 similar to prescription medications.
15:28 So he has got to be very careful about what he
15:30 might use as, that you mentioned that
15:31 as an alternative. Yeah because some of these
15:33 can be very dangerous, but you know,
15:34 we know that exercise is not gonna hurt, no.
15:37 We know that soy products on your food.
15:39 And you know there are some nuts that are been
15:41 down very protective, specifically the two that
15:44 I really highly promote is walnuts
15:46 and almonds, correct. And in some studies
15:48 they have lowered the chance of having a
15:50 heart attack by up to 50 percent. That's a huge.
15:53 You know but you don't hear as much
15:54 about eating nuts. You know you hear about
15:56 taking a statin which lowers it too, right.
15:59 But you know, well the statin is a easy way to go.
16:01 Right, but now think about this, diet for years
16:04 changes the body's chemistry.
16:06 Now we talked about soy lowering cholesterol,
16:08 nuts helping you, water is a tremendous thing
16:11 to take too for treatment of disease right, right.
16:14 Okay, let's move to next one.
16:17 Okay this next question comes from
16:19 Carter in Tennessee. Does Coenzyme Q10
16:23 make you heart stronger? My grandma told me
16:26 I should be taking this,
16:28 I don't have heart problems.
16:30 My grandma also says
16:32 I should take tons of vitamins.
16:34 He says help. Oh you know. What is Coenzyme Q10?
16:38 Oh Coenzyme Q10 is a substance that's naturally
16:41 released by the body that helps muscle function.
16:45 When should it be used? Well if there is a
16:47 deficiency in Coenzyme Q10 it uses.
16:50 It's never been proven to help heart beat
16:52 stronger but a lot of people think
16:54 it might work, right. And that's what
16:55 interesting about integrative medicine Dan
16:58 is most of the studies have never been done,
17:01 because there is no one who will fund the study,
17:03 to study whether this therapy works better
17:05 than this therapy and actually see how the
17:07 interactions occur, right. But back now I do
17:10 use Coenzyme Q10 sometimes.
17:12 For instance if I had a person that had high
17:14 cholesterol and they started having muscle
17:17 soreness, I might give him Coenzyme Q10, right.
17:20 Some athletes that have muscle soreness deplete
17:23 Coenzyme Q10 they benefit from it, correct.
17:25 If a person did have a weak heart and
17:27 there was nothing else to do, I don't think
17:29 it would hurt any and if few studies
17:31 have suggested that it might do some good.
17:33 Now why would an athlete deplete that?
17:35 Well because they use up their muscle.
17:38 You know you just, they exercise all something
17:40 I don't do but they exercise all the time
17:42 they get soreness, right. You know soreness
17:44 in their muscles that's they are tearing
17:46 their muscles down, right. But now getting back
17:48 to her question about, tons of vitamins
17:51 I mean lots of people take
17:53 tons of vitamins now.
17:55 And what I've been telling people is,
17:56 you know there's lot of supplements out there
17:59 for vitamins but God made that if you eat
18:01 fresh fruits, grains. You get balanced diet.
18:03 Right with the wide variety of colors,
18:05 right, you get all of the nutrients that you need.
18:08 Now conversely, a lot of people don't eat that way.
18:11 Right, well it's very difficult.
18:13 And in those people that don't eat that way
18:14 I do think they benefit from taking
18:16 vitamin supplements, right.
18:18 Now lot of people think though that you
18:20 are better absorbed if you eat your vitamins, right.
18:23 Let me ask you this, yeah. Is it possible
18:26 that there are other supplements out there
18:28 that do make the heart stronger also.
18:29 Oh yeah, there are supplements out there
18:31 some we know about, some that we don't
18:33 know about, correct. That are out there that
18:35 make the heart stronger in different
18:37 types of ways, correct.
18:38 Okay that was a good question from Carter.
18:41 You know another side comment,
18:44 there was a generations differ I believe
18:48 on vitamin intake. Oh yeah. I know the older
18:51 generation seem to push vitamins on
18:53 and the newer generation seem to go for the
18:56 medication. But you know the newer
18:58 generation probably eats worse than the
18:59 older generation now, correct.
19:01 You know they don't use much fruit,
19:02 fresh vegetables, salads that get all the
19:05 vitamins that you need, right.
19:07 Okay, next question. Over the last few years
19:11 my blood pressure has been running high.
19:13 I took a prescription medication but it
19:15 made me nauseated and weak. Are there
19:18 any natural measures I can take to lower my
19:21 blood pressure? This comes from
19:23 Stephanie in New Zealand.
19:24 That's a great question Stephanie and I get
19:27 that all the time. The medicines that you
19:30 take none of them are free. They all come
19:32 with some baggage; they all come with
19:33 side effects, correct. You know it does one
19:36 thing but it alters your chemistry just we've
19:38 talked about. Unfortunately when I
19:40 talked to people about lowering their
19:41 blood pressure naturally Dan. What do they
19:43 do? Well sometimes they don't like it.
19:45 For instance the first thing I like people to do
19:47 is I cut out all the substances that can
19:50 make you blood pressure go high, right.
19:51 I ask them if they smoke, consider not smoking.
19:54 Caffeine raises up the blood pressure.
19:57 How about stresses in life.
19:58 Stress in life raises blood pressure,
20:00 salt or sodium content, right.
20:02 And a lot of people say oh I don't salt my food,
20:04 but they eat a lot of canned foods, correct,
20:06 packet foods, processed food, all of them
20:08 have sodium in it. So, first I say well can you
20:11 exercise do this can you do the rest first.
20:13 You know unfortunately most people say
20:16 I don't want to do that I'd rather take a
20:17 medicine. It's the easy way out.
20:19 Now that's a sad state, you know and I say
20:21 well you know our bodies weren't
20:23 design to take all this. They were design
20:25 for this natural health that God did,
20:28 and we break these laws more
20:30 bad things happen, right.
20:32 So, I try it you know to meet him with rest,
20:34 and let's pray about this, why don't we try
20:35 to do a walking program. You know one of the
20:37 things that causes high blood pressure
20:39 is a condition condition call sleep apnea.
20:42 Right and what is sleep apnea? That is a condition
20:46 where people don't get enough air at nights,
20:48 like they are going under water.
20:49 And they don't have enough air they come up usually
20:51 because an obstruction in the airway.
20:54 So, then begin tired all the time from
20:56 lack of sleep causes high blood pressure
20:59 then is what you are saying? Well I'm saying
21:01 the condition call sleep apnea because
21:03 your tissues made to renew at night, right.
21:06 Well when tissues don't renew at night
21:08 that puts stress on the body.
21:09 The stress hormones that we talked about
21:12 in other shows, right, the epinephrine the cortisol,
21:15 all those things raise blood pressure.
21:17 So, I think any stress on the body
21:20 can raise blood pressure.
21:21 If I punched right here your blood pressure go up.
21:23 If you stay awake for two, three days
21:25 that will put stress on it, right.
21:27 So, I try to cut back all those external stress even
21:30 a bad relationship could raise blood pressure.
21:31 Yeah I can see that happen.
21:33 So, these are things that I would work on
21:35 naturally first now is there natural herb
21:38 or anything like that I guess
21:39 that's what she is asking too,
21:41 but if you think about it Dan
21:42 that's the same as taking a medicine.
21:44 Yeah and then you run in the same conflict
21:47 that Allen had from England.
21:49 Let me ask you this would major lifestyle
21:52 changes having effect on high blood pressure.
21:56 Yeah in major lifestyle checks would
21:59 help greatly for the good.
22:00 Now one of things I tell people
22:02 do you take a day of rest, right.
22:04 Do you sleep well at night,
22:05 do you take vacations.
22:07 These could all be treated for, are you happy
22:09 with your job, correct. I see the people that
22:11 retire from an unhappy job situation,
22:13 and their blood pressure comes right down.
22:15 Right, but what are some of the things that
22:17 she can do, maybe from a lifestyle perspectives
22:21 such as reading, or you know prayer possibly,
22:26 introducing that into her life and allowing the
22:28 Holy Spirit to come into her life and
22:31 make changes in her life from biblical.
22:35 Well now you are getting at the core problem
22:37 because you are giving her the you know the power
22:39 through God, to physically make these changes
22:42 that she does knew to come back to the truth,
22:44 right that he designed us to be, right.
22:46 So, I think that as you know God and how he has
22:49 designed us and how is to work, if you can
22:51 get back to that model, you know it's gonna.
22:54 Then allows you to naturally take care of.
22:56 And it gives you greater chance of healing
22:58 naturally without depending on extra.
23:00 Now, do I use blood pressure medicines?
23:02 Yes I do, but is it my first choice?
23:05 No it's not, right. But, that's what integrative
23:08 medicine is using all these techniques.
23:09 Some people for instances relaxing music
23:12 can bring the blood pressure down, right,
23:13 therapeutic massage, correct.
23:15 You know all of these things can sort of relax
23:18 the body and other you know
23:20 for men it might be playing golf, yeah.
23:22 But, this is what integrative medicine
23:24 is all about. For some people it would.
23:27 Yeah, you don't want me to play golf.
23:29 No, it doesn't relax you. You know we miss
23:31 one part of our question also is she made
23:34 the comment that her prescription
23:36 medicine made her nauseated and weak.
23:40 Why would she be getting sick to her stomach
23:42 because of her prescription medicine,
23:45 is it too strong a prescription?
23:47 Well remember all these medicines weren't
23:49 made naturally for the body, right.
23:52 It might be this is just upsetting her system,
23:54 the system trying to throw it off and it says
23:56 no, this is a side effect and almost every
23:58 medication out there the side effect
24:00 one of the side effects is nausea, correct.
24:02 And every medicine I know almost can
24:04 cause you to be sick at your stomach.
24:05 That's why if you have to take a
24:07 medicine we try sometimes
24:08 to try to take it with the meal, right.
24:11 But, now I think you are understanding,
24:12 and I hope the audience is understanding
24:14 what this integrative medicines about.
24:16 It's taking the best of many different worlds
24:20 looking at the Bible, different principles.
24:22 Looking at the Bible and seeing if we can stay
24:23 within God's laws and God's precepts
24:25 and coming up with a treatment plan.
24:27 Correct all these natural laws.
24:31 Alright, the next question,
24:34 herbs been around for years and are
24:36 prefer to many medications.
24:39 What do you think about hawthorn
24:41 for a weak heart, okay. What is hawthorn anyway?
24:43 Hawthorn is a natural herb okay that's usually
24:47 a leaf and especially in Germany they use
24:50 this a lot for weak hearts and it actually makes
24:53 the heart squeeze stronger and pump better.
24:56 So, this is a very known herbal treatment
25:00 in certain countries and in United States.
25:03 It's actually safer than some of the medicines
25:05 we use to make the heart squeeze stronger.
25:07 One of the medicines we use to use is a lot
25:09 call Digoxin, right. Well hawthorn in some
25:13 studies is shown it work just as good as that
25:15 with less toxicities as it causes less problems.
25:19 So, I think this is another example that
25:20 in the herbal realm, but you do have to
25:23 to treat this like medicine.
25:24 This one has been studied, right.
25:26 And one of the things that I've been going
25:28 over is this integrative medicine.
25:31 Well this is an article that was written in 2005
25:35 that actually is gone over every study on
25:37 these herbal supplements, right and actually
25:39 shown which ones work, which ones don't work.
25:41 So, there are other supplements then that
25:45 would benefit her besides the hawthorn.
25:47 Well its according if its just for the weak
25:49 heart you know hawthorn would.
25:51 Remember we talked little bit about Coenzyme Q10,
25:53 right. Yeah, well such ginkgo maybe.
25:56 Well the ginkgo below but it might help a little
25:59 bit because you know different ones
26:01 are for different things, okay.
26:02 Like for instance you know ginkgo and some of
26:04 them might be use for as it more of a
26:06 stimulant thing of that, okay, okay.
26:07 But there are also some bad ones too out there.
26:09 So there is just either alright, right.
26:14 Alright let's go to number six, this is from
26:18 Debby in Indiana, okay. She says I take
26:21 Coumadin because I had a blood clot
26:23 in my lungs. What herbs should I avoid.
26:26 Okay Debby excellent question.
26:28 What is Coumadin and what do they use it for?
26:30 Okay Coumadin is a blood thinner, okay.
26:33 Some people even have called it rat poison Dan.
26:36 And it's used to help prevent clots
26:38 from forming in the body.
26:40 For instance a blood clot that goes through
26:41 lung is called pulmonary embolism, alright.
26:43 Remember the reporter that was in Iraq
26:45 that was in a tank all day.
26:47 Because his legs are like this, he got pulmonary
26:49 and that's why I'm gonna stretch
26:51 out my legs right now.
26:52 But, you know he got a blood clot it went to
26:54 his lungs he died immediately, right.
26:56 So, people have that it helps breaks up
26:58 the clots, clots anyone, so people with strokes
27:01 need to take certain types of Coumadin.
27:02 Well Coumadin is a blood thinner no one
27:04 likes to use it. I use it in a condition called
27:07 atrial fibrillation, okay but Coumadin is
27:09 one now there are many medications
27:11 that are not herbs especially that we
27:14 don't want to be using Coumadin.
27:15 There is too many to list.
27:16 You mean use with Coumadin?
27:18 No, we don't to use them, so any herb you might
27:20 be taking there is a big list of those
27:22 to look at, okay. To see which ones might be.
27:24 So the interaction between the two
27:26 are very dangerous. Right, so I think
27:28 that this field of integrative medicine
27:30 is very, very fascinating. And its continuing to
27:34 grow by leaps and bounds, it is, it is.
27:36 But, I think as we learn more about this
27:38 I think the key thing I like to tell our audience
27:40 today is get back to the Bible and make sure
27:44 as you ask the Lord about this treatments
27:46 see if you can read about it.
27:47 Find out as much as you can, see if it makes
27:49 sense physiologically. Make sure its not
27:51 harming anything, that probably is main point.
27:53 And first do you no harm, correct. Okay,
27:55 I think all this is very important.
27:56 And as people do this I think more and more
27:58 people, physicians are gonna use this
28:01 integrative approach.
28:02 We hope this program has been useful to you
28:04 and thank you for joining us today
28:06 for you're fearfully and wonderfully made.


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