Participants: Yvonne Lewis (Host), Alex Niculaescu, Levi Longoria
Series Code: UBR
Program Code: UBR000231A
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00:01 Stay tuned to meet two young men
00:03 who are defeating the kingdom of darkness with prayer. 00:06 My name is Yvonne Lewis, 00:08 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:34 Hello and welcome to Urban Report. 00:36 Today's topic may be a bit sensitive 00:39 for children to hear, 00:40 so parental discretion is advised. 00:42 This is actually part two of a previous program 00:46 that we did with my guests 00:48 who are Alex Niculaescu and Levi Longoria. 00:53 I think I just butchered your name again, but... 00:56 Okay. 00:57 I just have to call you Alex so I don't mess up. 01:01 But this is actually part two 01:03 because we did part one and there was so much more, 01:06 and I know that we kind of left you hanging about this dream 01:12 because our time was up and we couldn't believe it, 01:14 so Alex is going to finish telling us about the dream, 01:17 and then he and Levi are going to tell us 01:19 some more of their experiences. 01:21 I mean, this is so crucial 01:23 because there's so much going on out there in the world 01:27 that we really aren't aware of. 01:30 And that's why we're bringing it to you 01:33 the viewer so that you can be aware of what's going on. 01:38 There is a great controversy going on. 01:42 Spiritual warfare is going on. 01:44 It is real. 01:46 If you think it's not real, 01:47 just listen to these experiences 01:49 that our brothers here have had. 01:51 So let's talk to you now about... 01:53 Let's finish that dream. 01:54 If you missed it, 01:56 you got to look up part one of Urban Report 02:01 and Crying at the Gate Ministries. 02:05 So just look up part one, watch that, 02:08 and then watch the rest of this. 02:10 So go ahead, tell us, tell us. 02:12 Your dream, let's start all over with your dream. 02:14 Sure. So we were praying, the three of us. 02:16 We had just been confronted by the ex-Satanist 02:19 who told us tremendous amounts of things 02:21 about spiritual warfare. 02:23 We felt like we needed to spend some time in prayer, 02:25 so we started praying. 02:26 And by the time Andrea, which is a friend of ours, 02:29 she was praying, I began to see something. 02:32 I was just praying, you know, I was like, 02:34 "Why am I seeing this?" 02:36 I saw a tree with, you know, 02:38 the branches that went to the ends of the horizon. 02:41 I couldn't see the ends of them. 02:43 And light was coming through, 02:44 and it was kind of you know very dark scene, 02:46 just enough just to barely maybe make out 02:48 some shapes and whatnot. 02:50 And I heard these sounds, and I looked up, 02:51 and I saw these chains tied to the branches 02:54 and dolls and mannequins 02:55 without faces tied about the neck, 02:57 hanging from these chains just dangling back and forth, 02:59 and I'm like, "Well, this is really unsettling. 03:00 Why would I be thinking about something like this 03:02 while we're praying?" 03:03 I mean, that's weird. 03:05 So I tried to dismiss the thought. 03:07 You know, you try to shove away thoughts, 03:08 things like that, 03:09 but it's not that it would come back. 03:11 It just wouldn't go away 03:12 and the thought was still there. 03:14 And so I opened my eyes and I'm looking and I can see, 03:17 Levi can see Andrea, but I can still see the tree, 03:19 and I can still hear the sounds of the chains, 03:22 and I can still see everything, 03:23 and I'm like, "Okay. 03:25 I got to do something." 03:26 So I began to see that I can move within this, 03:28 you know, dream or vision or whatever it was, 03:30 and I began grabbing the chains 03:32 and pulling them from the branches 03:34 and, you know, they're falling on the ground 03:35 and I'm not feeling any better whatsoever. 03:37 And I finally just get desperate and I say, 03:40 "God, help." 03:41 And the moment that I say, "God, help," 03:43 I finally notice that at the base of the tree, 03:45 the trunk of the tree, 03:47 and there's a man standing next to the base of the tree, 03:49 you know, leaning on an axe, with an axe, 03:51 you know, and he looks like he's about to do something. 03:54 And I'm like, "Yes. 03:56 I'm pretty sure he's going to go cut down the tree." 03:58 So I say, "Lord, give him strength." 04:00 So he picks up the axe 04:01 and he begins chopping at the base of the tree. 04:03 And he's hitting this tree, and the tree is just shaking. 04:05 And, you know, all of these dolls 04:07 and mannequins are going back and forth violently. 04:09 And I'm like it's unsettling, 04:10 I know, but this needs to happen, 04:12 this tree needs to be cut down no matter 04:13 how difficult the processes is. 04:14 And so he kept on cutting, and cutting, and cutting. 04:16 And finally the tree fell. 04:18 And all the branches fell, 04:19 you know, it was weird how it fell, 04:20 but it fell with all the branches 04:22 spread out around me 04:24 in a like manner as they were above me, 04:26 it's like they fell straight down or something. 04:28 But the first thing that I noticed 04:29 is that I can see the sun. 04:30 I can see the sky. 04:32 And finally, there's light. 04:34 And so I look up and I say, "God, thank you." 04:37 I praised God for His goodness 04:38 and I began breaking the chains off 04:40 from the branches once again, 04:41 and all of a sudden they disappear. 04:43 And as soon as Andrea finished praying, 04:47 so does this dream and then it goes away. 04:52 And so, you know, I'm kind of like, 04:54 "Okay, maybe I should share that." 04:55 And so I shared it with Levi and Andrea, 04:57 and all of us came to the exact same conclusion. 04:59 It didn't even take us very long. 05:01 We associated, it immediately reminded us of Daniel Chapter 4 05:04 where Nebuchadnezzar saw a dream of a tree 05:07 and its branches spread out to the ends of the earth 05:10 and that tree was basically a kingdom 05:13 whose influence spread out to the ends of the earth. 05:15 And it says that all of the animals 05:17 and all of the birds found lodging under it. 05:20 But here instead of animals and birds, 05:22 it was dolls and mannequins. 05:24 And these were not birds and animals that were, 05:27 you know, happy living under the power of this kingdom, 05:30 these were people that were being 05:32 or objects that were being oppressed by this kingdom. 05:35 So we identified the kingdom to be the kingdom of slavery. 05:38 This tree was representing, it was a symbol of slavery 05:41 and the system of slavery that its power extends 05:43 to the ends of the earth. 05:44 There's not a single place in the world 05:46 that is not influenced by it. 05:48 And the people that are caught into it, 05:49 the mannequins are the adults and the children are the dolls, 05:53 and the reason they had no face is because this system 05:55 basically steals their identity away. 05:57 They have no identity. 05:59 They're treated just as objects without value, 06:01 without belonging to anyone. 06:04 And so the moment that we try to do ministry 06:07 in our own strength, we see this system. 06:10 We hate it. We loathe it. 06:11 We want to do something about it, 06:13 so we start jumping up 06:14 and tearing these people free from the branches, 06:17 from the system. 06:18 It does nothing. 06:19 It's only the moment that we realize our own helplessness 06:22 in actually solving the problem that we pray to God. 06:25 And Christ is the man with the axe. 06:28 He's the man that cuts at the base of the tree 06:30 and separates this system that enslaves from the roots. 06:34 And the moment that the tree falls down is the moment 06:37 that we praise God first, and then we begin working. 06:39 Because God has already opened the door, 06:41 we just step through it. 06:42 And if our testimony was anything, 06:45 you know, to tell you the reality 06:46 that God does first, and we just show up, 06:49 and everything's already been laid out before us. 06:51 And so at that point is when rescue can be done. 06:54 Praise God. 06:56 Look at how God was communicating with you 06:59 and letting you know what He had... 07:02 He was confirming your mission really. 07:05 He was confirming it for you. 07:07 God is amazing. He is amazing. 07:10 So let's go back to the story about the Satanist 07:16 and how he came to the church. 07:18 Tell us about that because we didn't really get into that 07:22 deeply in part one. 07:23 So he came. 07:25 He was running away for a certain extent 07:28 from the Masonic Lodge in Sao Paulo 07:31 and the Satanic Church that his family was a part of 07:33 and he tried to kind of leave for a while, 07:35 it didn't work out, 07:36 he was going to go back and head to that, 07:38 and on the way back, I guess God was, 07:40 in some way, answering his prayer 07:42 by leading him to this church. 07:44 And in this church, 07:45 you know, the church didn't want to give him any money. 07:47 They said, "Well, if you do something, 07:49 we'll buy the ticket. 07:51 So what do you do?" "Well, I paint." 07:52 "Sure, paint the church, 07:53 we'll buy you a ticket, you can go back." 07:55 So he's in the church that week, 07:58 the same week that we're there. 08:00 And he's painting the walls, 08:02 listening to the pastor and the head elder 08:04 go through the 28-part series 08:06 on Revelation and prophecy, and all of that, 08:10 and he's listening intently. 08:11 He's like, "I've never heard this 08:13 from a Christian church before." 08:15 He had never known that there was a Christian church 08:17 that knows these kinds of things. 08:19 And yet he still felt that it was more of a knowledge 08:22 that was a head knowledge 08:23 as opposed to a practical knowledge. 08:25 And the pastor at some point mentioned 08:26 that there were two missionaries 08:27 that were at his house. 08:29 And so, you know, his name was Williams, 08:32 the ex-Satanist guy, 08:34 well, he was a Satanist at this point. 08:35 And he says, "I need to talk to the missionaries 08:38 that are at your house." 08:39 And the pastor says, "Okay, 08:41 I'll have them come and paint with you." 08:42 And so... 08:43 And did the pastor know 08:45 that he was a Satanist at that point? 08:46 No. He didn't, at that point, he didn't. 08:47 Okay. 08:49 And so the pastor comes back excited, 08:50 "Hey, there's this guy that, you know, 08:52 in three days after listening to our messages, 08:54 you know, just we were going over these notes, 08:56 he wants to get baptized. 08:57 I told you we're doing amazing things." 08:59 So you know, he said that he also wants you to go 09:01 and paint with him. 09:02 I don't know why, 09:04 but he said he wanted to meet the missionaries 09:05 that were staying at my house. 09:06 So we're like, "Okay, sure." 09:08 So the next day, we go and we paint with him. 09:10 And he's telling us that, "Hey, listen. 09:13 I've got a message for you." 09:14 Says, "These guys talk about spiritual warfare 09:19 and the Great Controversy, so I believe it. 09:21 I've never heard this before so I need to get baptized, 09:23 but I still need to tell you the reality of it. 09:27 And I feel that you guys understand it more 09:29 because of what it is that you're doing 09:31 but that they don't, that they don't understand 09:34 because they're not involved in the way that you are." 09:35 And I said, "Well, we haven't told you what we're doing." 09:38 How did this guy know what it is that we're doing? 09:40 We never explained to him 09:41 what is that we're trying to do. 09:43 And so he got baptized on Sabbath. 09:44 And he came afterwards and he told us basically says, 09:47 "Listen. 09:48 I know what it is that you're doing 09:49 and they don't understand it." 09:51 He says, "You're invading Satan's territory directly. 09:52 You're entering upon his territory. 09:54 And not only are you trying to take his territory from him 09:57 and give it to God, 09:59 you're also trying to take his property." 10:00 He says, "Those are his girls, they're his." 10:04 He says, "They belong to him," all right, "He owns them. 10:07 And you're trying to take them from him. 10:09 So he's not going to take lightly to that. 10:11 You don't just walk on to, you know, 10:12 some strong man's property and not only take his property 10:15 but take his territory, you know. 10:17 You're stealing his land from him and his property, 10:20 his valuables, so to speak. 10:21 Because he's a merchant that deals in souls of men 10:24 as we find in Revelation Chapter 18." 10:26 And he says, "You're basically stealing from him." 10:30 He says, "There's things that I need to tell you." 10:32 He says, "There's two things that I need to warn you about, 10:35 the way that Satan is going to try to destroy you 10:38 and the way that man is going to try to destroy you. 10:40 So the way that Satan is going to try to destroy you 10:42 is he's basically going to try to kill you, 10:45 you know, have some accident happen 10:46 or he's going to try to destroy your ministry 10:49 through causing you to fall in a way 10:50 that you can't get up out of it. 10:52 You'll be so ashamed, you'll be so embarrassed, 10:53 you'll do so much credibility 10:55 that you'll never be able to do a single thing again. 10:57 That's a legitimate fear." 10:58 He says, "So I'm just here to tell you 11:00 that you guys really need to be careful about that. 11:02 And the second thing is the way 11:03 that man is going to destroy you. 11:04 There's going to be people 11:06 who think that what you do is cool. 11:07 They're just going to want to join you." 11:09 He says, "Don't involve yourself with people 11:10 who are not of the same spirit as you 11:11 because the moment that you step into an area 11:14 that's an area of contention or an area of danger, 11:16 an area that's under severe spiritual warfare, 11:19 and you go with somebody 11:20 who is not under the same protection as you are, 11:22 who doesn't pray the way that you do, 11:24 who doesn't see spiritual warfare 11:25 the same way that you do, 11:27 their presence basically detracts 11:29 from the protection that you have. 11:30 And you're going to basically open up yourself 11:32 to more attack." 11:33 And so he also gave us, you know, 11:35 tons of things about how spiritual warfare works, 11:37 but those were the two main things 11:38 that he wanted to tell us, 11:39 he wanted to warn us in going forward 11:43 how not to fall to that. 11:44 So... 11:46 Wow. That is so heavy. 11:48 You know, again, look at how God put this man 11:52 in this church at this time, 11:54 painting, while this series was going on. 11:57 And then that's when he accepted 11:59 the Lord Jesus Christ. 12:01 And then he was impressed to share this with you 12:04 to let you know how the enemy was going to come at you. 12:07 Yeah. We really needed that, I think, at that point. 12:11 That was the fourth city out of twelve that we were in. 12:14 And I don't think we were taking it 12:17 as serious as we should be up to that point, 12:21 you know, that kind of very like your unrest to say, 12:24 "Look, we need to be super committed, 12:27 even to our diet, to you know, what we, like... 12:31 The people that we allow to be a part of it, 12:34 all of that, we had to really realize 12:38 this isn't something like you don't mess around 12:40 with this kind of ministry, 12:42 especially you're either all the way in 12:44 or all the way out. 12:46 The most dangerous place you can try to be 12:48 is half in and half out. 12:51 Up until that point, you know, 12:53 my experience with counter-trafficking was mostly, 12:56 you know, dealing with visual prostitution, 12:59 criminal organizations, things like that, 13:01 and maybe some corruption. 13:03 But, you know, I had seen 13:05 evidence of spiritual things all the time, 13:07 churches involved, cults involved, 13:09 religion involved, things like that. 13:11 And I knew, you know, 13:12 theoretically that it was spiritual, 13:14 and I was seeing more in Brazil, 13:15 but it was this experience particularly 13:17 that finally just like nailed it for me that, 13:20 "Hey, all of it is spiritual, all of it. 13:24 There's not a single aspect of it 13:25 that doesn't have to do with the devil, his kingdom, 13:28 and those that are under his influence in the way 13:29 that he manipulates the situations. 13:31 So if you're going to fight this, 13:32 you're not going to fight this the way 13:34 that you fought it before. 13:35 You're going to have to fight this primarily, spiritually, 13:38 or it's not going to work 13:39 and you're going to lose your life." 13:40 This is not child's play. 13:43 And I believe that God was very merciful to us 13:46 in protecting us from many things 13:48 that we were ignorant of. 13:49 And, you know, I don't doubt 13:51 that there are still many things 13:52 that we're ignorant of, 13:54 but I don't think that we're going to go forward 13:57 trying to progress this ministry in ignorance 14:00 because there's a level, 14:01 there's a place for preparation. 14:02 And I think it's better for us to know 14:05 what it is that he's shown us to prepare more 14:07 before we decide to take even more steps deeper in 14:12 because now we're aware of what it is 14:13 that we're really stepping into. 14:15 And I think that's a critical piece. 14:17 We can underestimate spiritual warfare, 14:20 we can underestimate the powers of darkness, 14:24 and if we're not prayed up 14:26 and if we're not rooted and grounded in Christ 14:30 or if we're halfway in and halfway out, 14:33 as you were alluding to, you're just lost 14:37 because we are no match for that kingdom. 14:41 Christ has defeated the enemy already, 14:44 but we are personally no match for the enemy. 14:48 I don't think that we need to be afraid of it, 14:50 but I also don't think 14:51 we need to be presumptuous regarding it. 14:53 Right. 14:54 And oftentimes, we get ourselves in danger 14:55 when we end up being presumptuous in regards to it. 14:57 Right, absolutely. 14:58 But God has given us the victory 14:59 and we just need to understand 15:01 how to engage in the spiritual warfare 15:03 with the victory that God has already given us. 15:04 Yeah. 15:05 And that's a big part of understanding 15:07 the different things that the Bible also speaks about 15:10 in relation to spiritual warfare 15:12 like the breastplate of righteousness, 15:15 you know, for example. 15:18 It's not our righteousness. 15:19 It's Christ's righteousness. Right. 15:21 And there's no holes in it, 15:22 you know, there's nowhere for the devil to get in. 15:25 Each piece of the spiritual armor or spiritual weapons, 15:30 you know, that the Bible speaks about, 15:33 they're all things that we need to understand 15:36 in relation to all of these things 15:37 because there are so many, 15:40 you know, there's a lot of ways 15:42 that the devil will try to attack us, 15:45 but if we understand 15:47 what scripture teaches and how we get to depend on God 15:51 and how you really fight and how He is the one that's, 15:55 you know, all the stories that we've shared about in this 15:59 and the previous interview that we did last time about Brazil, 16:03 I mean, if you... 16:05 For us, we don't need any more proof 16:07 that God is the one doing it, 16:08 you know, and we get to depend on Him 16:10 and rely on Him to be the strong one, 16:12 so to speak, the strong man, 16:14 you know, but you have to remain dependent, 16:17 you have to remain humble and looking to God, 16:21 and we understand, 16:23 we were talking about that today that, man, 16:25 if there's anything that we both know 16:30 it's that everything that has happened is in us, 16:33 that God that is the one doing it. 16:35 Christ is going ahead and He's been so merciful. 16:38 Yes. Oh, yes. 16:41 He used to nobodies. Yeah. 16:43 Well, you know, that's the key though. 16:46 I mean, all He wants is for us to be available. 16:49 He doesn't... 16:50 We just need to be available to Him. 16:52 What would you tell people in churches 16:55 who want to get involved in a ministry like yours 16:59 that has to do with helping to deliver people 17:02 from sex trafficking, human trafficking. 17:06 The first thing that, and I'll actually share a story, 17:09 we wanted to share this story anyway 17:12 just to kind of lead into that idea. 17:14 There was a group in the second city that we... 17:18 Third, Natal. Oh, third. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 17:20 The third city that we visited in Brazil, 17:22 there was a group of young people, 17:23 what was it like? Maybe 15, 20? 17:25 Yeah, it was around 15, I would say. 17:28 And they have the same question that you're asking basically. 17:31 They had for about three weeks before we arrived in that city, 17:37 they had been praying and being impressed 17:40 that they wanted to do something 17:41 to reach out to the people on the streets, 17:44 the ladies, the guys, you know, that were in prostitution, 17:47 and they didn't know how, they didn't know what to do, 17:50 where to start. 17:51 And so they had started praying, 17:54 "God, can you show us how to do this?" 17:57 And three weeks later, 17:58 these two guys from America show up 18:01 and they happened to be doing, 18:02 looking for a group to start a project of outreach 18:06 to prostitutes on the streets. 18:07 Wow. 18:09 And so you can see God was, 18:11 He was preparing the way for us. 18:12 And so we spent 18:16 a couple of hours going through 18:20 basically the ministry that we wanted to do with them of, 18:25 kind of training them, you know, 18:26 on going out into the streets and... 18:28 The safety protocols and things like that. 18:30 Yeah. 18:31 The specific project that we ended up doing with them was, 18:35 like the last interview that that we had, 18:38 Alex had mentioned that 18:39 there were kind of three projects 18:41 that we had wanted to do 18:43 and were looking for confirmation to see 18:44 if God wanted us to do them, 18:46 the first was praying in the cities, 18:47 in the streets, which we obviously did. 18:51 The second one that we talked about was approaching, 18:55 you know... 18:56 Favelas. The favelas. 18:58 Yeah, approaching people in the favelas, in the slums, 19:00 and in areas like that to pray with them. 19:04 And the third one was this project of going out 19:06 into the streets with a group, 19:09 this is one that we would wouldn't do just us two 19:12 because it would be kind of improper, 19:14 you know, it wouldn't look right at the very least. 19:18 With groups of church members, 19:21 we would go and write little handwritten notes 19:26 to the ladies or the guys, 19:28 you know, that we'd be going to 19:30 and give them a flower 19:31 and put a little like a phone number 19:34 or some kind of contact for them 19:36 to get in touch with someone from that area, that church. 19:41 And basically the notes would just say, 19:42 you know, things like about how they had value, 19:45 how they, you know, there are people 19:49 that actually cared about them 19:50 because a lot of them they just don't know that. 19:53 That's one simple fact, you know. 19:56 And so we went over how to do this project 19:59 with this group of young people 20:01 and we went out into the streets and we did it, 20:04 one of the nights that we were there in that city. 20:07 And that first night that we went out, 20:09 and this is the first time 20:10 that we had done that project in Brazil, 20:13 that first night, 20:14 there were I think five people that wanted Bibles, 20:17 there were... 20:18 Two or three. 20:20 Two or three that wanted Bible studies. 20:22 These are prostitutes on the street. 20:24 Wow. 20:25 And one... 20:27 Do you want to tell, Alex remembers the story, 20:29 there was one of them that actually gave his... 20:31 Like after we got back, you know, 20:34 these kids they knew that they wanted to minister 20:37 to the prostitutes to do 20:38 that God had told them to do so, 20:40 but honestly they still had 20:41 their own kind of preconceived ideas 20:44 of what are prostitutes, oh, 20:45 they're there because they want to, they're... 20:47 You know, they didn't have very high thoughts about them. 20:49 Right. 20:50 And so after, you know, this going out 20:53 and handing out the cards 20:54 and the roses and things like that, 20:56 they come back and these kids are like, 20:58 these young people are like broken, 21:00 you know, some of them, they start crying, 21:01 their parents come out, 21:03 and they're trying to explain to their parents 21:04 about how they were so wrong. 21:08 So they were so wrong about this 21:10 and there was one thing that stood out to them. 21:13 And that one of the guys, 21:15 because one of them was a transvestite, 21:16 and he came up and he felt that 21:18 he was treated with such respect 21:20 that he didn't give them their street name, 21:22 he gave them his real name. 21:24 He says, you know, I normally just tell people 21:27 who I meet on the streets, what my street name is, 21:29 but my real name is Alexandre or Alexander, 21:31 is the Portuguese version of Alexander. 21:33 And he says, "I just wanted you to know my real name 21:35 because I wanted to thank you 21:37 for treating me like I'm a human being. 21:40 You showed me that that I actually do have worth 21:42 and I felt that you showed me enough respect 21:44 where I can respect you with my name." 21:46 Yeah. 21:47 Sorry, were you... 21:49 Oh, no, no. Go ahead, go ahead. 21:50 So just to get back to the original question, 21:53 this is where I would say 21:57 to begin working with the church 21:59 the way that we usually start 22:01 is just basically reaching out spiritually, 22:04 and the very first thing in that spiritual, 22:09 you know, reaching out, so to speak, is intercession. 22:11 And there are things that we can kind of do from there, 22:16 we would like to be in touch with people, 22:18 they can get in touch with us 22:19 on our website CryingAtTheGates.com. 22:21 We'll put your website up, CryingAtTheGates.com. 22:24 Yeah. 22:26 But the very first thing, first and foremost, 22:28 even for the people who never decide to contact us 22:31 or anything else is we would just ask them get yourself 22:36 and whoever else in your church or your friends, your family, 22:39 anybody that you can, 22:41 get a group of people to start praying, 22:44 going out into the city and praying for those areas, 22:46 praying for the things that go on there, 22:48 praying for the people that you don't know, 22:49 for the house that you're driving by, 22:51 for the police station, for the grocery store, 22:54 for everything, you know, adopt a neighborhood, 22:58 adopt a street and start praying for your city. 23:01 That's the biggest thing. 23:04 From there, God can open doors to all kinds of other things, 23:07 all kinds of other ministry. 23:09 But lots of times, 23:10 we try doing things even in evangelism 23:15 that are excellent, they're great programs, 23:17 good things that we're doing, 23:19 but the doors are closed spiritually 23:22 to the areas we're trying to reach. 23:24 And if they're closed spiritually, 23:26 if those areas belong to the devil 23:29 and he has control, 23:30 there may be one or two people 23:31 who are willing to hear God in those places, 23:36 but we need to open the doors spiritually 23:38 before we go in and try to reach them physically, 23:43 you know, and so I would say that's the first, 23:45 that's the very first place to start. 23:47 You know, we do want to do eventually, 23:49 I'd love to work with people to open up a recovery center, 23:52 to open up rescue centers, 23:54 maybe even a 24 hour call line like we had in Atlanta. 23:57 You know, there's tons of things that we can do 23:58 and that I'd love to do, you know, 24:00 I'm working on a model of kind of, 24:01 like a Madison School where we can take people 24:03 and teach them practical skills and employ them, 24:05 you know, because they need things to do, 24:08 and a lot of recovery centers are missing many aspects 24:10 that we could provide, you know, 24:12 from like Ellen White's counsel and things like that 24:14 that would benefit them 24:16 and reduce the relapse rate significantly. 24:18 And so I really want to get there, 24:20 but I think we'll waste time if we jump the gun, 24:23 if we start going to the rescues 24:25 and all those recovery programs 24:26 before we've laid the groundwork of intercession 24:29 and understanding spiritual warfare 24:31 because spiritual warfare doesn't end the moment 24:34 you've taken somebody off the streets. 24:35 It actually really begins when you have somebody 24:38 who has a history of these immense amounts of trauma 24:42 and abuse and whatnot 24:43 and you're trying to deal with them psychologically. 24:45 And so if you don't begin with the idea 24:48 that, man, this is real, spiritual warfare exists, 24:51 I need to understand how it works. 24:53 Therefore, you learn how to intercede 24:55 and how to pray and how to use the weapons accordingly. 24:57 Once you don't have... 24:59 If you don't have that groundwork, 25:00 it's not worth moving to the next 25:01 because I've seen so many people 25:03 where they've fallen, 25:04 they've gotten burnt out, they've... 25:06 It's just not worked out. 25:07 And so when we come, yes, 25:09 we're going to talk to you about human trafficking 25:11 and that it exists and how it goes on 25:13 so you can become aware so that you know exactly 25:15 what it is that you need to pray for. 25:17 Then we go through spiritual warfare. 25:19 I tell you that it's real 25:20 and what are the tools that you can use to engage in it, 25:23 and intercessory prayer, 25:24 you know, what does it mean to be an intercessor 25:26 because everybody wants to do rather than to be 25:29 and God is calling us to be men 25:31 and women of God as opposed to just doing things for Him, 25:35 and so we do that ministry first. 25:38 We'll eventually get to the second part, 25:40 but right now we're focusing on intercessory prayer 25:43 especially in terms of victims of trafficking. 25:47 And are you finding that there's a great response 25:50 to what you're doing, are people reaching out to you 25:53 and saying, "We want to get more involved in this, 25:55 tell us what we can do"? 25:56 Some. 25:58 It's not huge, but I think honestly 26:00 that it's probably better that way. 26:02 We don't want hundreds of people 26:04 because it's just Levi and I right now, 26:06 and so I think God is kind of maybe holding back the doors. 26:08 It is a difficult subject. 26:10 I mean, it's something that people are interested in, 26:12 but they don't really know if it's for them or not. 26:15 So that's where we really want to start 26:16 with just helping people with the spiritual warfare aspect 26:19 because that applies to everything, 26:21 not just counter-trafficking, 26:22 it really applies to everything. 26:24 So I believe that the doors are open little by little 26:26 and as we're able to grow 26:28 because right now we're still not full time ministry, 26:30 we're still working normal jobs and trying to do ministry 26:34 whenever we've got time to do. 26:35 So as soon as we have that time, 26:37 I believe that those doors will open. 26:39 Tell us quickly what your needs are in like 45 seconds. 26:44 Just, I mean, yeah it's hard, it's hard. 26:47 Yeah. 26:48 What we're trying to do right now, 26:50 the main focus right now 26:51 is basically doing video projects 26:54 because we want to make training materials 26:56 to put on the website 26:58 so that people who maybe don't see 27:00 these kinds of interviews 27:02 and things can go through a lot of specific areas of training 27:06 and how to, you know, 27:08 spiritual warfare training mainly and traffic, 27:10 how to spot things in their cities 27:12 that may be areas they need to pray for 27:14 and things like that. 27:16 So I guess camera equipment. Okay. 27:19 So you need funds, 27:20 you need funds to purchase the camera equipment. 27:23 I suppose. Unless God just gives them to us. 27:26 And the Lord will provide. 27:28 Thank you so very much 27:30 for being with us again for part two 27:33 because we really, we really need to know 27:36 what's going on out there in the kingdom of darkness. 27:40 A lot of people are kind of in a bubble, 27:42 we don't really know what's going on. 27:43 You guys are on the frontlines, 27:45 and so we thank you so much for being with us. 27:47 Thank you so much for having us. 27:49 Thank you. 27:50 And thank you so much for being with us. 27:52 You know, we want you to hold our brothers up in prayer 27:57 because they are fighting a serious battle. 28:00 Well, thank you for being with us. 28:02 Join us next time 28:04 because it wouldn't be the same without you. |
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