Participants: Ivor Meyers (Host), James Rafferty (Host), Jason Bradley, Yvonne Lewis
Series Code: SISS
Program Code: SISS000023A
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00:31 Okay, we are still in Revelation chapter 6...
00:34 we are going to summarize the message of the four horses 00:37 and then we're going to look at an incredible parable 00:41 that parallels... a parable that parallels... 00:45 a parallely parable... 00:46 All: laughter... 00:47 Jason: Tongue twister... Yvonne: A tongue twister... 00:50 James: I just say a lot... 00:52 so we're going to look at the four horses 00:54 in relation to a parable that Jesus gave 00:57 in Matthew chapter 13 of the sower and the seed 00:58 and we're going to see some incredible connections 01:00 that take place there, so this is just a summary... I'm just... 01:04 I'm believing that as we've gone through this 01:06 you guys have said, "Yeah, that makes sense 01:08 yeah that makes sense, yeah that makes sense... 01:09 let me rephrase the white horse, let me rephrase the red horse, 01:14 let me rephrase this dark horse, let me rephrase the pale horse 01:17 and just summarize a couple of points that I got out of that 01:21 and then we'll just blow it up with this parable... parallel... 01:24 okay, let's start with a word of prayer, 01:25 Jason, pray for us would you? 01:26 Jason: Sure, "Dear Heavenly Father, 01:28 thank you for another chance to study your word, Lord, 01:31 please be with us, lead and guide our discussion 01:34 as we go over Revelation, in Jesus' name we pray, amen. " 01:36 All: "Amen... " 01:38 James: Okay, so we've got this white horse 01:39 coming forth in the first seal, it goes forth... it says... 01:42 "and he that sat on him had a bow; 01:44 a crown was given unto him, 01:45 he went forth conquering, and to conquer," 01:47 give us a couple of sentences on that, tell us what it means. 01:49 Jason: So the white horse has to do with Christ 01:52 and His people and so 01:54 when it says "conquering and to conquer" 01:57 so when Christ... when you accept Christ into your life 02:01 and He takes over... and it's a daily surrender 02:05 and so He continues to conquer. 02:07 James: Amen... 02:08 Jason: Then... we have the black horse... 02:11 James: Wait right there... no, no, no, no, no... 02:13 you're pulling out there, you're on a roll aren't you? 02:15 We've got to interrupt that roll... 02:17 we're going to interrupt that roll 02:18 and we're going into the red horse and it says here, 02:21 in Revelation chapter 6 and verse 4, 02:23 "And there went out another horse that was red: 02:25 and power was given to him that sat thereon 02:27 to take peace from the earth, 02:29 that they should kill one another: 02:30 and there was given unto him a great sword. " 02:33 Yvonne: What did I do with my notes, 02:35 I'm looking for my notes here feverishly... 02:37 James: Awww... you don't need notes... 02:39 Yvonne: Awww see, easy for you all to say, I know, 02:42 well, the bottom line is that that red... 02:45 equals the dragon or persecuting power 02:49 and it also, we think of red... we think of blood... 02:53 we think of the blood of the saints, 02:56 we think of the church that is associated with... 03:00 with this horse... or the... corresponding... 03:03 and that would by Smyrna, right, and that... 03:07 there was persecution with Smyrna... 03:09 and so, that's what we think of 03:13 when we think of the red... that power... 03:16 and... you know what's interesting to me, 03:19 you guys... too... is that the correlation here 03:22 with the Sanctuary, the Table of Shewbread... 03:25 the "sitting on the north... " because the great controversy 03:31 between God and Satan is ever present 03:35 in these verses to me so when we're looking for 03:40 the great controversy also in the verses we see 03:44 that... you know... the red... equals the dragon 03:48 and persecuting the people of God... 03:50 so to me... that's very... 03:52 James: Yeah, trying to take the place of God... 03:54 trying to take the seat of God, 03:55 trying to be in the sides of the north 03:57 and get the people to his side... 03:59 and he uses persecution to do that, 04:01 that's one of the first ways he uses to do that, 04:03 okay, what's our next horse, 04:04 can you read the next verse for us, Ivor? 04:07 Black horse... 04:08 Ivor: 6:5... it says, 04:12 "And when he had opened the third seal, 04:14 I heard the third beast say, Come and see. 04:16 And I beheld, and lo a black horse: 04:19 and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 04:22 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, 04:25 A measure of wheat for a penny, 04:27 and three measures of barley for a penny, 04:30 and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. " 04:32 James: All right, Jason, what you got? 04:35 Jason: Man! see we should have done this, like two minutes ago. 04:39 All: Laughter... 04:42 Jason: All right, So the black horse represents compromise 04:45 and false balances and then you have... 04:49 it says the wheat and barley represented the bread of life 04:58 which is the Word of God 05:00 and for a penny... which I believe we stated that 05:05 that was like a day's wages so it made it hard 05:11 for people to get the Word of God 05:12 and there was like a famine pretty much, that's what I got. 05:17 James: Good stuff... and oil and wine representing 05:20 those who were filled with the Holy Spirit 05:22 trusting the blood of Christ they were... 05:24 and that's going to take us into the pale horse 05:26 because you got people trusting the blood 05:28 and the pale horse comes and looks like it's... 05:30 Yvonne, what does it look like, tell us. 05:31 Yvonne: okay... 05:33 James: Oh, let's read the verse first... 05:34 Yvonne: Okay... you want me to read it? James: Go ahead... 05:36 Yvonne: So we're in Revelation 6 verse 8, 05:39 "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: 05:42 and his name that sat on him was Death, 05:44 and Hell followed with him. 05:46 And power was given unto them 05:48 over the fourth part of the earth, 05:49 to kill with sword, and with hunger, 05:51 and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. " 05:53 More? James: That's it. 05:56 Yvonne: Okay... so the pale horse 05:59 I had never thought about this before 06:03 when I read the pale horse, why was he pale? 06:05 What did that represent? But... you brought out that 06:09 it represents... you know when you think of somebody 06:11 that's pale... you think of the absence of blood... 06:14 so there's the absence of blood in this horse 06:18 that indicates the blood of Jesus being not... 06:22 people weren't applying the blood of Jesus 06:26 for righteousness so... 06:27 the blood of Jesus was not in this horse so people were not... 06:30 they were not using or applying the blood of Jesus, 06:36 so this led... if the blood is withdrawn... 06:39 because we know that the life is in the blood, 06:42 right, where it says... if the blood is withdrawn... 06:45 now, that leads to us... not us... them... 06:49 not being willing to acknowledge God... leading to Atheism 06:56 so, we look at this whole thing as... this period... 07:02 that was the dark ages, that led into 07:05 Atheism. James: Amen, and that's... 07:07 and another connection there, of course, is death and hell 07:10 so death and hell is connected with that because 07:12 as the blood is removed... you got it... 07:16 Yvonne: That's major... and I... that shouldn't be left out 07:19 because again, it is a misrepresentation 07:23 of God's character to take away the blood of Jesus 07:28 and to use death and hell as a way... as subterfuge... 07:33 it's a way to trick people into thinking that 07:37 God is... God is... a cool tyrant... 07:41 and so, death and hell... the pale horse... 07:46 on that pale horse sat death and hell. 07:50 James: Oh yes... 07:52 Ivor: I think something that's really, really significant is... 07:55 and the Bible says, 07:57 "Greater love has no man than this, 07:58 that he lay his life down for his friend. 08:00 God so loved the world 08:01 that He gave His only begotten Son... " 08:03 that blood is really the most potent representation 08:07 of the love of God, so when the love is removed, 08:11 when the blood is removed, 08:12 you have a picture of a God who is a tyrant, 08:15 who is just... want to be afraid of... 08:18 not want to love and that's the picture that this 08:21 pale horse is presenting of God... 08:23 "Look, there's no blood, there's no love, 08:25 yet, God is the kind of God that will do this forever, 08:28 you know, that will burn you forever, 08:29 and one of the things that we were just talking about 08:33 is the fact that when you look at these last two horses, 08:36 the black horse and the pale horse... 08:37 I bet that it was during the period of the black horse 08:39 that we have instituted the first Sunday Law, 08:43 Sunday sacredness... 08:44 and under the fourth seal... the fourth horse, 08:46 we have this issue of the state of the dead... 08:49 so, these are the two great errors... 08:52 Sunday sacredness and the state of the dead... 08:55 that apostate Christianity uses to deceive the world. 09:00 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 09:01 Ivor: I'm going to find those two issues coming back 09:03 as we move further in the Book of Revelation 09:06 so it's just very interesting that under these two seals... 09:09 these are the two things that are made prominent, 09:12 the changing of the Sabbath and the balance between 09:16 Sabbath and Sunday... "let's compromise" 09:18 and the teaching of death and hell. 09:20 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 09:22 James: And this is why it's so important for us 09:24 to be able to apply these symbols in history 09:26 because you can look at the symbols and you go, 09:29 "Where is the Sabbath in the dark horse right there?" 09:31 What we're doing is, we're showing 09:33 that in the churches and in the seals 09:35 and in the trumpets we're looking at epochs of history, 09:38 these histories in succession 09:39 and when we go back to this historical time, 09:42 in... for example... the time of Constantine, 09:45 we see in history... a change in our Sabbath to Sunday 09:48 and that reminds us that wow! that's when that took place 09:51 and therefore this black horse represents a time 09:54 when the Sabbath was changed, okay, 09:56 an attack on the Sabbath 09:58 and then we go to the history following that and we see... 10:01 oh, this is the time... the church brought in 10:03 this misunderstanding of hell, this misunderstanding of death, 10:07 yes, and these ideas really from... 10:10 a lot of it from Greek thinking... 10:13 of... the ended up becoming 10:17 a total misrepresentation of God's character 10:19 which led people to just turn away from God... Atheism, 10:22 "Oh, this is the basis for spiritualism... 10:25 this is the basis for 10:26 misunderstanding the state of the dead, 10:29 oh, these are two great errors in history 10:31 that are symbolized here in these horses, 10:33 in history we see this phrase, we see the connection, 10:36 oh yeah... and then we get back into the... 10:38 over into the end of the Book of Revelation, we have... 10:41 what's going to come out? It's going to come this way, 10:43 it's going to say in Revelation chapter 14, 10:46 "All nations are drunk 10:48 of the wine of the wrath of her fornication... " 10:50 Okay, "Oh, what's the wine of the wrath of fornication?" 10:51 In her cup she has a... 10:53 in her hand she has a cup filled with wine... 10:56 "What is that wine?" Wine is doctrines... teachings, 10:59 in that context... 11:00 Ivor: The wine is a counterfeit of the blood of Christ, 11:05 James: Yes! the blood of Christ, the wine... 11:08 Ivor: It's a false covenant that they have partaken of 11:12 it's a false understanding of who God is 11:14 His character... His love... His covenant. 11:17 James: And so, right now, someone's listening... 11:19 they're watching this, they're listening to this 11:22 so if someone's had a Bible Study and they said, 11:23 "Oh," like me... "Sunday, that's always been the day... " 11:26 "Well, it's not in the Bible. " 11:28 "It's not in the Bible, where did it come from?" 11:29 "Oh! history... you see... history... " 11:31 you have to go back to history, when we go to history... 11:33 we find, "Oh, Constantine... " "Where is that?" "Right here," 11:36 you see... we make the connection, 11:38 God is giving us the connection right here... 11:40 He's not giving it to us once in the churches, you know, 11:43 He's not giving it to us twice in the seals... 11:44 He's not giving it to us three times in the trumpets 11:47 He has given it to us four times, 11:48 five times even when you go to Daniel, six, seven, eight, 11:51 you know, because Daniel talks about changing times and laws 11:54 "and then it will come... " and so we've got this... 11:56 just this... layer after layer after layer, 11:58 reaffirmation, reaffirmation, reaffirmation... 12:00 so when we lay all these layers out 12:03 and we look at history and check it all out... 12:04 all this comes down, comes down, comes down... 12:06 it's a powerful picture. 12:08 Ivor: So, what you need to 12:09 understand in the Book of Revelation 12:11 is you need to have the understanding of history, 12:13 once you have the understanding of history, 12:15 you just... you study the Book of Revelation 12:17 and I say, "Where does this fall in history? What... " 12:20 and that's why the Historicists' method of interpreting 12:23 the Book of Revelation is so important 12:24 because history verifies... with these other Schools... 12:28 Futurism... you have... you're just guessing 12:30 "this may happen... and we think this will happen... 12:33 and it may happen here or... " 12:34 you're basically left in the dark and you're just guessing. 12:37 Ivor: Preterism... there is no history, 12:40 it's just all in the past, and so 12:43 this is just another reason why 12:45 it's crucial for us to understand 12:47 that without Historicism, 12:50 you cannot understand the Book of Revelation. 12:51 James: Preterism is a little bit of history... 12:54 Ivor: A little bit... but it's all in the past. 12:56 James: Yeah, there's no process, no succession. 12:57 Ivor: Yes. 12:58 Yvonne: For those who did not see the former programs 13:01 about Historicism, what is it? 13:04 James: Historicism is a way we approach the Book of Revelation 13:07 by saying that it's past, present and future, 13:09 so God introduces Himself in the Book of Revelation, 13:12 "I am He that is... that was... and is to come... " 13:15 that's past, present and future, 13:17 "write those things which you have seen, 13:19 the things which are and the things which must be hereafter" 13:22 That's Revelation chapter one verse 19... 13:24 Revelation chapter one, I think it's verse 9... 13:27 and Revelation one verse 4, 13:29 so all of those verses are showing us 13:31 in the introduction to Revelation 13:33 how the Book of Revelation is to be understood 13:35 because John says that he was shown things 13:37 which must shortly come to pass, 13:38 well, that goes all the way back to his time... 13:40 and that's the Apostolic Age, 13:41 well, now we know that there are things in Revelation 13:44 that have to do with the end of time, 13:46 so you've got things that are happening in John's time, 13:48 things that are happening in the end of time, 13:49 what about in between? 13:50 Absolutely, you're looking at Revelation and going, 13:52 "Oh yeah, look at that... 13:53 that's the history that took place here, 13:55 and that's... this... " so you see... that's Historicism 13:57 looking at the whole... in other words... 13:59 sometimes we look at Historicism and say, 14:00 "Oh, you're saying everything's in the past... " 14:02 no, that's Preterism... 14:03 Historicism allows past, present and future, 14:06 and the reason why I think it is the best way 14:09 other than the fact that it's based on 14:11 the introduction to Revelation is that it includes Futurism, 14:14 it includes Preterism, it even includes idealism 14:17 and Idealism is the theological term that... that is used for 14:21 what we've been talking about when we say, 14:23 "This history has application to us in principle... " 14:26 taking the history and learning 14:28 the principles that apply to us is Idealism, 14:29 in other words... Idealists' approach to Revelation... 14:32 they don't care about History at all... they just say, 14:35 "Oh, there's a principle there that applies to us today, 14:37 there's a principal there that applies to us today... " 14:38 Ivor: We need to live with the white horse, 14:40 we need to have our lives... 14:41 we need to go out and spread the gospel, 14:43 but it's all, "How does it deal with me personally, not... " 14:46 James: Not the history at all. Yvonne: Okay, okay... 14:49 James: So, all of that is in Historicism, 14:51 okay, we got to move to Matthew 13, 14:53 this is so beautiful, so powerful, 14:56 Jesus Christ is teaching here, okay, 14:58 and He's teaching... 15:00 and I'm just going to give an overview, 15:02 He's teaching a parable to His disciples 15:04 and in that parable... 15:06 which is called the Parable of the Sower and the Seed, 15:09 He's talking about how the Word of God is going to be sown 15:12 in all of the world, okay, now, 15:14 given that basic understanding 15:17 of the parable of the sower and the seed, 15:19 I'm going to ask you guys, 15:21 knowing the parable of the sower and the seed, 15:23 the sower goes out to seed and he seeds in this ground, 15:27 how many types of ground that he sow seed into? 15:30 Ivor: Four... 15:31 James: How many horses are there? All: Four... 15:33 James: Four... okay... when the sower sows seed, 15:36 how many of those grounds end up being good grounds? 15:38 All: One... 15:39 James: One... how many of the horses are good? 15:41 All: One... 15:42 James: Okay... as he's sowing seed, 15:44 how many of those four grounds end up being bad grounds? 15:45 Jason and Yvonne: Three. 15:46 James: Three... how many bad horses are there? 15:48 Jason and Yvonne: Three. 15:49 James: See... so what you have here... you have 15:51 a perfect connection between what Christ is teaching 15:54 in Matthew 13... 15:56 and what Christ is teaching John in Revelation 6, 15:58 now who opens the seals? Yvonne: Christ... 16:00 James: The Lamb opens the seals, Christ opens the seals, 16:02 so He's opening these mysteries, right, 16:05 He's opening these mysteries... 16:06 things that people can't understand... 16:07 that's what He's opening, so, with that in mind, 16:10 read Matthew 13... and I want you to read 16:12 verses... to start with... verses 13... 15 and 16 16:16 just those two verses, or, excuse me, 15 to 17... 16:21 Yvonne: You want Jay to read or me? 16:23 James: Yes... 16:24 Yvonne: That was very diplomatic, by the way... 16:29 Jason: "For this people's heart is waxed gross, 16:34 and their ears are dull of hearing, 16:36 and their eyes they have closed; 16:38 lest at any time they should see with their eyes, 16:42 and hear with their ears, 16:44 and should understand with their heart, 16:46 and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16:48 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: 16:51 and your ears, for they hear. 16:53 For verily I say unto you, 16:55 That many prophets and righteous men 16:57 have desired to see those things which ye see, 17:00 and have not seen them; and to hear those things 17:03 which ye hear, and have not heard them. " 17:05 James: And the next verse, sorry. 17:07 Jason: "Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. " 17:10 James: Okay, do you get what's happening here? 17:12 This is Jesus... and He's saying, 17:14 "People can't understand what I just said to you, 17:17 because they don't really want to, 17:18 they don't really want to be converted 17:20 but you guys... blessed ye... " 17:22 now, where do we find another blessing? 17:24 Yvonne: Matthew 5? 17:26 Jason: Revelation, is it the first... first chapter? 17:29 James: Yes... "Blessed is he that readeth, 17:30 and keep those things... blessed are you... 17:32 many righteous men have wanted to see this 17:34 now I'm going to tell you, I'm going to unseal it for you. " 17:36 Ivor: Come and see... 17:37 James: Come and see... come and see, come and see... 17:40 it's the same thing... okay, in other words... 17:42 Jesus is on the earth He's walking on earth... 17:44 He's getting inspired... and people aren't getting it, 17:47 so then when He's summarizing the entire Bible 17:49 and the gospel and salvation, He gets these four horses 17:51 and people are like, "oooh... what are those? 17:53 oooh let's check this out... " see... 17:56 it's curiosity that draws us and as we're drawn... 17:59 then Jesus unfolds the gospel of salvation all over again, 18:02 see that's His point, 18:03 it's not some mysterious, terrible war, 18:05 it's the gospel of salvation, it's a war... 18:07 but it's the gospel of salvation... 18:09 the war... the conflict... between good and bad... 18:12 okay, now, let's just read and as we read, 18:16 Ivor, read these verses for us 18:17 and as you read... I want these guys to identify for us 18:20 what horse connects with each one of these types of ground. 18:24 Jason: Okay, so I'll start with verse 19... 18:26 and it says, "When anyone heareth the word of the kingdom 18:29 and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, 18:32 and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. 18:35 This is he which received seed by the way side. " 18:38 James: Okay, misunderstanding God, 18:40 what force generates a misunderstanding of God? 18:44 Okay, read verse 20. 18:48 Jason: "But he that received the seed into stony places, 18:52 the same is he that heareth the word, 18:54 and anon with joy receives it; 18:56 Yet hath he not root in himself, but endures for a while: 19:00 for when tribulation or persecution arises 19:03 because of the word, by and by he is offended. " 19:05 James: Okay, what horse connects 19:07 with tribulation and persecution? 19:10 Yvonne: Three... is it the third horse? 19:13 Oh persecution... that's the one, I get it, 19:16 um... the red horse... 19:18 James: The red horse... all right, 19:20 so we got one horse hooked up right now, right, 19:23 red horse is the sowing of the seed in this ground 19:26 where we have tribulation and persecution coming up, 19:30 all right... next verse... verse 22... 19:33 Jason: Verse 22... "He also that receives seed 19:36 among the thorns is he that hears the word; 19:38 and the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, 19:43 chokes the word, and he becomes unfruitful. " 19:48 Jason: I would say that that's the black horse... 19:53 James: That's the black horse... you've got the world coming in 19:56 you've got the world choking out... 19:58 okay, let's go to verse 23. 20:02 Jason: "But he that received seed into the good ground 20:05 is he that hears the word, and understands it; 20:08 which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, 20:11 some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. " 20:14 James: Okay. Yvonne: That's the white horse. 20:16 Ivor: That's the white horse. James: So what horse is left? 20:18 Jason: The pale horse... 20:19 James: And the pale horse is all about misrepresenting God, 20:23 misunderstanding God... see that? 20:25 Jason: Now the pale horse is that like... 20:28 salvation by works... 20:30 James: Yes, absolutely, and so is the black one 20:34 and so is the red one, what's really interesting... 20:37 when you get to the trumpets, 20:39 we're going to have a revelation of all these "isms" 20:42 Judaism... Paganism... Islam... Catholicism... all... Atheism... 20:48 all these "isms... " but they all have one things in common 20:50 all of them have a basis... 20:52 are based on the foundation of future merit. 20:54 The only way you can get out of that foundation 20:58 in any religious institution or teaching... is grace... 21:01 grace is the unique ingredient 21:04 that is brought to us in the gospel of Jesus Christ, 21:08 unmerited favor... and when... as soon as you stir from grace, 21:11 as soon as you pervert grace, as soon as you change grace, 21:14 as soon as you mess with grace, 21:16 you undermine the gospel completely, 21:17 because... because unmerited favor 21:19 motivates the heart, 21:21 unmerited favor just takes hold and captivates us... 21:23 captivates us... takes us prisoner. 21:26 Ivor: I'm going to share something 21:28 that I think is really interesting 21:30 in terms of this sower... you know the sower is Christ 21:34 and as I've read this parable, you know, 21:37 if you want to be efficient in seed sowing... what do you do? 21:41 You're going to put the seed 21:43 where it's going to produce fruit, 21:45 but I've read this... I'm like... 21:48 "Why does the sower allow seed 21:50 to fall on these different grounds?" 21:53 The seed is the Word of God, okay 21:55 and to me it just says, "You know what? 21:58 To Christ it doesn't matter whatever condition you are in, 22:00 he's going to throw that seed... " 22:02 and here's how we know 22:04 that Satan is deathly afraid of the seed 22:06 because look right there in verse... 22:10 verse 19... "When anyone heareth the word 22:13 of the kingdom and understandeth it not, 22:15 then cometh the wicked one 22:17 and catches away that which was sown 22:20 in his heart... " and if you go back over... 22:22 just look at verse... let's see, verse four, I believe it is, 22:28 verse 3... "And he spake many things 22:31 unto them in a parable, saying, 22:32 Behold, a sower went forth to sow: 22:33 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, 22:36 and the fowls came and devoured them up... " 22:39 so here's the question, 22:40 if the seed falling on the wayside means, 22:43 "Oh yeah, nothing's going to happen" 22:44 why wouldn't the fowls just leave the seed alone? 22:47 Why wouldn't they just... "oh... " 22:49 no... but the devil is so afraid of what the Word of God can do 22:53 even when it falls by the wayside 22:55 that he'll come and snatch it, he'll come and snatch it... 22:58 he can't run the risk of these wayside hearers, 23:01 these stony ground... because guess what... 23:03 before we came to the Lord, we were one of these grounds, 23:07 All: Hmmm... yes... 23:09 Ivor: We weren't good like... "I am good... " no... 23:10 I was a stony... we were stony hearers... 23:13 we were one of these other grounds 23:15 and the seed was able to penetrate that ground 23:18 and turn us into the... 23:20 James: The Word of God is powerful. 23:21 Ivor: Exactly, so... none of us are born on a white horse, 23:24 right... we come into this world... 23:28 it's just like... you know... okay, we're dealing with red... 23:30 we're dealing... we hate... 23:32 we're dealing with anyone of these... 23:34 James: Compromise... Ivor: Exactly... 23:36 James: bloodless... lifeless... 23:37 Ivor: Yes, so the rider on the white horse is going forth 23:39 to conquer and to pull people 23:42 from these different grounds into where He is. 23:45 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... James: Yeah, yeah, powerful. 23:47 Yvonne: That's the good Word... 23:49 James: It is and this is... 23:50 another thing that's really significant about this is, 23:52 this is the gospel of Matthew, 23:54 this isn't the Book of Revelation 23:56 this is the gospel of Matthew, okay, 23:58 so, this is Jesus talking in the gospel of Matthew, 24:02 but it's Jesus also in the Book of Revelation, 24:05 see... it's the revelation of Jesus Christ, 24:07 it is the gospel... I like to say it this way... 24:11 Revelation is the fifth gospel of the Bible... 24:14 Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and Revelation 24:18 because the Book of Revelation 24:19 is the revelation of Jesus Christ 24:21 and it is the revelation of the gospel of Jesus Christ 24:24 and when we get past the symbols 24:26 and we identify what they mean, "Whoa, wait a minute... " 24:28 okay, these symbols represent these four horses... 24:31 they are four ages in time 24:33 and they represent in symbolic language 24:36 the Christian experience, you have the Apostolic Age 24:39 and you have: accepting Christ, uniting with Christ, 24:41 bringing Christ forth, His birth, His life, His death, 24:45 His resurrection, that's what you're all about 24:46 and as you do that, you connect with him, 24:48 you go forth conquering and to conquer 24:49 and Satan hates that so he tries to persecute you, 24:52 that was in an age in time but it's applicable to us today 24:55 and if that doesn't work he tries to get in there 24:57 and compromise, he gets you to compromise, 24:58 you know, compromise... 24:59 and then he comes and he tries to misrepresent God's character, 25:04 he tries to get you off thinking... "Well, you know... " 25:06 and I know... I've... every one of us probably knows somebody 25:09 or is close to somebody who was a believer or a Christian 25:12 but something happened in their life, 25:14 maybe a death in the family and they're like, 25:17 "How can God allow this to happen, 25:19 how can God allow my dad to die, my child to die?" 25:22 And so, that rider on that pale horse is trying to 25:26 separate us from Christ... the White Horse, 25:29 but... and here's the verse I love 25:31 us to just close with on this whole thing, 25:34 to summarize all of this is... it's in John chapter 1, 25:36 can you read in John chapter 1, Jason read for us 25:38 John one and it's talking here about our... 25:45 it's talking about Jesus, 25:46 I'm going to give you the context but read 25:47 because we're running out of time... read verses 4 and 5. 25:50 Jason: Four and five... James: Hmmm... hmmm... 25:51 Jason: "In him was life; 25:53 and the life was the light of men. 25:55 And the light shineth in darkness; 25:56 and the darkness comprehended it not. " 25:58 James: "Did not overcome it, did not overcome it. " 26:01 That is what we find in various translations of the Bible 26:06 that the translation of that word... "comprehended" 26:09 it means to overcome... to take a hold of... 26:13 to apprehend... and then as Ivor was sharing earlier, 26:17 verse 9 says, "That light was the true light 26:21 which lights every man that comes into the world" 26:24 stony ground here, 26:25 thorny ground here... wherever you are... 26:27 it lights every man that comes into the world, 26:29 that light lights every man that comes into the world, 26:31 so this is just a beautiful picture 26:32 of the gospel in the four horses. 26:34 Jason: Amen... Yvonne: Amen... it's rich. 26:37 James: We need to close out but before we do, 26:41 we need to remind our Viewers 26:42 that they can send their questions in. 26:43 Jason: To sss@3abn. org 26:48 as in Salvation in Symbols and Signs. 26:50 James: @3abn. org and we are looking forward 26:53 to getting those questions, we want to answer those 26:56 in future programs together, so, anyway, 26:59 we need to close out with prayer, who wants to volunteer? 27:01 Ivor: I'll pray. James: Thank you Ivor. 27:03 Ivor: "Heavenly Father, we just want to thank you 27:05 for opening the Word to us, 27:08 for giving us an understanding of the Scripture, 27:10 and Father, we just ask 27:12 that you would continue to open our eyes, 27:14 continue to win our hearts, continue to conquer us Lord, 27:17 may we surrender to your will 27:19 and may we do that which is pleasing in your sight 27:22 may we understand the grace that you have given to us 27:26 and Father, thank you again for your love for us, 27:29 we pray this in Jesus' name, amen. " 27:30 All: "Amen... " 27:32 James: So just in the last few seconds... 27:33 it's going to be important for us... 27:35 to transition now to the fifth horse... 27:38 not the fifth horse... the fifth seal... 27:40 and we've been just looking at this history 27:42 and we're going to find that connects very much with 27:46 what's going to transpire next, 27:48 so we're going to take all the information we've gathered 27:50 and we're going to use that to transition to our next seal 27:53 and as it opens up, poof... 27:55 it's just going to be... it's going to be powerful. 27:57 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... James: Praise God. 27:58 Yvonne: Amen... |
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