Participants: C. A. Murray (Host), John Lomacang & Kenny Shelton
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY016012A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:35 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:07 Hello, and once again we welcome you to 3ABN Today. 01:10 My name is CA Murray and thank you once again 01:12 for sharing just a little of your day with us. 01:15 This is another one of those special programs 01:17 where we take an in-depth look 01:19 as much as this one hour will allow 01:21 at one of the doctrinal points 01:24 of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and the Bible. 01:26 We never want to separate the two. 01:28 We don't want to say this is doctrine 01:29 of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. 01:30 No, this is the doctrine of the Word of God 01:33 mined by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, 01:35 believed by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, 01:37 talked by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, 01:39 practiced by the Seventh-day Adventist Church 01:41 but not a Seventh-day Adventist doctrine per se, 01:43 a Bible doctrine 01:45 that we believe that we practice and we teach. 01:48 I'm in the company of two eminently equipped men 01:51 to help me mind the subject. 01:53 The pastor at the Thompsonville Seventh-day Adventist Church, 01:55 my pastor and my friend John Lomacang. 01:57 Good to be here, Pastor CA. 01:58 And the pastor and speaker 01:59 director of Behold the Lamb Ministries, 02:01 Pastor Kenny Shelton. 02:03 Pastor, good to have you here. Oh, it's good to be here. 02:04 Thank you for the invitation. 02:06 Love to study the Word of God with you folks. 02:07 Wonderful. Yeah. 02:09 This is, this is a wonderful time that we've been together. 02:10 Now we need to warn you. 02:12 We say this, every time we will say it yet again. 02:14 When you get to study the Word of God 02:16 sometimes it gets so good that you cannot hold your peace. 02:19 That's right. 02:20 So we have given each other permission, 02:22 we've given each other permission to, 02:24 if something comes up and it's just bubbling out, 02:26 just go ahead and say it. 02:27 So we are not cutting each other off, 02:29 we are not disrespecting each other. 02:30 No, we are all putting our little bean in the pot 02:32 to make a beautiful soup 02:34 or stew that bespeaks the Word of God. 02:36 The joy that comes from studying the Word of God. 02:39 So we don't get together in a room and go over notes. 02:41 No, we just pick a topic. 02:42 We study, we bring to this particular program 02:46 what the spirit of God has given to us 02:48 and we don't preplan this, 02:50 we just share from the Word of God 02:51 and that's what we are gonna do today. 02:53 Our subject, "State of the Dead." 02:55 There are few doctrines that have been more twisted 03:00 and wrenched from their context and used to beat up people 03:04 or scare people or turn people away from God 03:07 than the state of the dead. 03:09 We see the television programs are rife with vampire shows 03:14 and shows about people coming back, 03:17 people exchanging lives. 03:18 There are so much confusion and ignorance on this subject, 03:21 we thought we would bring 03:22 the antiseptic light of the gospel 03:24 to this very important talk. 03:26 Now, Pastor John, Pastor Kenny, 03:27 if there was, if the story of Jesus 03:29 is the greatest story ever told, 03:32 then the greatest lie ever told 03:34 is found in the Book of Genesis. 03:36 Genesis after Chapter 3 and turn it out with me 03:38 as we read from the Word of God. 03:40 And then I'm gonna let you gentlemen weigh in 03:41 because I know you each studied this subject and know it well. 03:45 You don't have to go and really study 03:46 because something that we know in our hearts. 03:47 Well, Genesis 3:4, 03:51 this of course is the temptation and fall of man. 03:55 "Then the serpent" 03:57 I'm in verse 4 "said to the woman," 03:59 greatest lie ever told "You will not surely die.'" 04:05 If there ever was a whopper told, that's it. 04:08 And more people have fallen under the weight of that lie 04:12 have been misled by the weight of that lie 04:14 then I think any other truth that has been twisted 04:17 and torn up in the Word of God. 04:18 I heard a political candidate just as we talking about 04:22 how his brother was looking down on him in approbation, 04:25 looking down from heaven. 04:27 And that kind of thing 04:28 and you could hear the chorus of amens and the applause, 04:31 because so many people buy into and believe that 04:35 and yet it may be among the biggest, 04:37 the greatest lies ever told and it came from the person 04:41 who is a liar and deceiver 04:43 from the voice of Satan himself. 04:44 You know, we made this kinds of statement 04:46 as though we have proof of it, 04:48 as though we, they sent us an email. 04:50 I see you. Yeah. 04:52 There is no, you know, 04:53 it sounds cynical but I'm really serious. 04:56 We make these statements off the cuff as though, 04:59 you know, here are they, they are looking down on me, 05:02 now my mom is my guardian angel. 05:06 The other one that really burns me up, 05:08 God took her, like God is some kind of assassin, 05:12 taking people. 05:14 You know, He needed another angel 05:15 so He took my three-year-old daughter. 05:17 We make God to be a killer that's with all these 05:20 and if you think these topics are not important, 05:22 these are reflections on the character of God. 05:25 Yes, they are. 05:26 If I said, well, you know, my watch is missing, 05:28 CA took it. 05:29 I'm calling him a thief. That's right. 05:30 Well, no, we're good friends. 05:32 Now you just called your good friend a thief. 05:34 No, we're right but he is not a thief, 05:35 but he just takes whatever he needs whenever he wants it, 05:37 he will bring it back eventually. 05:39 But you're just saying that 05:40 I don't need to have him coming to my house 05:41 because he is a thief, he is a klepto. 05:43 And so these little statements about the Lord, 05:46 these are character defamation statements 05:49 that are made by Satan planted to make God look like a thief. 05:53 Yes. Make Him look like a killer. 05:56 You know, God just took my mother 05:57 in this car accident today. 05:59 I guess He needed one more angel. 06:00 I've heard them all. Yes. Yes. Yes. 06:02 And it's so sad when you hear that 06:04 because I remember Robert Ingersoll, 06:06 the world's most famous, former infidel. 06:10 He talked about why he became an infidel 06:12 because his father talked about the death of a loved one 06:16 and he used the phrase "God took him." 06:19 And he said, why would God-- sorry. 06:22 His father preached on eternally burning hell, 06:24 that was it. 06:25 Why would a loving God burn someone, 06:28 that's another program. 06:30 Why would loving God burn somebody 06:32 in hell forever and ever and ever and ever 06:33 with no appeasement, with no end. 06:36 If that's the kind of God He is, 06:37 I don't want anything to do with Him. 06:40 And so this topic about death and this eternal burning hell, 06:43 all have been born to attack the character of God. 06:46 So this lie, you will not surely die. 06:48 I like the way the Hebrew says it, 06:50 "I'm sure you will not die." 06:52 Precisely. Yes. Yes. Yes. 06:53 And so when the devil, 06:56 for example if I said, Kenny, why don't you just do this, 06:58 you know, bungee jumping thing here in Africa. 07:01 Somebody tried to get me to do that in Africa 07:03 off of the Victoria Falls Bridge. 07:05 Oh, my soul. 07:06 Yeah, like they got an insurance. 07:08 So I'm looking at this 600 foot to drop, 07:11 300 foot they said the rope was 300 feet that's 30 stories. 07:14 That's free falling 30 stories over rushing river in Africa 07:18 where insurance is not important. 07:19 Yes. Yes. 07:21 So I thought to myself, no, I'm not doing that. 07:24 And so there are those people 07:25 that want you to just put your whole weight of life 07:28 on this singular statement they make another one. 07:31 We are gonna talk about these during the sermon. 07:33 Another one to be absent from the body 07:35 is to be present with the Lord. 07:37 That's not in scripture anywhere. 07:38 To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. 07:42 You can't show me the scripture. 07:43 I'll show you the scripture where it comes from 07:45 but that's not what Paul said. 07:46 Precisely, I'm glad you picked up that one. 07:48 I got it in my notes too 07:49 and we can exhaust that together because it's a great lie. 07:52 Pitch in into now, my brother. 07:53 Oh, to me it was-- 07:55 I always think about the subject and the subject matter 07:58 and how it pertains to us as Christians today. 08:01 Yes. 08:03 We know from the Bible, 08:04 from prophecy that spiritualism will be, 08:07 spiritism will be on the rise. 08:09 And you're saying "Oh, he's just here in the last day, 08:11 you know, since 2000," no. 08:13 You know, we can see it 08:14 when it first came in on the TV sets. 08:16 We can come with Casper the Ghost. 08:17 Some of you don't go back that far but-- 08:19 Yeah, the friendly ghost. 08:20 Friendly ghost and Bewitched 08:21 and allow these different things we call harmless 08:24 and it doesn't matter 08:25 and we can sit in our home still today 08:27 watch some of these things and it's not-- 08:29 the enemy was planting his seed. 08:31 He did it back here, you just read the passage. 08:33 Yes. He never changes. 08:36 So here in these last days we are seeing a rise 08:39 because we know what's going to be happening. 08:41 The enemy is going to use people 08:43 who say they've been here, 08:45 they have been on the other side, 08:46 they've come back, they have a message. 08:48 So we need to even look at that today. 08:49 They come back with a message 08:51 and it's very convincing message 08:53 but it's totally opposite to scripture. 08:55 If we don't have scripture 08:57 and a good understanding of how God looks at, 08:59 how Christ looks at, 09:01 of the Bible teaching of what happens 09:02 when you die then we can all go off in different directions. 09:06 I'm thankful for a good foundation 09:08 that we have which is, 09:09 my brothers and sisters is the Bible. 09:11 The Word of God, the Word of God only can prove. 09:14 I like what someone said here, 09:15 one of you said that it's the Bible, 09:18 the Word of God it's not Seventh-day Adventist teaching, 09:22 it's a teaching of the Word of God. 09:24 It's in the Bible 09:25 and see, as we see that line upon line, 09:28 precept upon precept, 09:29 here little and there a little that we find these truths, 09:32 then we have embraced these truths 09:35 and they just come alive 09:37 and it's just something that you just, it goes in your mind 09:40 and if you can't explain it, 09:42 you just know that it's still right 09:43 because it's over and over in God's word. 09:45 So we see it an upswing of it. 09:47 We know it's going to be happening. 09:48 Yes. 09:49 So the world needs to be warned 09:51 through a program just like this. 09:52 Yes. Thank you. 09:53 The truths of God, Pastor John, Pastor Kenny, gives you comfort 09:55 and of course we're gonna talk about that 09:57 just a little bit Paul says that, 09:59 but knowing the truth is a comforting thing. 10:02 Now how did this idea get in? 10:04 I mean, you can call it 10:05 what you can call it platonic dualism, 10:07 you can call it metaphysical dualism, 10:08 you can call it Greek dualism, 10:11 the idea that there is a separation of body and soul, 10:14 one is good, the other is evil, that's not Christian, 10:17 it's Greek and it actually antedated the Christian move. 10:20 It's old. Yeah. Yeah, Neopaganism. 10:23 Precisely it's old and as a church began to spread, 10:26 this idea weaved itself into the church 10:29 and of course we have, we have among others 10:31 to thank Augustine for it who accepted this idea that, 10:35 I mean, if you look at his life, he lived a pretty bad life. 10:39 And then when he came to the Lord, 10:41 he found out that certain parts of his character 10:44 still responding to that old, that old stuff. 10:47 You know, like you go to a club and you go and buy a club now 10:50 and you are in the club but you hear that beat 10:52 and all of sudden, you know, you are back at that beat 10:54 and you don't want that beat in your head 10:56 but it's there or you see a pretty girl 10:58 and automatically that old guy comes back. 11:01 So he said, "You know what, 11:03 there got to be two separate parts." 11:04 He bought into that. 11:06 This body thing is bad and spirit thing is good. 11:08 And of course since he was one of the architects 11:10 of Catholic theology, it was woven into the church 11:14 and became in part of the Christian doctrine 11:17 that you got this good soul and evil body. 11:21 So you got this dualistic thing again 11:23 but the Bible didn't say that God gave us a soul. 11:26 Right. 11:27 John, you want to pick that up 11:29 because I see you're getting itchy. 11:30 Genesis 2:7. There you go. 11:32 You know, to know what happens 11:33 and I want to string a few texts together. 11:35 Now I want to look at this here. 11:37 To know what happens when you, when your life ends, 11:40 we've got to know how it begins. 11:42 Precisely. Yeah. To know where I'm going-- 11:44 Well, said. Well, said. Yeah. 11:46 You got to know where I came from. 11:47 Yeah, if you know how to deconstruct, 11:49 you got to know how to construct. 11:50 So, we are gonna look at the scriptures 11:53 in the very logical sense. 11:54 What you have to keep in mind is 11:56 the Bible is very clear on what happens. 11:58 Let's look at the beginning of man. 12:00 Genesis 2:7, 12:02 the Bible says and I'm reading from the King James Version 12:04 and I'm reading from this translation particularly before 12:07 because it uses the word "Soul." 12:10 This is where people get the idea. 12:13 Okay, so, "And the Lord God 12:15 formed man of the dust of the ground, 12:18 and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, 12:22 and man became" together? 12:24 "A living soul." 12:26 Now notice man became a living soul. 12:28 Yes. He didn't have a living soul. 12:30 Right. He became a living soul. 12:33 The difference is altogether obvious. 12:36 The flashlight did not become a bulb, 12:39 the flashlight had a bulb. 12:41 Yes. 12:43 There's a difference altogether. 12:44 The flashlight, when the bulb itself has a filament in it. 12:49 You know, when the filament dies, 12:50 it doesn't work on another lamp. 12:52 Yeah. 12:54 It doesn't take a journey to another house 12:55 and start flashing over there. 12:57 When a bulb dies it's it. It's gone. 12:59 It's not working anymore. Yes, sir. 13:01 So, am I putting together here? 13:03 Now, you're getting it, go on. 13:04 So when the bulb blows, that's a phrase we use, 13:08 the bulb is blown, we go buy another one. 13:10 We don't say, oh, you know, Kenny, 13:11 I got a bulb it ain't working in my lamp 13:14 and I know it's gonna work in yours 13:15 because it just wants a new lamp. 13:17 That's all it needs is a new lamp. 13:18 Yes. Yes. 13:19 We are teaching the idea that the soul 13:21 this is what the common teaching is 13:23 that the soul now needs another location. 13:26 It's moved on since it can't use this location any longer. 13:29 That's not what the Bible teaches. 13:31 Matter of fact, let's go to Job 27:3. 13:37 Okay. I know that chapter. Yes. Okay. Now remember this. 13:38 Remember where did God breathe into Adam? 13:41 Where? What it be? Into nostrils. 13:43 Into nostrils. What did He breathe in there? 13:45 The breath of life. 13:46 And I want you to read Genesis 27:3, Pastor Kenny. 13:49 Genesis 27:3. Now you have to follow in my. 13:52 Now since the Lord breathe into Adam this construct, 13:57 He formed him from the dust of the ground. 13:59 I have a friend, pathologist friend Dr. Douglas Wear 14:03 and he said, one day he listened to a program 14:05 and he said, by the way if you are watching this, 14:06 Dr. Wear and your wife, hello to you. 14:09 He said, "When you say that, 14:11 Pastor John, that God formed man" 14:13 he says, "I'm a medical pathologist, 14:15 you have no idea what just happened 14:16 when the Lord formed. 14:18 The core process the veins, 14:19 the levels of skin what God did when He formed man." 14:22 But look at what happens when we die. 14:24 I mean, look at what this soul is. 14:27 Job 27:3. I didn't have that. 14:30 Right before, there you go Job 27:3 14:34 and this tells you what is in the nostril of man. 14:38 Yes, the breath. Sure. 14:40 Okay, verse 3, Job 27. 14:42 "All the while my breath is in me, 14:45 and the spirit of God is in my nostrils." 14:49 "All the while my breath is in me, 14:52 and the spirit of God" now this is huge. 14:57 Yeah. 14:58 I know, you got, you want to make that 14:59 you try not to load up because I know it's coming 15:01 because you got to make the context, 15:03 the contract between spirit and breath. 15:07 Exactly. And what's there. 15:08 I know this is where you are heading. 15:10 Right. God's spirit is there. Yes. Yes. 15:12 So if anything is going back is God's spirit, not my spirit. 15:16 Right. You want to get that. 15:17 Amen. Yeah. 15:19 The spirit of God is in me now, 15:20 God breathe into man's nostril the breath of life. 15:23 The breath of life came from God. 15:25 God didn't breathe a man into Adam's nostril, 15:28 He breathe His breath of life. I want you get that. 15:31 He didn't put a man in Adam, He put His breath in Adam. 15:35 Precisely. Okay. So that's how life began. 15:37 So you have to have a body. Exactly. 15:40 And then you have the spirit of God, breathe of God. 15:43 And you become... One and one is two. 15:45 You become a living soul. Exactly. 15:47 It takes two things. 15:48 So in Genesis it goes in, in Job it comes out. 15:52 Same spirit, nothing is changed, yeah. 15:54 Now, let's go to Ecclesiastes 12:7. 15:57 Pastor, I want you to read that again. 15:58 Yeah. Yeah. He is my Bible student. 16:00 Yeah, boy. 16:01 He knows I'm working him out 16:03 and you're gonna throw it at me in a minute you see. 16:05 Here we go. 16:06 After Psalms, now when you look at-- 16:08 Ecclesiastes. Yeah, there you go. 16:10 Now right after this what you are gonna see now friends 16:12 as we read this text is you're gonna see creation in reverse. 16:16 Yes. Okay. 16:18 We're gonna see creation right after Proverbs here. 16:20 It's a little thin book. 16:22 Here we go Ecclesiastes 12. All right. 16:25 His Bible is so thin, it's like onion skin. 16:28 Yeah, there we are. All right. 16:29 Ecclesiastes 12:7. You have highlighted it. 16:32 Yeah, I had it here. Let's go. 16:33 It says, "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, 16:36 and the spirit shall return to God who gave it." 16:39 Now get this now. 16:40 In the beginning God formed man from the dust, 16:44 then at the end of life 16:45 the dust returns to the earth as it was 16:49 and the spirit returns to God who gave it. 16:52 Now this is huge. 16:54 Where is man? 16:56 That dust form of man went back to where he came from. 16:59 Right. 17:01 And the spirit that returned to God was his spirit 17:04 which is the breath of life, not my spirit. 17:06 Right. 17:08 They teach that man's spirit went back to God. 17:10 The spirit returns to God who gave it, right? 17:13 Amen. Okay. 17:15 it's all in my head. 17:19 Praise the Lord. 17:20 But, Pastor Kenny, I'm having you read all these texts. 17:22 I want you to register your, 17:24 I want you to register on this too. 17:25 Psalms 115:17 look at this. 17:28 Now, this is huge. Okay. 17:29 So if man died and went to heaven, 17:32 this text needs to be deleted from the Bible. 17:37 Okay, okay. 17:38 Pastor CA, you have it, Psalms 117, 115 and verse 17. 17:43 Actually I'm looking up another text in Psalms. 17:45 It said, the dead, verse 17, "The dead praise not the Lord, 17:49 neither any that go down into silence." 17:51 Oh, wait a minute. 17:53 The dead do not praise the Lord. 17:55 So nobody up in heaven that died praising God. 17:58 That's what it says. Neither any that go down. 18:01 The Lord is saying, down into silence. 18:04 Have mercy. 18:06 Down into silence, not up into praise. 18:09 Yes. Yes. Yes. Look at the contrast. 18:11 We teach, today the common pulpous of America 18:14 and the television shows teach, 18:17 they're up in heaven praising God, 18:18 now dancing on the streets of gold, 18:19 praising Lord, singing songs of hallelujah. 18:22 No, they are not. 18:23 Now what we are not saying is that 18:24 we are not saying that they won't one day, 18:27 we are saying they are not now. 18:28 They are not now, the Lord has established a process 18:30 by which we'll all get to heaven. 18:32 I got to give you sometime so you could take it from here. 18:34 Oh, no, I was just thinking about, 18:35 you talked about the spirit, you know, in construction. 18:38 You know, you know that the illustration of it 18:40 is that in construction. 18:41 You know, Danny and I worked for many years 18:42 and still do it different times. 18:44 I said, you go out to the job site, 18:46 you know, you have your lumber, 18:47 big lumber pile and then, let's put simple. 18:50 Then over here we have 50 pound box of nails, right. 18:55 Now when you go out this is it. 18:57 We have to think about. 18:58 When we go out to the site, 19:00 there is no one that will look out 19:02 and say, "Wow, what a beautiful house this is." 19:05 Right. Right. 19:06 It wouldn't say because you had, 19:07 they say, this is the lumber, this is the nail, 19:10 all you do is take that nail, 19:12 put it into the lumber 19:14 and all the sudden you've got a house. 19:16 Right. 19:18 All it takes two things, lumber, nail, 19:20 put it together, you have a house. 19:21 Okay. 19:23 Now what do I do when I reverse it? 19:24 You were talking about this. 19:25 So when I reverse it, I pull that nail out 19:27 and I put it over here and the lumber back here. 19:30 So when I look at again I say, oh, that's still, 19:33 that's not a house, that's lumber. 19:34 That's not a house, that's a nail. 19:36 Where did house go? 19:37 Simply ceases to exist 19:39 because you have to have the two things. 19:41 Precisely. Body, breath, spirit. 19:43 Beautiful. Well said. 19:45 This is a text that I was looking up, pastor, 19:46 when you called upon, this is Psalms 146:4. 19:48 Okay, read it because I'm right there right now. 19:52 "His spirit departs, he shall return to his earth, 19:55 in that very day his plans perish." 19:58 Break that down. Yeah. 20:00 His spirit departs, 20:02 he returns to, he returns to his earth. 20:05 Right. Where does he go? 20:07 Goes back to the earth. 20:09 The spirit is capital H, His spirit, 20:11 he, lower h, returns to the earth, 20:15 he or his rather lower h, 20:18 lowercase h, plans perish. 20:20 So the spirit goes back to the God who gave it 20:22 and the plans everything about our life perishes. 20:25 So the idea that momma comes back 20:26 and comes with you at night, that's not in the word. 20:30 So, but we have to keep in mind where does man return? 20:34 He returns from the ground out of which he came. 20:36 Precisely. He returns to his earth now. 20:39 Here this is huge. 20:40 Since man returns to where he came from 20:42 to teach that man goes to heaven 20:44 would intimate that he came from heaven. 20:47 To say he is returning, means he came from heaven. 20:52 Right. Right. No, Jesus came from heaven. 20:54 Came down to the earth to create man. 20:57 Man became a living soul 20:58 when the nails in the wood got together, it was a house. 21:02 It was a house. 21:03 When you took them apart, there is no house. 21:05 Right. They're all gone. 21:06 Don't have a house. Don't have a house. 21:08 And that's very, very crucial man 21:10 was not given a soul, 21:11 grant a soul or souls are not planted there. 21:13 He became and if you become you can, 21:17 I'll invent a word, unbecome 21:19 if you don't have the constituent parts. 21:21 So you got to have breath and you got to have body. 21:24 Now this is the thing we need to wrestle with gentlemen, 21:27 because we've established that something does go back. 21:30 That's exactly right. 21:31 Does what goes back have intelligence. 21:34 Is it alive? Is it thinking? 21:36 Is it walking? Is it talking? 21:37 Is it praising God? 21:39 Is it looking over the rampart 21:40 watching you and Angie in the evening. 21:43 Watching you and Chris as you stroll along. 21:45 There is something there that's alive 21:48 and that's what we need to deal with now. 21:49 Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10. Yes. 21:53 Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10. 21:57 I remember this here it is. 21:58 Yeah, while we are in Ecclesiastes 22:00 we want to stay there for a minute or two. 22:01 We got a couple other texts here. 22:02 Okay. 22:04 You want to, you want to do that, Pastor Kenny? 22:05 No, go ahead. Yeah. Okay. Let's-- 22:07 I'll read it at the 9 but, yeah. 22:08 Okay, here it is Ecclesiastes 9:5, 22:10 "For the living know that they will die." 22:14 What's gonna happen to the living? 22:16 They are gonna die. 22:17 If the Bible didn't say that we are gonna die, 22:19 it would have said, the living know that 22:21 they will keep on living. 22:22 Well. 22:23 "The living know that they will die, 22:25 but the dead know nothing," 22:27 not anything as the King James Version says. 22:29 But now let's look at what happens. 22:30 What's their conscious? 22:31 What is their conscious presence after death? 22:34 "And they have no more reward, 22:36 for the memory of them is forgotten." 22:39 That doesn't mean that I forget them that means they no longer, 22:41 their memory no longer function. 22:43 Right. Don't exist. 22:44 Verse 6, "Also their love, their hatred, 22:48 and their envy have now perished, 22:51 nevermore will they have a share 22:54 in anything done under the sun." 22:58 Never more. 22:59 So momma, ain't coming back like you said. 23:01 Nobody, my baby not gonna be walking around saying, mommy, 23:05 I'm not through the Long Island Medium 23:07 and nobody is sending no messages. 23:09 See I just went to my g-stack mode. 23:12 Nobody is sending any messages from the grave back to them. 23:15 Nobody in there twisting the clock to ten after two. 23:18 Nobody painting number 23 on your garage door 23:21 to remind you of his basketball number 23:22 when he was playing basketball, when he was alive. 23:24 Well. 23:25 This just, we're gonna show you 23:27 where that comes from by the way. 23:28 Yeah, they have nothing more to do with anything here. 23:31 So there is no one upstairs waiting for you. 23:34 As a friend of my dad says, send me numbers to play, 23:36 you know, so I can hit the ladder or kind of thing. 23:38 That doesn't exist. 23:40 There is a spirit that's responsible for that 23:43 but it's not your dead mother, your dead father, 23:45 your dead uncle or your friend or anything like that. 23:47 The Bible says when they die 23:49 in that second thoughts perish. 23:51 That's right. Have mercy. 23:53 Now verse 10 is the key. 23:54 Verse 10 is also the part, 23:56 Ecclesiastes 9:10 look what it says. 23:58 "Whatever your hand finds to do, 24:01 do it with your might," and this is powerful. 24:04 It is. 24:05 "For there is no work or device 24:08 or knowledge or wisdom 24:11 in the grave where you are going." 24:16 Mercy. Yeah. Can that be any clear? 24:18 So somebody asks, what happen, 24:19 where you are going when you die? 24:20 In the grave. Well, how do you know that? 24:22 The Bible just said that. Amen. 24:23 But, you know, what the problem today is, Pastor CA. 24:26 We take that single scripture to be absent from the body 24:28 is to be present with the Lord 24:30 which is really not a scripture. 24:31 No. 24:32 And we build an entire castle with one nail. 24:34 Yeah. Oh. 24:35 With one nail. 24:37 Those aren't accurate, accurate reading 24:38 or understanding of that particular, 24:39 of that particular text. 24:41 We are gonna look at that, but go head, 24:42 let's go to the next one. 24:44 Now, Pastor Kenny, you want to throw one in there? 24:45 But now let's talk about the familiar spirit 24:47 as you're looking up, you're looking up here? 24:48 Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. 24:49 How does, how do we get to the place 24:53 where people say I saw my mother. 24:55 I saw my cousin. 24:57 I saw my uncle 25:00 or I smell my dad's cologne in the house 25:04 the same when we buried in last year. 25:07 Of course that's cologne that ain't your dad, 25:09 but when you start seeing things 25:11 that look like you parents listen to what the Bible says. 25:14 Leviticus 19:31 I'm gonna read it. 25:20 "Regard not them that have familiar spirits, 25:25 neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them." 25:30 Ecclesiastes 20:6, "And the soul that turneth 25:34 after such as have familiar spirits, 25:37 after wizards, 25:40 I will even set my face against that soul, 25:42 and cut him off from among his people." 25:45 And the one that, you know, 25:46 Isaiah 8:20 don't we always quote that? 25:49 Absolutely. You know what Isaiah 8:19 is? 25:53 Pastor Kenny, let me give you a chance to register here. 25:55 Isaiah 8:19 look at that very quickly 25:59 because, you know, now the horse is out. 26:01 It's out. The horse is out, yeah. 26:03 Look at Isaiah 8:19. 26:05 We often read Isaiah 8:20. 26:06 Pastor CA, you want to read Isaiah 8:19? 26:08 Oh, yeah, "and when they say to you, 26:10 'Seek those who are mediums and wizards, 26:12 who whisper and mutter,' 26:14 should not a people seek after their God? 26:16 Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living?" 26:18 Oh, mercy. There you go. 26:20 Yeah. 26:21 You go, there are people go to séances nowadays 26:23 holding hands in darkrooms 26:25 trying to condor up demonic spirits 26:28 thinking that they are getting a message. 26:29 And then they have these new shows nowadays. 26:31 I don't know if the Long Island Medium is still on. 26:34 But they have these programs nowadays 26:35 with some lady who is a housewife said, 26:38 "Well, I got, I could contact the dead 26:41 on behalf of the living." 26:43 Mercy. 26:44 So she's making millions of dollars telling lies, 26:46 but I want to tell you these are Satan's emissaries. 26:49 Yes. 26:51 They are bringing that messages from the dark. 26:52 But they are not bringing them back from your relatives. 26:54 Trying to deceive you. Trying to deceive. 26:56 You know, I heard a story one time many years ago 26:59 then I'll read something. 27:00 It was-- we need to know this truth even in our sleep, 27:06 even in our dreams. 27:08 And I was, it was probably about two or three days 27:11 after my dad had passed away, he was on my mind. 27:14 It was a Sunday afternoon or whatever 27:16 and just had the funeral anyway. 27:17 I laid down on the couch downstairs 27:20 and went to sleep. 27:22 And I dreamed, I heard a knock at the door 27:26 and it was real to me. 27:27 You know, it was real. 27:29 And so I thought oh, I'm gonna open the door. 27:30 And so we had a double doors and I opened the door 27:32 and then we had the full glass storm door. 27:35 And opened the door and I looked in, 27:37 there stood my dad. 27:39 I'm looking eyeball to eyeball 27:40 three feet away the door is still closed 27:43 and I'm looking at him like this 27:46 and he says to me "Kenny, it's me. 27:49 I really didn't die. 27:52 Look at me, can't you tell my voice. 27:54 Look at my mannerism everything it's me." 27:57 And I'm looking at him and I said, it can't be. 28:01 The Bible says you can't come back. 28:02 "The dead know not anything" He said, "It's me. 28:05 Let me in, just open the door and I'll come in." 28:08 And I said, Dad, as much I-- 28:09 if it's dad you say how much would like for that 28:11 to be repeated and come back. 28:13 I said, "No, you cannot be." 28:16 And I took the other door and I closed the door. 28:19 And then I opened the door and he wasn't there. 28:21 He was gone. 28:22 And I was thinking, you know, in my mind 28:24 we think about these things. 28:25 We think it happens. 28:27 We may be confronted in reality with those things someday. 28:30 How will we stand on the issue? 28:32 Bible says, here I will read quickly 28:33 in the Book of Job verse 10. 28:35 We know this well, all times you read it, 28:37 you know in the funerals and different things. 28:39 Said "But man dieth, and he wasteth away" 28:42 because he goes back to the dust. 28:44 That's right, Job 14. 28:45 "Yea, man giveth up the ghost," what is the ghost? 28:47 His spirit. His spirit. It's breath of life. 28:50 "Where is he?" 28:52 That's what I like to say, where is he? 28:53 Well, he is died, he's gone, where is he? 28:54 The Bible says in verse 12, "So man lieth down, 28:58 and riseth not, till the heavens be no more, 29:01 they shall not awake, 29:03 nor be raised out of their sleep." 29:05 And we know sleep, Jesus talked about it, 29:07 we know sleep is and mentioned about 50 some time 29:09 in the New Testament, sleep is death. 29:11 Right. Not do we wake out dead. 29:13 Verse 14, so if a man die here's a question. 29:16 Now this is for people maybe who've never read it. 29:18 "If a man die, shall he live again?" 29:21 Bible said, "All the days of my appointed time will I wait," 29:26 where is he gonna wait? 29:28 In the grave. In the grave. 29:29 "Till my change come." 29:31 Somebody say, oh, so your change comes. 29:32 It comes to death. 29:33 What does 1 Corinthian say about when the change comes? 29:35 Go for it. 29:37 1 Corinthians the Bible said in verse, 29:38 Chapter 15 verse 51. 29:40 Paul says, "I behold, I show you" what? 29:43 "A mystery, we shall not all sleep," 29:45 Paul knew about it. 29:47 Paul knew about death. He knew it was sleep. 29:48 He said, we shall not all sleep, but we all" what? 29:50 Gonna "Be changed." Changed. 29:52 You say, okay, when the change? 29:54 Job would say I'm gonna wait in the grave. 29:56 That's right. Okay, where do I change? 29:58 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, 30:00 at the last trump," 30:02 the change comes at the last trump. 30:05 The last trump is sounded when Jesus what? 30:07 He comes. That' right. 30:08 "So sound, the dead shall be raised" what? 30:11 "Incorruptible." Yeah, "and we shall be changed. 30:13 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, 30:16 and this mortal" notice this, "must put on" what? 30:19 "Immortality." "Immortality." 30:20 When are we given immortality? At the last trump. 30:22 At the last trump, at the coming of Christ, 30:24 the finishing touches is given to His saints. 30:27 That's a sequence. That's a sequence. 30:28 He is telling when it's gonna happen. 30:30 How it's gonna happen and when it's gonna happen. 30:31 You know, what so wonderful about that? 30:33 Yeah, wonderful. 30:34 The point that the Bible is making, 30:36 I won't even say the point that Pastor Kenny has made, 30:37 but the point that the Bible is making 30:38 as you cannot go to heaven 30:40 in the same condition you are here now. 30:41 Correct. 30:43 You got to be changed from mortal to immortal 30:47 to exist in the presence of an immortal God. 30:49 Thank you. Precisely. 30:51 And only God the Bible says has immortality. 30:52 You are not born with it. You don't have it. 30:54 God has one, one verse in the Bible. 30:56 Precisely. 30:57 But now this whole thing about coming back to their house. 30:58 Want to finish the text? No. No. Good. Good. Go. 31:00 Listen to Job Chapter 7, Job 7:9, 10. 31:06 As the cloud and write these down Job 7:9, 10, 31:10 "As the cloud disappears and vanishes away," 31:14 so he goes down to the grave 31:17 "so he who goes down to the grave does not come up. 31:22 He shall never return to his house, 31:27 nor shall his place know him anymore." 31:29 That's right. How clear is that? 31:31 That's so clear. 31:32 So this idea that momma coming back 31:34 and daddy coming back 31:35 and getting a message from the Long Island Medium. 31:37 Yeah. 31:39 You know, they have these phrases 31:40 that you go to funerals nowadays 31:42 and they have these lies 31:43 that are coming from the pulpous of America. 31:44 These are men that are under Satan's influence 31:47 to continue to proliferate these 31:48 if they say they know the Word of God. 31:49 Am I telling the truth, Pastor Kenny? 31:51 Now you're telling the truth. 31:52 How could you say you know God's word 31:54 and tell a lie and it's not in God's word? 31:55 Yes, that's right. 31:57 And you make it, you give it such credibility. 31:58 You know, my brother is in heaven right now 32:00 looking down on us today. 32:02 That's not the truth. 32:03 Let me go ahead and, you know, they have these phrases. 32:07 They first, first they used to call it home going services. 32:11 I mean, that's the phrase they used to have. 32:12 Yes. 32:13 But now they call it home going. 32:15 But let me give you some credibility 32:16 for the home going idea. 32:18 Job 17:13 and then we are gonna go to the New Testament. 32:21 It's all right. 32:23 Because there are some people that teach well 32:24 in the Old Testament they had to wait, 32:26 but then after Jesus rose and they go directly to heaven, 32:29 that's another untruth. 32:30 That's not there. 32:32 Job 17:13, do you have that. 32:34 Look at this. 32:36 He says, "If I wait for the" if I wait, 32:40 you're there, Pastor Kenny? 32:42 Yeah. Read it-- 32:43 "The grave is mine house." Read it. 32:44 "If I wait, the grave is mine house, 32:47 I have made my bed in the darkness." 32:49 Exactly. 32:51 If I wait, the grave is mine house, 32:52 I have made my bed in the darkness." 32:54 Yes. Yes-- 32:55 Because in Job Chapter 14, Job said, 32:57 hide me in the grave till your wrath is passed. 33:01 Appoint me at said time and remember me. 33:04 That's what Job said. Yes. 33:05 So Job is saying, 33:06 I'll wait right here till your wrath is passed. 33:09 What wrath? 33:10 The seven last plagues, 33:11 then you appoint me at said time and remember me. 33:14 You know, and then I know 33:15 what's going on the heads of the people 33:16 but now let's go and deal with this 33:18 absent from the body text. 33:19 You know, before we do that, John, 33:21 I just want to put a little nail here 33:23 in the coffin that's a word in the Old Testament. 33:25 If you want a definitive statement, 33:26 I'm in Ezekiel 18. 33:28 Oh, yes. 33:29 It says it twice in the same chapter, 33:30 Ezekiel 18... 33:33 Verse 4. Verse 4. 33:35 "Behold, all souls are Mine, the soul of the father 33:38 as well as the soul of the son are Mine, 33:40 the soul that sins shall die." 33:43 So the soul does die. 33:45 It ceases to exist. 33:47 And of course, it is, this is reiterated in verse 20. 33:51 "The soul that sins shall die." 33:53 You can't get any plainer than that. 33:54 Amen. No. 33:55 "The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, 33:57 nor the father bear the guilt of the son." 33:58 But that soul, that sin shall die. 34:01 So souls do die, they ceased to exist 34:04 when the breath is separated from the body. 34:08 Now the word breath, spirit are interchangeable 34:11 particularly in the Old Testament 34:12 we got the word "ruach" used some 377 times 34:16 but in no instance does it give any indication, 34:19 Pastor John, Pastor Kenny, 34:20 of a conscious entity going back to heaven. 34:23 It's just air or breath. 34:25 In the New Testament it's "pneuma" 34:26 from which we get pneumatic times, air or breath 34:29 but there is no consciousness to that air or breath. 34:32 It is the same breath that God breathed into Adam 34:34 returning to the God who gave it. 34:36 But there is no evidence anywhere in scripture 34:38 of a conscious entity and soul going back to heaven 34:42 to live a wondrous life. 34:43 Really, and I tell folk this in some of my sermons, 34:45 if we go to heaven when we die, 34:50 then Christ is coming back for nothing 34:54 and He is wasting gas. 34:56 You know, we're already there. 34:57 Why would He come back down here, 34:59 waste gas, come back down here and take who? 35:00 If you are there, there's no need to come back 35:02 for a trip to make another trip back down here if you go up. 35:05 But He is coming back He says, 35:07 "I'm coming quickly" in Revelation 20 35:09 "and my reward is with me." 35:11 That's when you get your reward, not when you die. 35:13 That's right. 35:14 1 Corinthians Chapter 15, the entire passage 35:16 but that's not where I'm going. 35:17 I'm going to John. Okay. 35:19 We're gonna, see, we got to go fast as we can, Pastor Kenny. 35:21 Yeah, we're running. John, what do you want, John. 35:23 John Chapter 14. 35:25 John Chapter 14. 35:27 I'm with you. Okay, John Chapter 14. 35:31 Okay, and I want to first start with John 13:33. 35:38 and in verse 36 35:43 Jesus speaks about two different destinies. 35:45 He is talking to Peter, 35:47 one He is referring to going back to heaven. 35:49 Secondly, He is referring to going to the cross. 35:52 Remember, Peter was crucified upside down. 35:55 So now let's look at the first one. 35:57 Verse 33 of John Chapter 13. 36:00 Jesus now He says in verse 31, now the Son of Man, 36:05 "So, when he had gone out, 36:07 Jesus said, 'Now the Son of Man is glorified, 36:10 and God is glorified in Him. 36:13 If God is glorified in Him, 36:14 God will also glorify Him in Himself, 36:16 and glorify Him immediately.'" 36:19 Now verse 33 "Little children, 36:21 I shall be with you a little while longer. 36:26 You will seek Me, and as I said to the Jews, 36:30 'Where I am going, you cannot come,' 36:34 so now I say to you." 36:36 Powerful. Yeah. 36:37 So what I said to them I'm telling you. 36:40 I said it to the Jews, so now I'm saying it to you. 36:43 "Where I am going, you cannot come." 36:45 John 14:1-3, Pastor. 36:47 Now how, if He is not, 36:49 if we can't go there, how we're gonna get there. 36:51 John 14, don't rush through it. Oh, that's beautiful. 36:53 Break it down. 36:54 Bible say in verse 1 says, 36:56 "Let not your heart be troubled," 36:58 then it says, "believe in God, believe also in Me." 37:01 He is setting up some principle. 37:03 He is setting us up, you can trust me. 37:05 You know, I like it where He says, 37:06 I will come in the word of God. 37:08 It's in the tense if it's already. 37:09 You amplify that too. Yeah. 37:11 "In My Father's house are many mansions, 37:14 if it were not so, I would have told you. 37:15 I go to prepare a place for you. 37:17 And if I go to prepare a place for you, 37:18 I will come again and receive you unto Myself, 37:22 that where I am, there you may be also." 37:25 Yeah, see, the receiving unto Himself 37:27 comes when He comes to get us. 37:29 I probably I misquoted a scripture a moment ago. 37:32 I said, Revelation 20, it's Revelation 22:12 37:35 "Behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me." 37:37 So the sequence is I come, then you get the reward. 37:41 That's right. Now you get the reward at death. 37:42 Right. And the reward and it's clear. 37:45 So when you read the scripture 37:46 He says I will come again and receive you. 37:50 Precisely. I'm gonna come back to get you. 37:52 Now let's look at the come back and getting part, 37:55 1 Thessalonians 4. I'm gonna come back again. 37:57 The way that's written, the way that's written in the Greek 38:01 "I will come again" as thought it's already taken place. 38:04 I thought that was interesting. Right. 38:06 As though it's already taken. 38:07 We know seconding coming, He's not come yet 38:09 but the way it's written we can count on Him, 38:11 we can bank on Him, see how beautiful that is. 38:13 He's saying, right, 38:14 He is saying this in the affirmative sense. 38:16 Amen. 38:17 Not on the sense that it has already happened 38:19 but in the affirmation you, in other words, 38:21 you can count on Him. 38:22 That's what this is-- Yeah, this is gonna happen. 38:24 You can, I will come again. I will come again. 38:26 So we say why we're waiting for the, 38:28 why we're waiting for the coming of Jesus? 38:30 Because we know at the coming of Jesus, 38:31 there's something that's going to happen 38:33 that has not yet happened. 38:34 And, you know, what's been deleted 38:36 from Christianity as you go to 1 Thessalonians. 38:37 Oh, is there where I'm going. 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4. 38:39 You know, it's been deleted, Pastor, Pastors. 38:42 The resurrection has been deleted. 38:44 Yes. Oh, my. 38:45 The resurrection has been ignored. 38:49 If we really believe in the resurrection 38:52 then we would stay clearly 38:53 what the resurrection is all about. 38:55 Well. 38:56 Now I've heard there are some songs nowadays, 38:58 the Christian songs, secular songs that talk about, 39:02 you know, "I'm dying and going home tonight." 39:06 Well, you're going home like to the mausoleum in the graveyard? 39:10 That's the only home you are going to. 39:11 Not trying to be cynical but these are the methods 39:14 by which these untruths are told. 39:16 Now, let's talk about the coming of the Lord. 39:17 Yeah, now I want to add, just want to start with 39:19 and we are going, and I knew we all get to this verse. 39:22 I did 117 funerals at my last church. 39:24 I did use this text at every single one of them. 39:26 So I want to start with the backend. 39:28 Okay-- 39:29 Therefore comfort one another with these words 39:32 saying that when you know the truth about death, 39:35 it's a comforting thing. 39:36 It's a comforting thing. It's a comforting thing. 39:37 If my loved one is in heaven watching me 39:43 and suppose I'm having a bad time in my life, 39:45 suppose I'm struggling out on drugs, 39:46 suppose something bad-- 39:47 how can they enjoy the heavenly experience 39:49 watching me down here suffer? 39:51 It makes no sense. 39:53 How can heaven be heaven 39:54 and you're looking down here on earth full of sin 39:56 and people taking God's name in vain 39:58 and rape and torture and war and murder 40:00 and you are down looking on that and that's heaven? 40:02 That's not heaven, that's hell. 40:04 That makes no sense. 40:05 But the truth about death 40:08 and what happens at death we are told is a comfort, 40:13 comfort one another with these words. 40:15 Now let's go to these words. 40:16 Now let me throw something before we read that, 40:17 because this is something 40:19 that people don't even think logically on. 40:21 The angels don't even see us from heaven. 40:25 The angels have to come down here. 40:27 The only one that's omniscient, 40:29 omnipotent and omnipresent is God. 40:32 Yeah, is God. All right. 40:33 So how do we now wherever heaven is 40:38 get the ability at death to see all the way from heaven 40:42 down to earth and look at the affairs of men? 40:45 How do we do that? 40:47 Doesn't it go back to the very lie Satan told to Eve 40:49 you will be like God on good and evil. 40:51 You gonna be, if you disobey you will be just like him. 40:54 Now we can't, we're gonna read that text 40:55 but we have to, we have to deal with this absent 40:58 from the body thing. 40:59 I'm gonna read two scriptures. Okay, 41:01 Let's get through the message at the Thessalonica, 41:03 then I want to drop that on you, John, 41:05 so you kind of walk us through that. 41:06 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven" 41:08 I'm sorry, Pastor Kenny. 41:09 No, go ahead. 41:11 "With a shout, with the voice of the archangel, 41:12 and with the trump of God, 41:14 and the dead in Christ will rise first." 41:15 Okay. Break. 41:17 Okay, dead in Christ, 41:19 so those and I wish to say this 41:21 at all my funerals that I conducted. 41:24 Death in Christ is not such a bad thing. 41:26 Better to die in Jesus than to live without Him. 41:28 So the dead in Christ are gonna rise first. 41:31 Now those are the "Saved folk" 41:34 they are going to rise first at the second coming. 41:37 They're coming up first and of course-- 41:40 well, I want to jump. 41:41 I don't want to jump the tracks here 41:43 but the dead in Christ, 41:45 safe people are gonna rise first. 41:47 So that's very, very important 41:48 because they didn't get to heaven, 41:50 they are not in heaven they are coming up from the ground, 41:52 all right just like the redecoration, 41:54 they will be recreated as they were once created. 41:57 They get to rise first. Okay. 41:59 All right, you want to pick up the second one? 42:00 Okay, "Then we which are alive and remain" 42:04 what until the coming "shall by no means" what? 42:08 Prevent. "Prevent those who have" what? 42:10 "Fallen asleep." That's right. 42:12 Okay, now the very next verse. 42:14 Is that 17? 42:15 I'm in 17, because you're actually conflating 42:16 two texts here but, "Then we which are alive 42:18 and remain shall be caught up together with them 42:20 in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air." 42:23 So Christ is not technically coming back down to this earth 42:26 at this time He is coming to the proximity 42:29 and He is drawing us up to Him. 42:30 He is bringing us up to Him. 42:32 We come to meet Him at that time. 42:34 Who is meeting Him? Yeah. 42:35 Wait, wait, wait, I went ahead of myself. 42:37 The dead in Christ are raised first, 42:39 then we who are alive are caught up together with them 42:45 to meet, let's say the word together, to meet. 42:49 So which means we haven't met Him yet. 42:50 Right. That's right. 42:52 We tell we are taught by popular churches 42:53 they met Him and they died. 42:55 But how would they meet Him 42:57 if the living in Christ didn't meet Him yet. 42:59 Because the living in the dead together 43:01 well, the dead will be resurrected. 43:03 That's an important point, John, 43:04 that we meet together. 43:05 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We meet Him together. 43:08 They didn't, the text that you are alluding to 43:09 about those preventing for God has given us something better 43:12 in Hebrews that they didn't, 43:13 they didn't get there before us. 43:15 We all meet together and go there together. 43:18 So we meet and go together 43:20 and that's a very crucial point adds to the sequence. 43:22 The dead and the living meet Him together. 43:25 You don't get there before me, 43:27 you don't get there one second before I do, 43:28 we get there together, praise God. 43:30 Praise the Lord-- 43:31 And the text you alluded to here is verse 43:32 and I'm gonna go ahead and read it 43:34 in Hebrews, we're gonna continue. 43:35 Go ahead-- 43:36 Hebrews Chapter 11, Hebrews Chapter 11, 43:38 the Bible says in verse 35 43:40 they, "Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, 43:42 that they might obtain a better resurrection." 43:45 Yes, sir. Yes. 43:46 And then it says in verse 40 of Hebrews 11, 43:48 "God having provided something better for us, 43:51 that they should not be made perfect apart from us." 43:54 Apart from us, right. 43:56 Those if you look at Abraham and Isaac 43:58 and Moses and David and all the great people 44:01 from the Bible, they don't get there one second 44:04 before John Lomacang gets there, 44:06 before Kenny Shelton gets there. 44:07 Praise God. 44:08 They suffered in their blood, 44:10 they did but we all go together. 44:12 And it's a powerful, powerful we meet Him in the air. 44:15 Okay, you want to carry verse 16? 44:18 Verse 16? 44:20 Sixteen of-- For the Lord himself. 44:23 Yeah, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven 44:26 with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, 44:29 with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ" 44:31 talked about a while ago "shall rise first." 44:34 I'm thankful we have a Lord promise is going to come. 44:36 He is coming out of heaven we understand that. 44:39 He is going to have a shout. There's going to be noise. 44:41 There's nothing secret about this thing at all. 44:44 That the shout and the trumpet blast 44:45 will pierce the ears of the dead 44:48 and will call them back to life. 44:50 Pastor Kenny, you touched on something 44:51 and mind that just a little bit 44:52 that this idea of secret rapture, 44:55 this talks about the shout loud enough to wake the dead. 44:58 Yeah, this is not a secret thing. 44:59 He don't sneak away. 45:02 Yeah. 45:04 Again the Bible is very clear. Yes. 45:05 What we have to do is do what the Bible says, 45:07 learn truth, what is it? 45:08 "Line upon line, precept upon precept, 45:11 here a little, and there a little." 45:13 And if we can look at what the Bible writers 45:14 had to say on the same subject, you come up with the truth. 45:17 Oh, I love that. I love that. Yes. 45:19 So we are gonna be caught up. 45:20 So now let's very quickly go to 1 Corinthians Chapter 5, 45:23 I want to show you two context 45:24 and we are gonna probably wind up 45:26 and we're gonna have a few more text 45:27 if we can make it fit here. 45:29 I'm gonna show you when Paul talks about absent and present. 45:31 We got to understand what he is talking about. 45:33 First of all 1 Corinthians Chapter 5 45:35 and we will show you verse 3. 45:37 I'm gonna show you verse 3, okay. 45:38 1 Corinthians 5:3 Paul is talking about being, 45:42 not being with the church. 45:43 Look at what he says in verse 3, 45:45 "For I indeed, 45:47 as absent in body but present in spirit, 45:52 have already judged as though I were present, 45:55 concerning him who has done this deed." 45:58 Paul is on a journey somewhere. 46:00 He writes it though I'm absent in the body, 46:03 I'm present with you in the spirit. 46:05 I'm gonna make a decision about this 46:07 as though I was already there. 46:08 That's right. 46:09 So, he is saying I'm not there but I'm gonna make a decision. 46:12 Now let's go, so sometimes when he says to be absent 46:15 and to be present, sometimes Paul is referring to, 46:18 I'm not there but you know what I think. 46:20 My heart is there. My heart is there. 46:21 Yeah, I'm with you. 46:23 I love to be with you for Thanksgiving 46:24 but no that my love is busy. 46:26 Precisely. That's some of the times. 46:27 But now let's look at the 2 Corinthians Chapter 5. 46:28 We should have done this earlier 46:30 but we will go and get through very quickly 46:31 because Paul was the very same one 46:33 that said all these things about being changed 46:34 from mortal to immortal. 46:36 Being caught up to meet the Lord when we come, 46:38 when He comes. 46:39 All these things he talks about the resurrection 46:42 but now notice this. 46:44 2 Corinthians 5:1, 46:48 "For we know that if our earthly house, 46:51 this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, 46:56 a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." 47:00 In the heavens, yes. 47:02 1 Corinthians 15 talks about the celestial man 47:04 and the terrestrial man. 47:05 The man of the dust and the man of glory. 47:08 But let's go on. 47:10 Verse 2, "For in this tent we groan," 47:13 do you know what that means? 47:15 We have trials. Amen. 47:16 "In this tent we groan earnestly 47:18 desiring to be clothed 47:20 with our habitation which is" what? 47:23 "From heaven. 47:24 Indeed" verse 3 "having been clothed, 47:28 we shall not be found naked." 47:30 Now watch this, he is talking about the naked 47:32 and the naked he is talking about here is 47:34 the unclothed aspect of it 47:36 and that is simply talking about the unrighteous aspect. 47:40 The same thing Revelation says, 47:41 "Blessed is he that keepeth garments, 47:42 lest he walks naked." 47:44 Look at verse 4, 47:45 now this is the key apex of the whole thing. 47:47 "For we who are in this tent groan," 47:51 do we have burdens, yes. 47:52 "Being burdened, 47:54 not because we want to be unclothed, 47:58 but further clothed, that" what? 48:01 "Mortality shall be swallowed up by life." 48:05 He says, and let me break this down so far. 48:08 Paul is saying a long as we are in these mortal bodies 48:10 we are gonna have trials. 48:12 I cannot wait till mortality is swallowed up by life. 48:17 That's what he said further. Amen. That's what he said. 48:19 We will put on immortality, 48:20 that's what he is talking about. 48:22 He is not talking about leaving the body. 48:23 No. Now let's go to verse 5. 48:25 "Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, 48:30 who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee." 48:33 In other words, God's spirit has confirmed this. 48:36 Now here's verse, hear the two verses. 48:39 "Therefore we are always confident, 48:41 knowing that, while we are at home in the body, 48:47 we are absent from the Lord." 48:49 Do you see the neat thing absent 48:50 from the body present with the Lord? 48:52 While we are at home in this body-- 48:53 While we are living here. 48:55 While we are living here, we're not living there, 48:57 that's what he in essence saying. 48:59 Paul is saying. 49:00 And that's it, you can't read anymore into that. 49:02 Now, but let me finish. 49:03 While I'm here, I can't be there. 49:05 So how do we walk? I'm either here or there. 49:06 So how do we walk, verse 7, 49:07 "For we walk by faith, not by sight." 49:09 We are confident, yes, well, please rather 49:13 to be absent from the body and to be what? 49:16 Present with the Lord. 49:18 Are we gonna be absent from these mortal bodies, Kenny? 49:20 Oh, praise God. When? 49:22 At His coming. At His coming. 49:23 So before, not a minute before-- 49:25 So he is saying, that's what I want. 49:26 That's what I like. That's what I want. 49:27 I want to be out of the body and present with the Lord. 49:29 But that's not he is not saying that's what I am, 49:31 that's what I want, well, that's what we all want. 49:32 We all want to be with Jesus. 49:34 I want you to notice not once death was talked about. 49:36 Not once was death mentioned. 49:38 Precisely because that's not the subject. 49:39 That's not the title. It's not. Yeah. 49:41 But now we got to hit the last one, 49:42 1 Corinthians 15, to put it altogether, 49:44 verse 20 to 22 because this is the key. 49:46 Yes. Okay. 49:48 Verse 22, "For as in Adam" 1 Corinthians 15:22 49:52 "For as in Adam all die, 49:54 even so in Christ all shall be made alive." 49:57 This is the same Paul. 49:58 Verse 23, "But each one in his own order, 50:02 Christ the first fruits, 50:04 afterward those who are Christ's" when? 50:07 "At his coming." "At his coming." 50:09 Now you need to underline that, 50:10 "Those who are Christ's at his coming." 50:13 Not at your death, not when you die, 50:16 at His coming. 50:17 That's when the reward comes and it comes with Him. 50:20 And that's why he says in verse 24, 50:21 "Then comes the end, 50:22 when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, 50:25 when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 50:29 He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 50:32 The last enemy that will be destroyed is" what? 50:35 "Is death." "Is death." 50:36 Now when it is destroyed? At the coming of the Lord. 50:38 It ain't destroyed now. Not at all. 50:40 And you know, what's gonna happen 50:41 when he is destroyed 1 Corinthians 15:57, 50:44 "But thanks be to God," who giveth us, 50:46 "who giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 50:50 And the very last things he says in 1 Corinthians 15, 50:53 he says verse 56, "O death, where is your sting?" 50:56 "O grave." 50:58 Verse 55, "O death, where is you sting? 50:59 O grave, where is thy victory?" Yes. 51:01 Why, because when Jesus comes, 51:03 we will have victory over the grave. 51:04 Praise God. 51:05 Now we have the assurance 51:07 that when He comes we will come forth. 51:10 Very quickly, Pastor CA, you got to hit this very quickly 51:12 John 5:28, 29. 51:14 We got to squeeze it in, New Testament. 51:17 Okay, let me get back to it 51:19 because I know where you're going. 51:20 John 5:28, 29. 51:21 If you have, Pastor Kenny, two resurrections. 51:23 Yes. 51:25 Here we go. I'm at verse 28. Exactly. 51:27 "Do not marvel at this, 51:29 for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves 51:32 will hear His voice." 51:33 Where are they now? 51:34 In the grave. In the grave. 51:36 "And come forth those who have done good, 51:38 to the resurrection of life, those who have done evil, 51:41 to the resurrection of damnation." 51:44 Yes. Resurrection? 51:45 Yeah. Everybody is in the grave. 51:47 When they hear it some come forth 51:49 to the resurrection of life. 51:50 That means when the resurrection of life comes, 51:53 that mean they come back to life. 51:54 Yes. They are not living now. 51:55 Yes. Yes. Yes. They are not living now. 51:58 The idea of resurrection is counterfeited 52:00 if you go to heaven. 52:02 There are so many sound Bible doctrines 52:04 that are just trumped by the lie 52:06 that you go when you die. 52:07 Right. 52:09 Oh, it's a rhyme, trumped by the lie 52:10 that you go and you die. 52:12 You don't go when you die. You don't go when you die. 52:13 You go when Christ comes back. 52:14 You are resurrected 52:16 and the resurrection is one of the greatest 52:17 and most marvelous and most wonderful ideas 52:20 and doctrines in the Word of God. 52:22 That's right. Yeah. 52:23 That's why He is coming back. Precisely. 52:25 To change our vile body 52:26 to be fashioned like unto His glory. 52:29 Yeah, we've got to go to our news break 52:31 but isn't it wonderful, Christ is not gonna send a cab 52:35 or have you wander into heaven on your own. 52:39 He is coming back to take you. That's right. 52:40 You know, somebody says, yeah, if you really love your wife 52:43 and she says, "Honey, come get me." 52:44 Yeah. That's right. 52:46 I'm coming, I'm on the way. He is coming. 52:47 You know, I'm on the way. Amen. 52:49 He is on the way because He loves you just that much. 52:50 Praise the Lord. Yeah. 52:52 We've got to go to our news break 52:53 and we will come back and put a little bow on this 52:54 before we say goodnight. |
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