Participants: John Lomacang (Host), Sam Ocampo
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY015085A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:06 Hello, friends. And welcome to 3ABN today. 01:09 My name is John Lomacang. 01:11 If you've tuned in before you know me 01:13 as one of the staples of the 3ABN family. 01:16 But if this is your first time, let me encourage you to stay 01:20 with this channel as we have 01:21 committed ourselves to the proclamation 01:24 of an undiluted Three Angles' Messages, 01:26 one that will counteract the counterfeit 01:28 in preparation for the coming of the Lord. 01:30 But today you'll discover the gospel is not only one 01:32 that is preached, 01:34 but music is very much 01:36 a part of the proclamation of the gospel. 01:38 The Bible says in Psalms 100, 01:40 "Let everything that has breath praise the Lord." 01:43 And then, the Psalmist mentions all the instruments. 01:46 And today, I know that our guest 01:48 is one whose life has been dedicated to the Lord 01:51 to uplift Jesus in his music, 01:54 in his gift, and in his ability. 01:57 And I want to welcome him at this time. 01:59 Sam, good to have you here. 02:00 Pleasure to be here with you, John. 02:02 I'll tell you, we had a rich history together 02:04 being on some of the same road 02:05 and we'll talk about that in a movement. 02:07 Absolutely. 02:08 But I'm excited about this interview. 02:10 I didn't know you were coming but they said, 02:12 "Hey, we've got a guest coming on Thursday. 02:14 And we want you to interview him." 02:16 And I said, "Who is it?" They said, "Sam Ocampo." 02:19 I'll take it. Thank you. 02:20 So, we're going to enjoy this interview together. 02:22 Delightful. Thank you, John. 02:24 And, friends, we always praise the Lord when we get a chance 02:27 to sing and give God the glory. 02:30 And I also want to thank you for your prayers 02:31 and always your financial support of this network 02:34 because that's how we keep going and growing 02:37 in preparation for the coming of the Lord. 02:40 Each of us is ministers in our own right but, 02:43 we know God is the power behind this massive engine 02:45 that's been going now for 31 years 02:48 and we give God the glory for all that He has done. 02:51 But-- because our guest is a musician, 02:56 we're not gonna lead into a song first, 02:59 we're gonna first talk to our guest and then we're gonna 03:03 bless you by the way with four songs. 03:05 So, if you want to record this program, 03:07 I would say you will be blessed over and over again 03:11 if you right now hit the record button. 03:13 If you're digital, you know, 03:14 how that goes you can make the adjustments accordingly. 03:17 But so good to have you here, Sam. 03:19 You know, there are those people 03:20 that are watching this program that say, 03:23 "I don't know who's Sam Ocampo is?" 03:24 So, begin by giving us, just first the snippet, who you are? 03:28 Where you're from? 03:29 And kind of, what you do right now? 03:30 Actually, what you have been doing? 03:32 Gladly. Yes. 03:33 John, I was born in Peru, South America. 03:37 And at the age of 14 my parents moved the family 03:41 to the United States. 03:43 Okay. 03:44 I am the oldest of four children. 03:46 My father is a preacher, also a professor 03:51 and we moved to Mountain View, California at age 14, 03:56 and I had already started with music lessons in South America. 04:01 And when we moved to Northern California, 04:04 they found a good teacher 04:06 at Stanford University in Palo Alto 04:09 and I continued my formal legit training. 04:15 Yes. 04:16 Then I heard some beautiful Music, there was a little bit 04:20 more improvisational in style, gospel music 04:24 and I started getting interested in that so, 04:27 my musical style branched out, it expanded 04:31 so I from the classical training, 04:34 I have moved into other genres, other areas of music as well. 04:40 So music was the first part of my life, 04:43 I should say that I'm known for. 04:45 But in addition to that, I also have a business degree. 04:50 Most of my life has been spent as a businessman 04:53 working for health care organizations, 04:55 most recently Adventist Health 04:57 prior to that Sutter Health in Sacramento. 05:00 Yes. 05:01 And prior to that my mentor organization 05:05 was Lakeland Health in Michigan. 05:07 Okay. 05:09 So I'd been able to combine both-- 05:11 I should say sides of the brain, 05:13 the systematic side and the artistic side. 05:15 That's good. 05:16 That was a mouthful of an answer, wasn't it? 05:18 No, but that's good. 05:19 Because a lot of times people need to know 05:21 what's behind the face, the voice, the gift, the skill, 05:24 and the blessing and-- 05:26 but also let me just, let's go down the next role 05:29 because you talked about your foundation being developed. 05:32 Was it because your family was musical? 05:34 How did that seed get planted? 05:37 My family was musical and I think my parents discovered 05:40 a certain talent of my being the oldest. 05:44 So they wanted to develop that. 05:47 My first teacher was an aunt of mine in South America 05:50 and then immediately I started working with her teacher, 05:53 a concert pianist who had worked in Paris 05:56 and worked with some of the better known 06:00 and more, you know, reputed musicians in Peru. 06:05 She worked with Claudio Arrau, 06:07 for example a classical pianist from Chile et cetera. 06:10 So that's what got me into the music. 06:13 It was my parent's interest. 06:15 And it's a musical family and being church people, you know, 06:19 we are always involved with the instruments, 06:22 with the singing or the praising. 06:24 So my father was a pastor, so at the time 06:28 so I was able to contribute to the ministery 06:31 as a family member. 06:33 And just to-- I want to get to a song here 06:35 in just a short moment 06:36 but we also share a common connection 06:38 and that's the Heritage Singers. 06:40 Absolutely. When did you begin with them? 06:42 I started with Heritage Singers in 1977. 06:45 Okay. 06:47 I started conversations in late '77 06:49 and I think we started playing in '78. 06:51 Okay. 06:52 I think, John, that I'm the first Latino 06:55 that started with Heritage Singers back then. 06:57 You know, I'm rolling back my roller desk the old word 07:01 and I think you are correct. 07:02 Yeah, yeah. I think so. 07:04 Because Fernando came like about '82. 07:07 Exactly right. Right. 07:08 Exactly right. 07:10 And my brother Nino is a bass player also very good musician. 07:13 Oh, yeah, yes. 07:15 And he started about a year later 07:17 with the Heritage Singers. 07:19 Max called him and Nino still plays with them. 07:21 I know, we did some traveling together. 07:23 We went to Philippines in 2009, I was there with him 07:25 when we sang in Cebu. 07:26 Fascinating. Absolutely. 07:28 Wow. Absolutely. 07:29 I've enjoyed that relationship immensely. 07:31 I've been a huge fan of the harmonies 07:35 especially the harmonies of the '70s 07:38 that the Heritage Singers, you know, 07:40 came up with this innovative. 07:41 That's right. 07:43 You know, they are almost like the lighthouse 07:45 and we've come this far by faith and just praise-- 07:48 "I'm willing Lord." "I'm willing Lord." 07:50 Were you on that one? I wasn't. 07:52 I wasn't but that's when I was in my early stages 07:54 of coming back to the church 07:56 and that album still this very day, 07:58 the harmony and the message of that music is just-- 08:00 And the beautiful orchestrations of those albums. 08:02 You know, I can hear those strings 08:04 and all that big music which-- 08:05 Tom King I think arranged that album and the prior ones 08:08 that I mentioned were arranged by Ron Huff. 08:10 But, you know, they put together amazing, 08:12 amazing products. 08:14 So I was a huge fan, I learned from it. 08:16 I feel mentored and I tell Max all the time 08:18 that he is a mentor of mine. 08:20 You know, I want to get to one of the songs, 08:22 lead us into this first one it's kind of people 08:25 that have been around for a while 08:26 may recognize the medley as 08:28 "Oh Danny Boy" but it's also the same music 08:30 that is put to the words 08:32 "Amazing grace shall always be my song of praise." 08:35 Absolutely. 08:36 Dottie Rambo, one of my favorite songwriters 08:39 in the religious realm 08:41 put words to "Danny Boy" and I think he "Saw My Need, 08:46 Beyond My Fault." 08:48 Is it "Beyond My Fault and Saw My Need." 08:49 And "Saw My Need." What a beautiful word? 08:51 You know, what a beautiful expression of a feeling? 08:55 So, yeah, put together a medley 08:58 based on that beautiful melody "Danny Boy." 09:02 So I hope that people enjoy it. I think we're gonna celebrate. 09:05 When I sit down on the piano, I sometimes don't know 09:08 what I'm going to play and I like that spontaneity. 09:11 So, you know, I'm going to be surprised as well 09:14 as we listen to it. 09:15 All right, we will sit back and enjoy this song. 14:05 Praise the Lord for the nuances of that message. 14:10 You began with "No More Night." 14:12 Tell us some of those medleys that were in there. 14:15 Like I told you little earlier I sometimes don't know 14:17 what I'm going to play 14:19 and I thought that these three songs would go together nicely 14:23 "No More Night" going into "Danny Boy" 14:27 or "Amazing Grace" 14:29 and then ended up with a tribute 14:32 that I'm starting to do for Andrae Crouch 14:36 who passed away about 12 months ago. 14:37 Yes. 14:38 And the last song I played was "Through It All" 14:41 one of the best songs ever. 14:43 "Through It All I've learned to trust in Jesus 14:45 I've learned to trust in God I thank God for the mountains 14:49 Thank Him for the valleys" 14:50 It's just a gorgeous, gorgeous song. 14:52 So, you know, that's what goes through my mind 14:54 and sometimes I don't know what I'm going to play. 14:57 Sometimes it just comes. 14:59 It is those mountains and those valleys 15:01 that develop our perseverance 15:05 and it is those valleys where we, 15:07 where we know that it's only temporary 15:10 but it's also at the mountain tops 15:12 that we remember that those are temporary. 15:14 So our lives as Christians are valleys and mountains, 15:16 valleys and mountains 15:18 and through it all, we learn to trust, 15:21 we learn to trust the Lord. 15:22 Absolutely. 15:23 Let me, let me, you have been and-- 15:26 but I want to plan it also as when you play, 15:28 you don't just play, you connect to your music. 15:34 I look at musicians as a musician myself as a-- 15:37 I may even use a phrase "we are ministers of music." 15:38 Yes. 15:40 You know, musicians are musicians 15:41 but ministers of music, their skill and their gift 15:44 is in charge of the Holy Spirit and powers it. 15:48 I look at the way you connect to the instrument 15:51 because you are not just connecting to the keyboard 15:52 but you are connecting to the message 15:54 and the person behind the music. 15:56 Well, that's what that is in your life. 15:57 That's an excellent observation and I want to share with you 15:59 that I listen to very, very little piano music. 16:03 I listen to vocal music and I'm desperately 16:08 trying to find words on the notes that I play 16:12 because I'm interested in conveying a message. 16:15 That's right. A message of hope. 16:17 A message of grace. A message of love. 16:21 And that comes through notes and words. 16:24 That's right. 16:26 So I sometimes in the studio, I would take the text 16:29 instead of the notes and look at the text 16:32 "Through It All." 16:34 I've been so many places, you know, "Through it all, 16:37 I've learned to trust in Jesus." 16:40 "My Tribute" "To God be the glory." 16:42 I look at the text and try to convey 16:44 that message of that text through the music, 16:48 through the keys, through the piano. 16:52 When you come to place of appreciation 16:54 lead us into the next song which is "Thank You Lord." 16:57 What motivates you to want to include that 17:00 in your repertoire, 17:01 "Thank You Lord?" 17:03 I was doing an interview not too long ago actually, 17:05 two weeks ago in Loma Linda, California 17:08 and at the end Dr. Ross, the interviewer asked me, 17:12 "What would you like to tell the audience? 17:14 What feelings do you want to share with the audience?" 17:17 And they pointed the camera and I said, "Gratitude." 17:21 I feel very grateful for everything 17:25 that has come my way. 17:26 Even like the songs as for the trials that come my way. 17:30 That's right. Yes, we have trials. 17:31 Only coming to make me strong. Absolutely. 17:33 You know the words of that song. 17:35 It's one of the more popular songs 17:37 that I've been associated with 17:39 and it is a song of gratitude, "Thank You Lord." 17:44 So we are gonna sit back and listen to this 17:46 and what I want to convey to the audience is, 17:49 as you journey and you've been, 17:50 you talked about 1979 17:52 connecting with Heritage Singers, 17:55 your journey from Peru to America, 17:57 going to different schools. 17:58 And what I want to connect 18:01 to this song of the appreciation, 18:03 the gratitude. 18:06 Without gratitude, we cannot appreciate 18:09 what God is doing through us. 18:11 And what the Lord is doing through you is more to me, 18:14 is more-- let me just rephrase, 18:16 what the Lord is doing not only through you 18:18 but to you is a part of the great point of gratitude. 18:22 Because who we are before we begin in our music 18:24 and who we become is always about giving God the glory. 18:27 Wouldn't gratitude be the opposite of entitlement? 18:31 Oh, wonderful. 18:33 So, you know, gratitude is-- it is an acceptance 18:38 that we don't deserve anything. 18:39 That's right. 18:40 We are grateful for what we get. 18:42 So "Thank You Lord" is a song of gratitude. 18:45 Okay. Let's listen to this wonderful song 18:47 speaking of the place 18:49 where we find that what God does through us 18:51 surely is deservant of praise. 23:15 I know right now you're being blessed as you are soaking in, 23:18 saturating in the message through that song. 23:21 When a person ceases to be thankful then, 23:24 as the story in the Bible of the ten lepers 23:28 that were healed, 23:31 the Lord said "Where are the nine?" 23:32 Because only one came back to give God, praising God, 23:36 to give God the gratitude. 23:37 And it's that those intersections of gratitude 23:39 that we find, 23:40 our relationship with God begins to flourish. 23:43 'Cause I believe that when 23:45 we recognize the source of our blessings, 23:48 then God want somebody to testify of His goodness. 23:51 It is the goodness of the Lord 23:52 that leads us to that repentance place. 23:55 Sam, tell us about your recordings? 23:58 You have been recording for, 24:00 you've talked about for numbers of years, 24:01 I don't want to calculate the number of decades 24:04 but I believe, you have numbers of recordings 24:07 that I want our audience to able to access. 24:10 We're gonna give them the address 24:11 at the end of the program. 24:12 But walk us through some of your recordings, I see a nice-- 24:14 Absolutely. You have a nice stack there. 24:15 Yeah. 24:17 These are most of my recordings. 24:19 Yeah. 24:20 I started recording, John, in 1977. 24:25 I was, you know, a teenager 24:27 and I decided to go to the studio 24:30 and I connected with Jeff Wood. 24:33 Yes. 24:35 Who wrote "Side By Side We Stand" and many other songs 24:37 and he and I are friends. 24:39 And I said, Jeff, would you consider? 24:40 So we went to the studio 24:42 and recorded this album called "Gently," 24:43 you know, with some classical numbers and songs 24:48 like "I'm Willing Lord" you've mentioned that song. 24:51 "Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus" Turn your eyes, yeah. 24:52 I have decided... Yeah. 24:54 Little Flowers. 24:56 "Say I Do" remember "Say I Do?" Yeah. 24:58 "Have You Did That." "Have You Did That." 25:00 Something-- et cetera. 25:01 So right after that we did, "Thank You Lord" 25:03 we just learnt. 25:04 Right. We just-- 25:06 The song you just played from that. 25:07 Is this one here, "Thank You Lord." 25:09 So yeah, we've done many, many recordings and the latest one 25:13 is a very exciting recording that I had the opportunity 25:16 to do at Capitol Studios in Hollywood. 25:19 Scott Reed, you probably know Scott. 25:21 Yeah, we sang together for quite a few years. 25:23 And sing with him, right? Oh, yeah. 25:24 He and I went to Capitol. 25:26 This is the first vocal album 25:27 that I have produced completely. 25:30 There's a lot of vocals in my piano and orchestra albums 25:33 but this is a completely vocal album excited about. 25:37 It's called "In The Morning" and it has a song 25:40 that I have written the words for in it as well. 25:43 And "Through It All" is on here. 25:45 "Through It All" is on there. 25:46 And my tribute "To God Be the Glory" is on it. 25:48 "Until Then." "Until Then." 25:50 Famous song I just did with the 3ABN's project. 25:53 I'd love to hear it. Yeah. 25:55 And matter of fact, Lari Goss orchestrated it. 25:59 I mourn his passing. 26:01 Lari and I were friends and worked together 26:04 on the very first Steve Darmody album. 26:07 I see your brother Nino there. 26:08 Nino is there and Chuck Berghofer is there with him, 26:11 another bass player who played for Frank Sinatra for 20 years, 26:15 Chuck Berghofer. 26:16 Wow. 26:17 This was a very fun album to record with Al Smith 26:19 who is a 25 Grammy award winner engineer 26:24 and the Diana Krall band people were there. 26:28 Yes. You know, Peter Erskine. 26:30 Oh, it's a very, very fun album to do 26:31 but also we've done some piano only albums like hymns. 26:34 I know. Just only hymns. 26:36 Yes. Et cetera. 26:38 So, yeah, I'm very, very excited 26:40 about this "Homecoming" album was very exciting to do. 26:44 You have some on here, "No One Ever Cared" "What A Friend" 26:47 "I Know Who Holds Tomorrow" 26:48 that's a song that's been around a while 26:50 but it hasn't had the visibility, 26:53 I should say the audibility that that it deserves. 26:56 It's one of my favorites. 26:57 I'm glad to know you have that one. 26:58 No One-- "I Know Who Holds Tomorrow." 27:01 "I Know Who Holds Tomorrow" I had played it here earlier. 27:04 And "Homecoming" is, you know, 27:06 paying tribute to the gospel music 27:09 and the music of, you know, 27:10 the Gaithers and the Heritage and songs like, you know... 27:15 "Daystar" "He Touched Me." "What A Precious Friend Is He." 27:18 Oh, yeah, famous Heritage one. The "Lighthouse" is in there. 27:21 That's right. So, yeah, a lot of fun. 27:24 It's, you know, it's amazing when you think of the trans-- 27:28 when you think of the transformation of music, 27:30 you know, let me just tell you, I think back on 27:32 when I first started singing and I just said this to myself. 27:35 Matter of fact, my wife and I kind of giggle about this 27:38 every now and then because I said, 27:40 "The way that I sang when Heritage Singers hired me, 27:44 I would never have hired me." 27:46 And I said, "Which is evidence that God saw in me 27:51 something worth developing." 27:52 And I know you look back at the journey of your playing, 27:54 can you-- do you remember those days? 27:56 Absolutely. Talk about some of those. 27:59 Is the simplicity of it, you know, 28:01 but I'm amazed that the fact that the very first album 28:04 that I showed you earlier people still play 28:07 and they appreciate the simplicity. 28:08 And I'm sure that Max saw that raw talent of yours 28:14 when he hired you as well. 28:15 That's a blessing we've sang it here. 28:17 Absolutely. 28:18 So is the simplicity that I think goes through 28:22 and touches people's hearts. 28:23 And my early albums have a lot of simplicity on them as well 28:27 and I've tried to keep the simplicity. 28:29 My job, John, is to take away notes, 28:33 to take away sounds instead of adding on. 28:35 The more I can take away, the more the ones that stay count. 28:39 Wow. Yeah. 28:40 And I think you mentioned that about Evie, Evie Tornquist. 28:42 So Evie Karlsson now. Yes. 28:44 Yes. Yes. 28:46 The simplicity of her music she was not one 28:47 that added a whole lot of frills 28:49 but-- so the message doesn't get lost. 28:50 Exactly. The ones that stay count. Wow. 28:53 The ones that-- you know, 28:55 that's a musician inside though, 28:57 don't add so much that the message get lost. 29:00 Simplicity allows the beauty of the message to shine through. 29:04 I mean, listen to Miles Davis. That's true. 29:07 You know, how many knows that Miles plays 29:09 but everyone that he plays counts, you know. 29:12 That's true. That's true. 29:13 Same with Ben E. King, same with Nat Cole 29:16 and then with Evie, 29:17 you know, it's just that they've perfected their craft 29:22 to make those simple expressions be powerful. 29:27 And that's where the miracle 29:29 of the transforming message comes through. 29:32 It doesn't have to be squeezed through, 29:34 it comes through unobstructed. 29:37 And to talk to our Adventist audience 29:39 the simplicity of my dear friend 29:41 who just turned 92, Del Delker. 29:43 That's right. 29:45 She taught me several of these songs here. 29:46 Here now, "The Love Of God" 29:47 and "No One Ever Cared for me Like Jesus." 29:49 That's her signature "The Love Of God." 29:51 And the simplicity but the depth, the conviction, 29:55 the passion that she had. 29:58 "It Took A Miracle" walk us into that song. 30:01 I love. 30:03 I compare John W. Peterson who wrote "It Took A Miracle" 30:08 to Irving Berlin in the nonreligious realm. 30:12 Right. 30:14 Because they both wrote simple 30:15 and they both wrote words in music. 30:18 And the words of "It Took A Miracle" are amazing. 30:21 "It took a miracle to put the stars in space. 30:25 It took a miracle to place the world in place." 30:31 Punch line when "But when He saved my soul, 30:34 Cleansed and made me whole, 30:36 It took a miracle of love and grace to make me whole." 30:40 That's right. That's right. 30:41 To me that is just so powerful and I tried to do that 30:44 as much as I can in every concert 30:46 that I can to do that song "It Took A Miracle." 30:49 You know, as a pastor I could see the Lord spoke, He said, 30:52 "He spake, and it was done, he commanded, 30:53 and it stood fast." 30:54 That's His creation but we were 30:57 the development of the skillful patient hand 31:00 of not only a Creator but a re-Creator, a Redeemer, 31:04 the one that molds us to be like Him. 31:06 My favorite text in the Bible has become 1 John 3, 31:11 "Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, 31:14 that we should be called the children of God! 31:17 Beloved, now we the children of God, 31:19 and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, 31:21 but we do know that when He is revealed, 31:23 we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is." 31:26 That's the greatest miracle of all that one day 31:29 we could be like Jesus. 31:30 The miracle of love and the miracle of grace. 31:33 Wow. 31:34 The miracle of creation and the miracle of salvation. 31:38 I love it. That's right. 31:39 Sit back and enjoy this beautiful song, 31:42 "It Took A Miracle" and then think about it 31:45 as it's being played 31:46 the miracle that is happening in your life. 36:51 Wow. 36:53 I know you've heard music before 36:54 but you never heard music cooked like that. 36:57 That was a recipe. That was a recipe. 36:59 You know, somebody once asked my wife, 37:02 "Can I have your recipe?" 37:03 She says, "Even if I gave it 37:05 you couldn't make it the way I make it." 37:07 And that's what I want to say about the song. 37:09 We would listen to the notes but the beauty of the music 37:12 that I'm listening today, Sam, is that these are-- 37:16 this is coming from your heart, your hands, your experience. 37:20 What keeps you driven? 37:22 I mean, you have about-- 37:24 I'm looking about 12 recordings here, 37:26 about in front of me I'm estimating. 37:28 What keeps you going? 37:31 What keeps you going as a minister of music? 37:34 Responses like the one you just showed me 37:39 as you were listening. 37:41 You connect with music, John. 37:43 You are a metro musician, a professional musician 37:47 and you listen to the music, you listen to what I'm playing 37:49 and you connect with it 37:51 what better incentive is there to connect, 37:55 to connect the word grace, to connect the word love, 37:59 to connect the word miracle and make that, 38:04 make that effective in the ear, in the heart of the listener. 38:10 So there is no better incentive. 38:12 It's almost like, 38:13 it's almost like getting hooked on something 38:15 is the connection, 38:18 the response that you get from a listening audience. 38:23 In this case audience of one but are very important one. 38:25 You know, last weekend we were in Los Angeles 38:27 playing for 1,800 people at one of the churches there 38:31 with Larnelle Harris. 38:33 Wow. 38:34 And the connection with the people is just, 38:36 is just very, very powerful, very powerful. 38:40 Scott Peck talks about in his book "The Road Less Traveled" 38:43 about the collapse of the ego boundaries 38:47 and the expansion of the ego boundaries. 38:49 I think as performers, as preachers, as musicians, 38:52 as artists, as poets we are able to collapse 38:56 and expand the ego boundaries 38:58 between the producer and the recipient of the art. 39:02 And in our case we have a much higher message 39:05 which is the message of eternity of grace, 39:07 of miracles and of love. 39:08 That's right. 39:10 Wonderfully said because as a pastor of 29 years now, 39:14 married 32 years 39:15 but the music ministry goes further back than that 39:19 and I have seen through the years 39:21 the difference between 39:23 "I want to sing this song right to, 39:25 I want to communicate the song." 39:28 Communication-- Max told me something a number of years ago 39:30 and we share the same affinity there with Heritage Singers 39:33 and so much of who we are 39:34 as wrapped up in our experience with Heritage 39:36 which I will never trade for anything. 39:37 Me either. 39:39 And-- Absolutely true. 39:40 You know, there are so many people whose-- 39:42 I would say to Max and Lucy and I'd say this, 39:44 "They would not know until eternity rolls the impact 39:48 that they have made on the lives of people 39:49 around this globe." 39:51 Every national-- 39:52 good the international music language, 39:53 you've been a part of that. 39:55 Absolutely. Your brother Nino. 39:56 Absolutely. 39:58 I've been a part of that and all the may be 200, 39:59 300 singers. 40:01 I'm so humbled to have been a part of that. 40:03 Yeah. Honored and humbled. 40:05 To be chose not of and I remember I go back to 40:07 when I was chosen now 40:09 because she know Fernando was leaving actually in 1984. 40:13 Quinde. 40:15 Fernando Quinde was leaving in 1984 40:16 and Heritage came to Florida 40:18 and I had a concert that very night 40:20 but my mother-in-law brought tickets 40:22 to the Heritage concert and I said, 40:23 "I can't go." She said, "You have to go." 40:25 Said, "But I can't. I'm 75 miles away." 40:27 She said, "At least come for that second half." 40:30 And, you know, not to disappoint 40:31 but I think it was more than my mother-in-laws drive. 40:35 The Lord said, "Tonight is your destiny. 40:37 They are waiting for you." That is amazing. 40:39 I did not know that story. 40:41 And I auditioned that night and when, 40:42 seven months later 40:43 when they were done for that year 40:45 Greg Mace remembered, 40:46 "What about that guy in Florida?" 40:48 Wow. 40:49 And that's how my journey, 40:50 my wife's journey with Heritage began. 40:52 I did not know that story. 40:53 And we were in the same pools at times through the years, 40:54 you know, when we did the bigger programs 40:56 like the reunions and things you were there and Nino. 40:59 Absolutely. 41:00 Nino and I traveled together too but, 41:02 but the beauty of our message, 41:05 there is a culmination to the gospel 41:06 and we are gonna, we are gonna 41:08 segue out of this portion 41:10 just before our newsbreak into that song 41:12 that I'm just looking forward to hearing as I know, it's-- 41:14 I know what it can do. 41:15 But before I give the address information 41:18 to our audience here, 41:20 those who are listening by radio 41:21 and those who are watching by television 41:23 we want to make this music available 41:26 as purely as we possibly can 41:28 because every musician is as unique as their DNA. 41:33 What do you hope to communicate, 41:35 if you were to give a message 41:36 to those listening and watching this program, 41:38 how will you motivate them? 41:40 What would you say to them to motivate them 41:42 entrusting their lives to the Lord? 41:46 I think it's the honesty. The honesty of the message. 41:50 Listen to your heart, 41:51 listen to the honesty of the message 41:53 and it's easy, it's apparent, it's obvious. 41:59 That's right. Listen, let the Lord-- 42:01 Listen to your heart. Listen to your heart. 42:03 Okay. 42:04 The Lord works in amazing ways through our lives 42:07 and you can hear if you're watching 42:11 you've been extra blessed because you're not only hearing 42:13 but you're seeing 42:14 what difference this music has made in Sam's life. 42:17 And here is the information that you need if you would like 42:19 to invite him to do an individual concert. 42:21 Wherever I believe the Lord opens the doors, 42:24 this servant of music will be willing to walk through. 42:26 Here's the information that you need. 42:33 If you would like to know 42:34 how to receive the music of Sam Ocampo 42:37 or if you would like to get information about booking, 42:40 you can call 626-437-2266 42:44 that's 626-437-2266 42:48 or you can email him at samocampoinfo@aol.com 42:55 that's samocampoinfo@aol.com. 43:00 You can also visit online it's samocampo.com, 43:05 that's samocampo.com. 43:08 Contact him today, he would love to hear from you. 43:17 One of the single most 43:18 important events in the Christian life. 43:21 I mention this and we are gonna lay some foundation here 43:24 for the beauty of the song 43:25 that we're just about to listen to. 43:28 I said to someone, actually earlier today I said, 43:31 "I'm glad that Jesus died for my sins 43:37 but I'm even happier that He rose again." 43:39 Oh, beautiful. Okay. 43:40 So tell us how this song has affected your life, 43:44 this song because I know, 43:45 I'm learning even more indelibly as I have, 43:48 we never had a close one to one time like this before 43:51 but I'm learning more indelibly that this is not music 43:53 that you just like to convey 43:54 because there are songs that are familiar 43:56 but they have done something to you. 43:57 Absolutely. Tell me about "Rise Again." 43:59 Well, the message of "Rise Again" is very simple. 44:03 Wayne Hooper wrote 60 years ago "We Have This Hope." 44:08 That's right. 44:09 "Rise Again" is the song of hope. 44:11 It talks about the go ahead, nail the nails in My hand, 44:16 laugh at me et cetera. 44:19 But then it says but I'll rise again. 44:21 There's a but, you know, like the other one 44:23 "But until then my heart will go on singing." 44:26 This one but I'll rise again. 44:28 And then climatically goes into 44:30 not only I'll rise again but I'll come again. 44:32 That's right. 44:34 So, you know, it's a song of hope 44:36 if we can summarize it with one word. 44:39 Rise again, there's a-- when we travel as you do, 44:44 you touch different continents 44:45 with your music and with your life 44:47 and when we do that, we begin to recognize 44:50 the diversities of religions around the world 44:52 but I see what's so beautiful about Christianity 44:54 is there's no place that we can go 44:56 to memorialize our leader 44:59 who still locked in those behind that stone. 45:02 The stone's been rolled away and truly because of His grace 45:05 He rose again. 45:07 Absolutely. 45:08 But I want our audience to listen to this song. 45:11 You may have heard it before 45:12 but I want you to listen to the words 45:14 as they are communicated through the music 45:17 because sometimes we hear the lyrics 45:20 but I want you to not only hear the lyrics 45:23 that are not going to be sung 45:24 but hear the lyrics as they unfold, 45:26 as the Lord allows them to flow off with the fingertips 45:30 of his servant Sam Ocampo. 45:32 He is not only, He has not only risen again 45:35 but He is coming again. 45:36 Enjoy this song, "Rise Again." |
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