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00:05 ♪ I want to spend my life mending broken people ♪ 00:15 ♪ I want to spend my life removing pain ♪ 00:25 ♪ Lord let my words heal a heart that hurts ♪ 00:36 ♪ I want to spend my life mending broken people ♪ 00:57 ♪ ♪ 01:06 Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn. 01:08 I'm J.D. Quinn. 01:09 and we are excited that you're joining us because today we will 01:14 be introducing a new program, an innovative new program, (mm, 01:20 there you go) from Andrews University. But this is going to 01:24 be part Bible study, part talking about the program and I 01:28 just wanted to start off with a scripture. In Acts chapter two 01:34 we see the early converts to Christianity, all of these Jews 01:43 who had come together and who were so used to kind of keeping 01:50 themselves at a distance from others. All of a sudden they're 01:53 coming together, they've received the Holy Spirit and 01:57 here's what it says. I'm in Acts 2:46: Continuing daily with one 02:05 accord in the temple and breaking bread from house to 02:07 house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart 02:12 praising God and having favor with all the people and as they 02:18 went about spreading the good news, practicing for the first 02:24 time social innovation look what it says: The Lord added to the 02:30 church daily those who were being saved. Here's my question 02:35 for you. Is your church growing or is it a social club? Are you 02:41 a young person who is asking, God what do you want to do with 02:46 my life. How can I make a difference in my community. Or 02:53 maybe you're a pastor or you're an elder or you're a conference 02:57 leader but you're someone who's saying I'm tired of playing 03:02 church. I don't want it to be a social club anymore. I want to 03:06 let the people in my community know who this loving God I serve 03:12 is and I want to meet their needs. Well this program is for 03:18 you. This is such an exciting program. I'm going to introduce 03:23 today we have four doctors in the house. They are leaders of 03:29 of the leadership program at Andrews University. I'm going 03:33 to introduce them but I'll let each one of them give me their 03:37 title because I don't want to have to be reading this. 03:41 Dr. Randy Siebold, so good to have you here. 03:45 Good to be here again. 03:46 And what is your position with the leadership program? 03:50 Yeah, well with the leadership program I am the director of the 03:53 Doctor of Leadership Program. (All right) There's another 03:56 doctoral program which we'll get to in a minute but this one is 04:00 kind of the practitioner's doctorate. 04:02 Okay and is this a master's program or... 04:05 Doctoral program. 04:07 It is a doctoral program. Okay so you...Okay! And then we 04:11 have Dr. Sung Kwon... (Hello ma'am) 04:15 All right Let me say that. I love the name and I messed it up 04:19 Sung Kwon. (Yes) That's so melodic. And Dr. Sung Kwon what 04:26 do you do with the leadership program? 04:27 I'm associate professor of the department of leadership and 04:30 also director of MA, new Master of Arts degree in 04:36 leadership in social innovation 04:37 Oh and so that's what we're going to be talking about is 04:40 leadership and social innovation It's a new master's program at 04:44 Andrews and it's a beauty. Then we have Dr. Bordes Henry-Saturne 04:53 How'd I do that? 04:55 You have done a great job. Bordes Henry-Saturne (Laughter) 05:00 Henry, I said it right. (claps) Bordes, we are so pleased to have 05:06 you here and what is your position with the leadership 05:11 program? 05:12 Well I've been called to serve as the chair of the leadership 05:14 department and it is an exciting opportunity to prepare leaders 05:19 for our church, for communities, even for public institutions. We 05:26 have three main programs in our department. We prepare 05:29 principals and superintendents and we have been doing that for 05:32 many, many years for the education side and that's 05:35 what we call the 05:36 educational leadership program. And we have masters and doctoral 05:40 program for those leaders. We have also the higher education 05:45 administration program where we prepare leaders to serve our 05:50 colleges and universities; those who wish to serve as deans, 05:54 department chairs, college vice presidents university presidents 05:57 so they are part of the higher education program. (Amen) And 06:03 finally, we have what we call the leadership program which is 06:07 broader and I'm sure that my good colleague and friend Erich 06:11 will tell you a little more about that. But we have, they 06:15 will prepare ministers or prepare business people, health 06:21 care leaders, anyone who wants to make a difference in the 06:25 community and to be witnesses in the marketplace. They might 06:29 work for the church or they might work in the community but 06:34 all of them are getting prepared to serve as leaders in the 06:38 community. 06:39 Amen. Bordes, I love your Texas accent. (French phrase) 06:49 (French phrase in return) I'm originally from Haiti and I did 06:52 my graduate studies in France as well and in New York. 06:55 Well it is beautiful and then now we have one more that you'll 07:00 notice is not from Texas and that's Dr. Erich Baumgartner and 07:06 we are so glad that you're with us today Erich. Tell us what you 07:11 do with the leadership program. 07:13 I am the director of the Ph.D. in leadership program which was the 07:18 original leadership program that started in 19, dare I say, 94. 07:25 That was over 25 years ago now and at the time was one of the 07:31 most innovative doctoral programs because it was not 07:36 course based but it was competency-based so we took 07:40 people from wherever they came and then before they could 07:44 graduate they actually had to prove to us that they could do 07:48 it in a competent way. And out of that many other programs have 07:54 spawned and the latest program is now the masters in leading 07:58 social innovation. 08:01 Okay so let's break this down. And it's exciting that it's a 08:05 master's program but what is social innovation? Talk to us 08:12 about that first. 08:13 Well I can just start because I love social innovation and to me 08:18 it's just mind-blowing especially for the church and 08:23 this is, to me it's about blessing. Like how do you become 08:26 a blessing to your community and how do you reach the community 08:30 in a way in which it makes sense to them. Now I'll pass it over 08:37 to my buddy Sung Kwon. He's going to do it a little bit more 08:40 academically. He's the master at this. (Okay) 08:43 Well I believe our Lord Jesus Christ was a radical social 08:48 innovator. He turned the world upside down and He made a 08:51 difference in people's lives and transformed the community. 08:55 And so our master's degree of leadership in social innovation 08:59 is designed to do just that. So we will equip the participants 09:05 with competencies to create new values in our society based on 09:13 the kingdom values and principles, of course, but we 09:17 will focus on three major components. First, how to become 09:22 a social entrepreneur, second social advocacy and third-social 09:26 services. So the program is designed to transition from 09:32 relief to reform and charity to restorative justice (whew!) for 09:38 the kingdom of God. 09:39 Wow. That's exciting. So how did this program begin? 09:44 How far back do we go? I don't know. Here's what I would start 09:49 with and I would pass it over to Erich. We've been thinking about 09:53 this is an undergraduate program We threw some initial ideas 09:57 around to get some collaboration with people across campus and it 10:01 didn't full out into an undergrad program. But we kept 10:05 talking about it. This is of so much value. How can we get this 10:09 started? And so okay we're busy right now but one of the next 10:13 things we want to do is we want to start by moving into a 10:18 master's degree in social innovation. Had a bunch of 10:20 things going on but we've got to do that. We're just crazy busy. 10:24 And so I would just go over to Erich and talk about his morning 10:30 conversation. 10:31 All right now hang on one second Here's my question. When you're 10:37 talking about all the blessings that this program teaches people 10:43 how to institute, initiate and do is it a fair statement to say 10:51 there's a lot of people who have their degree in ministry or they 10:56 have other things, but they're leaders of the church, you may 11:01 be a leader in your community or a leader in the church, would it 11:04 be fair to say that they were not previously trained in this 11:12 way to lead? 11:14 That's an interesting question that, excuse me, I was trained 11:20 as a theologian and when I went back to Austria, I began to 11:26 realize something, that even my best theological training did 11:31 not teach me how to read people in the society that I lived in. 11:37 (That's good) In Austria we have one of the most Catholic 11:43 societies in history. They consider themselves basically 11:48 the protectors of the pope so to say. So how do you bring 11:52 the gospel in that kind of a context when most people are not 11:57 trying to leave the church in order to avoid paying church 12:01 taxes. And it's that kind of thinking...How do I read the 12:06 community, what are the needs that need to be addressed so 12:10 that we can show God's love in a relevant and in a tangible way 12:15 That is part of social innovation. 12:19 Okay, so...go ahead. 12:20 Oh, yes. I believe that ministry has to be not church to our 12:30 community but church with the community. Because Jesus moved 12:35 into our neighborhood, incarnational ministry and 12:40 through that incarnational engagement He was able to 12:44 provide contextual ministry, relevant ministry physically, 12:48 socially, mentally and spiritually relevant. But he was 12:53 not focusing on having a program in the four walls of the church. 12:59 The programmed church tends to focus on what happens inside the 13:04 four walls. But Jesus was about what happens outside of the four 13:08 walls in transforming lives in the community, with the 13:13 community. Social innovation program is designed to equip 13:17 participants how to engage whole communities to transform so it's 13:24 not church to but church with. 13:26 I love that. So continue on. There were some miracles in the 13:29 early days of this... 13:32 Again I would start...just go right back. Erich your walk with 13:37 the Lord and that phone call to Sung Kwon and it started...we 13:42 had some dreams. We wanted to do this but there was just no way, 13:45 no time, no money, you know all the barriers. Right. (Yeah) 13:51 You remember what happened with COVID-19. We were all wearing 13:55 masks, we were at home, we watched church from afar and 14:00 then one day I was asked to actually, teach Sabbath School 14:05 so that it could be taped and broadcast. So I went to church. 14:11 So I dressed up, got into the car closed the door. Was now 14:19 safe. Walk out. Pushed the car out, drove over to the church, 14:24 and I was safe in my car, right? I came to the church parking lot 14:29 and went into the safe bubble where everything was fine and 14:33 then I did my thing, was taped. As soon as I did not speak I had 14:39 my mask on and so and I was safe I was isolated. And it dawned on 14:45 me one day as I was thinking about what was happening 14:50 basically every Sabbath even when I'm not with COVID-19 how 14:56 isolated I am from the typical community. (Oh yeah) And I was 15:00 talking to the Lord about it and I said, Lord, we wanted to do 15:05 this social innovation program but it's not going anywhere. And 15:10 I've just heard that Sung Kwon is free to come to Andrews 15:14 University. He has been working for 20 years for the North 15:18 American Division but they didn't reelect him. This would 15:21 be a great opportunity. How can we do this because Andrews 15:27 University was not hiring anybody and they had told us in 15:30 so many words there's no hiring. As a matter of fact 15:35 they have taken 15:36 positions away. And I was talking to the...and you know 15:40 when you walk and it's dark you talk all kinds of things to the 15:45 Lord. And I said to the Lord, Lord, I know you can do something 15:50 about that. And in that moment it flashed into my mind 15:54 that we wanted to do this social innovation program and there was 16:01 Sung Kwon. Well why don't you ask him if he is willing to come 16:05 But Lord, we don't have any money. We cannot hire him. I 16:07 cannot offer him a position. How do I do that? Well just ask him. 16:11 Maybe he can raise his own money And literally, I went home and I 16:19 felt under the obligation to call Sung. And Sung, you 16:23 remember that moment and I basically was saying Sung I have 16:28 no position, nothing has changed but I have an idea. Would you be 16:35 willing to just listen to the idea? We wanted to start a 16:38 innovation program. Would you consider raising the money so 16:46 that we can get it started, because if we raise the money 16:49 Andrews can't say no. (Chuckles all around) And so he said I'm 16:55 very honored that you would be thinking of me. Let me talk to 17:00 my wife. Now when somebody says to me, let me talk to my wife, 17:03 that means you know give me a week to think about it. 17:07 (Laughter) Two hours later I get a text: My wife and I we talked 17:13 we prayed and we're ready to follow the vision. 17:18 Wow! (Amen) Wow. You know I mean first of all how many times has 17:23 somebody called you and said, Hey, you want a job? Well raise 17:26 the money for it. (That's right) But so the same fire that God 17:33 was putting in Erich's belly He obviously put in yours. Tell us 17:37 about that. 17:39 Well ma'am I have privilege to serve at North American Division 17:42 as the director of Adventist Community Services over 20 years 17:47 It's privilege. I don't know how to describe it. But when you 17:53 serve as a department director over 20 years you need some 17:58 transition because you need additional you know new ideas, 18:02 new leadership to continue that journey because this is God's 18:07 ministry, it's not my department So we were looking for a 18:10 transition, pray about it, and God actually took care of that 18:16 transition. So I was not reelected and so we were 18:22 trusting God because you see my wife and I we were converted 18:26 back in 1991. My wife Buddhist and her entire family Buddhist 18:32 My mother's side of family Buddhist and my father's side of 18:35 the family Catholic, we became Adventist. And then we went to 18:42 study theology at Columbia Union College and shortly after we 18:47 were convinced God was calling us to ministry so we went to 18:50 Dayton, Ohio working on local Adventist Community Services for 18:55 eight years. Then we came to division 10 years later after we 18:59 were baptized. So we see God's hand all along. So we were 19:05 trusting God's, He is a faithful God, amazing God you know. 19:10 (Amen) So we didn't have any doubt that He would continue 19:14 you know lead us to a place where we need to be. And we had 19:17 a few propositions and offers and you know opportunities to 19:22 consider but we felt this is not God's calling you know. So we 19:29 were having a prayer, God where do you want us to go? Just send 19:34 send us email, text message will be fine or even phone call would 19:40 be acceptable. Just let us know. And shortly after phone rang. 19:46 Dr. Baumgartner on the other side of the phone and offering 19:52 me this great opportunity, see. And then he was very apologetic 19:56 (laughter) we don't have any money, we don't have any 20:01 you know confirm of the position and all. 20:05 We have an idea. 20:06 Yeah, we have an idea. 20:08 But it's a God-born idea and so... 20:10 It was God's message. To me a dream is not something that 20:17 we can accomplish. Dream is something that we cannot 20:21 accomplish 20:22 unless God intervenes. (Amen) We can accomplish, that's our 20:26 program and that's the plan and God is not interested in our 20:30 program. And he was very apologetic about the financial 20:33 you know concern. But we felt, my wife and I felt God is the 20:37 creator of the entire universe God has a thousand ways to solve 20:43 the challenges. To me the financial problem was the last 20:45 thing that we need to worry about. We need to follow God's 20:49 vision, God's will. What does God want us to do through our life 20:53 in creating this new degree program? So we were just 20:58 excited, you know, the possibilities, how we can equip 21:02 and develop and educate pastors and the church members to 21:06 become innovators, through the social entrepreneurship 21:11 and advocacy and services. 21:12 So we said, we're going to step forward with faith 21:17 and God has been faithful with us, we'll be faithful with His 21:20 call. So that was the beginning of our journey. 21:23 Sung, I think we need to also say now that God, in a 21:31 miraculous way really provided the money. (He did) There was an 21:34 Adventist foundation that has never given money to a degree 21:39 program (yes) but they do give money to projects. But when they 21:43 heard about the vision they said please apply. (yes) And so we 21:47 applied and in early December they had their meeting and they 21:52 gave us the money. (Yeah) 21:54 And within a month it was 200 thousand dollars. It's not 22:00 10 thousand, 40 thousand, 200 thousand. In fact the foundation 22:04 is offering a matching fund, 100 thousand dollars if we raise 50 22:09 thousand. So if we have any donors out there willing to 22:12 support this new innovative degree, yeah, we need to raise 22:16 50 thousand, they would match by the foundation for 100 22:20 thousand. 22:21 Wow! That's a call to action if you're out there. It doesn't 22:24 have to be that you would be the donor of the entire amount 22:28 but...we're going to put up an address roll. If you say, Lord 22:33 this is what we've been waiting for is to train our leaders, to 22:38 train the people in our community, Christians, to go out 22:43 and turn the world upside down you can contact them and you can 22:49 participate as a donor. But I have to say two things real 22:53 quickly. First I love...we've met your beautiful wife. I love 22:59 the fact that everything you talk about is we. That's the way 23:03 we operate. Everything we do together. But the second thing 23:09 is you know this is a God idea because you're thinking outside 23:13 the box. You know as you said, when we go in into our business 23:18 meetings we say well we don't have the budget for that or that 23:22 I think God His heart's broken that we won't trust Him for the 23:27 money. So you got this funding. Is it for a year, the 200 23:32 thousand was that for a year or what are we looking at? Are 23:35 we looking at more money coming in as people enroll then? 23:39 That is to start the program really. 23:43 Okay, to start the program. 23:44 And as student come in they are going to pay tuition and you'll 23:47 be able to support the program. A lot of donors we are pretty 23:51 sure are going to join the effort and support the program. 23:55 Because when you look around in our communities, in our churches 23:57 for example, you see all of young people, young adults, 24:01 maybe they have a good job, maybe they have a good business 24:04 but they feel in their hearts that they need to do something 24:06 special for God. How do I do that? I have the desire. 24:14 Oh yes. If you come to 24:15 this program you're going to know how to do the budget, how 24:17 to develop a strategic plan. You are going to know how to work 24:21 with different people, how to reach out to foundations and so 24:25 on. That way you'll be able to make a difference in that 24:29 community. When you look you see there are young people without 24:33 a job like you know the prophet Samuel in the old time when he 24:37 saw so many young people were wrong. He m said I'm going to 24:39 open the school of the prophets. That was social innovation. You 24:43 look at Dorcas, you look around the community, see people in 24:46 need. I'm going to give them clothes. Clothing. That was 24:51 social innovation. Same thing here. We see a lot of issues 24:56 from the environment, from young people looking for jobs, 25:00 from people facing all kinds of issues. If you find a way to 25:06 know how to develop a plan, so that it's not only an idea 25:10 or desire but how to make it reality and that's how we see a 25:15 miracle when God sent us Dr. Sung Kwon. Because when he took 25:21 the NAD community services 20 years ago, maybe you can tell 25:24 about that. It was your mission that you were going to make it 25:27 something different. Tell us about that. 25:29 God has blessed us tremendously over 20 years of the journey. 25:33 Adventist Community Services was more of the church based 25:38 ministry. We are known as the Dorcas Society and we had about 25:43 125 centers throughout the North American Division. But after 20 25:48 years we were able to expand 125 centers to over 1400 ACS centers 25:56 (wow) throughout the North American Division and we had 26:00 only two mission of focus, disaster response and inner city 26:04 but we have expanded the scope of service over seven different 26:08 ministries including urban ministry, older adult ministry 26:13 tutoring and mentoring and the youth emergency services so that 26:20 we...it's no more of the church based ministry but community 26:23 based ministry. And our ACS ministry became actually ACS 26:29 International in 2010 and other divisions have adopted ACS 26:34 ministry as domestic program, how to reach out to the 26:39 community. And they all felt the true success in 26:44 my humble opinion 26:45 as Ellen G. White said in Ministry of Healing p. 143 27:11 To me, that is a journey. It's developing a relationship as you 27:17 mingle with the people. You earn your trust as you serve people 27:22 their need, holistic need, physically, mentally, socially 27:26 and spiritually. You will earn the privilege to share the good 27:30 news of salvation that you have. And that is exactly what this 27:35 program is about, how to serve people through the life on life 27:43 evangelism. 27:44 Amen. People don't care what you know until they know how much 27:47 you care. Right? 27:48 Exactly. I mean, Aristotle said we have to have logos, which is 27:53 head, faith but the logos, have faith must be connected to your 27:58 pathos, heart faith, and their heart faith must be connected 28:01 to our ethos, our life. So our Christianity has to be not only 28:07 conceptual framework that we talk about and discuss and study 28:10 but has to be tangible, recognizable, visible expression 28:14 of God's Kingdom on earth in our neighbors. (Amen) 28:19 I want to ask you a question Sung. Where did Jesus learn to 28:26 do just what you read? Namely to mingle among people, watch what 28:34 was happening, knowing what they needed. I mean we say needs, but 28:40 how did He know. And sometimes I have the impression that we 28:45 forget that it took Him 30 years of actually living among people 28:49 becoming an observer, becoming known as somebody that was 28:53 always willing to lend a helping hand and when He was in His 28:59 public ministry, whoa, it was like a bomb exploding in mercy 29:06 and love. But He learned it and the social innovation program 29:11 yes we want these things to happen but I think one thing 29:16 that we really need to emphasize there's a lot of things to learn 29:20 How do you read a community? How do you learn where in the 29:26 community the leaders are that you can approach, that you can 29:30 talk to that are concerned about things in the community. 29:34 All those things. I mean one of the blessings for us is that 29:39 here we have a man who for the last 28 years has done just that 29:44 And he will be the main teacher in this program to share some of 29:50 these things that are so necessary for us, for all the 29:54 people that have good ideas and they want to do something. Well 29:58 how do you get there? We need people who have the knowledge 30:03 how to do this. And what fascinates me so about the 30:08 possibility of this program is you hear so often people talking 30:14 about the intractable problems of our time you know. Climate 30:20 change. Have you ever seen in the ocean these islands of 30:25 plastic. (Yes) Well you realize that you can do something with 30:29 this plastic that you can actually, sell and there is an 30:34 organization that is doing just that. They are making blankets 30:36 out of this. And somebody else I just talked to wants to use it 30:41 as petrol for a big, big project and I guarantee you when that 30:47 project will come on the scene you will have it here in the 30:50 program. I am not allowed to talk about it. 30:53 That's what social innovation is all about. It's about surprising 30:59 people with God-given solutions to problems that we thought we 31:03 could not solve. 31:04 Amen, amen. As I mentioned our program will focus on social 31:08 entrepreneurship, advocacy and services Social entrepreneurship 31:13 is designed not only to develop a vegetarian cafe or like earned 31:21 income ministry but let's say there is a community food desert 31:25 known as a food desert. There's no grocery store. So we as 31:29 social entrepreneurs will engage with the community so the local 31:33 people will be empowered how to establish their own grocery 31:38 store. They own and operate and able to sustain locally. So this 31:44 is another way as I said before not church to but church with. 31:48 And then social advocacy, we say we need to become voice for the 31:54 voiceless. We need to become defender of people who cannot 31:57 defend themselves. Yes there is a place and time for that but 32:01 why not? We empower people to have their own voice. If people 32:08 cannot hear them maybe we need to create a microphone and hand 32:11 it over to them so that people can hear them. That's advocacy 32:15 And then social service. It's not just giving fish which is 32:21 important relief yes teaching how to fish. Individual 32:25 development, absolutely, but what if there's no fish in the 32:29 river? What if there's no fish in the lake? Then we have to 32:34 work with, you know, fishing industry, environmentalists, 32:37 trying to figure out why there's no fish. So not only teaching 32:42 people how to fish but make sure everyone has access to 32:46 their resource. That's the social services we're trying to 32:50 expand. 32:51 Amen. You know I just wanted to real quickly...we're talking the 32:59 new master's program, Leadership in Social Innovation. And I just 33:03 wanted to read some of the topics that it includes: It's 33:07 Introduction to Social Innovation, Creating a 33:12 Collective Impact, I like that. Ministry of Reconciliation 33:16 through Social Innovation, Leading Social Innovation. 33:21 Budgeting, Fundraising, and Grantsmanship, Strategic 33:30 Marketing Management. Diversity, Culture and Leadership, 33:35 Creativity and Innovative Workshop, and Creative Critical 33:41 Thinking and Problem-Solving. So you don't have to be in 33:49 ministry to be in ministry. What I'm saying is you may be...you 33:55 may own a business. You may be a doctor, you could be someone 34:00 This is an online program isn't it (Yes it is) you can go online 34:04 online. I mean, how exciting. There's so many ideas that are 34:10 stillborn. God gives somebody an idea and they go, Oh yeah that's 34:15 a great idea. I don't know how to do it. And they don't follow 34:18 it through. But this is the kind of training that's been 34:22 lacking. 34:23 Can I give you an example of a social innovation. (Sure) You 34:26 ever heard of this place called 3ABN. (Laughter) You know you go 34:29 back to the story of Danny, right? You know, this was God's 34:33 idea. It wasn't Danny's idea. It was God's idea and God said I 34:37 need someone who's faithful. I need someone who's going to 34:41 listen to me and not look at the surroundings around them and go 34:47 Oh, this is just impossible. I can't do it. He wasn't looking 34:49 for that. He was looking for someone who would say Okay, I'll 34:53 go. How many latent ideas are out there. 34:57 Someone with a high school education, someone with no money 35:01 They didn't have two nickels to rub together. God tells him to 35:07 build a television station that will reach the world with the 35:11 undiluted three angels' truth to counteract the counterfeit. 35:16 And you know what, he goes, All right God. And you know what his 35:20 deal was? As long as I don't have to beg for money. And God 35:23 just started bringing it in like he did with you. It is amazing. 35:28 So if somebody wants to get involved, how do they go about 35:34 getting involved? 35:36 Well, ma'am, the easiest way is to just send us an email at 35:41 leader@andrews.edu And I think we've got that on 35:44 the screen leader@andrews. edu 35:49 or to call the phone number (269) 471-6580 35:55 (269) 471-6580 Now we're going to put all of 36:04 of this up for you at the end. But who are you looking for to 36:10 who are you trying to reach? Who are you trying to motivate 36:15 through this program? 36:18 Well the first person that we have in mind is a young person 36:25 that has already given their heart to the Lord and is 36:31 wondering Lord where do you want me to go? I want to be yours 36:36 but where Lord? This program is a broad program. It does not 36:43 block you into any specific ministry but it teaches you how 36:47 to see the world with new eyes and then how to figure out how 36:52 to find solutions. So it's a great exploratory type of 36:57 program. But beyond that anybody that has ever looked up to 37:02 heaven and said, Lord is this all there is to life? I'm going 37:06 to work every day or I'm running my business. Thank you, you have 37:10 blessed me but is there more? 37:13 And if you really want to be a world changer this program is 37:21 for you. (Amen) We will give you a lot of tools that are very 37:27 practical and we invite you to be one of those that will call 37:31 us and we'll have a conversation and we'll help you figure it out 37:34 with God. (Go ahead) 37:37 Just wanting to add that several are saying that I'm not a leader 37:41 It's because they haven't been trained to be a leader, right? 37:45 Okay they do. But you know few people are born leaders but all 37:50 of us we can learn and develop and grow to become effective 37:56 leaders. (Amen) And that's one of the things that we have been 37:58 doing in the leadership department to prepare men and 38:00 women to be strong and effective leaders and there is something 38:04 unique about the way we develop leaders right? You want to say 38:06 something about that? 38:07 Well yeah, the leadership program at Andrews, and Erich 38:10 alluded to this earlier, the leadership program uses an 38:14 approach that's well deeply experiential. So there's five 38:22 key areas inside of the leadership program. So of course 38:25 there's content right, you know there's books and reading books 38:29 and articles and those sorts of things, but at the same time 38:32 every time you come up with a new idea in the leadership 38:36 program, you get this idea, you get engaged with it, the next 38:39 thing you do is you put it into practice. So in the leadership 38:43 program part of the implementation part 38:46 is key, crucial. So you have the ideas, you come up with this new 38:50 idea, you put it into practice and then to tie those together 38:55 we use reflection which is really a prayer. Like this is a 39:01 way for God to show you what's new about the idea, how does 39:05 that idea fit into your other ideas and how does that idea 39:09 help change your practice and then how does this practice help 39:13 really influence how you think about that idea? And you know 39:18 too often we have academics that are only focused on ideas. 39:23 I mean I don't want to get too big into criticizing higher 39:26 education because I'm kind of in that. At the same time we 39:28 have people who are only practitioners and they don't 39:32 want new ideas, right? This is where the marriage of these two 39:36 has to happen. New ideas need to be put into practice and when 39:41 you put them into practice you learn new ideas. 39:44 Sounds like following Jesus. 39:47 I'm not done yet. It is, it is right? And this is thinkers and 39:51 doers right? So then this web that ties them together one 39:57 piece of that is a reflection where you reflect on the ideas 40:02 you think about it, you think about your practice, how did 40:04 that go, how do I do it better? And then the second piece of 40:08 this web is small groups, small community, um larger community 40:13 working with a variety of professors, eight, nine 40:17 professors in our department to work with each with different 40:21 approaches and a variety of perspectives that really help to 40:27 fill it out that community. And then when you join the program 40:31 you get into a small group of people who are like minded, 40:34 interested in that same ministry learning those same things and 40:38 putting it together in that small group. And so you have 40:42 reflection happening in the small group, you have ideas 40:44 happening in the small group, you have practice happening in 40:47 the small group and these pieces, these four components 40:52 work together to be filled and built on the basis of the Holy 40:57 Spirit. When God is involved with the new ideas then you find 41:02 truth. When you put them into practice you see love in action. 41:05 And this prayerful attitude of reflection and the social church 41:12 body like...It's a program like none other. As you know I have 41:18 read the book Education several times. It's one of my favorites. 41:21 This program more than any other I've been involved with, I've 41:27 been involved with a lot of programs, has these components 41:30 working as like this engine and they're firing on each cylinder 41:36 and they're working to motivate and strengthen and quite 41:39 literally we have people saying this program has changed my life 41:45 and I don't mean just my leadership. It has changed my 41:48 leadership but when I go home I'm a different person. 41:52 (Praise God) and I really believe you know these four 41:57 components are essential but if it's not built on truth in love 42:03 from scripture and the ministry of the Holy Spirit in our lives 42:07 these components are bare, they're built on sand rather 42:12 than rock. And so we need the components and I'm a big fan, 42:18 I'm a big fan. I'm just like... they don't pay me extra, I am 42:24 just a big fan of the leadership program, lots of different... 42:28 and to have this new social innovation is just...it's 42:32 another component of making this very, very complete. 42:35 I know we want to get to some scripture but I just want to say 42:39 one thing. I would see in my mind anyway besides the young 42:44 people who are looking for a direction or if you're a 42:49 business owner, but I'm thinking about every pastor, elders, I'm 42:54 thinking about people in the conference who are like you were 42:59 saying, Erich. Here God had called you. You got your 43:02 theology degree. You're preaching, you're teaching, 43:07 but it's like, Lord how do I reach these people on their 43:10 level which is what Jesus always did first. That's what He did. 43:17 I'm going to turn it over to you Sung Kwon. 43:20 Well I tell you I believe that we are disciples first then 43:25 teacher. Disciple first then a carpenter or professor or a 43:29 conference president, whichever. So we are called to follow Jesus 43:35 Christ to fulfill His redemptive work on earth and he has said 43:41 clearly, Luke chapter 4 verses 18 and 19. When you look at the 43:49 whole Bible text, The Spirit, I think we will have a screen up 43:54 but you can actually...let me read that for you just for now. 44:21 and then the verse 19 he continues talking about 44:26 fulfilling the year of the Lord's favor which is a Jubilee. 44:30 So when you look at God's mission or engagement work you 44:34 can actually conceptualize in three major components. First, 44:39 He came to proclaim the good news of salvation and He came to 44:43 demonstrate God's merciful, graceful love. And then He came 44:49 to fulfill that Jubilee in the year of the Lord's favor. This 44:55 is I call in a restorative justice, reconnecting people 44:59 with God, reconnecting people with their families and 45:02 neighbors and communities. So through this social innovation 45:07 degree program, we want to equip Christians to do just that, 45:11 God's work. In a way, we are focusing on God's mission of 45:16 work. We will be a relevant church in our communities and 45:19 wherever we are. 45:21 And like I said at the beginning too many of us, we get together 45:24 for church and it becomes more like a social club. Just, you 45:30 know you're studying what the Jewish people did. I mean God 45:33 called them to share and they didn't. They kind of huddled in 45:39 and stayed to themselves and if we don't learn Jesus' method 45:45 of going out and reaching people The right arm of the gospel we 45:50 talk about is the ministry of healing. But that's not just 45:54 physical healing. We've got to reach people where their need is 45:59 and then once they see us. Dr. Oh help me honey, Brian Schwartz 46:08 was here the other day and he was saying that he was at a 46:15 ministry where they had the tents up and free dentistry, 46:18 free doctors and all this. What is it and he said, what is it 46:22 (Pathway to Health) Pathway to Health. Thank you. 46:24 Anyway he said this man 46:26 came in and he said, you don't get paid to do this? He said no. 46:31 He said, You're church doesn't pay you. No. He said, The city's 46:36 not paying you. And he said No. And the guy said, Why do you do 46:40 this? And he said, Because God loves people and you know 46:44 what the man said 46:46 to him, I don't know what church you belong to but I want to join 46:51 it. When we show God's love and we demonstrate love is meant 46:58 to be demonstrated. It's love in action. 47:02 Yeah, I tell you this is... everybody has a story of COVID 47:08 right? You've been through this and so COVID happened and the 47:11 churches closed and so there I am sitting with my wife and the 47:17 computer screen and my son and we're watching. And I'm thinking 47:22 myself and this happens again and it's months. So of all the 47:28 important things that happen inside of the church experience 47:35 like what's the most crucial? And I think what we did, I just 47:41 kept seeing you know we're doing sermons and it's good. I mean 47:46 it's good. It's new ideas. Right It's new ideas. Where's the 47:50 practice. Where's the practice of these new ideas. And the 47:54 churches are created not for us right? I mean yes, yes they are 48:01 but we are created as part of this discipleship right through 48:06 to bless. 48:08 Well the pastors but fivefold ministry as you go through it 48:11 they are to equip the saints to go out and do the work. 48:14 The ministry, yeah. 48:15 Yeah we're to minister. 48:17 And the churches need to be about this ministry. So in my 48:20 mind I was thinking, something's got to change. Something's got 48:23 to change. It's like, it's like I didn't want to go back to 48:26 church the way it was before. It's like I wanted something 48:31 different and more and like I have...like I don't want to fall 48:37 back into that trap of just the social club. You know, well the 48:41 people, it was great, it's fantastic. It's like there was 48:44 something inside of me saying if I go back then maybe I'll 48:48 fall back into that and I don't want to because it's so 48:52 comfortable and I needed to be uncomfortable. 48:55 A. W. Tozer, you probably know that author, he has a famous 48:59 quote, you've probably heard it several times. He says, in 49:03 today's church if the Holy Spirit were withdrawn from the 49:07 church 95 percent of what we're doing would go on an no one 49:10 would notice the difference. But in contrast he says, in the New 49:15 Testament church had the Holy Spirit been withdrawn 95 percent 49:20 of what they were doing would have stopped and everybody would 49:25 have known the difference. 49:27 In fact, someone told me that church begins at the end of a 49:33 worship service. 49:34 Ooo, that's good. I like that. 49:36 The people over the three years of the pandemic contacted me 49:42 saying what do we do? How can we do ministry? Church is closed. 49:45 So I said, well due to the pandemic church might be closed 49:49 but mission of our Lord Jesus Christ never closed. You can 49:54 serve as you go about, as you go to the grocery store, as you go 49:58 to the bank, as you go to the school, as you go to the work. 50:01 We serve, that's why God called us. He said I came not to be 50:06 served but to serve. So we are called by God, saved by God, 50:12 commended by God to serve God and God's people anywhere and 50:18 any time and that ministry does not stop because of the pandemic 50:22 Amen. Okay so what we're going to do. We're going to have to 50:26 wind this up. I want to give you...We'll be back in just a 50:30 second for a closing thought but I want to give you a way to get 50:33 in touch, that's my Texas coming out, gettin' hold of but Andrews 50:40 University has this new masters program, Leadership, and Social 50:46 Innovation and it is a 16-hour credit on-line program so here's 50:52 how you can get in touch with these wonderful men and become 50:59 a part of it: 51:00 If you would like to contact or know more about Andrews 51:04 University Leadership Department you can write to them at Andrews 51:09 University, Berrien Springs, MI You can also call them at 51:13 (269) 471-6580 51:24 You can also visit the website at andrews.edu/go/LeadSI 51:32 You can also email them at leader@andrews.edu 51:40 ♪ ♪ |
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