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00:05 I want to spend my life Mending broken people. 00:14 I want to spend my life removing pain. 00:23 Lord let my words heal a heart that's hurt 00:35 I want to spend my life Mending broken people. 00:57 ♪ ♪ 01:07 Hello friends. Ryan Day here at 3ABN Ministries and we want to 01:10 welcome you to 3ABN Today and we have a special, special 01:15 program for you today. You're not going to want to change the 01:18 channel. In fact, you have an opportunity here to gather your 01:20 friends, your family, coworkers, enemies, everyone to join us at 01:25 this time because you're going to want to see what we have for 01:28 you during this hour. We have Lineage Journey with us. We're 01:31 going to be talking about the great program Lineage. If you've 01:35 it on 3ABN, maybe you've seen it on YouTube or other media 01:39 outlets as well. It's a blessing such a blessing. And we've got 01:43 Adam Ramdin and Clive Coutet with us. We're going to be 01:45 joining them here in a second, these two gentlemen, via Skype. 01:50 How you guys doing? 01:51 Good thank you. 01:52 How you doing Adam? 01:54 Good, thank you. 01:56 Praise the Lord, Praise the Lord We're going to be spending some 01:58 time with them in just a few moments and gathering some new 02:02 updates and some exciting information about the new 02:05 Lineage season in just a moment and what they're doing in this 02:08 powerful ministry. But before we get to them, before we jump into 02:11 our conversation, we're going to have a blessing brought to us by 02:15 Brother Tim Parton. He's going to be playing for us 02:17 Power in the Blood. 02:23 ♪ ♪ 05:25 Amen, Praise the Lord. Man Tim. Nobody plays it like Tim. Thank 05:30 you Tim for that special blessing. Power in the Blood. 05:34 Praise the Lord. Well my friends if you're just now tuning in 05:36 you're watching 3ABN Today and we have a very, very special 05:40 program for you during this hour We have Lineage Journey in the 05:44 house with us today. We have Brothers Adam Ramdin and Clive 05:48 Coutet. How you guys doing? 05:49 Well thanks. 05:51 All right wonderful. It's a blessing to have you. 05:54 Doing well thank you, Doing well 05:55 Praise the Lord. Now I'm going to start with you Adam. You are 05:59 the executive director of Lineage Journey. I'm sure many 06:02 people watching, they see you, that your face looks familiar 06:05 but there may be many viewers right now that are watching that 06:08 don't know who you are or where you're from. Where are you 06:11 coming to us from right now? 06:12 I'm actually in England right now so it's amazing. With this 06:17 technology we don't have to be there so it's very nice when we 06:20 do get a chance to be there. So I'm in England. I live and work 06:23 here for the church here in England and I work currently as 06:27 an evangelism director for the North England Conference over 06:32 here in England. That's kind of my day job. Lineage is what we 06:36 do in our spare time, so to speak on holidays or on the side. And 06:40 it's just a privilege to be involved in both ministries. 06:44 Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, Amen. And Clive Coutet. 06:48 You are coming to us from where? 06:50 So I'm coming from Weimar, California. I serve as the media 06:56 director here at Weimar University. And so like Adam 06:59 Lineage is my nighttime job and my daytime job is here working 07:03 on the campus with the students. 07:05 Got you, got you. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. So Adam 07:08 you are the executive director of the Lineage Journey and Clive 07:13 you are the media director as well. And my goodness. I mean 07:17 I really don't even know what words to use to describe how 07:22 incredible this project is. I don't even know if project is 07:25 the right word to use. I mean, it's an incredible thing that 07:30 you guys are doing with this. I find myself just sitting down 07:33 watching episode after episode after episode of this. I guess 07:36 that's what you would call them right, different episodes in a 07:38 very large season and so and you have multiple seasons but before 07:43 we go any further let's talk about Lineage Journey. Adam I'm 07:47 going to come to you first. What is Lineage for those who may not 07:50 know. What in the world... Someone who might be tuning in 07:53 right now wondering what in the world is Lineage. What are they 07:55 talking about? So tell us a little bit about that. 07:57 You could sum it up now I think as a ministry that seeks to 08:04 provide educational resources to people in the form of videos 08:08 a website or articles to educate people on their past lineage, 08:14 where they come from. So it's important I believe for us today 08:18 in understanding our purpose in the present time and know where 08:22 we're going for the future to know where we have come from in 08:24 the past. So Lineage aims to help people on that journey. 08:28 Where do we come from, why are we here, and where are we going? 08:31 And so primarily we started off producing videos. That was the 08:36 first thing we did. Clive was a videographer and he approached 08:39 me and say hey let's make some videos together. So that's kind 08:42 of where we started. You probably could say initially we 08:44 started just as a project but it's kind of grown since the 08:47 early days and it's grown beyond what we imagined it to be and 08:51 beyond what we thought it would be but we give God the praise 08:55 for that and thank Him. 08:57 Wow, praise the Lord. And so Clive I understand you guys have 09:01 now I guess in your third season We're going to talk a little bit 09:04 about that a little bit more here in a second but there's a 09:06 Season 1 and a Season 2 so tell us a little bit about what 09:09 Season 1 and Season 2 are about and how we can get in contact to 09:13 watch those. 09:15 Sure. So Season 1 was initially started when it was approaching 09:20 the 500 year anniversary of the reformation. So you know Season 09:25 1 predominantly covers the whole of the reformation. And then 09:29 Season 2 the reformation continued so you look at how the 09:33 message left Europe you know through the Mayflower and 09:38 through the Puritans ended up in America and how that message 09:41 kind of blossomed and grew and how that turned into the Advent 09:45 message and how the Advent message then went back around 09:47 the world. So you could really say the Season 2 is an Adventist 09:50 history. Season 3 we kind of went all the way back to the 09:54 beginning and we focus on the Bible. You know some of these 09:58 placed in the Bible that we read about in Genesis and Exodus and 10:02 Leviticus in the Old Testament and New Testament. They're 10:04 legitimate places that still exist today so we've gone back 10:08 to some of those places and tried to tell the story in a 10:11 visual way, almost like a visual Bible study of experiences that 10:18 people went through and those locations right now. 10:19 Wow, that's amazing. So though kind of that same note that you 10:24 were just speaking of maybe Adam you can chime in on this one 10:26 So you began this about five years ago and so this thing has 10:30 just morphed and grew into a machine, I mean, it's amazing 10:34 what you guys have been able to do with this project. So tell us 10:37 a little bit, maybe expound a little bit more on what you guys 10:40 have been doing as of recent, lately. 10:42 Yes, so as I mentioned we had Season 1 and then we had Season 10:47 2. That was reformation/ Adventist history. And then we 10:51 wanted to go back in time. So Season 3 is the history of the 10:56 Bible. Right. Not the history of the book but the story of the 11:00 Bible I should probably say. So we started in Genesis with 11:03 creation and we split Season 3 up into four mini seasons, each 11:10 one mirrors, if you're familiar for our viewers who are 11:14 familiar, with a book in the Conflict of the Ages, so 11:16 Patriarchs and Prophets, Prophets and Kings, Desire of 11:19 Ages, and Acts of the Apostles. Each on there, each section, 11:23 there's two in the Old Testament two in the New Testament. We had 11:26 Creation to Kings which is Patriarchs and Prophets. We had 11:30 Kings to Captivity which is Prophets and Kings. And then we 11:33 have Manger to Messiah which is Desire of Ages and then we have 11:36 Pentecost to Patmos which is the Acts of the Apostles so. And 11:41 then we also have one on the seven churches of Revelation as 11:44 well, an eight-part series on the seven churches. That was our 11:50 Season 3 which was about 70 episodes in total but we 11:52 broke it down into smaller sections just because I think 11:55 Clive wanted a break in the editing job and understandably 11:58 rather than just go for 70 weeks straight. We've kind of 12:01 broken that one down and released those as mini series 12:06 as opposed to like a 52 part series. I think after the first 12:09 two series we were like maybe 52 is a lot so let's break it 12:14 smaller. 12:16 Yeah man 52, but that's awesome I mean it's like an episode per 12:19 week right? So that really, really cool. So talk a little 12:22 about, I mean, Season 1 you know reformation. Season 2 you 12:28 kind of go into reformation continued as you said there. 12:32 So coming into this third season and this new material that 12:34 you're doing, what thought process, what inspiration comes 12:38 in mind to choose to go back and now tell the story of the 12:42 Bible. I mean when you're deciding on what content to 12:46 produce for a third season, what was your inspiration behind that 12:48 I think it was that we kind of covered some of the book Great 12:53 Controversy in our first season and so even though we're 12:57 definitely not archeologists and we're definitely 12:59 not like Biblical 13:01 experts at all the Season 3 is really telling the story of the 13:04 Bible that if someone wanted to they could start you know 13:08 at the beginning of the Bible and kind of follow a narrative 13:10 that goes through history and see the great controversy at 13:13 work in the Old Testament and the New Testament and people 13:17 could get a gist of what are the major themes in the Bible, what 13:20 are the major themes in early church, reformation and 13:24 Adventist history. Kind of complete all facets of time 13:29 really. And that was the idea to kind of go back which maybe if 13:33 we'd planned this around a committee table we would have 13:35 done Season 3 first. But you know there's is how it came 13:40 Right. Usually that's how it works out, right? You end up 13:43 having to back track. It's been awesome and one thing that I 13:48 love about this Lineage Journey that you guys are 13:49 taking us through 13:50 is brother the locations that you go on and the spots that you 13:55 are at and the graphics and the footage that you guys are 13:59 getting, all the different places that you're actually on 14:01 location. So for this particular series, this new series, where 14:05 did you travel, where did your travels take you for this new 14:08 one. 14:10 Well some of the places that we went to, initially we started 14:14 filming right before the pandemic in 2019. We started 14:17 filming in Egypt, Israel and Jordan and then kind of a couple 14:25 of weeks before the pandemic started we ended up going to 14:28 Malta and Greece. And actually when the pandemic really started 14:31 we actually had to leave Greece and head back home. And then 14:35 toward the end of the pandemic in 2020, toward the end of 2020, 14:40 we ended up going to Turkey. That's where we really focused 14:43 on the seven churches. Turkey was a relatively open country. 14:47 The rules of COVID were a little bit less restrictive so we were 14:50 able to get into Turkey and cover a series on the seven 14:53 churches. And it actually worked out really well because tourism 14:57 was quite, you know, down across the country, well across the 15:02 world because of the pandemic. So we went to a lot of these 15:04 sites and the places were just empty. So it was almost like we 15:07 had these locations to ourselves. Actually we have one 15:12 of our videos that we're going to be showing shortly on the 15:15 seven churches of Revelation and that's probably one of my 15:18 favorite episodes. It was one of my favorite locations as well. 15:21 It's on Laodicea but that was kind of hard to film and 15:25 schedule worked. We still have a couple of more places to go to 15:28 to finish the season off. We have to go to Patmos and we have 15:32 to go to Rome. But aside from that you know we've pretty much 15:37 managed to cover the majority of the locations. But you know 15:40 coronavirus and the pandemic have really held us back in some 15:43 respects. 15:44 Yeah, yeah, now I'm glad you brought that up because I 15:47 noticed some of the videos, my wife and I were watching it. We 15:50 were like how'd they manage to get all this footage with like 15:54 no one, no one in the background And so that makes sense now. You 15:57 guys were filming this during the pandemic. That must have 15:59 brought on some challenges. What were some of the...I'm sure 16:01 there were other challenges you guys ran into during that time. 16:04 Talk a little bit about that, having to film all of this on 16:10 site during a pandemic? 16:13 Yeah I mean a bunch in 2019 wasn't the pandemic and 16:17 sometimes as you mentioned we don't have other people around. 16:19 That's because we get up at ridiculous hours of the morning 16:23 and try and get to places before the people get there which is 16:28 one of our challenges of filming But during the pandemic like 16:31 Clive mentioned, there was less people around there. It was just 16:33 a lot easier. Especially the seven churches. The only one 16:36 that was a challenge was Ephesus because it's just the most 16:39 tourist location of all the seven churches and we did have 16:41 to wait in between people a lot there. But the other six 16:45 churches there was basically no one there quite literally. 16:49 Maybe a few in Pergamus and then that was it. In Laodicea when we 16:52 went to film that I think there was about another three people 16:55 on the location apart from our team and so we literally had the 17:00 place to ourselves and could get amazing shots and amazing 17:03 B roll and_cutaways with just the original stuff 17:10 to people with cameras running about in the background. 17:13 Wow, wow that's amazing. 17:15 Actually, I have a video of Laodicea. Maybe now's a good 17:18 time to launch into that. 17:19 Yeah let's go ahead and play that Laodicean video right now. 17:22 ♪ ♪ 17:41 Laodicea was located about 40 miles from Philadelphia and 100 17:45 miles east of Ephesus and it was founded by Antiochus II and made 17:50 in honor of his wife, Laodice, who incidentally later poisoned 17:54 him. It was located on the Lycus River and was about eight miles 17:59 from Colossae to whom the book of Colossians was written and 18:01 was at a crux of two major Roman roads. It was an incredibly 18:05 wealthy city. It had a large banking center with large 18:10 manufacturing interests. When Laodicea was destroyed by an 18:18 earthquake in A.D. 60 they refused outside aid and rebuilt 18:22 the city at their own expense. Such self-sufficiency was rare 18:26 and made the city famous. It was also famous for a valuable wool 18:31 that was found in the valley that was soft in texture and 18:33 black in color which meant that Laodicean s almost exclusively 18:37 wore black as evidence of their wealth. It was also an important 18:41 school of medicine located in the temple of Carura and 18:45 connected to the school was an industry for the manufacture of 18:48 a special eye medicine, collyrium made from a famous pyrogen 18:54 stone. Laodicea was a successful and well-ordered city with proud 19:02 arrogant and self-satisfied inhabitants. They were 19:05 accustomed to leisure, pleasure and entertainment as evidenced 19:09 by the ruins of the amphitheaters which remain here 19:11 to this day. Jesus begins His message to the church and gives 19:17 them no affirmation. He tells them that they're neither hot 19:18 nor cold but they're lukewarm. This analogy would have been 19:26 familiar to them. Hot water from the nearby spring here in 19:30 Hierapolis was pumped down to them by an aqueduct and pipes. 19:34 Today you can see the remnants of these aqueducts and pipes 19:37 with the mineral deposit inside them. By the time the water 19:40 reached Laodicea it was lukewarm, good for nothing. 19:44 Lukewarm water, Jesus said, I will spew out of my mouth and if 19:49 you remain in this state I will vomit you out. There is nothing 19:56 worse than a half-hearted Christian. If you are 20:00 spiritually hot then you are on fire for God. If you are cold 20:03 then there is at least the idea that whilst you are not walking 20:07 with God, you are aware that you are not. But if you are lukewarm 20:10 you think you're doing good but the reality is far from it. 20:15 Laodicea's spiritual condition was such that they think they're 20:19 rich, increased in goods and have need of nothing. But their 20:23 level of self-awareness is non- existent and they don't know 20:26 that they're wretched, miserable poor, blind and naked. 20:34 The counsel to Laodicea is interesting and even included 20:37 things they thought they already had or were the opposite of what 20:41 they had. They were a banking sense and they were counseled 20:43 to buy gold tried in the fire, They had an eye clinic and yet 20:48 they were told to anoint their eyes with eye salve. They prided 20:51 themselves on their black clothes and yet they were told 20:54 to get white raiment. The gold tried in the fire is symbolic of 21:00 faith in the furnace of affliction, the eye salve is 21:04 spiritual discernment and the white raiment represents the 21:07 righteousness of Christ that we need to clothe ourself in. 21:12 The name Laodicea means a people judged and we take time period 21:18 for this church to be from 1844 to the second coming during the 21:23 time period of the judgment and is directly relevant to us today 21:26 The message to the Laodicean s ends with a beautiful appeal. 21:30 Jesus is standing and knocking at the door of our hearts. He 21:34 doesn't' force His way in though. He, the person on the outside, 21:38 is the one taking the initiative pressing the door, pleading for 21:42 entrance. Salvation is a personal matter and we must open 21:47 our hearts to Him personally. The Bible says if any man hear 21:50 His voice and opens the door, I will come in and sup with Him. 21:54 Not only will He sup with us but the Bible says we can sit on His 21:58 throne with Him. Jesus longs for an intimate relationship with us 22:02 If He is knocking at the door of your heart, then open the door 22:06 and let Him come in. 22:08 ♪ ♪ 22:18 Wow, wow. Just seeing, that is so cool. So I got to ask you, 22:24 obviously that video clip that we just watched there was about, 22:27 I don't know, five minutes or so So how long does it take you 22:31 guys to make, to film, something like that when you're on site 22:35 there? 22:36 I guess it really depends sometimes. We're quite a low 22:43 budget team so for example when we did season 1 sometime we were 22:46 in a setting for no more than two hours before we have to move 22:49 on So we have to get dialogue. the B roll, we have to get all of 22:52 that stuff done before we leave so it really depends. You know, 22:57 for Laodicea episode we spent I guess a couple of hours in the 23:02 evening right before sunset there and then the next day we 23:05 went to Hierapolis. So I would say to get it done properly and 23:10 on the location, a half a day would be ideal but due to time 23:16 schedules and due to trying to get to places quickly and trying 23:18 to get enough crammed in for the time that we have available 23:21 sometimes two hours is all that we need. 23:23 Wow, that's amazing, that's amazing. So do you ever when 23:28 you're almost at sites do you ever stop and just take it in. 23:30 Because I'm looking at all of that behind you there as you're 23:33 looking over I mean the city of Laodicea. And it's like you're 23:39 pretty much there alone by your self. Was there anybody else 23:42 or was it just you two guys? 23:46 Yeah, it was just awesome our team members. I think there were 23:50 10 of us on the trip. So I had my wife and my kids and Adam had 23:54 his wife also. And there was a couple of other people who were 23:57 helping out doing the filming and the behind the scenes. 24:00 And sound and things like that. And some are taking it in. 24:04 Sometimes from my experience is when you're there you're just in 24:08 you know video mode. You don't get a chance to take it in. 24:12 Often I take it in when I'm either driving towards the 24:15 location or driving away the location. Or sometime when I'm 24:18 at home or back in wherever we're staying you know dumping 24:23 the footage and putting it on the hard drive, I'm thinking wow 24:25 I was just there. You know it's not always easy to be in the 24:29 moment and take it all in but you know you try to take things 24:32 in when you can and try to teach my kids a few life lessons when 24:35 we're there, when we're able to. 24:37 That is so cool, that is so cool And I can imagine you know 24:42 especially in the day that we're living in and we, I know here at 24:46 3ABN we understand the production cycle pretty well 24:49 that sometimes challenges can arise and put a halt on 24:52 production. But did you guys experience any delays or any 24:58 challenges while you were filming on site at some of these 25:01 places. Maybe you could tell us a little bit about that. That's 25:03 interesting to me. 25:05 Yeah, Ephesus was the worst. There were so many tourists and 25:14 the iconic shot of the Celsius Library in Ephesus and we had 25:22 got there in the morning super early and we should have gone 25:27 straight to the Celsus Library but we went to the Amphitheater 25:29 and after about 15 minutes that was it. The Celsus Library was 25:32 tourist after tourist. Everyone wanted an Instagram shot. 25:38 And we couldn't get a clean shot and then I was kind of done, I 25:44 was so hot. It was like 100 degrees. Anyway we finished the 25:49 whole episode but some of the other guys on the team weren't 25:54 happy as the footage wasn't as clean as possible. So we ended 25:57 up going back another day on the Sunday because we had the 26:00 afternoon off, afternoon free to film that one paragraph again 26:04 And as we got there we got there at 5 o'clock and sunset was at 7 26:09 and we were just waiting for an hour and a half just for people 26:12 to clear up, get out of there. Finally after an hour and a half 26:17 of waiting we got to go and do our two, or three or four minutes 26:21 of filming and got the clean footage with no tourist in the 26:25 background and so on. But it was probably the longest we've 26:29 waited for a shot and thankfully we had the time to wait that 26:33 time but it was just...As he said, Ephesus was tough. 26:38 The heat - Super hot and overcrowded. I don't know what 26:44 it could be if it wasn't a pandemic. 26:45 Was that your experience as well Clive? 26:50 Yeah I would say that was a similar experience. I mean, I 26:54 would say Ephesus was the most challenging just because people 26:57 know it so much so it's a tourist hot spot. You go to some 27:01 of these other locations and I would say the scenery around 27:04 them is more breathtaking to go to Pergamus or Laodicea for 27:07 example and the scenery around them is just breathtaking and 27:10 you wonder like where isn't there as many people here, but 27:13 it's just because the architecture in Ephesus is so 27:18 intact that it's just a tourist hot spot and the Celsus Library 27:22 is stunning and the facade of it is still standing today. So I 27:27 think that's why people go there where everywhere else was 27:31 relatively a lot easier. 27:32 Wow! Praise the Lord, Praise the Lord. Incredible, incredible and 27:38 I'm sure it takes a while, Clive I mean I know you're the media 27:41 director so you're the one kind of behind the scenes doing all 27:43 of the editing. I mean, I hear the music and you see just the 27:46 incredible editing job you've done there. So just for one of 27:49 those, just for one little five- minute video like we just saw 27:52 there about how much time do you invest just in that one episode? 27:56 So each episode probably takes me between one to two days. So 28:02 really depends on the type. Ones that are more graphic heavy take 28:05 a bit longer. Interestingly I was struggling for time to edit 28:09 the Laodicean, oh sorry, the seven churches series and I got 28:14 struck with coronavirus back in 2020 so I got put in quarantine 28:21 away from family, because my wife was pregnant at the time 28:23 and I spent a good 10 days isolated from everybody and I 28:27 spent a good 10 days editing the seven churches of Revelation 28:31 series. So I got all eight episodes done in that time. 28:33 But yeah, it does take a lot of time to get some of these things 28:39 done. People don't realize just how much time goes into just 28:41 five and a half minutes or five minutes. 28:43 It's amazing, Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I don't think people 28:47 really understand just how complex the process is, but... 28:50 Let's talk about this Bible series because I started 28:52 watching the Bible series. Man! It's so good. It's so good. So 28:59 talking about how you're going to tell the story of the Bible 29:01 You know you're capturing, on location again, all these 29:06 different scenes pertaining to these special Bible characters 29:09 Bible events. So talk a little bit about this new Bible series 29:13 that you guys are recording and how it's impacted you 29:16 individually. 29:17 Yeah, I've really enjoyed it because I had been to Israel 29:25 before on a Bible trip but this time filmed this we got to go to 29:28 Egypt, I haven't been there, and Jordan, I haven't been there. 29:31 It's a privilege to get to go to these places even if as you 29:33 mentioned earlier, we don't always take it in at the time. 29:36 But there were some beautiful countries and beautiful places 29:39 that when you think about what happened there, what events took 29:45 place there especially when they're away from the place, 29:49 it's always nice to have a moment of reflection. We, as 29:53 we're telling the story some of the episodes we don't actually 29:57 have physical locations for. We don't know exactly where that 30:01 event happened. But there's other episodes where we do know 30:04 what happened. We have the... For example, we did an episode on 30:11 John the Baptist. I think we're going to show one of these 30:12 videos in a minute, where we went to the Celsus Library. We don't 30:15 don't know if he was there but we know he was similar to the 30:21 Essenes who were there. And we also go to the place where he 30:24 was killed, the fortress where Herod would have been and 30:29 Herodias would have danced before him. And to be there. 30:32 And that place is completely empty. Tourists really don't go 30:35 there. It's on the top of a mountain. It overlooks the Dead 30:38 Sea from the opposite side of Israel and so you can look 30:42 across, see the whole of the Dead Sea, you can see the whole 30:45 of Israel. You can look across the hills and see Jerusalem in 30:48 the distance. It's a sight of beauty, like really beautiful, 30:52 but yet it's also the site where John the Baptist, one of the 30:56 greatest prophets had his head chopped off and had his life 31:01 ended in a very lonely and a very gruesome manner. And so 31:06 it's sometimes mixed in these places. You have the beauty of 31:09 the places you're going. You have the beautiful place you're 31:11 going and the privilege to be there. And yet sometime the 31:15 sites may have a mixed history and it causes time for 31:20 reflection and pondering as you go. 31:21 Right, right. Wow. Well on that note why don't we go to that 31:26 video clip that you have on John the Baptist. Jesus called John 31:30 the Baptist the greatest of the prophets. So let's see that 31:32 particular episode. 31:35 ♪ ♪ 31:59 John the Baptist was born to Zachariah and Elizabeth and was 32:01 to play an important role in the life of Jesus. His parents 32:05 received word of his impending birth from an angel but his 32:08 father initially doubted the promise. He temporarily lost the 32:12 ability to speak until the birth of his son. John the Baptist was 32:16 born during a time of tremendous upheaval in Israel where there'd 32:19 been strong tension with their Roman rulers. And the spiritual 32:23 stay of Israel was in dire straits. John was called to be 32:28 a reformer. As the son of a priest the natural order of 32:39 things would have been for him to go and train in the 32:41 rabbinical school of his day. But this would have unfitted him 32:44 for his work. Instead of being sent to learn under the theology 32:47 teachers God sent him to the desert to learn in nature. He 32:51 gave up the luxury of home life for the stern discipline of the 32:55 wilderness, a life of simplicity and self-denial. He wore the 32:59 garments of the ancient prophets camel's hair, and ate locusts 33:03 and wild honey, things that were found in the wilderness. In the 33:13 the first century A.D. there was group of people living in Qumran 33:17 called the Essenes. They were a sect of Jews who lived a very 33:20 strict and solitary life. It was in the cave of Qumran in 1946 33:26 when a shepherd boy found the Dead Sea Scrolls. Even though 33:29 there is no hard evidence to suggest that John the Baptist 33:32 was an Essene there are some similarities between his life 33:36 and their lifestyle and it's likely, though not proven, that 33:39 he came in contact with them. John the Baptist was called to 33:52 the voice crying in the wilderness and was to prepare 33:55 the way for Jesus to come. John the Baptist called the nation to 34:00 repentance at a time when it needed it most and practiced his 34:04 baptism here in the River Jordan. John preached prior to 34:06 Jesus' public ministry and it was John who baptized Jesus in 34:10 the river Jordan. As Jesus' ministry now started and 34:14 increased the crowd started to follow him and slowly the crowds 34:17 who followed John the Baptist decreased. John's disciples 34:27 though were jealous at this situation and came to him but he 34:30 gave no ear to their complaints or had sympathy with their 34:33 dissatisfaction. He knew what his mission was and what Jesus' 34:37 mission was and he said in John 3 verse 30: He must increase but 34:42 I must decrease. John the Baptist did not have any selfish 34:46 ambition in him at all. His life though would sadly come to 34:50 an end here on this mountaintop at the hands of Herodias, King 34:54 Herod's wife. He had rebuked the king for taking his brother 35:05 Philip's wife. Herodias was very resentful of him and wanted him 35:09 killed but Herod feared the people and would not harm him. 35:12 One night she threw a party for him and her daughter Salome 35:17 danced before him. With a mind clouded by alcohol, he promised 35:21 he would give her whatever she asked. She went and asked her 35:25 mother and her mother said, the head of John the Baptist on 35:28 a platter. It was thus that the light of one of the greatest 35:31 prophets came to an end. They were here in the fortress of 35:36 Herod where the sad story took place. John the Baptist knew 35:46 what his mission in life was and he did this faithfully. He did 35:50 not try to be someone else and neither was he jealous of 35:53 others when they achieved success because he knew that 35:57 their mission was not his mission. Sometimes in life we 36:00 get so mixed up and want things that aren't ours whether that's 36:03 material possessions or position May we have confidence in our 36:08 sense of identity in Jesus Christ and a sense of assurance 36:11 of who we are in Him. 36:16 ♪ ♪ 36:19 Wow Praise the Lord. Man these videos are so good. You guys 36:23 have done such a fantastic job with producing them and the 36:26 content is just golden. So yeah man that is amazing. John the 36:31 Baptist. So being there on the scene where these events very 36:35 well could have taken place. What was going through your mind 36:38 as you're filming this and as you're standing there in that 36:41 area? 36:42 Ha! What was going on through my mind. Sorry I didn't know who 36:44 that was directed to. But I mean I think for me just being in 36:50 that location, just knowing that you kind of like had this moment 36:53 where you're like wow, read this in the text, I'm actually just 36:56 standing right here right now like this is where John the 36:58 Baptist's life was ended. When we were actually there there was 37:02 a tour guide, he took us down and he potentially showed us 37:05 some places where he would have been imprisoned where there was 37:08 kind of these chains still attached to the wall and you 37:13 kind of got this moment where you're just visualizing John the 37:16 Baptist just against the wall you know as the disciples 37:19 approached the door and you just have this wow moment you know 37:23 and that's the only way to explain it. It's like wow, like 37:26 you can read this in the Bible and then you can physically see 37:31 it and this is the beauty of I believe of what our ministry 37:34 does. It connects the dots. It shows you that these things 37:36 actually exist still today. These are not just made up 37:39 stories. These locations and places still exist to this day. 37:43 So you know I have the privilege of actually being there. My kids 37:46 also had the privilege of being there and for them it's bringing 37:49 these stories to life. They're like wow Daddy, we did this for 37:52 family worship and then you know I actually get to experience 37:55 this for myself. This is truth in front of me. 37:57 That's amazing, that's amazing. Yeah it wouldn't really benefit 38:03 you guys for me to be on that set because I love history and I 38:05 would just be in awe the whole time. We probably wouldn't get 38:07 any work done. That's got to be such an awesome feeling just 38:12 to be there on the live locations. So you guys, you know 38:15 you have released a lot of this content that's available but I 38:19 understand you guys have some new content and some new stuff 38:22 that's going to be being released in the near future. 38:25 Talk a little bit about what's coming for you guys because 38:28 you've done the series on the reformation, the Adventist 38:30 history, now this Bible series, the seven churches. Tell us a 38:33 little bit about what is to come and what we haven't seen yet 38:37 that will be released soon. 38:39 So we've had the Creation to Kings which was early 38:43 Old Testament 38:44 We've had Kings to Captivity which was latter Old Testament 38:48 that we haven't filmed all of that because of lockdown in some 38:51 countries. We have to go back and do about 6 episodes. We've 38:54 done Manger to Messiah and that one should all be released 38:59 now. The last miniseries is called Pentecost to Patmos. 39:02 We actually filmed most of this just before the pandemic. It was 39:08 March 2020 when we got out there to Greece, Greece? Just Greece. 39:14 and Malta and we filmed most of that there and then we also 39:17 filmed some of it just recently in Israel in last November and 39:22 so we filmed that one and that one should be coming out in the 39:25 summer of 2021 and onwards and so that still hasn't yet come 39:32 out though we filmed almost all of the footage. And so we're 39:36 forward to that but I really enjoy going to those places 39:38 going to where Paul...Maybe because that history is a little 39:42 bit closer and when you go to Philippi you know that you know 39:46 that that river going through Philippi is same river that went 39:48 through there that Paul baptized in and you go to some of these 39:53 places...they're...the history is a little bit newer than maybe 39:57 like even older in Egypt and places like that. But I really 40:02 enjoyed filming that one and like we said that one hasn't 40:07 been released yet as we're recording this interview 40:10 it hasn't been 40:12 released yet. Some of them are edited. I think Clive has sent 40:15 you one of 40:17 those videos to show as well. So maybe if the video comes out 40:19 before it's actually released 3ABN has an exclusive preview 40:22 to this episode. Which one, which of the episodes, Clive 40:26 that we included. 40:27 So the one that we're going to show to you is the one we shot 40:30 in Malta and parts of Athens as well. It's shipwreck in Malta 40:34 Notice again being in that location it was right before the 40:38 pandemic started. In fact, it was during the pandemic the 40:42 beginnings of it that as the world started to shut down we 40:45 had to frantically leave Greece and Malta to get back, myself to 40:49 the U.S. and Adam back to England. So we managed to get 40:52 all of that in right before the pandemic hit and I think Adam 40:55 mentioned that we'll be releasing these in the summer of 40:58 2022, not 2021, it's the summer of 2022 is when we're going to 41:03 be releasing these. 41:06 All right, all right. So we have one last video clip. I'm excited 41:08 about this one because this is, again, friends, one that has not 41:12 technically been released yet but this is Paul Shipwrecked. 41:15 Let's go to that video now. 41:17 ♪ ♪ 41:39 After Paul appealed to be heard by Caesar they needed to make 41:42 the long journey by boat across the Mediterranean Sea from 41:47 Caesarea in Israel across to Rome. A centurion named Julius 41:51 was put in charge of him but he did not travel this passage 41:55 alone. Two of his friends, Luke and Aristarchus, willingly went 41:59 with him to provide him with support and companionship 42:03 Paul's journeys as a free man were now over and he would never 42:08 see his home again. They traveled and stopped in Sidon 42:10 for a while. Then they traveled by Cypress and went to a city 42:14 called Myra where they boarded a large Alexandrian ship and 42:18 headed on their journey. They then sailed by Crete for some 42:30 protection but the seas were rough and it was slow going. 42:33 They docked for a while in a port called Fair Haven near the city 42:38 of Lasea and Paul advised them to stay there otherwise the 42:41 voyage would be a disaster, for them, their cargo and the ship. 42:46 The Centurion though listened to a majority of them who wanted to 42:50 leave for a more favorable port but as they left the winds blew 42:54 them southward. There were now at the mercy of the large waves 42:59 and the strong winds and they were unable to get their 43:02 bearings for over a week as the sun and the stars were not 43:06 visible for them to fix their positions. In the midst of this 43:09 storm though Paul assured them that they would all arrive in 43:13 Rome safely. And after 14 days of relentlessly fighting the 43:17 elements he encouraged them to eat some food for their 43:21 nourishment. The next day they saw land and headed towards it 43:30 but the ship ran aground. Roman law stated that if a ship ran 43:34 aground the prisoners could be killed for the prisoner escaped 43:39 on his way to shore the person who was assigned to look after 43:42 them would pay with their life. The Centurion however wanted to 43:47 save Paul and for the second time in Paul's life as a 43:51 prisoner his influence ensured that the other prisoners did not 43:55 escape even though they had opportunity to do so. Those who 43:59 could swim jumped overboard and swam to shore while those who 44:03 couldn't grabbed pieces of wood and finally everyone made it 44:07 safely to shore here in Malta. It is believed that this small 44:18 island with a statue of Paul just behind me located about 80 44:22 meters from the coast of the main island is where they first 44:25 set foot when they landed. The natives of the island made a 44:29 fire to warm the wet men and when Paul gathered some branches 44:33 to add to the fire and as he did so a viper fastened onto his arm 44:37 Everyone was expecting him to die. But he shook it off as if 44:41 nothing had happened further impressing in the minds of those 44:45 watching that this was no ordinary man. God was watching 44:49 over him. God had a special work for him to do in Rome and it 44:54 wasn't his destiny to die on this small island. Paul and the 45:03 rest of those on the ship spent three months here on Malta. 45:07 According to tradition, Paul spent his time in a cave today 45:11 known as St. Paul's Grotto, now the site of a church here in 45:15 Rabat. Wherever Paul was he was a true missionary and he made a 45:19 difference in the lives of the people that he met. One of the 45:22 leading citizens of the island was a man names Publius and he 45:26 had a father who was sick with a fever and Paul prayed for and 45:29 healed this man. The Cathedral of Mdina is built on the spot 45:34 where it's believed the house of Publius stood. The miraculous 45:42 journey of Paul and the safe passage of everyone on the ship 45:46 not just here from Malta but onward to Rome shows the power 45:51 of God but the part about the story I like the most is how the 45:55 love of God was manifested through the lives of Paul's 46:00 companions. Luke and Aristarchus endured a miserable time at 46:04 sea: Hunger and shipwreck just so they could be close to Paul 46:09 during this trying time in his life. May we support our friends 46:13 family and colleagues when they go through tough times, 46:18 especially when that means sacrificing some comforts 46:21 ourselves. 46:23 ♪ ♪ 46:28 Wow, praise the Lord. Man I just love the way you guys set these 46:32 videos up. Adam I love in the fact that when you're talking 46:36 it's not your typical you know documentary style you know calm. 46:42 I like how you have that intensity behind your voice and 46:45 of course the music just kind of keeps you on the edge of your 46:47 seat. The information is just golden. These videos are solid. 46:51 Brothers, I really, really enjoyed them. Just really 46:54 quickly before we get into what else you have to offer I just 46:56 have to ask, maybe you can just touch on really quickly, the 47:00 fact that I'm sure some people would say, Man, five minutes 47:02 isn't enough. We wish we had maybe 15 minutes or a half hour 47:06 or an hour. But what I do love the idea that you know in a busy 47:09 world that we're in now I'm sure you're getting some positive 47:12 feedback the fact that these are really quick snippets that 47:15 people can watch on the go, maybe driving down the road, 47:17 listening to it or just sit and watch multiple episodes as many 47:21 as they want, back to back. Talk a little bit about what you know 47:24 how you came to the conclusion or the decision to do just five 47:28 or four or five-minute videos. 47:29 Both speaking at once. 47:35 No, I'm sorry, go ahead. 47:36 It's designed really for social media age people whose attention 47:40 is short, just scrolling on their phone, YouTube or 47:43 Facebook or Instagram. And we'd like to 47:45 catch their attention, be really 47:47 quick and snappy. We do maybe have ideas to release 15 minutes 47:52 or longer things in the future but we just don't have time to 47:55 do that at the minute. For the minute, our niche is about a 48:00 5 minute video. We get as much information as we can packed in 48:02 but um it hits the mark where the videos are at the minute 48:09 Absolutely. Clive, I just want to just touch here. You guys 48:11 don't just do videos. That's the wonderful thing. I understand 48:14 you guys have some educational content as well beyond the 48:17 videos that people can have. So talk a little bit about these 48:21 educational resources that you have. 48:24 Yeah, so we have lots of things available. We've recently 48:27 launched a new podcast which kind of goes into some of these 48:30 episodes in more depth and detail when interviewing 48:33 specialists in their fields about their different topics and 48:35 they generally go on for about 15 minutes. So if you wanted to 48:39 hear more on a particular topic then you're able to listen to 48:42 the podcast. They're available on most podcast platforms as 48:46 well as the You Tube channel and on our website. We also have a 48:51 website we kind of designed to be an encyclopedia for Christian 48:56 history. So you can go in there, type something in our search bar 49:00 and you'll find articles videos, pictures and things like that 49:02 to deal with that relevant topic And we also have a new book that 49:07 we just released. It's a study guide on the reformation. 49:11 I believe we have some images that can be caught on the screen 49:15 as well, but these books basically walk you through our 49:19 Season 1, but they act as a study guide. So we have QR codes 49:22 that go to our video, we have discussion questions. We 49:25 have the history and it's really useful for kind of small groups 49:28 to be able to engage in some of this content. And some of the 49:32 other things that we have is we have coloring books for kids 49:35 that has the information as well as pictures as well as QR codes 49:39 And one of the last things available on our website is 49:42 we have a book called Women of the Reformation and it's written 49:48 by one of our team members and it's actually the basis of what 49:52 our next series after we finish with the Bible is going to be 49:54 about. It's called Sisters in Arms is the name, sorry, about 49:59 women of the reformation and that's going to be really a 50:03 series focusing a lot on the content of this book. There's 50:05 amazing stories that took place that many people don't know 50:08 about. For example, Martin Luther's wife, she escaped from 50:11 a nunnery in a basket full of fish and Martin Luther helped 50:17 her to escape, and you can imagine the smell, and ends up 50:19 marrying her eventually. And I think there were eight other 50:22 people that escaped with her. So we're going to be doing some 50:25 stuff of the reformation, just how in Europe and kind of taking 50:29 you back to where we began on Season 1 and the reformation. 50:33 And we also have plans to do the early church and kind of how the 50:37 gospel explosion happened after Acts and how the gospel kind of 50:43 went to some of the churches and countries around the world. 50:46 So that's what's coming. 50:49 Wow. Praise the Lord, Praise the Lord. That's all I can say man. 50:52 I'm so excited for you guys have done, what you're going to be 50:56 continuing to do. There's no doubt that what you're doing 51:00 the Lord is blessing and it has become such a blessing for so 51:03 many people including me. Like I said my wife and I just sit at 51:07 home and watch these episodes back to back and many of them 51:10 over and over because they're just so informative. I just want 51:12 to think you guys so much for what you're doing. We're not 51:15 actually finished just yet. I want to tell the viewers at home 51:19 how you can get a hold or get in contact with Lineage. You may 51:23 want to support this ministry financially. The Lord may be 51:25 laying upon your heart to donate or maybe you just want to get 51:28 in connection with them. You want to learn a little bit more 51:31 about the ministry, you want to tap into these new available 51:34 resources that they have and those to come. We're going to 51:37 put an address roll up right now and this is how you can contact 51:40 get in contact with Lineage Journey. 51:43 ♪ ♪ |
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