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00:04 >> I want to. 00:10 [MUSIC] 00:17 [MUSIC] 00:22 >> Me too. 00:31 [MUSIC] 00:33 >> 2 00:42 and 00:44 [MUSIC] 00:47 I want to stand 00:49 [MUSIC] 00:52 2. 00:55 [MUSIC] 01:00 [MUSIC] 01:07 >> Good evening, friends. I'm Joe Moore County and we 01:09 just welcome you to our 3, A B and today life program. That's 01:13 right. This is our 2 hours where we get to spend together 01:17 our guest tonight. I'm going to introduce you to her in just a 01:21 moment. But our time I do give you a clue of what we're 01:25 talking about tonight. It's I am not qualified woman in 01:31 leadership. 01:32 You know what I think about women in leadership from Smyth 01:35 study of the word of God who would come to mind in my mind, 01:39 I think of Esther, she's one of the first people. I think of 01:43 that. She had the courage to stand before the king. You 01:48 might think of Deborah. She walked with Barrick leading the 01:52 Army. But what about people like Mary? The mother of Jesus? 01:57 Was she leader? She talked Jesus, the Messiah, the savior 02:01 of the world. What about Martha? Was she a leader? 02:06 She served people and her home 02:10 leadership looks very different. It's not always what 02:14 we expect. And sometimes God calls people to different roles 02:19 or a different season in their life and we don't feel 02:23 qualified. Our guests tonight is going to talk about her 02:28 journey and her it experience, especially the last couple of 02:33 years at KIPP a doula farms walking in leadership as a 02:38 woman. I want to introduce to you, Antoinette Forney, who's 02:42 the principal of coming to the farms and it is such a 02:46 privilege and a blessing to have you here with us tonight. 02:49 Thank you, Jill. Thank you for having me. 02:52 Antoinette spoke at a site. We just came recently from a s 02:56 I and she shared about not qualified and some of those 03:01 stories and journeys of being there. It can be to a farm and 03:05 my heart was touched and convicted. Presence of the holy 03:09 Spirit was there. And before she returned, she and her 03:12 husband tip hands in the we wanted to have her shares some 03:16 of that experience with you at home. So if you're a woman, 03:19 this program is for you. If you're a husband or a father 03:24 or a fund, this program is for you as well. Because God calls 03:28 everyone. I know we're focused specifically on woman, 03:31 but God calls all of us into ministry and to serve him in 03:35 some fashion. So talk to us who is Antoinette. Tell us about 03:40 your family and what you do right now. 03:42 >> My name is Antoinette. I was born and raised in South 03:45 Africa. 03:46 And when I was 19, I left South Africa to look for a place to 03:50 serve. God called me to be a missionary. 03:53 I met my husband, Jason in Tanzania. 03:56 And so we were married a year later. At that point, I knew 03:59 God wanted me to be a missionary. So when I met him, 04:02 it just all fit together. He also had received a call to 04:05 do missions. 04:06 And we moved into the very house where he met and where we 04:10 still live. 22 years later, 04:13 it's not very common for missionaries to be situated so 04:17 long in one place. But our responsibilities over the years 04:20 have just a wall to be more and more. So that's where we still 04:24 are. We have 3 daughters. 04:26 Our oldest daughter is 20 years old to learning to be a nurse. 04:29 Right now studying we have a middle daughter is almost 18. 04:33 And then our youngest daughter who is 15, all born and raced. 04:37 And that's the only home a non is where we are still mountains 04:41 and here in Cannes in you. 04:42 >> Absolutely. So give us just to not show that's not the 04:44 focus of this program, but what is could the dual farms and 04:47 give us a nutshell off? What could the dough forms to us? 04:50 >> Camila pharmacist supporting Ministry off the 7th Day 04:53 Adventist Church in Tanzania. 04:55 So Madison College had started different outpost centers. 04:59 And one of them ended up being Wildwood and Wildwood started. 05:02 Riverside Farm, Zambia and Zambia. Riverside Farm in 05:06 Zambia then started coming to a farm in around 1989. 90 92. 05:11 I didn't know that. Yeah. So and back up to the farm. 05:14 We our main focus is education. Now we have a primary school. 05:18 We have a special school. I'm involved for young people 05:22 address, focusing on agriculture and then we have a 05:25 bible school for adults, training them to be lane 05:28 missionaries and an intern areas of Tanzania. He cites 05:31 that we have a very active publishing work and we are 05:33 breaking ground for another large facility for printing 05:37 because the work is grown so much. 05:39 And then we have built many churches over the years in 05:42 Tanzania. 05:44 We have been also enact the farm. 05:46 And we have started an avocado export company just a few years 05:50 ago to support missions because our goal is beyond Tanzania. 05:54 The rest of Africa is in great need of support and help. 05:58 And we hope that the business can become a tool to start and 06:01 support mission in Africa. Man. That's a great deal 06:04 happening there. How many people involved in working 06:07 there? So it peak season when we can when we count all the 06:11 workers on the business side and all our staff and students 06:14 is 400 people approximately and how many students in the 06:18 primary school and then how many students in your special? 06:20 We have about 132 students and our primary school. We have 114 06:25 students in have a culture training center and they can 06:28 fluctuate anywhere between 30 to 40 students in our lay 06:32 missionary course which we do twice a year. So it's a it's a 06:35 student campus. It's busy. 06:37 >> Wow. Okay. So let's go back to Antoinette as a young person 06:41 to do always want to be a missionary. Were you up strong, 06:44 solid Christian from 06:46 baby Hood or what was your journey? 06:48 >> So I grew up 7th Day Adventists. Interesting. 06:50 My husband is from Canada and I'm from South Africa. His 06:54 parents became admin. This when he was one of my parents became 06:57 at Venice when I was one. 07:00 So, no, I didn't always grow up thinking I would be a 07:03 missionary one day. So I grew up going to the secondary 07:08 school was secular. I was one of maybe a handful of 7th Day 07:12 Adventists and a large high school. So my friends were all 07:16 secular. So in the week I would be like my friend's son that's 07:21 church. I would then try to be like people at the church. 07:24 So kind of living in 2 different worlds. 07:26 But I always wanted to be a true Christian and my heart. 07:30 I remember longing to know God better 07:33 and have something that's more solid and lasting and not just 07:36 the the highs that I would experience during camp meeting 07:40 and then it was kind of fade away. 07:42 By the time I was 19, I went had to make decisions actually 07:47 17 when I had to make decisions about my life, what education I 07:50 wanted. I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life. 07:53 I thought psychology with the a good way to go. But the doors 07:57 weren't opening that way. And so to make a long story 07:59 short, I left Africa when I was 19, this with some basic 08:04 medical missionary training looking for a place to serve 08:07 ended like Abraham. I literally left my country left my family 08:11 not knowing where I was going. 08:13 >> Was a scary. It was. I shed a lot of tears, actually, 08:16 to be very honest with you because I'm supposed to have 08:20 figured out my life, not necessarily long-term, but at 08:23 least. 08:24 >> Not go looking for a place to go and the unknown, but 08:27 rather go to college, find an education so you can support 08:30 yourself. And it just wasn't working out for me that way. 08:33 But I had very supportive parents, parents who prayed for 08:36 me pay. My dad had indicated the 2 missions service he told 08:39 me years later. 08:41 So I can see how all the pieces came together at the last 08:45 minute got opened the door for me to serve at Riverside Farm 08:47 in Zambia where I was for 2 years 08:51 from there. I after meeting my husband, I moved to keep it to 08:54 a farm. 08:56 >> How did you know that God was calling you to be a 08:59 missionary? So you're 19, you're still young. 09:02 How do you know? Because I'm thinking people watching 09:05 tonight and say, I don't know if God's calling me, how do I 09:07 know? How do I hear the call of God and how do I know? 09:11 >> You know, there's a persistent little conviction 09:14 inside that you can quiet doesn't matter what you do, 09:17 that little persistent voice that keeps telling you. 09:21 I want you to serve me. I want you to follow me. And when you 09:24 need someone who talks and that's what happened to me as I 09:27 met, the first American I ever met in South Africa was very 09:31 impressive. And he was talking and sharing about ministry app 09:34 in Kenya. 09:36 And I had that they experience of the disciples on the way to 09:40 the Maoist with a burning heart. I realize that God was 09:43 calling me and didn't know necessarily where our wet, 09:46 of course, but that call was there. I want you to know I 09:50 want you to serve and that's where it started. 09:53 And that's powerful. So if we fast forward, you are capable 09:58 of farms. You your husband got married and your mom and your 10:01 wife. Talk to us just about what that journey was like 10:04 before we transition to the last 2 and a half years. 10:07 You more in leadership. But what is it like it? I mean, 10:09 this is cross cultural mission work. You're a foreigner. 10:13 Talk to us about that. 10:14 So it's a brand new wife at 22 years old. You know, you have 10:19 to learn to use a wood stove now and to learn to cook on a 10:23 wood stoves. I remember my bread coming out very well done 10:27 and burned out fighting completely undone in the 10:30 middle. 10:31 My husband actually talking to can for a very practical in the 10:36 mission field since he was 14. So he had to learn some skills 10:38 that I didn't learn as the town girl. 10:42 So, yeah, just a young bride and you language to have to 10:45 learn new cultural ways besides learning how to be a new wife. 10:50 And then eventually we were blessed with the birth of our 10:52 first daughter. She was born right in Tanzania. My mom was 10:56 able to be there. But I remember raising my little 10:59 children and not having family close by the typical support 11:04 system, silent or some lonely times. I struggled with some 11:08 postpartum depression after the first 2 births. 11:11 And I remember that being tough times some, but I am the Lord 11:15 was so faithful and good to me. Someone I found out there was 11:18 going to be a 3rd. 11:20 In addition to our family, I prayed and I asked the Lord and 11:22 I said, Lord, 11:23 it's hard so far from care so far from family. Could you 11:27 please help me needed? I never experienced the same kind of 11:32 depression after the last child in the head with a first 11:35 Daytona. So this is just a practical example of how the 11:38 Lord sees and understands and can help us. I'm and so what 11:43 advice would you give to a woman now? Maybe he's dealing 11:45 with depression because that's a real issue in so many 11:49 people's lives, male or female. But as a mom with his post 11:54 Partum depression, what advice I know you said you prayed and 11:57 asked, you know, before the birth of her child. But what if 12:00 someone's walking through that journey right now? Would you 12:02 count? The thing about depression is that you want to 12:05 secluded yourself. It's your natural impulse to withdraw and 12:09 to just deal with what you're dealing with right now, it's so 12:13 hard to explain to anyone what's going on where you are. 12:17 I honestly there was a time where for about 2 weeks, 12:21 unless the worse I couldn't pray, I could hardly brush my 12:24 hair and I have toddlers to take care of. 12:27 And that was a low point for me. But I remember feeling in 12:30 that moment that I just needed to hold on to Jesus, even if I 12:35 couldn't for a very much. And then later, I read where 12:38 Allan Whyte says that if you're in pain or if you're 12:41 struggling, don't think too much about it. Just let 12:45 yourself go in. The arms of cheese is just rest and ham. 12:48 He understands. And so that carried me through that dark 12:52 time I could and fix myself had a very supportive has spent. 12:56 He could not necessarily understand what I was going 12:58 through. 12:59 But town. 13:01 Sometimes you don't have anyone besides God, 13:06 just praying. Even if you can pray, just hold on to him. 13:11 There is that tomorrow it does get better. You know, Neil Net 13:15 lease book Depression the way out as you and a big help to 13:18 good retailer natural ways, too. 13:21 In my circumstances where I couldn't go to a counselor, 13:24 I couldn't get any kind of intervention. Really. I'm just 13:28 taking care of your health and making sure you get that 13:31 sunshine and exercise and rest that you need 13:34 over the years that has helped so much. And today, I honestly 13:37 I cannot say that I am in the cycle of depression at all. 13:41 Now I my heart goes out to people who are caught in this 13:44 and there is some intervention necessary. And I praise the 13:47 lord that he does provide for people according to their 13:49 circumstances and their needs. And then I love that cool. 13:54 You referenced from Ellen, why I actually have that written 13:58 down and I quote it sometimes, you know, that you can rest in 14:02 the arms of Jesus. That is beautiful. And I think 14:05 sometimes people think, well, because I'm a certain person, 14:09 I'm a jail leading 3ABN, I have to always be able to keep 14:13 myself together and perform or I am Antoinette leading a 14:16 school in missionary. 14:18 And I think we need to be real that we are on the front lines 14:22 and we deal with things with that and eventually just become 14:27 a little bit much. And we have moments where we are very 14:31 vulnerable are we are undone, 14:33 but God is so faithful got Kerry says Tom 10103 says he's 14:38 a father. He he says he has tender mercy on us casinos, 14:42 we our desk. So I don't think we have to clean too, putting 14:46 up a performance or and upholding an image. I think 14:50 when we can be real then got his glory 5 because we are all 14:53 his precious children before him. 14:55 >> A man that's so powerful. Thank you for sharing that 14:58 Antoinette. I think authenticity and transparency 15:04 not being afraid to be vulnerable. All of those things 15:07 are so powerful. Remember, that's what really riveted me 15:10 to your presentation when you shared us. I was the 15:13 authenticity and transparency and that. 15:16 >> And yet it's not easy in before that talk. I was very 15:20 nervous. I couldn't sleep because I filed. I'm sharing 15:22 with us very deeply personal to me that I'm struggling with. 15:26 And I did. And now that anyone else could relate, really. 15:30 And so I think that is part of our journey. That can be tough. 15:33 Sometimes. That's how much do you share? How much are you 15:36 authentic? So as to not discourage others mission work, 15:40 and then at the same time, there is a blessing to being 15:42 authentic because it can give courage to someone else like, 15:46 okay, I'm not the only one. We are all human but look at 15:49 how God is faithful. Look at what a wonderful provider he is 15:53 for us. I'm I'm taking notes as you talk here and I'm making a 15:58 list. I like this. The surrender and the woman of God 16:02 in leadership and that surrender with your journey, 16:04 the authentic and transparent and be vulnerable not to be 16:08 afraid to take that. And I'm not naturally authentic and 16:12 vulnerable. I think we all have a past. I grew up being bullied 16:16 at school and my personality completely changed from being I 16:20 remember in grade school. It was my delight to make 16:23 everyone laugh. I was the cloud of the class. Believe it or 16:26 not. But by the time I hit highs school, I had completely 16:29 changed to being very insecure, feeling very bad about my 16:33 parents and who I am as a person. 16:36 And I pray, Scott, that he is taking me through a journey and 16:39 I've come full circle where I'm comfortable with him, how he's 16:42 made me. And 16:44 but, yes, I do remember feeling very much an outsider. And so 16:49 it's not natural for me to want to the authentic. I am more 16:53 private. And I think that's OK. I also live in a culture where 16:57 the differences are pointed out all the time. If I go shopping, 17:01 people comment and talk about me and unfortunately, I 17:04 understand everything they're saying. So I've had to 17:06 surrender all of that constantly to the Lord and 17:09 especially now in my position as principal in a foreign 17:13 country and not necessarily having all the qualifications I 17:16 need. It has put me on this spot that has been very 17:19 uncomfortable for me naturally. But again, you know, Joe, 17:22 and we put south aside and we realize this is about something 17:25 bigger than us. 17:27 This is about God and his faithfulness where we can put 17:30 south aside for that moment, then he can come in and it 17:33 becomes about him and he can use a cent to be a blessing to 17:36 someone. I love that. Thank you. 17:39 >> So let's fast forward 2 and a half years ago about I 17:43 believe you stepped into the leadership is the principal 17:45 there. Tell us 17:47 how that came about and then we'll start walking to the 17:50 jury. 17:51 >> And so all these years, I'm serving, you know, as a wife 17:55 and a mother trying to homeschool while Katie Peeping 17:58 the house going and taking care of many guests, you would feel 18:02 like this is all my life is about is just making Benson 18:05 making another meal. And, you know, 18:09 that wasn't higher sum. 18:11 It was it just it takes a lot. And this is if there's any 18:13 missionary ladies e listening to me right now, I understand, 18:17 you know, 18:18 there's so much that revolves around the home and a wife and 18:22 it life is hard. It takes a lot of energy just to live in the 18:27 mission failed. 18:28 But then 2 and a half years ago, we ran into troubles in 18:32 our special school for young people who are at-risk young 18:35 people who have not progressed past greats 7 typically because 18:39 of poverty or abuse. 18:41 And I'm rather than leaving them in their home surroundings 18:44 to perpetuate the cycle of poverty and delinquency. 18:48 And we have brought them to our school or they can study 18:51 tuition-free with the the the agreement that they will work 18:54 to race down food and cooperate with a program of learning 18:58 agriculture and carpentry and tailoring in the hopes that 19:02 when they leave when they're older and they're more able to 19:04 take care of themselves, then they will be fitted to support 19:08 themselves. 19:09 We had 2 principles that unfortunately due to moral 19:13 failures had to leave and young people are very observant. 19:17 They see when people are fake 19:19 and hypocrisy. I think it's one of the biggest factors 19:22 contributing to our young people, not having any interest 19:26 or seriousness about their walk with the Lord. 19:29 So at the time it was very difficult for us. Also to find 19:32 a replacement, 19:34 very few people really understand what we believe 19:37 about education estimate. They have sent us that while 19:40 academics are to be done very well and thoroughly, it's not 19:44 the end all fall. We 19:47 focus on character and because we want these young people to 19:50 know their savior, we want them to have an eternity to prepare 19:54 for and to look forward to. 19:56 And so to find someone that really understood that it was 19:58 willing to bring discipline to the school and reform 20:02 well, standing up to criticism to their own people is very 20:05 difficult to find. 20:07 And at that time also for us as foreigners to stay there, 20:09 it was difficult to find the necessary paperwork and permits 20:12 to keep ourselves there. 20:14 So the leadership looked to me at the end and said, could you 20:18 please step in and manage the school for us? Otherwise, 20:21 you know, we don't see how it's going to keep the school open. 20:25 So the choice came to me because God never force anyone 20:29 into ministry. 20:32 Do I take the school and try what I can with God's help and 20:37 keep it going because it is a very special program. 20:40 Where do I say no, lord, I I still have 2 children at home 20:44 and that's my first calling. 20:47 So I spent time praying about it. And the Lord impressed me 20:51 that he's asking me to step in and help the school. So I did. 20:55 And I asked the leadership at that time that it only be half 20:58 the agreement 20:59 because I still have told run at home and that's how it 21:02 started. 21:03 >> What was going through your mind at the time when you're 21:05 trying to wrestle with making that choice? Did you feel I 21:09 have experience I can step into this leadership role or what 21:13 was in your mind at that time. 21:15 >> Now, so I have no education in the lines of education 21:20 and side did not feel qualified. But having been in 21:25 leadership with my husband, who was director of key dual 21:27 emission for at least 10 years before that 21:30 keep it was very important to me. And I have given my youth 21:35 to that ministry and to see a school shut down for lack of 21:39 someone to take the leadership. There was very hard for me also 21:44 to consider. And so it's a little bit of a dilemma if you 21:48 put your family before ministry our ministry before your 21:50 family. And I I didn't think it has to be either or and so ice 21:55 after praying. I did feel I need to do what I can to keep 21:58 the war going inside did accept that. And like I said, I was 22:01 asking that it only be half day so that I can balance home and 22:04 family with the needs of the ministry. 22:08 The reality is that because of the amount of work that needed 22:11 to be done in school, it took me away from home pretty much 22:13 full time. So my daughters had to step in and kind of learn to 22:19 cook and around the home which wasn't all bad. But your 22:21 mother's heart feels bad. That COVID UT says you are 22:24 responsible far now on the shoulders of the children. 22:27 Did you feel guilty? I did. Yes, very much. But I'm very 22:32 open with my children as well. We pray and I dislike 22:36 talk to them about it. And, you know, I look for options. 22:39 I've never been able to have house help because I'm more of 22:41 a private person that's like, well, girls. Can we look for a 22:44 help or know mom and I look for student missionary to come help 22:48 you with your school no longer. So with the girls both saying 22:54 we've just kept going for it. But there's been some tough 22:56 times. Obviously, you know, our home 22:59 has been a place where I have sought to be ministering from 23:03 our home that people can come to our home, eat with us. 23:06 We have fellowship with us. And of course, when I'm gone, 23:09 that has reduced. So there's a little bit of guilt, too, 23:11 that my home, it's not so welcoming anymore like it used 23:14 to be. But honestly, I think there's different faces 23:18 different seasons that we move through in life. And we just 23:21 have to trust the Lord that 23:23 my season right now is not exactly the same like it was a 23:26 few years ago. I can still minister, even if it's just in 23:29 different ways right now. Yeah. 23:31 >> Listening to talk. I was thinking I think part of the 23:34 reason your story resonated so much with me, ns. I is that 23:39 identify with a lot of all. Remember, this is about 23:43 Internet journeys. So I'm not hijacking that. Just briefly 23:46 remember stepping in to leadership here at TV. And and 23:52 I remember being on my face before God caught. I don't know 23:55 how to manage. I don't know how to lead. I don't know what 23:58 decisions to make. 24:01 What if I do this and it's the wrong one. And I made some 24:04 wrong decisions and then I have to go back and say this wasn't 24:08 the right decision or I'm sorry for this. So let's revisit 24:13 this. I remember we still have a lot more people over to our 24:16 house. It would seem, you know, that time of community and you 24:20 feel this is what a woman should do, right? This was part 24:23 of my role is Craig's wife and I loved that. 24:26 And now we don't because we're so absorbed in busy in 24:29 ministry. And there's that, Gil, I should be doing this and 24:32 God. So I understand I resonate with that in 24:36 going back to God. What is my season right now and what 24:39 turning to have me on right now 24:42 speaking stepping into that role. There are a lot of 24:46 I don't know the word here, but transitional shifts may be that 24:50 needed to take place with the education and the program. 24:54 What were some of the changes that you made stepping into? 24:57 >> So just coming back to previous questions to answer 25:00 completely, no, I did not feel qualified. I did not have the 25:03 right qualifications, 25:05 but I had a heart for what needed to happen. And I think 25:09 that's our first qualification right there for you is if we 25:13 have Hart for God's work in his honor is first, we cannot bear 25:18 to see his work suffer. I think that's that's our first 25:21 qualification right there and then being willing to 25:24 sacrifice. I don't talk about 25:27 uninformed sacrifice. I'm not talking about a sacrifice to 25:30 disperse. Just we shouldn't sacrifice our children. Our 25:34 children is first on our priority, but there is a fine 25:37 balance where our homes can become. So exclusive, the 25:41 ministry doesn't happen from our homes. And this was not 25:44 God's design either. Yes, so then that's the second 25:47 qualification is being willing to sacrifice that time with 25:50 your children with your husband that you would ideally want to 25:53 protect, then I would say stepping into that role that 25:57 got us asked you to be able to pray to pray and ask him to 26:01 help you because 26:03 you don't always know what you're going to do and you are 26:05 going to make mistakes by prayer. I found is what carried 26:09 me. It was then got can come in and God can work through us. 26:13 Number 4, I would say I have to learn more to be humble through 26:16 the years. 26:19 You have to ask for forgiveness to your staff when you have 26:23 done or said something that it's not right. And it's not. 26:26 >> The most pleasant thing that always easy. And I think some 26:30 people are. 26:31 >> Trade of asking for forgiveness, thinking that they 26:33 are now makes you appear weak or you might think that that 26:36 they're not going to respect anymore. But I have found that 26:39 when you are willing to be humble and come and sit down 26:41 and say, you know what, guys, I messed up here and I'm sorry, 26:45 this is what was going on. 26:47 People actually have more respect for you after that 26:49 because then they realize that you value them enough. Yeah, 26:53 that there's a real team spirit going on here. 26:57 So there's been a lot of growth that happens as well in 27:00 leadership. So I see now that it's not just about me stepping 27:03 in and helping the school, but it's possible as chaotic as 27:06 he's been that God needed me to grow. God needs to work on me. 27:10 So this process was also for me. 27:13 >> I love that. It's not just for other people are gone, 27:17 maybe calling you to step into some area. But it's for me just 27:20 as much. 27:21 >> Yeah, people tend to think missionaries have it all 27:23 together and that's why they go to the mission failed 9. 27:25 Now we all have to be healed. We all are in the process where 27:30 God is working on ice. And as he's working with us in 27:33 specific circumstances, and if we can share with those around 27:36 us, then that's what he's calling us to win. 27:39 >> And I'd love that, 27:43 OK? So 27:44 you transition some things there at the school. I'm 27:48 thinking more time with Bible study that agriculture training 27:53 program talked to us about that. 27:54 >> So when I came into the situation 2 and a half years 27:57 ago, we had young people at the school who are not interested 28:00 in agriculture at all. And this is an agriculture training 28:03 school, especially for young people. You have very few 28:06 options left at this point. And so one of the first 28:10 decisions I had to make was to change the program, take away 28:13 all the extra things that were luring young people there. 28:16 And so when I trim that away and we brought discipline back, 28:20 holding them accountable now and being consistent in our 28:22 discipline, a lot of students did drop out of the program. 28:26 We went from 100 and 12 students down to 52. 0, wow. 28:31 That was a very big cut. And you mention doubting 28:34 yourself questioning, did I do the right thing? I went through 28:37 that law. Did I make the right decision? And what if this all 28:41 turns out to be a big mess? But, you know, when you have 28:44 prayed, 28:45 you have to let God work at some point to swell and 28:48 not be so overwhelmed with questioning yourself all the 28:51 time. And so I pray, Scott, that today the school is 28:54 running at full capacity again. And the students are busy. 28:57 They know that here they are here to learn agriculture and 29:01 other subjects. 29:03 You know, for me, it has been a little bit easy as a foreigner 29:06 to stand up and bring discipline 29:09 because I have found that people in their own culture a 29:13 much more sensitive to peer pressure, the criticism from 29:16 their own people. But for me to make a decision and say, 29:20 guys, this is what I feel we need to do. 29:23 It's easier to reflect the blame on me then and I'm okay 29:27 with that. I'm not necessarily all the time that in certain 29:31 situations I can take the blame and say, OK, I've made the 29:34 decision. This is what we need to do. And it's OK if you blame 29:37 me. So I think leadership requires us to be able to 29:42 criticism, which is not natural to any of us. But I think when 29:47 we're hitting crisis well, we can honestly search our hearts 29:51 and say, Lord, what did I do wrong? What did I say? That 29:54 wasn't so kind and then try to make right what we see. We have 29:57 that. But if we haven't 30:00 obviously done something wrong, but we have made a decision 30:04 that has had effects are consequences. I think we can 30:06 leave that with the Lord and say, yes, the criticism doesn't 30:10 feel good right now. But honestly in my conscience 30:12 before God right now, I have made the decision that I felt 30:15 needed to be made 30:16 and often later is when you can see okay, that was the right 30:20 decision at that time even if it wasn't very pleasant. 30:23 >> Yeah. Speaking of criticism, I know 30:28 this isn't always true. This could be an over 30:30 generalization. But 30:32 and by and large, many times women tend to be more 30:35 sensitive. It doesn't mean they're always more. There are 30:37 some women who are very strong, but women would be more 30:40 sensitive. So 30:42 what would you say to someone who is dealing with criticism 30:45 right now, maybe in their home? Maybe there has been it's very 30:48 critical or maybe there dealing with the situation at work 30:51 where they're feeling like they're very criticized. 30:53 And on the flip side, hopefully I'm not putting too much in 30:56 this question. On the flip side, I think sometimes we can 31:00 be over sensitive and the criticism might be justly 31:04 deserved or maybe it could been given in a different fashion. 31:08 But 31:09 we become oversensitive and we might even hide behind that as 31:12 women. I'm just sensitive. So maybe talk to both sides of 31:16 that because there's a balance there. 31:17 >> And the book of Hebrews talks about considering Jesus 31:21 who unjustly suffered a lot of criticism 31:25 unless we become we read and they give up the bottle. 31:28 So I think God created us us ladies to be very in touch with 31:33 our emotions and our feelings. Fish, a sensitivity there to 31:36 pick up on needs of people are feeling of something, doesn't 31:39 look or feel right. But it's true that the more center we 31:43 are around ourselves the way more sensitive to criticism we 31:46 are going to be so I think being hit in the Lord's Day by 31:51 day spending time in his words, the first line of defense, 31:54 too 31:55 better judgment, but then also better 31:58 reflection and acceptance of criticism when it comes. 32:02 You know, if you have been blessed with a husband that can 32:04 pray with you, the cans 32:06 worship with you, then when the criticisms come, you can rest 32:09 and that love that. It's a constructive criticism. It's 32:12 not meant to break you down. 32:14 I imagine they are people living with constant criticism 32:18 that are not tests that are not to start. And I can not 32:20 specifically speak to that because I have not had to walk 32:24 that road very much myself. 32:26 But again, what comes to my mind is that he says in stance 32:30 hiding ourselves in hand, you can give us clarity. He can 32:34 counsel asked, he can show us what is true and what's not 32:38 true. They're wonderful resources as well on emotional 32:42 and cognitive thinking thinking we might university the work 32:45 that they're doing there with Doctor Neal and Lee is such a 32:48 huge resource for people to help clarify their thinking. 32:51 Their thoughts. There's tools out there also on team work. 32:55 I think in a team the more trust there isn't a teen and 32:58 more when criticism come out, you can take it like this is 33:01 constructive. This is where I need to change that when the 33:05 teams broke in and then, you know, you don't know if 33:08 criticism comes from the heart of love or from the heart of 33:12 motives that are not up here. That becomes much more 33:15 challenging. So I would say if you can have a team work on 33:18 your team, built your team so that when that's times of 33:21 criticism, Com, you can filter it more accurately. That's very 33:24 important. And then of course, having a family environment 33:27 where you can bounce off each other and get a good feedback. 33:32 And then of course, your personal daily time with the 33:35 Lord is vital to help you manage and cope with criticism. 33:39 >> I love that. That's powerful. I like the concept of 33:41 teen, whether it's at work or at church or in the home circle 33:46 having that team building being able to balance off of others. 33:49 I know my husband, Greg and I talk all the time. It's such a 33:52 blessing to have a cough, a spouse be able to work together 33:55 with that and the more you no, the person loves you have the 33:59 more you can feel confident that whatever they say is not 34:03 coming from a place of negativity for the place a lot. 34:06 Yeah. Yeah. 34:08 So the students, let's talk some about the students. 34:12 I don't know. Maybe we can share a story from one of the 34:15 students. I don't know which one you want to start with, 34:18 but and their journey because this talks about how God led 34:21 you in this process of leadership with those difficult 34:24 decisions that you face on a day-to-day basis. 34:28 >> So we have boys and girls from very different 34:31 backgrounds, different experiences 34:34 being a foreigner. They're not going to just come up to me and 34:37 especially being the principle. They're not just going to come 34:39 up to me and introduce themselves and let's get to 34:41 know each other better. 34:43 So they generally tend to avoid me a little bit in the 34:45 beginning. But my effort to get come close to them to love for 34:50 them to spend time with them, especially knowing the language 34:53 is a big help to break down some of those barriers. 34:56 And as you get to know them, you start realizing they do 34:59 have different stories. I shared recently the story about 35:01 staff, 35:03 one of our new students who's also physically smaller than 35:06 most of our boy students and how he just came into my office 35:11 in the very first week of thing at school and asked me if I 35:15 permit students to just beat up on each other. And 35:18 >> it surprised me so much that he was so great to just coming 35:22 off the sting straight from me. 35:24 And I said, no, of course we don't. But I will look into it. 35:27 Turns out the boy who was beating up on him was an 35:30 orphan. One of my senior students that I support he 35:35 would work for me on Sundays, too, support in South a little 35:38 bit. But he's also supporting 2 of his younger siblings and so 35:42 on asked him. And I said what I did. Yeah, I asked a senior 35:46 student. I sit 35:47 have you beaten anyone lately? And he said, I'm not this week, 35:52 madam. 35:53 And I know I you sure any thought about it a little bit 35:57 more. And he said, well, it was just a little stick. 36:00 And, you know, sometimes you just have to smile inside. 36:03 You can smile in the moment because it is a serious 36:05 situation. And I kept pressing a little bit. And then he 36:09 became quite indignant. And he's like, well, Madame, 36:11 he eats like a pig, have no manners. And so I had to teach 36:14 in some matters. So little things like that. 36:19 But Seth turned out to have some health issues handed up in 36:23 the hospital during the spring break and didn't come back to 36:26 school. And so when I get some further inquiry, I found out 36:30 that it was in the hospital not receiving treatments or any 36:32 testing. Sometimes, unfortunately, people are being 36:36 bribed to receive services. 36:40 So I was able to bring him back to school. I'm very thankful 36:43 for people who believe in keeping to land that has 36:46 financially helped me to be able to help these young 36:48 people. 36:50 So I was able to take him to a large hospital to get tested. 36:54 May cause sickle cell anemia is in their family. And staff has 36:57 already lost 2 of his older sibling. So the one passed away 37:01 just a week before himself ended up in the hospital. 37:04 And unfortunately, he tested positive as well. And so for 37:08 me, in my experience, not even really knowing with sickle cell 37:11 anemia was now I have to make a decision to I just send him 37:14 home 37:16 because they face at home. You know, the nutrition is very 37:19 little did the poverty. 37:22 It's not going to help him at all. But I don't necessarily in 37:24 our remote situation have a better solution. 37:28 So after talking to Seth, you know, he was just like no way 37:32 is he going home? He staying at school and I praise the Lord. 37:35 We have a wellness center at QB do allow where we have someone 37:39 who was trained at Wildwood in Georgia and she has been 37:42 working with us and we have him natural remedies. We have 37:48 different powders that we mix together for teas to help build 37:51 taste a new system, some height or therapy, to try and help 37:55 facilitate the blood flow, building his blood. 37:58 >> And so he's doing really well. What's his prognosis 38:01 doing all this? 38:03 >> You know, with a lack of medical care that we have in 38:05 our immediate area, we don't know exactly. But he's doing 38:08 well. He took they just advise us to take care of the moments 38:12 when he is in crisis and in pain and let him rest and 38:15 stuff like that. But yes, Fs one example of students with 38:18 different needs that I've had to learn to deal with and 38:22 encourage them. And if we had send Seth's home, what hope 38:26 would he have? Yeah, you know, but here at school, he's busy. 38:29 He has his friends. He's learning about, he says and 38:32 he's happy he's far as I can tell. 38:34 >> The man talk to us about the girls and there's a lot of 38:39 challenges there with the culture in Tanzania and how 38:43 you're seeking to offer protection there at the school. 38:46 >> So I learned that during the 2012 cents is wanted to the 38:51 statistics show that 10 Xenia has one of the highest teenage 38:55 pregnancy rates in the world, which was a revelation to me. 38:59 Now it's 10 years later and the new census was done last year. 39:03 I don't have the latest figures on that. 39:05 And I know a lot of education efforts from the government has 39:09 taken place to minimize that. 39:11 But that was one of the reasons our school was started in 2004 39:15 is to help these young people, especially the girls to have 3 39:19 and a half more years of protection. So they can mature 39:22 so that when they leave, they can take care of themselves 39:25 better and be safe. 39:27 Unfortunately, a lot of these girls are not necessarily 39:30 promiscuous and themselves looking in to get into trouble, 39:33 but because of poverty and promises of older people to 39:37 them that I can help you succeed, I can help you finish 39:41 school, lures them into situations where they are 39:45 compromised and put into danger. They're taking 39:47 advantage of. Yes. 39:51 So I've had last year I had 2 of my new students. Com. 39:55 One was already pregnant when she came. She didn't want to 39:58 learn about agriculture. She wanted to be a teacher, 40:01 but her parents said, no, we are not going to send you to 40:04 school to become a teacher, even though she had good grades 40:07 and the government had selected her to become a teacher. 40:10 And so when a young man who operate a taxi offered to pay 40:14 for her school and 40:17 exchange for some of her services, it became a trap to 40:20 her. 40:21 And so not only did she know loose the support for parents 40:24 and the future to be a teacher, but now she's a young mother. 40:27 We try to figure out how we can help or we try to offer to 40:31 teach err on the side some necessary life skills. But in 40:36 the end, it's the parents, right? And they requested that 40:38 she come home. I have to say that I'm very appreciative of 40:41 the government's efforts to follow up now with the men 40:44 responsible 40:45 to hold them accountable for what they are doing to these 40:48 young girls. 40:49 >> I was just going to ask that. What does the culture 40:51 there like? Is it when something like this happens? 40:54 And it's an older man takes advantage of a young, 40:56 vulnerable girl. DA. Is the culture such that the man would 41:01 be blamed or the woman? The girl? No woman. 41:04 >> And the girl could not go and accuse an elder in public 41:07 to say that he had found that for her. I think things are 41:09 slowly starting to change around where it's becoming more 41:12 acceptable and the man will be prosecuted, especially if the 41:15 parents become involved. 41:17 But if the parents are not involved, if the child is 41:19 raised by a grand parent, it become so much more challenging 41:23 and difficult to hold anyone accountable. That's so very 41:26 difficult. You have experience. I'm trying to remember there 41:28 was a boy and girl both in trouble if their school talk to 41:31 us about that. So we accept young people from the between 41:35 the ages of 14 to 18. That means if they're 18 and they 41:38 stay with us for 3 and a half years there. 22 going on. 41:41 23 by the time they leave. 41:43 But they are still very vulnerable by age 18. So we do 41:47 accept them up until age 18. So last year a young man came 41:51 to us and he was 18 years old. 41:54 But he had only progress and to great who in his education 41:58 home. And so he his name means blessing in the English 42:03 language. 42:04 And I want to believe that when he was born, his parents 42:08 pound him to be a blessing to their family. But 42:10 unfortunately, even in this conservative culture where he 42:13 served more and more families today are splitting up, which 42:16 is very unusual. And so he was one of those little boys that 42:20 were being shuffled from one home to the next. 42:23 And eventually he was out on the streets. His education 42:26 stopping great, too. 42:28 And one day he found in south so 42:31 in despair that he was up in a very high tree and he was going 42:35 to cast himself out of the tree. He was just crying as if 42:38 his heart was just completely broken. 42:40 Fortunately, he didn't do that. And eventually he be friended 42:44 another young person that was different from the other boys 42:47 on the street. 42:48 This young man started studying the Bible with him and he was 42:51 baptized and he wants to work for Jesus now. But as an 18 42:55 year-old with no skills, right? How can he said 42:59 excuse me, how can we support in south how to see tell others 43:02 about Jesus? And so when he heard about our school, he 43:05 decided to apply 43:07 and he couldn't even fill out the exam because, you know, 43:10 he's writing skills are limited. 43:13 But he did write a plea on the exam paper. And he said, 43:16 Please, can you help me? I never had an opportunity to 43:19 learn. 43:20 And Jill, I will never forget one of my teachers when he 43:22 graded the paper with his Red Pen road reply on the exam 43:26 paper. And he said for sure, we will help you. 43:29 >> And I had a tear in my eye when I saw that because 43:32 >> that is who we are. That's what our school is about is to 43:35 helping the least of these. And it reminds me of Jesus. 43:38 When Jesus looked at us, he could see the world and 43:42 rebellion and soon an and stiff neck at this. And you could 43:45 say, well, it's not much I can do for them 43:48 that when Jesus looked at as he saw our helplessness, he saw 43:51 that we couldn't save ourselves. And he said, let me 43:54 go, let me give all 43:57 because it could change like that song says it could change 44:01 the world. Yes, I'm very thankful for Jesus who came to 44:04 rescue us tonight. I think our school, 44:06 as all the other ministry said, you have interviewing here at 44:09 03:00PM. 44:11 We are all in a broken world. And everyone in our little 44:13 corner is doing what we can to reach out to those who are the 44:16 least of these, to give them a future and to give them hope. 44:19 So he came he was accepted. But I have talked to him 44:23 before. And I said, you know, 44:25 you grew up on the streets. Are school is a little 44:28 different and how how are you can manage here? You're going 44:31 to be able to cooperate or union of able to obey any. 44:34 It's like, Madam, if you just give me a chance, I will 44:37 cooperate. So we accepted him. And he was also very hard 44:41 worker, very hard worker. And he did so well that after 44:45 one year he became a student leader in the school. 44:48 But then bit by bit, we saw a little bit of pride rising up 44:52 and him not so Beaty and anymore, not cooperating so 44:56 well and the teachers with counsel with him and advised 44:59 him. 45:00 But then one day he came into my office and fell on his knees 45:04 in front of my desk with tears pouring down his face, 45:07 confessing his Sen. 45:09 And I was trying to make sense of what he was saying. And he 45:12 was basically saying that there is this girl in our school and 45:15 I try to persuade her to break the rules and go with me. 45:20 And fortunately students came and discovered us and nothing 45:24 happened in Iran 45:26 and he's like Madam, please read this Psalm of King. 45:29 David explains exactly the remorse and guilt that I feel. 45:33 So at that point I sat down with him. I went through the 45:37 gospel with him again, reminding him that in 45:39 ourselves. We have nothing good. Yeah. And that's one 45:43 thing that and a lot of conservative cultures still 45:45 missing in sharing the gospel as people think they have to 45:49 have in themselves what will save them. They have to develop 45:52 in themselves what will make them acceptable to God. And 45:55 when they do fail is a terrible blow to them and they give up 45:59 and discouragement thinking this thing is not for them 46:02 but reminding him that it is Jesus. That's a says Jesus 46:05 parity, it's Jesus twist, emits teaser. Sullivan just 46:09 righteousness gives us hope 46:11 that we can let go and trust in hand to work in us to make us 46:15 pure, to make us to what he wants us to be 46:18 praise to God. I praise the Lord for giving me the language 46:22 skills. You know, it's a young mother at home. My husband was 46:25 out and he was able to pick up the language where it was 46:28 harder for me at home to learn the language 46:32 leaving my home and putting me in a situation like this state 46:35 today where I have to learn the language to have to use it. 46:38 God also gives us that extra glassing so that we think can 46:42 learn to fitness from ministry. I was able to talk to him and 46:45 his language about the gospel. 46:47 >> That's powerful. I just want to stop for one moment that so 46:50 powerful. I love what you said about Jesus being the centre. 46:53 Yes, Christ our righteousness and focusing that because I 46:57 think no matter what where we are in leadership, if Jesus is 47:01 in the center, we can thank its doctrines which doctrines are 47:04 important. Now we can think it's. 47:06 >> Works or OS trying harder. 47:10 >> Gritting our teeth are somehow doing something but it 47:13 goes back to Jesus. That's powerful. Yeah. 47:17 >> But then I went to the girl that was involved. 47:22 I asked her what happened. 47:24 And when she told me that he grabbed her and tried to force 47:28 her, my blood is frozen mining. And I was potentially now 47:33 dealing with something much more serious, even criminal. 47:38 And again, I could feel my inadequacy for this situation 47:41 lard. What do I do now? Help me. 47:45 So I went back to my staff. We have a disciplinary 47:48 committee. I explain to them what was going on 47:51 and we started investigating. We ask many questions. I'm 47:55 trying to look at this thing from all angles and we spent a 47:58 lot of time praying, 47:59 praise the Lord that in the and after much probing both of them 48:04 confessed that they were both provocatively acting toward 48:07 each other in the situation, 48:09 of course, with his background growing up on the streets. 48:12 But also this young girl was also physically abused by her 48:15 own father when she was very young 48:17 and which is costs are also 2, unfortunately, lean a little 48:21 bit more towards pursuing. I'm the opposite sex. And she 48:25 confessed that he never touched or so he never grabbed her. 48:28 And she confessed that. And she also said that she never cried 48:32 out for help. 48:33 So what we didn't and was I have a habit at the school is 48:37 taking things back to the school to the students, assist 48:40 in a learning opportunity not to humiliate the students 48:42 involved, but I have prepared them to take responsibility for 48:46 their actions because she had already accused in the front of 48:49 the other students. 48:51 And so that was an opportunity to talk to the student body and 48:54 to say 48:56 look at some different lessons. But they both confessed their 48:58 part. We had to take away his leadership position at that 49:02 time. And I had to suspend them for a couple weeks to go home 49:05 and inform their parents. Unfortunately, for the young 49:08 lady involved. She has left the school. In the meantime, 49:12 which is very sad to me. 49:14 It was not our choice to let her go. But she had already 49:17 been running away to meet with her boyfriend in the village. 49:20 He's older. He's he's an adult. She's only 16 49:24 and she gets paid for being with him, which is against the 49:27 law. 49:28 We have launched a complaint with the village government, 49:31 but he is running away. And so the girl, we can't keep her at 49:35 the school against her will. And so unfortunately, we had to 49:39 let her go. And it's very sad for me because she doesn't 49:43 really have a safe place to return to. 49:45 And I think that's the sad part of our ministry, Jill, is that 49:49 we can do everything that we can to help someone to save 49:53 them. But in the end, they have to want to be help. They have 49:56 to want to be safe. And it has reminded me of the great 49:59 controversy so much the Lord Jesus Christ has given his life 50:03 to save anyone who will just want to ask for it and believe 50:07 it. But so many because maybe 50:11 I don't know what the reason could be, but 50:13 they don't want it. They don't want his help and they walk 50:16 away from it. It breaks the heart of God. It really does. 50:20 Now I praise and that he doesn't give up. Even when 50:22 someone walks away, he will keep working on them to lure 50:25 them back until they finally have completely turned their 50:28 backs on him. 50:29 But yeah, working with kids have often reminded me of the 50:32 great controversy. 50:33 >> And that's powerful. I just want to let's put up the 50:36 website for Kim to do. All right now at 3ABN, we believe 50:40 in the ministry of keeping do law and what God is doing in 50:44 and through you and your husband, Jason and the rest of 50:47 the team there in Cannes, India. 50:49 >> The website is keep the doula Dot O R G. If you're 50:53 listening on the radio you going to say how do I found 50:56 that? It's K I E B I D Hugh L a kid. The doula dot org. If you 51:04 want more information about the school or if you would like to 51:07 support what is happening there? I know there's so many 51:11 needs there. 51:12 >> There is students who are risk. I'm sure there's 51:15 sponsorship that's needed for the students to maintain their 51:19 in the school and will encourage you to pray for my 51:22 sister and 20 and the team there and what God is calling 51:27 them and has called them to do their. I wrote down to things 51:32 as you were talking about that story and we're coming down to 51:35 the end of the first hour. We'll take a break and we'll 51:36 come back with more. But one thing was 51:40 dealing with other people's choice. You talked about that 51:43 at the end of the difficulty because the young lady had a 51:47 choice to make and we cannot force. 51:50 So 51:52 how do you 51:54 what's the word released yourself maybe from that guild 51:57 of when other people make choices and 52:00 we're not responsible. Another words in leadership. There are 52:03 many things we are responsible for. And there's, as you 52:06 mentioned before, sometimes we take the blame for those 52:09 mistakes and be humble enough to admit those mistakes. 52:11 But then there's other times where people make choices and 52:14 we can't control those choices. So maybe impact that. A little 52:18 more talk to us about that. 52:20 >> Right. So when you're working in a team setting, 52:23 it's very helpful rather than you doing it by yourself. 52:25 So this is a lesson for U.S.. Leadership is not something 52:28 that you do it yourself and leader without a team is not a 52:32 leader. 52:33 So when you work together with your team in a situation like 52:37 this and as a team, you have taken constructive steps to try 52:41 and redeem the girl to try and redeem the situation. You have 52:44 to peel to the authorities. You have appealed to the 52:47 parents. Those involved in the and when that young girl makes 52:51 a decision to walk away. The decision comes to me the 52:54 final decision. Do I keep or at the school? Yeah, I do. I let 52:58 her go. 53:00 Now if she had a father that was really interested in her 53:03 welfare, I would lean on his opinion heavily and say what 53:06 would you like us to do now? The father, obviously us one of 53:10 the big perpetrators in this situation. So I had to go to 53:15 foster parent and the foster parent is the one who had tried 53:19 all these years to keep the girl in the school. And the 53:22 foster parent at this time said we can't force or any more to 53:26 be here. And it's very sad at that moment to let her go. 53:30 But at the same time, I know who my certify know Jesus will 53:33 not let her go. So it's not 53:36 pleasant. It is sad, 53:38 but I don't feel guilty. I think we have honestly for 53:42 years tried to do what we can to help. 53:44 And now I just pray that through life circumstances, 53:47 maybe life can teach or something that we could end and 53:50 we'll bring her to the point where she's going to be ready 53:53 to reach out to the Lord and say, Lord, I can't anymore. 53:55 Yeah, I'm at the end of my rope. But I remember what I 53:58 learned. I remember when I saw and please help me. And so 54:03 that's my prayer for her. I will not stop praying for. 54:05 >> A man name. And the other thing that I jotted down that 54:09 come to mind when you're sharing that story was the 54:11 compassion of the teacher who wrote back on the test that the 54:15 young man, I think it was 18 when he applied to come to your 54:18 school and he just really wanted to be there in the 54:21 compassion, the teacher. Yes, we you all. We will help 54:24 you. Do you think compassion is 54:28 inherent? 54:29 Do you think compassion is learned? Is it developed 54:32 through adversity? Is it just a gift from God? How do we even 54:36 develop compassion as leaders for those who are under us? 54:40 >> I think there are some people in this world who are 54:42 blessed with kind homes and they could learn from their 54:45 parents how to be kind. But I think compassion is deeper than 54:49 kindness. I think passion comes from a heart that has 54:53 experience Grace. 54:55 You know, Mary and Simon comes to my mind. Both of them were 55:01 in need of grace. Both of them received grace. Both of them 55:04 were forgiven unconditionally. But both of them did not 55:08 necessarily 55:10 see their guilt for what it was. Both of them did not 55:12 necessarily understand that. Grayson, appreciate it. The 55:16 same and therefore, the love and compassion that flew from 55:20 their hearts were different. 55:21 And so I think compassion is something that you learn. 55:25 It comes from difficult times learning that God is always 55:29 there and that he's there for me and he's going to be there 55:32 for you. Compassion is something that we do have to 55:35 cultivate. We have to practice. 55:38 Compassion is definitely not something that we're born with. 55:42 Naturally, I am. 55:44 >> And I know it's not listed as the fruit of the spirit, 55:47 but I believe it is part of that for this area because it 55:51 is only the result of Jesus Christ residing in them. 55:53 All right. We're coming down to the end of the first hour and 55:57 we have a full second hour coming up, some of my questions 56:00 we haven't got, too will have more stories, more of her, 56:03 her journey. We're going to talk about this balance between 56:07 home and work and how we balance that and ministry and 56:11 the call of God. Are they mutually exclusive or not? 56:15 How do we get over if we feel on qualified? How do we make 56:21 decisions when faced in leadership? What if God's 56:25 calling the husband to a role? But the wife feels like maybe 56:28 she's not called to the mission field are called. What are we 56:31 supposed to do that? How do we lead is woman in display 56:33 strength, but yet the feminine side of the character, the 56:37 compassion, the softness, the gray. So there's much more of 56:40 antoinette's testimony and story coming up the next hour 56:44 from my notes from this first hour as women in leadership 56:48 were to be authentic, to be surrendered, be vulnerable, 56:52 be willing to step forward when God calls you 56:57 develop a heart for God be willing to sacrifice, 57:04 be humble and be willing to apologize when you have made 57:09 mistakes, be cancer assistant, I think in our own life as well 57:15 as in that administering of discipline with others, be 57:18 willing to accept the blame when it's needed and keep Jesus 57:24 as the center. I know there's many more keys that you brought 57:28 up, though. Those are just the ones that I jotted down. 57:31 No matter what God has called you to do. You are leader you 57:35 have influence in your home in your community and your church 57:39 at your workplace. Stay with us. We'll be right 57:45 [MUSIC] 57:50 [MUSIC] 57:55 [MUSIC] |
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