Participants: Yvonne Lewis (Host), Lincoln Steed
Series Code: UBR
Program Code: UBR000166A
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00:01 Are you watching what's going on in the world
00:04 and wondering just how some of this applies to you? 00:07 Well, stay tuned to meet a man 00:09 who can put it all together for us. 00:10 My name is Yvonne Lewis 00:12 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:37 Hello and welcome to Urban Report. 00:39 My guest today is Lincoln Steed, Editor of Liberty Magazine 00:43 and host of 3ABN's Program, Liberty Insider. 00:47 Welcome to Urban Report Lincoln. 00:49 Great to be here, thank you Yvonne. 00:50 You were here a while ago 00:52 and I didn't have the opportunity 00:54 to bring you on to Urban Report, 00:56 and I thought, "I have got to bring you 00:59 onto this Program because there's so much 01:00 going on in the world. Mr. Steed: Absolutely. 01:03 How many hours do we have on this Program? 01:05 I know, I know, I wish we had a while, 01:08 we have about 30 minutes and it goes really fast. 01:11 But how does... well let's start with the Pope 01:14 because the Pope came to visit and I noticed Lincoln that 01:21 everybody... 01:22 there are people who aren't even religious, 01:24 they are loving this Pope 01:26 they're thinking he is the best thing since sliced bread, 01:28 He has become a Media personality, isn't he? 01:31 He has... he's like an icon, 01:32 tell us a bit about the Pope's visit and the implications. 01:37 Well, first of all, it's worth remembering, 01:39 we're on a religious radio broadcast 01:41 but this is way more significant 01:44 than just from a religious perspective 01:45 from a Civic Government, 01:47 the United States of America was set up 01:51 as a Secular Government separation of Church and State 01:54 and it's massive to have the Head of a Church 01:58 who happens to be the Head of a State, 01:59 so he's the antithesis 02:01 of this Church-State separation in the United States, 02:04 here, this figure, is addressing 02:06 and indeed lecturing the U.S. Congress, 02:08 there has never been a Church Leader 02:10 speak directly to the Joint Session of Congress 02:13 so this was a massively 02:14 historical precedent that was set. 02:16 And I think our Viewers need to chew on that, 02:19 just a little bit because what you're saying is 02:22 we as a Country have been set up 02:25 to have a total separation of Church and State... 02:29 The Constitution mandates it. 02:30 And here we have 02:31 a kind of "King" of Vatican City right? 02:35 who is also a Religious Leader, so he is the antithesis of... 02:41 No, admittedly a very little State, 02:43 Mussolini, the one-time dictator of Italy 02:47 just before World War 2, signed a concordant with Rome 02:51 where he gave them back a 110 acres, I think it is, 02:55 which made them... made the Pope the Head of State 02:59 and then I read the Agreement recently, 03:00 and it says there that the 03:02 Cardinals are to be treated as the Princes of the Blood, 03:05 Princess of the Blood! 03:08 So that gave them temporal power back again 03:09 before that, the Pope had been dis-empowered for a while 03:13 but in centuries earlier He'd being basically, a Fief, 03:17 he'd have a Fiefdom, where he ruled 03:19 some of the little "Statelings" in Italy 03:22 as the same time as being Head of a Religious Organization 03:26 so we're seeing what the Bible, I think, 03:28 Protestants for 100s of years believed 03:31 that this religious entity would be re-empowered 03:34 until the whole world wonders after him, 03:37 and it clearly is a wonder, you don't have to be religious 03:40 to see that this guy is the latest "Flavor of the Year. " 03:44 Absolutely, he's on the covers... 03:46 Kissing babies like any politician. 03:48 Absolutely, absolutely, he's on the covers of magazines 03:51 and people on... I watch different News Channels 03:54 and they're all saying, 03:55 "I'm not religious but guy is just special... 03:59 and this guy is wonderful" 04:00 the other thing that is interesting to me, 04:03 is that he's a Jesuit, he's a Jesuit and he's the Pope 04:07 and traditionally there has been some kind of friction 04:11 between the Jesuits and the Papacy. 04:13 A little bit... yes and no... 04:15 the Jesuits were founded 04:16 immediately after the Protestant Reformation 04:19 by Ignatius Loyola an ex-soldier 04:21 with the stated aim 04:23 of gaining back, by any means possible, 04:27 what was lost in the Protestant Reformation. 04:30 So they are, in essence, 04:32 the shock-troopers of Orthodoxy for the church. 04:35 Over the years they became a little bit unmanageable 04:39 at different times but Jean Paul the 2nd 04:42 brought the Group to order, 04:44 he changed the Director of the Jesuit Order 04:47 and made all of them swear personal fealty to the Pope. 04:50 But now that we have a Pope who is a Jesuit, 04:53 I think, if nothing else, this signals 04:55 that they want to set the house in order 04:57 and gain full control of the agenda. 04:59 Why should the average Christian, let's say, 05:05 be concerned about the Pope, why is this important? 05:08 Well, the average Christian, many of the Christians 05:11 are Roman Catholic, they should see... 05:13 they should wonder what their own church is doing 05:17 but certainly Protestants 05:18 who were once the majority in the United States 05:21 which was never a Christian Republic 05:24 but was a majority Protestant Society, 05:26 they should recognize that really... 05:29 history is being unraveled before their eyes 05:31 and that the claims of the Papacy that precipitated 05:35 the Reformation are being restated 05:37 for absolute dominance to political power 05:40 I mean, the speech of the Pope was like a king dictating... 05:45 he was actually lecturing Congress 05:47 it wasn't just a familial talk, he was telling them off, 05:49 he was saying that Capitalism is wrong, 05:52 that you need to change and to be more understanding 05:56 for global issues and for the under... 05:58 now these are all good messages in themselves 06:00 but they're part of a larger Agenda 06:03 and I personally found that troubling, 06:05 I love history and the Pope started off with 06:08 extolling Abraham Lincoln, 06:10 Abraham Lincoln was assassinated not just by John Wilkes Booth 06:14 but there was a plot, there were 11 plotters 06:18 four were hanged, four were in prison for life, 06:21 all of them but one were Roman Catholics 06:23 rare to be Catholics at this time in this Country... 06:28 but at the time it was felt by the populace 06:31 that this was indeed 06:33 a Roman Catholic plot against Protestant America. 06:36 Now, whether or not it was as deep-seated as they thought, 06:39 those were the thoughts at the time 06:42 for the Pope to be glibly mentioning 06:44 the assassination of Abraham Lincoln 06:46 I thought was rather provocative. 06:48 Well, how interesting is that! 06:51 Yeah, I've heard no one comment on it but it's very interesting. 06:54 But I always heard it was John Wilkes Booth 06:57 and that's it, I never knew that there was 06:58 a kind of conspiracy. 07:00 The conspiracy was to... 07:01 and it all happened... much of it happened 07:03 but it didn't... wasn't pulled off correctly, 07:05 John Wilkes Booth shot Abraham Lincoln 07:07 another conspirator, at the exact same time, 07:12 tried to kill Secretary Seward, 07:15 he was stabbed many times but he survived 07:17 another conspirator was assigned to kill General Grant, 07:21 and another conspirator 07:22 was assigned to kill the Vice President, Johnson, 07:25 one of them chickened out and ran away 07:28 one stabbed a guy but he didn't die and so 07:31 like many large-scale plots it fell down 07:34 but it was a coordinated plan 07:36 to decapitate the Government in the United States. 07:38 They were all Roman Catholics? 07:40 All except one who was in the process of converting 07:43 and that doesn't prove the deep-seated conspiracy, 07:47 that's not my point, my point is, 07:49 that was what was seen at the time, 07:52 it was rather damning and further, 07:54 there was one of the plotters who was an extra... 07:57 he was the brother of Mary Surratt, 07:59 he was a Confederate spy, 08:01 another Roman Catholic he escaped and went to Canada, 08:05 was sheltered by priests, then he ended up in Rome 08:08 and the Pope's bodyguard, 08:10 and then he was extradited and by that time, 08:12 the furor died down and they couldn't pin him in Washington 08:16 at the time of the assassination so he went free, 08:18 but it's a very complicated plot that has everything to do 08:22 with the Catholic-Protestant divide at the time. 08:25 Not all of that which was good, you must understand, 08:28 at different times in US History for example, 08:31 there has been the Ku Klux Klan 08:33 people remember that as a racist... 08:35 very racist Organization but their charter was, 08:39 "White Protestant America" 08:41 they viciously attacked 08:43 Roman Catholics in Protestant America so 08:45 the Protestant sensibility was very marked in early America 08:50 at the time of Abraham Lincoln, 08:51 so to have a conspiracy which was real, 08:55 that was obviously made up of Roman Catholics 08:58 was a huge wake-up call to Americans at that time. 09:02 It's interesting because 09:03 that's not something that is widely known. 09:06 No, it might be a little more because there's a film 09:08 by a Hollywood Filmmaker 09:10 that's about the come out on this 09:12 Ah... But anyhow, that is history 09:14 and my point is... just that given that history 09:17 the Pope was being a little provocative to throw that up, 09:20 but he threw in more substantial things in this speech 09:23 that most people didn't notice. Yvonne: Such as? 09:25 He spoke much about Global Warming 09:29 or environmental concern, 09:31 and he made allusions to his document 09:34 I wish I could remember the Latin term on it 09:38 but it just came out the same year, 09:40 and in that document, 09:42 he says something very interesting 09:44 it's mostly secular but he says 09:47 we need to put a religious component on it, 09:49 and he says, "The ancient Israelites 09:52 when they were given the Commandments by God, 09:56 were given the fourth Commandment 09:57 to keep the seventh-day Sabbath 09:59 as a memorial of Creation 10:01 and a reminder of their custody of the environment. " 10:04 Now that's great, Seventh-day Adventists feel good 10:07 but then he segues a little later 10:10 and he says... "And so we Christians know 10:12 in keeping Sunday, 10:14 the day celebrating the Lord's resurrection, 10:17 we will keep that as a memorial of environmental consciousness" 10:21 so he acknowledged Saturday 10:23 but applied it all to a Sunday. 10:25 So... well we're not necessarily the day before a Sunday Law 10:30 it was preparing the way for the civil logic 10:33 for a Sunday... to commemorate our environmental concern 10:38 and nobody is against environmental concern 10:41 well, perhaps a few religious, not religious... 10:44 the political reaction is... Yvonne: Pans out... 10:48 I'm thinking in code, but really something is... 10:51 around the world, 10:53 the weather is a little out of whack, 10:54 what's caused it to be discussed? 10:56 And so we all want to... as he says in the document... 10:58 "protect our common home" that brings us together 11:02 but he has inserted, as I said in Liberty Magazine, 11:05 a partisan concern for the Sunday 11:09 which is clearly the mark of Papal power 11:11 from the earliest days, 11:13 they're not under any cover anymore, 11:14 they're saying, "This is not Biblical 11:16 it's a parallel expression from the Sabbath 11:21 that God intended" 11:22 and they're saying that 11:24 on the authority of the church by its 11:25 innate power and the tradition of the church fathers 11:30 we say it's Sunday. 11:31 Isn't it amazing that 11:33 so many folks just take Sunday for granted 11:37 they go to church on Sunday and this is not a put-down 11:41 of people who don't know 11:42 this is just... it is just... is what it is... 11:45 many people don't know where Sunday came from 11:49 and it's my hope that as they watch our Programs 11:53 that they'll understand 11:54 where the worship on Sunday came from. 11:57 And now the Pope is reinforcing... 12:00 And ironically, not just... not particularly in this speech 12:04 but he alluded to Sunday 12:06 but you can go to the website of the Papacy, 12:09 and they have documents 12:10 including documents on Dies Domini, 12:14 on the Day of the Lord. 12:15 They have another one... well that's the main one 12:19 where they talk about... 12:21 "The Lord's Day" so to speak... 12:22 Yeah, they talk about Sabbath Sunday 12:24 and they don't... they're very honest 12:27 " the Bible," they say, 12:29 "is the Seventh-day Sabbath that God instituted," 12:32 they admit that it was the Catholic Church 12:37 through its innate power, they say, that changed it, 12:40 so what you're really faced with is not whether or not 12:43 Sunday Sabbath is the correct day 12:45 and Sunday is right or wrong... 12:47 that's plain... the real issue is, 12:50 "Are you willing to accept the authority of God's Word 12:53 that has been handed down through the ages, 12:55 or do you accept the assumed authority 12:59 of this church entity?" 13:00 And that's a very interesting point 13:03 because it's like, "Who?" 13:05 Whose authority is preeminent? 13:07 Absolutely... 13:09 Whose authority are you going to follow? 13:10 And I don't think I'm saying anything 13:12 that the Catholic Church will find offensive, 13:14 I read their material, and it... 13:15 it all rises or falls on authority... not on evidence, 13:19 the evidence is very plain, not challenged, nada... 13:23 once upon a time they used to quibble and try to say 13:26 some of the texts that we would use 13:27 to support the seventh-day Sabbath 13:29 well you know... suspect, 13:30 but that's not the case now. 13:32 Yeah, yeah... how did you get interested in religious liberty? 13:34 I was always interested in... 13:36 I studied to be a Seventh-day Adventist Christian, 13:39 and I learned prophecy and Bible texts 13:42 and I read and studied the Bible but I was always interested 13:46 in current events, history 13:47 and how things work out through our culture 13:51 and if you follow things, it's a lot clearer 13:53 and while history doesn't repeat itself, 13:56 the patterns of history, the dynamic of history, 13:59 in this case, the thread of how men treat 14:03 religion and the religious powers that rise and fall, 14:06 how they operate is fairly predictable. 14:08 Hmmm... hmmm... hmmm... are you a student of Psychology 14:12 or do you like to figure out how people think? 14:16 Well I like to... but my wife's the student of Psychology, 14:18 she's got me figured out. 14:19 That's a good answer. 14:21 But that's it, 14:24 I think human nature is fairly similar 14:26 and there's that statement, that power corrupts, 14:29 and absolute power corrupts absolutely, 14:30 and that's very much evident in the Christian church 14:34 it didn't happen all at once, 14:35 it is worth remembering that the Roman Catholic Church 14:38 while I don't quite accept their claims 14:41 to be the singular line from Peter 14:44 or that certainly the Emperors of Rome 14:47 did not give them the Empire, you know, 14:51 "the Donation of Constantine" is a total fraud 14:53 and the Catholic church itself knows it, 14:54 they pretty much go back to 14:56 the very earliest days of Christianity 14:58 we certainly can see that human nature... 15:00 What about Constantine? 15:01 Well there was a document that's in the Vatican Archives 15:05 called, "The Donation of Constantine" 15:07 supposedly a legal document whereby Constantine 15:11 in the waning days of the empire, 15:13 ceded the City of Rome 15:15 and all the authority that goes with it to the Bishop of Rome. 15:18 But that was discovered, as I remember, 15:21 about the year 800 or so... by a Roman Catholic Historian 15:26 to be totally bogus, 15:27 but they needed a document to show they're picking up... 15:32 because what we're really seeing is not just a religious power, 15:35 as I look at the Pope of Rome, 15:37 I see the Ghost of the Roman Empire 15:40 walking in front of us still, 15:42 the Roman Empire ruled the Western World 15:44 for many hundreds and hundreds of years, 15:47 it then moved to Constantinople which is, today, Istanbul 15:51 until it was overthrown by the Muslims 15:55 and all of that disappeared, 15:58 even though the Eastern Orthodox Church continued 16:00 but the remainder of the Roman Empire 16:03 is literally the Bishop of Rome, 16:05 he accepted a lot of the political power 16:08 and attributes of Rome, 16:10 it's part of no accident that all of it is in Latin, 16:12 Latin is not a Christian language 16:15 it's the language of the Empire. 16:17 Yes, yes, so when we see this whole Ecumenical Movement 16:24 going on, where Protestants seemingly 16:27 have forgotten what was originally protested... 16:29 It does seem that way. 16:31 That we can see America and Protestantism 16:35 grasping hands with Rome, and saying, 16:40 "We are one and you are our 16:41 moral authority, you are our Leader. " 16:43 You're almost quoting from the book written 16:45 to Seventh-day Adventists particularly by Ellen White, 16:47 the pioneer of our Church, 16:50 I believe she was inspired when she said, 16:53 "Look into the future, this would happen one day" 16:56 when she wrote that, that was incomprehensible. 16:58 Something I've mentioned on my Program 17:00 and it's an amazing fact, 17:02 President Adams and President Jefferson 17:06 were political enemies but they... 17:09 in their declining days 17:11 till they died on the very same day... 17:13 50 years after the Declaration of Independence 17:16 they wrote letters and they discussed at one point 17:20 whether religion would survive in America, 17:22 Adams said, "Yes," Jefferson said, "No," 17:26 but Adams said, "For it to survive... " 17:27 this is an exact quote, he says, 17:29 "But first that Hindu Capitalistic System 17:32 known as Roman Catholicism must die," 17:35 he says, "At present, it has a mortal wound, 17:38 but such as its strength 17:40 that it may take 200 years more for it to perish. " 17:43 Now when Ellen White wrote those words... in an early America, 17:48 it was not self-evident that Rome was this great power, 17:51 it was not self-evident that Protestantism 17:54 which was well separated and delineated 17:58 and the dominant religious force in the United States, 18:00 it's not quite true that it was founded 18:03 only by religious dissidents, 18:06 Protestants... leaving the old world, 18:08 but many of them were, 18:10 but it had a distinctly Protestant flavor. 18:13 Several years ago during the... 18:16 actually I think it was the last US Presidential election, 18:19 Senator Santorum, a very fine Catholic Senator, 18:24 I mean... he's a truly dedicated Roman Catholic 18:30 an observant Roman Catholic, 18:32 he made a public comment that scared a lot of people 18:34 and I think it reflects the thinking of his church community 18:37 he said, "Protestantism is absent in America today" 18:41 that's how they perceive it. Yvonne: Hmmm... 18:43 And I don't remember any great objection 18:47 to the Pope coming and speaking, 18:49 now, under the freedom of religion, 18:51 people have every right to believe whatever they want 18:54 no matter how wrong or different you see it, 18:58 so the Pope was free to come here, 19:00 we should have welcomed him, 19:02 but in the role he was given, and the uncritical acclaim, 19:06 it was all improper... let's just say 19:07 and it was really out of character 19:10 for an extensively Protestant Society. 19:13 Do you find that it was disproportionate to... 19:16 kind of who... of how we should have 19:20 welcomed him... in a sense? 19:22 Well, he certainly shouldn't have been speaking 19:24 to a Joint Session of Congress, 19:27 and it might have been better 19:30 if he had spoke of Religious things 19:33 in the moment given to him 19:34 but he really spoke of political things, 19:36 it was a political speech primarily 19:38 so it's very telling in the age we live in 19:41 that an extensively Protestant Society 19:44 could be lectured to... from a position of power 19:48 from the religious opposite of we're founded on. 19:51 That's very interesting, what about ISIS, 19:55 what about the role of ISIS? 19:57 I believe we're in a similar dynamic now 19:59 that actually existed 20:01 at the time of the Protestant Reformation, 20:02 Martin Luther, who of course was a Roman Catholic Priest, 20:06 he didn't arrive full-blown as a Protestant Reformer, 20:10 he was a Roman Catholic Priest a true servant of the church 20:13 who sincerely wanted to serve his church, 20:15 he discovered through his Bible Study 20:17 certain inconsistencies 20:20 and he'd seen how paganism had made such in-roads, 20:23 so he cried for reform and immediately... 20:25 well not immediately but as an immediate consequence 20:29 he was ex-communicated and under threat of his life, 20:32 he normally... 20:33 and it had happened many times before in that era, 20:36 he normally would have been dealt with severely... 20:38 probably burned at the stake 20:39 what saved him was that Europe... 20:43 Western Europe was under mortal threat of invasion 20:46 by the Muslims... 20:48 the Ottoman Turks had besieged Vienna, 20:52 they eventually besieged Vienna, 20:54 they had previously threatened France, 20:56 they had taken Spain so... their very survival was at stake 21:01 and the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire 21:03 needed every able-bodied soldier to fight them off, 21:06 he could not afford to alienate the Elector of Saxony 21:09 who was Martin Luther's protector 21:11 so it was essentially this ominous threat of Islam 21:16 that enabled the Protestant Reformation 21:18 but the point I'm making is that 21:20 it wasn't just in the Crusades 21:22 around the year 11 or 1200 and thereabouts, 21:26 when Europe wasn't itself threatened 21:29 but there was this conflict between Islam and Christianity, 21:32 but at the time of the Reformation, 21:34 300 or 400 years later, that's when it was mortal peril 21:38 and it was one religion definitely against another 21:41 and it lasted for a long time, 21:43 I believe we're seeing in our day, 21:46 a repeat of that... and ISIS or ISIL... 21:50 "Da'ish" as they're called in the Middle East 21:52 an acronym from their own name in Arabic, 21:56 includes in its title, the Islamic State 21:59 and I've noticed that the President... Obama 22:02 uses the term "ISIL" 22:04 which is more descriptive than most, 22:06 is the "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. " 22:11 What is the Levant, no one knows that term very well 22:14 that's the area along the Mediterranean 22:18 between Turkey and Egypt, what's between Turkey and Egypt? 22:22 That's the Holy Land. Yvonne: Ahhh... 22:24 This is a group that is laying claim to the Bible lands 22:29 for want of a better term 22:30 and so this is a mortal blow against all of Christianity 22:35 and what Judaism stands for, this isn't just... 22:38 as they've also said in another term, 22:41 re-writing the Skyes-Picot Agreements from World War 1 22:44 and most people have no knowledge of that 22:47 but the great powers, France and England, 22:50 around the time of World War 1, 22:54 after Lawrence of Arabia's episode, 22:56 they sat down... the two of them 22:58 and just arbitrarily divvied up the Middle East. 23:00 Now there's no question that that was arbitrary, 23:03 it was designed to weaken different groups like the Kurds, 23:06 they were cut into about four segments. 23:07 If I were living in that area, I might feel some... 23:12 some... yeah a little aggrieved 23:15 that the Great Powers have manipulated us 23:17 but ISIL is a little more than that 23:20 they want to reclaim for Islam... 23:23 this heartland that they once had 23:25 and that they want to reclaim, 23:28 and of course, it's contested by Israel, 23:30 it's... in the larger sense, 23:34 it's disputed by the whole Christian West. 23:38 So you see it as a kind of war of sorts, 23:42 of contention between Radical Islam 23:46 and Christianity and Judaism. 23:50 It's a little more complicated, again history... 23:52 I'm sorry to give such a précis of it... 23:54 there was a big war just before World War 1 23:57 that most people have forgotten but it was a huge war 23:59 the Crimean War, 24:01 it was fought under Crimean Peninsula 24:04 which we've seen recently where Russia took it over, 24:07 and it was precipitated by who was going to protect 24:09 Christians in the Holy Land from Turkey... 24:13 the Ottoman Turkish Empire which ruled all of that area 24:15 right down through Palestine. 24:17 Russia wanted to defend the Christians 24:23 as the Representatives of the Eastern Orthodox Church 24:26 and they attacked Turkey, 24:27 there was then the... England, 24:30 the Protestant Defender of Christians, 24:31 there was France... the Defender of Catholic Christians 24:35 and they would have come in and fought separately 24:38 but they were all a bit antagonistic to Russia 24:41 so Turkey, England and France ganged up on Russia, 24:46 doesn't that sound a little familiar? 24:48 It does... 24:50 And I believe Russia is somewhat coming in 24:52 from a religious sensibility because... 24:55 since the fall of Communism, the Eastern Orthodox Church 24:58 has closed ranks with the Government 25:01 and they've reasserted their own role 25:03 as basically the Church of the State 25:05 and it can't be pleasant to the Eastern Orthodox 25:10 to see an Islamic threat coming up into their heartland, 25:14 so we are seeing a religious war and as before 25:18 I believe this conflict with Islam 25:21 is going to precipitate massive changes 25:24 on religious understandings and religious liberty 25:27 even in the United States. 25:28 Changes like what? 25:30 Well it's precipitating a fear of 25:33 religious activism, fundamentalism, 25:36 to use the word that's never come pejorative 25:38 and religions outside of the mainstream 25:40 and it's very clear that the Pope... 25:43 I mean... there's a state about him, 25:45 wants to form a religious coalition 25:47 of acceptable, safe churches, under the umbrella of Rome, 25:52 and I believe in this conflict, 25:54 the other... is going to be seen as threatening... 25:58 the other are the so called... extremist Muslims 26:01 who might cut your head off or shoot up your neighborhood 26:04 but there are others others... 26:06 remember we had a bombing at an abortion clinic, 26:09 or a shooting at an abortion clinic recently, 26:11 and there are pains to say, "it's just not radical Islam," 26:14 so I think we're heading to a point 26:16 where it could be seen as dangerous to the public good 26:20 to even belong to a less than mainstream religious group, 26:24 certainly one that is not acceptable to the Pope's call 26:29 and in his speech he said that 26:32 he said, "We must be... 26:33 reject absolutely extremists and fundamentalists" 26:37 and is... what would define that? 26:39 Anyone that doesn't answer to his description of 26:42 saving our common planet. 26:43 So that... then... 26:46 can put Seventh-day Adventists, for example, in jeopardy. 26:48 It could put us... and probably some other groups too. 26:50 Wow! this is fascinating because... 26:54 and I'm trying to ask questions 26:55 that I think our Viewers would want to know 26:58 because there's so much we don't know 27:01 and you can tie in all the historical aspects of it 27:05 as well as the... 27:06 I think we can see the lay of the land, 27:08 as far as the individual person 27:09 they need to live their faith, 27:11 you know, you can't change your faith because of fear 27:14 or because of what you think might be happening 27:16 but we can be forewarned, 27:18 we can see where the dynamic is heading 27:20 but as always... the individual has to live before God, 27:23 and to maintain a very confident, secure, 27:27 active and interactive faith, 27:30 we can't afford to hide in our corner 27:32 now-a-days that will just portray you as 27:35 someone a little bit sinister 27:36 but if you're a loving and lovable Christian 27:38 I think it will go a long way to dissipating this growing 27:43 suspicion of less than mainline religious groups. 27:49 Well you have certainly educated us today 27:51 and we really appreciate your being here. 27:53 Thank you so much. My pleasure. 27:55 God bless you, we'll have you on again too 27:57 if you'll come back. Website: libertymagazine. org 27:58 Thank you so much for joining us, 28:00 join us next time because you know what? 28:02 it just wouldn't be the same without you. |
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