Participants: Ivor Myers (Host), James Rafferty (Host), Jason Bradley, Yvonne Lewis
Series Code: SISS
Program Code: SISS000040A
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00:29 Okay, we're picking up where we left off,
00:31 we kind of had a cliffhanger right there 00:33 and we talked here in the sixth woe 00:36 or... excuse me... the 6th trumpet 00:39 or the 2nd woe about the development 00:41 of the Ottoman Empire under Othman 00:43 and for leading Generals of this vast multitude 00:48 of power under Muslims... the Muslim power 00:53 as it comes together and it seeks now 00:56 not just to having incursions into the Eastern Roman Empire 01:00 but it actually sets its eyes on taking over Constantinople... 01:03 the seat of that empire... 01:05 that's what we're looking at right now 01:06 not just in prophecy but in history 01:08 and so, we're going to look at those time periods, 01:10 we're going to identify them from the Bible 01:13 prophetically and then put some dates on them 01:16 and see if the dates fit the history... 01:18 the record that we have in the annals of history 01:20 and then go through the rest of these verses 01:22 and try to identify 01:23 some of the points that God is making 01:26 in these verses that are really important for us 01:28 so that we can finish up this prophecy 01:30 and move on to Revelation chapter 10. 01:31 Yvonne: Yes... 01:33 James: This is kind of like the second woe, part 2. 01:35 Yvonne: Laughing... 01:37 James: All right, so, let's start with a word of prayer 01:39 Jason, you want to lead us out? Jason: Sure. James: Thank you. 01:40 Jason: "Dear Heavenly Father, we thank you so much 01:42 for bringing us back together to study your Word, 01:44 we ask that you would be with us 01:46 and your Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth 01:48 and be with our Viewers and Listeners as well 01:50 help them to break out their Bibles 01:52 and to study it for themselves, in Jesus' name we pray, amen. " 01:55 All: "Amen... " 01:56 James: So, we kind of left off where we have the 01:59 the second woe starting with this angel 02:04 that is coming from the four horns of the golden altar 02:07 and we identified that as leading us to the Holy Place 02:11 and, therefore, this prophecy is going to be taking place 02:14 in concluding pre-1844, that's really significant, 02:18 it gives us the timeframe of where we are 02:20 and then we looked at the idea 02:24 that there are these four angels that are being loosed 02:26 that are bound in the river Euphrates, 02:27 now I wanted to give a reference for that 02:29 and the reference I want us to look at right now 02:31 is found in Jeremiah 51 02:33 and Jason, if you have those verses for us... 02:36 Jeremiah 51... let's read verses 60 and 63. 02:38 Jason: Okay, starting at verse 60, 02:40 "So Jeremiah wrote in a book all the evil 02:43 that should come upon Babylon, even all these words 02:47 that are written against Babylon. 02:48 And it shall be when thou hast made an end 02:52 of reading this book, 02:54 that thou shalt bind a stone to it, 02:55 and cast it into the midst of the Euphrates. " 02:58 All right, so, the interesting part about this is 03:01 that Jeremiah is writing a book about all of the evils 03:05 that are going to come upon Babylon, 03:06 Babylon was the nation that God used to bring chastisement 03:11 to His apostate people in the Old Testament 03:15 and the Babylonian nation is the same nation 03:18 that God describes as locusts in Joel chapter 2, 03:21 same nation... and so... here's a nation that God raises up 03:25 and He brings against His people and then God says... 03:29 and in turn, they're going to receive these judgments etc 03:33 so, it's interesting because Babylon is a code name 03:37 for God's apostate people in the end of time 03:41 and we're going to see this 03:42 as we get into our 4th prophetic cycle 03:44 that Babylon becomes the code name 03:46 for the end-time apostate church... Christian church... 03:50 and so in Revelation chapter 9 when the 6th angel sounds 03:53 "loose the four angels that are bound in the river Euphrates" 03:56 reminds us of the judgments against Babylon 03:59 that were thrown in the river Euphrates, 04:01 they were written out, tied to a stone 04:04 and thrown in the river Euphrates 04:05 "loose the four angels that are bound in the river Euphrates" 04:08 so, here we have the very... 04:10 the very same connection... 04:13 God is making a connection with the Old Testament 04:14 and these judgments that are coming against Babylon 04:17 Spiritual Babylon being the Papacy or the Christian church 04:21 that's apostatized from Christ... from God... 04:23 and the judgments are being loosed against it 04:26 and that's exactly what we see historically, 04:28 we've already established that but what we're seeing here is 04:31 these judgments that are coming against them 04:33 and it says in verse 15, "The four angels were loosed 04:36 which were prepared for an hour, a day, a month and a year 04:41 to slay the third part of men" now, in earlier verses, 04:45 we know that they will want to torment them 04:48 and we... we identified a specific date 04:50 July 27, 1299... when the torment began, 04:53 and when they started work... but now what happens is 04:56 when the emperor... and I just want to clarify this 04:58 because I may have misstated this last time... 05:01 when the Emperor John Palaeologus deceased, 05:04 he didn't ascend to the throne, he died in 1449 05:08 so he dies in 1449 and there's no one really... 05:12 I mean, I should say Constantine the 13th 05:14 actually takes his place 05:16 but there's no real power and authority, 05:18 it's... it's... it's losing... 05:19 it's diminishing it's power and authority 05:21 the Eastern Roman Empire is... under Constantine the 13th 05:24 and Constantine says, "You know what? 05:25 I can only ascend with permission of the Sultan... " 05:29 the Leader of the Ottoman Empire the Leader of the Muslims, 05:32 "I can only ascend to the throne with his permission" 05:34 so he gets his permission, so in a sense... 05:36 he has acquiesced his authority to this other power 05:41 which gives him permission but decides... a few years later... 05:45 "I want Constantinople... " 05:46 so now, they're just not tormenting, 05:48 they're going to take it out, they're going to kill it, 05:50 they're going to die, the third party... 05:52 those who have apostatized the third part... 05:54 are going to die... and so... they besieged the city, 05:57 this is the first time, I think, we're told 06:00 that they used cannon and gunpowder in war, 06:03 they attack Constantinople and by 1443... 06:06 July 27, 1443... I believe it is no, excuse me, 06:10 July 27, 1449 is when he ascends Constantine the 13th ascends 06:14 and then by 1453, Constantinople falls. 06:18 So we date it to July 27, 1449... 06:22 that's when we date the... this prophetic timeline 06:26 because that's when Constantine the 13th basically 06:31 relinquished his authority to the Ottomans... to the Muslims 06:35 so, from that date we're going to look at 06:37 an hour, a day, a month and a year we're going to look at 06:43 the year, the month, the day and the hour 06:45 of this prophetic timeline. 06:47 Now, when we get into prophecy we know that in the Bible 06:52 it's a 30 month period, Biblically... we go by 31, 06:57 we have 28 or 29 depending on what February looks like, 07:01 but in the Bible, it's 30 days... 07:03 30 days, 30 days, 30 days, that's the cycle, 07:05 the lunar cycle that the Bible's set on so 07:07 when we look at a year... 07:09 we're looking at 30-days-to-a-month times 12... 07:13 so we have for... one prophetic year 07:16 I'm looking at a verse here, it's verse 15... 07:19 "the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, 07:22 a day, a month, and a year... " 07:25 so, the hour would equal 124th of a literal year... 15 days 07:29 one prophetic day would equal one literal year 07:32 one prophetic month would equal 30 literal years 07:35 and one prophetic year would equal 360 literal years 07:38 now we base this on Ezekiel 4 verse 6, 07:41 we want to look at that verse 07:43 there are a couple of verses here, 07:44 but I think if we could just look at one of these... 07:47 Yvonne, can you look up Ezekiel 4 verse 6 for us? 07:49 Yvonne: Yes... 07:50 "And when thou hast accomplished them, 07:53 lie again on thy right side, 07:55 and thou shalt bear the iniquity 07:57 of the house of Judah forty days: 07:59 I have appointed thee each day for a year. " 08:02 James: Now what's significant about this is 08:05 Ezekiel is demonstrating a siege that's coming against Jerusalem 08:11 by order of the Lord, 08:13 so this is a prophecy predicting a siege 08:16 and God is in this prediction... this prophecy, 08:18 He's telling every day that you're going to be 08:21 laying there before the city... is equal to a year 08:23 now we have another siege that's going to come 08:27 against Constantinople and in the context of 08:30 it going down and this... in a sense... this judgment 08:36 trumpet judgment coming against them, 08:38 we have this prophetic timeline 08:40 that comes out to actually 390 literal years 08:44 when you do the day-for-a-year principle and 15 days, 08:47 which is really amazing when you think about it 08:51 because... because God is putting Himself out there 08:54 it's one thing to make a prophecy that's based on years 08:58 and it can be fulfilled certain years 09:01 but this one has to be fulfilled in years and days 09:03 15 days... if it's 14 days it doesn't work 09:06 if it's 16 days it doesn't work so what it's basically saying is 09:10 these powers would assault and take down 09:13 after Constantine the 13th submits to them 09:17 from that date until they in turn submit back 09:22 to the Christian nations, 09:23 they would be in control for 391 years and 15 days. 09:28 James: From July 27, 1449... that takes us to August 11, 1840 09:36 August 11, 1840... what happens in August 11, 1840? 09:41 Basically what happens is the Muslim powers 09:45 have had some in-fighting 09:46 and the Pasha... the Leader of Egypt, 09:49 whose name is... in our understanding, Muhammad Ali, 09:54 Muhammed Ali... Muhammed Ali... 09:56 he has rebelled against the Ottoman Empire, 09:59 and even though it's just one little nation there, 10:02 he's actually doing them harm, he's taken out the navy, 10:05 he's in control... and so what the Turks do is... 10:09 they do kind of the same thing that Constantine the 13th did... 10:11 they rush to Europe and they beg the help of... 10:15 of London and Russia and the powers of Europe, 10:19 the four main powers of Europe, 10:20 they go into a Conference for many days and... 10:23 and the European Powers say, 10:25 "We're going to help you, we're going to protect you 10:29 if Mohammad Ali continues his hostilities towards you, 10:32 we'll back you up" 10:34 so basically, what the Ottoman Empire is doing, 10:36 it's submitting itself to the Christian Powers 10:39 just like the Christian Powers submitted themselves 10:41 to the Ottoman Powers some 391 years before 10:46 now we've got to come to the day so what happens is 10:49 Rafat... this Ambassador for the Ottomans... 10:53 he leaves London on a steamer and he heads down to Egypt 10:57 to give... place into the hands of Mohammad Ali... 11:02 to place into the hands of this Pasha... the agreement 11:07 and when he gets there... he gets there on August 11, 1840 11:13 the very day... 11:15 the very day that this prophecy was to be fulfilled - he arrives 11:19 now he's put in quarantine... he doesn't hand it to him 11:21 but he arrives there... he's there 11:23 so we see an exact fulfillment of this prophecy 11:26 because what happens in the end is 11:29 Muhammad Ali sees him... the Pasha sees him eventually 11:34 and eventually he acquiesces in outward... to the decrees... 11:42 to the agreement that's made with European powers 11:44 and the prophecy is fulfilled... it's over. 11:47 So we see a remarkable fulfillment of prophecy 11:49 in fact when this was first preached 11:51 by a man named Josiah Litch, 11:53 he did not preach as we are doing... he didn't say, 11:55 "Okay, well this 'time prophecy' applies this way" 11:57 even though there were many theologians that say, 12:00 "No, it applies punctiliarly, it's not applying cumulatively" 12:02 this prophecy... he didn't... 12:03 he was not looking back at history, 12:06 he was not calculating from historical references, 12:09 "Well in this date... this happened 12:10 in this date... this happened" 12:12 he was in a sense... but when he came to the date 1840, 12:16 August 11, 1840... he was looking forward, 12:18 the date hadn't happened... nothing had happened yet 12:20 he was still looking forward because 12:23 when he published his first article on this, 12:26 it was... the year was 1838... it was two years before... 12:30 and he had many different 12:32 clarifications that he made 12:34 the differences that he made when he went through this 12:36 but he eventually settled on August 11, 1840 12:40 and when it happened, atheists, agnostics... 12:43 people of no faith or belief were converted 12:47 they wrote him letters, 12:49 he received 100s of letters from people all over the world 12:51 who had... because of his predictions 12:54 and his prophecies that were widely proclaimed 12:56 who had been watching and when they saw 12:58 the arrival of this Ambassador on the very day 13:00 that this prophecy was to be fulfilled, 13:04 and he arrived there... and in a few days 13:07 the Pasha received this summons from the Powers... 13:10 this Edict from the Powers that basically said, 13:13 "You touch these guys, 13:15 they're under our control right now, 13:17 so you touch them... you touch us... 13:19 you mess with them... you mess with us. " 13:20 So it was a reversal 13:22 of the very way the prophecy was enacted... to the very date. 13:23 Yvonne: Wow! 13:25 James: It's an incredible fulfillment. Yvonne: It is. 13:27 Ivor: I want to kind of set this again in context of... 13:32 again, because some of the Listeners will be like, 13:35 "Okay, well... so all this history... this detailed history 13:39 man, what does this... why... what does this mean?" 13:45 So, let's remember that these trumpets are designed to 13:52 allow God's people to advance, okay, 13:54 give sail, if you will, give wind to the Movement 14:04 right, okay, we've got to be encouraged, 14:06 we've got to advance, one of the things we can look at 14:08 immediately is that... when that prophecy was fulfilled, 14:11 guess what? 14:12 The Movement of God got larger, in other words, it was like, 14:18 "Oh yeah, we are right, 14:20 this is a vindication of the Bible... " 14:22 and the other thing... 14:24 because what was being preached at this time, 14:27 was that Christ was going to return in 1844 14:30 this... the fulfillment of this prophecy, 14:33 was almost like... "Advance... 14:36 yeah, yeah, yeah, the time prophecies are right" 14:40 I mean, we've been looking at this thing of 1844 14:43 what we've really had... 14:45 we'd actually had one prophecy before 14:49 that really gave sail, if you will, to the Movement, 14:52 that was 1798... because that prophecy was fulfilled 14:56 in a very similar way, it's very interesting. 14:58 James: A-day-for-a-year principle. 14:59 Ivor: Oh, yeah, a- day-for-a-year principle. 15:00 James: It's been vindicated in all these applications. 15:02 Ivor: Before... I think it was 1797... 15:09 in 1796... there were Scholars who were writing 15:13 that if Bible prophecy is accurate, 15:15 by 1798... next year... 15:18 the Papacy will receive a deadly wound, 15:20 so what's interesting... 15:22 if you look at both of these prophecies, 15:25 the 1798 Prophecy and the 1840 Prophecy, 15:29 both of them solidified the understanding 15:33 of the day-year principle 15:34 which caused the people of God to advance 15:36 now, let me tell you why that's so significant, 15:40 because 1798 would be the "deadly wound" of who? 15:44 James: The Papacy. 15:45 Ivor: The Papacy... 15:47 1840 seems like the deadly wound of who? 15:50 The Ottoman Empire, okay, very interesting 15:54 sounds like both of them received deadly wounds 15:56 within 42 years of each other, here's why that's significant, 16:01 when did the Papacy come into power? 16:04 538 A.D. 16:06 When did Islam come into power? 16:08 622 A.D. 16:10 Within 84 years of each other, 16:13 you've got these two Powers rising on the scene, 16:15 okay, the Papacy first... Islam second... 16:19 both of them are religio-political powers 16:22 okay, both of them deny Christ, not the Holy Spirit 16:30 but God uses one of them to help shut the other one down, 16:35 because the other one... the Papacy is... 16:38 what is it doing? It's attacking the people of God 16:40 so God says, "Okay, you're a religio-political power, 16:43 you're using these powers against my people, 16:45 I'm going to allow a power to rise, 16:47 84 years after they do... 16:49 and they are going to be a thorn in your side for the whole time 16:53 so, when the Papacy shuts down, 16:58 it's... the deadly wound, it's as though God's saying, 17:00 James: "The thorn is not needed anymore. " 17:02 Ivor: Yeah, "The thorn is not needed anymore, 17:03 we're going to shut you down 17:05 but by-the-way as we're shutting both of you down, 17:07 we're going to use this as a trumpet, as it were, 17:11 so that God's people can go, 'Uh, let's advance... '" 17:14 Yvonne: Yeah, yeah, wow. 17:16 James: "Come out of the wilderness... " 17:18 Ivor: "Yeah, we're okay, we got it, 17:20 look at these prophecies, they are being fulfilled, 17:22 we understand that this is vindication 17:24 of what we are believing so, we're going to advance" 17:27 and this understanding 17:29 is really going to tie into what happens 17:32 in Revelation chapter 10. James: It does. 17:33 Ivor: Because in Revelation chapter 10 17:36 it's like... they step back and go, 17:38 "Oh, we were wrong, we'll see that in a moment" 17:41 it's almost like... but they fall back 17:43 on what happens in 1840... in 1798... as a reassurance that 17:48 "No, no, no, no, you guys are on the right track 17:51 don't forget about what happened in 1840, 17:54 don't forget about what happened in 1798... 17:56 you're on the right track, you're just missing something" 17:58 and we're kind of jumping the gun here a little bit... 18:02 James: Yeah, that's right, good, we're connecting... 18:05 Ivor: Exactly... James: It's all connecting. 18:07 Ivor: So, when we talk about like, for example, 18:09 like, James just now went through this whole detail 18:12 of what happened in 1798 Napoleon... and kind of like... 18:16 the political history behind Napoleon 18:18 and how he went in and took the Pope captive 18:21 that history makes sense to us, 18:27 actually some of that history makes sense to us 18:29 in the context of, 18:31 "We understand that it was prophetic 18:33 and not just God saying, 'Hey, I know the future'" 18:36 but that there's a storyline, right, 18:39 the Papacy is wounded so that God's people can advance 18:42 well, the same thing with the history 18:44 we just learned about, 18:46 "Okay, what happened in 1840 August 11, 18:50 how did... what, okay, it's all right... 18:52 I get the details but what is it about?" 18:54 James: Well... Ivor: This is what's happening. 18:56 James: "What's the reason?" Yeah. 18:57 Ivor: "This is the reason... " we step back and we're like, 19:00 "Ah, I get it now... I get it... " 19:03 so, again, we're getting into the trees and looking at the... 19:06 but we step back as well and go, 19:09 "Ah... I get the forest, I see what's going on. " 19:12 James: Which is really interesting that you say this, 19:15 Ivor, because that's exactly why Revelation 10 comes next. 19:18 Ivor: Absolutely. 19:20 James: Revelation 10 is the point... 19:21 the point of the seven trumpets' succession 19:24 the seven trumpets are moving through 19:27 step by step to bring us to Revelation 10 because 19:29 there is the movement of God's people, 19:31 well, how come Revelation 10 wasn't in chapter 7 or 8 or... 19:38 well, the reason is is because God had to show 19:41 the development of history, the development of apostasy, 19:44 how He's judged at... how He gave... 19:46 it says in Revelation's Church of Thyatira, 19:49 how He gave Jezebel time to repent, 19:51 He put her into a bed of affliction 19:53 and gave her time to repent and she repented not, 19:56 now notice this, 19:57 because we're going to read some verses here, 19:58 Jason, read these verses for us right here 20:00 just read the rest of the verses and we'll highlight this point 20:05 as we get through them so read here 20:07 verses 16 through 21 of Revelation 9. 20:08 Jason: Okay, "And the number of the army 20:10 of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: 20:13 and I heard the number of them. 20:15 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, 20:18 and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, 20:21 and of jacinth, and brimstone: 20:25 and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; 20:28 and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. 20:31 By these three was the third part of men killed, 20:35 by the fire, and by the smoke, 20:36 and by the brimstone, 20:38 which issued out of their mouths. 20:40 For their power is in their mouth, 20:42 and in their tails: 20:44 for their tails were like unto serpents, 20:47 and had heads, and with them they do hurt. 20:49 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues 20:53 yet repented not of the works of their hands, 20:56 that they should not worship devils, 20:58 and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, 21:01 and of wood: which neither can see, 21:04 nor hear, nor walk: 21:05 Neither repented they of their murders, 21:10 nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, 21:14 nor of their thefts. " 21:16 James: Okay, so, here's the big picture again, 21:18 God has sent a judgment, 21:20 it's Islam... it's the Ottoman Empire 21:23 and by the way, the fire and the brimstone... 21:27 this reminds us of gunpowder that proceed... 21:30 the gunpowder was used for the first time... 21:34 by the Muslims... in warfare... 21:35 Yvonne: They invented it? 21:37 James: Yes, and it was used at Constantinople... 21:39 the cannons that brought those walls down... 21:41 because the walls were almost impregnable 21:44 the cannon that brought those walls down 21:46 were these huge cannons 21:47 that had never appeared on the battlefield before. 21:49 These guys invented and used gunpowder for the first time 21:53 and that's what we see here with the fire and the smoke 21:55 and the brimstone which issued out of their mouths, 21:56 because as they would ride forth in these armored horses, 21:59 now, this is hundreds of years after their... 22:01 after their initial appearance on the scene of history 22:05 they're using guns and they're shooting those guns 22:09 in the front... as they're going so it looks like the... the... 22:12 the fire and the smoke and the brimstone 22:14 is coming out of the mouth of the horses 22:16 which look like lions 22:18 because they've got all this breastplate on 22:19 and they'd made to look ferocious... and I wish... 22:22 I mean, I've got some pictures of this 22:24 but we don't have them on the Set here 22:26 but... so... but notice... the point is... 22:29 is that, "I gave her space to repent and she didn't repent" 22:32 and what did God want her to repent of? 22:34 Worshipping idols... worshipping idols of gold and silver 22:38 and wood... idol worship was the very reason 22:41 why the Muslims were raised up in the first place, 22:42 they're raised up to... in their minds... 22:46 to cleanse the apostasy of idol worship 22:49 that had come in among the believers 22:52 and that's why they didn't touch people 22:53 who worshipped God, who had the seal of God 22:55 and worshipped God without worshipping idols, 22:57 there was a distinction made between those two groups 23:00 and that's what we see at the very beginning 23:02 and sure it comes out right here toward the very end 23:04 so, we see the same thing with 23:07 Nebuchadnezzar and this locust army, 23:08 what does he do when he goes into Jerusalem? 23:11 He takes Daniel and his friends who are faithful to God 23:14 and he brings them into Babylon 23:16 and then as Daniel and his friends remain faithful to God, 23:19 they're protected and they actually end up being 23:22 put in positions of trust and positions of authority 23:25 you see, so, so we see the same principles... 23:28 God is taking the same principles 23:29 from the Old Testament, from the Book of Daniel 23:32 which also includes the Book of Joel 23:33 and the Book of Jeremiah and the Book of Ezekiel 23:35 and the Book of Isaiah because all those books 23:38 Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel... all prophesied 23:40 of this coming Locust Army, 23:43 Babylonians that were going to chastise and judge God's people 23:46 and then the details show us in Jeremiah 23:48 that they protected those who were faithful. 23:50 The same thing is happening here... 23:52 same exact repeat of history... 23:53 only, this is happening in the context of the Dark Ages, 23:56 in the context of modern history 23:59 as opposed to the Old Testament history. 24:00 So, we're just seeing the cycles repeat and enlarge, 24:03 is there anything new under the sun? 24:04 No, nothing new under the sun, 24:05 we're seeing the same cycles run through them all over again. 24:08 Ivor: I think it's important to point out also that 24:11 this is the same army from under the 5th trumpet 24:13 okay, so, you look at the descriptions there, 24:16 they're pretty much the same so, it's not like 24:19 this is... under the 6th trumpet this is a new army... 24:22 no, it's really... it's the same army of horses, 24:25 same power that we're dealing with 24:28 but the distinction is that under the fifth trumpet 24:31 they only hurt men, tormented men, 24:34 these... these... 24:36 they would raid and then go back raid and go back 24:39 under the 6th trumpet they actually take over 24:42 and they set up camp like, basically in the midst of the 24:48 Eastern Roman Empire and now, everyone's like, 24:51 "Oh, man, are they going to, like, invade all of Europe? 24:53 Is this what's going to happen?" 24:55 So, one of the things that we... 24:57 actually, I don't know remember if we pointed out or not... 25:00 but when Constantinople became Istanbul, 25:02 it became a bulwark of... a haven, if you will, 25:08 for Protestants and Jews 25:11 and anyone who was being persecuted by the Papacy. 25:14 Yvonne: Hmmm... James: It was a safe haven. 25:15 Ivor: It was a safe haven and so again it's interesting... 25:17 Yvonne: It was a refuge? 25:19 Ivor: It was a City of Refuge, if you will 25:21 and... and again we point to the fact that 25:23 what God is doing by using this Power, 25:27 is... He's actually turning the Papacy's own weapon upon itself 25:32 there's a very interesting... 25:35 in Revelation 13, I believe it is 25:37 and we will get there soon... 25:39 James: 8, 9 and 10, yeah. Ivor: but it talks about, 25:42 "he that kills with a sword, must be killed with a sword. " 25:45 "He that leads into captivity must go into captivity. " 25:47 What the... when we put this together, 25:50 the trumpets number 3 and 4... spiritual... 25:55 revealing the weakness of this spiritual aspect of the Papacy. 26:02 These doctrines are unbiblical, they're unsound 26:05 Trumpets number 5 and 6... military... 26:08 remember, what is the Papacy? It is a religio-political power 26:12 and trumpets number 3, 4, 5 and 6 26:15 weaken the Papacy both spiritually and militarily 26:20 in the eyes of Europe and as a result of this, 26:25 we have... what we'll see in Revelation 11 26:29 as the French Revolution which occurs just before 1798. 26:33 All these things worked together 26:35 to help bring about the wounding... 26:38 the deadly wound of the Papacy in 1798. 26:41 James: Really good Ivor 26:43 and I love the way you summarized all of this, 26:44 so, and just to, to add a little bit more to the Revelation 11 26:48 that you've kind of introduced us to, 26:49 so, Revelation 11... God actually tells us 26:52 why this is significant in Revelation 10, 26:55 "it has to do with my people... it has to do with my people" 26:57 then it's... as though He goes backwards, 27:00 the reason why in Revelation 11 we deal with... 27:02 we go back, in a sense, to the Dark Ages 27:04 and then... is to set the stage for the rise of Atheism, 27:07 how did... where did Atheism come? 27:09 Guess where Atheism came out of? 27:11 Jason and Yvonne: Where? 27:12 James: The same bottomless pit that Islam came out of 27:14 because it says, 27:16 "the beast ascends out of the bottomless pit. " 27:17 it says, the same darkness... the same absence of God's Spirit 27:21 the same desolation and chaos that led to the rise of Islam, 27:25 also leads to the rise of Atheism... 27:28 mispresenting God... the absence of God... 27:31 the Dark Ages leads to these two Powers, 27:33 one comes up to chastise, to take out the idol worship, 27:37 the other comes up as a response 27:39 to this misrepresentation of God's character 27:42 it's really interesting. 27:43 Ivor: Its own... its own technique, 27:46 its own tactics... turn upon it. 27:47 James: Yes. 27:49 Ivor: That's what the trumpet is about. 27:50 James: That's basically what that is about. 27:52 Well, we've run out of time again... but it's all good 27:54 because I think we've done justice to this, 27:56 we've summarized it, we're good to go, 27:57 we're going to move into Revelation 10 next. 27:59 Yvonne: Yea... |
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