Participants: Ron Woolsey (Host), Mike Carducci, Wayne Blakely
Series Code: PC
Program Code: PC000046
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:03 Parents area cautioned that some material 00:05 may be too candid for younger children. 00:41 Hello, and welcome to Pure Choices. 00:44 I'm Ron Woolsey. 00:45 And again, we have our guests and co-workers 00:51 in coming out ministries, our colleagues together, 00:53 Mike Carducci and Wayne Blakely. 00:57 And we're here to discuss a subject today 01:00 that again is a little bit strange, 01:03 maybe a little bit different. 01:06 And it is the subject of cross dressing. 01:08 How does that line up with God's thinking, 01:10 His will, His word, 01:12 how has that affected our lives perhaps 01:16 or the life of someone 01:18 that is in the viewing audience today. 01:20 I found in the Bible in the Words of God, 01:25 some thinking that I'd like to share with you. 01:28 Deuteronomy 22:5, 01:30 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, 01:35 neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: 01:38 for all that do so are abomination 01:41 unto the Lord thy God." 01:43 Evidently, God has a pretty strong feelings 01:45 about this practice 01:47 and it goes back up very long ways 01:49 because this is found in the books of Moses 01:53 which was thousands of years ago. 01:56 In light of God's statement there, 01:59 I'd also like to share this quote from Ellen White 02:02 in the book Child Guidance, page 427, 02:05 and it is in harmony 02:07 with what we just read from the Word of God, 02:10 "God designed that 02:11 there should be a plain distinction 02:13 between the dress of men and women, 02:16 and has considered the matter of sufficient importance 02:19 to give explicit directions in regard to it, 02:23 for the same dress worn by both sexes 02:26 would cause confusion and great increase of crime." 02:30 That to me is an amazing statement gentlemen 02:34 because as we look around the world today, 02:38 it's seems to me that this little lady knew 02:41 what she was talking about. 02:42 The crime that is so abundant today, 02:46 the disappearance of the differences 02:51 between the genders, 02:52 it does seem like there perhaps is a correlation. 02:57 And we'll talk about that 02:58 as we progress in our dialogue today. 03:01 But first, I want to just ask you 03:03 a personal question, each of you, 03:07 and that is have either have you 03:09 ever been guilty of this kind of behavior? 03:13 You know, dress up or dressing out 03:16 or dressing down or cross dressing? 03:18 I will see a hand on the front row here. 03:21 Wayne, can you share with us a little bit about that? 03:26 Yeah, guilty is charged. 03:30 I did from the time I was three years old. 03:35 I was putting on anything that was looking like 03:38 women's attire, scarves, 03:41 anything at that age I could get my hands on. 03:44 And actually, I progressed, you know. 03:46 I was into, 03:50 you know, this five, six, seven, years old 03:52 and even at the age of thirteen, 03:55 I recall that I wanted to go out for Halloween. 03:59 In those days, we didn't think of it is 04:01 as being such as the devils holiday 04:04 as I would think of it today, 04:06 but for frivolity, I always wanted to be Cinderella. 04:10 You can only imagine when I said, 04:12 trick or treat at peoples doors, 04:14 they knew it was a trick indeed. 04:17 And my brother was so horribly embarrassed of me, 04:22 I'm sure my parents were as well. 04:25 And then, even into my adult's life, 04:29 the drag queen stuff came in and again I wish I had, 04:33 well, you know, it is probably a good thing 04:34 I don't have pictures because they would burn 04:36 through the television true value. 04:37 Okay, we're going to make it... 04:39 I didn't make a very attractive woman. 04:40 Oh, well, we're going to get into the adult life 04:43 a little bit here later, but evidently, 04:45 this was not a one time incident, was it Wayne? 04:48 What about you Mike, guilty? 04:50 Absolutely, again I had rejected masculinity 04:54 and, you know, through the example of my father, 04:56 I reverted to my mother. 04:57 And I thought that God had made a mistake. 05:00 I had three sisters, no brothers. 05:02 And so the only influence that I had with girls, 05:05 I like the things that girls like to do. 05:07 I like things that were soft and pretty and colorful. 05:10 And so, I would sneak to you know, 05:13 to try on my mom slips or you know, 05:16 to wear my sisters clothes 05:18 because in some way, it satisfied something. 05:22 There was something about it that I felt drawn to, 05:26 and I couldn't help it. 05:27 Right, Wayne? I was moved towards it. 05:30 It wasn't that I was trying to be... 05:32 to disobey my parents, 05:34 so that you know, I had this obsession with it. 05:36 It just seem like that was the right thing. 05:38 Yeah, same kind or natural... That's right. 05:40 Anyway. And you know, what? 05:41 That driving force came with me, 05:43 I kept praying the God would change me, 05:45 and I would wakeup the next day and I would be a girl. 05:47 And even I know that would never happen, 05:49 it wasn't until I was in early 20s 05:51 where the desire to be a women or to be girl 05:54 had actually faded away, 05:55 but that came from going into the gay lifestyle 05:58 and I recognized that masculinity 06:00 was much more popular than femininity... 06:02 Yeah. 06:04 Because what I wanted was the attention of men 06:05 and the comfort of men 06:07 and so then, it totally changed... 06:09 That's right, and I started working out in the gym, 06:11 and I started realizing that 06:13 masculinity sells much better than femininity 06:15 and all of that went away. 06:17 Well, especially in the gay world, 06:18 it was always confusing to me why... 06:22 if you're looking for a man, in the gay world, 06:25 you would want to act or dress or be like a women 06:28 because that man is gay too 06:30 and wouldn't he be looking for a man. 06:32 Sure. So that was a confusion for me. 06:37 I thoroughly understand 06:38 what you're talking about there. 06:40 It was when I moved to San Francisco 06:42 and had my first lover 06:45 that he began to talk to me about dressing more masculine, 06:49 having the appearance of a more masculine, 06:53 more macho man, and it made sense to me that 06:56 because I had an appreciation for masculinity 07:00 that I would want to dress that way to draw the same. 07:03 Right. 07:05 Let's go back for a moment to childhood 07:07 when you started dressing this way. 07:11 What do you think caused you to want to dress this way? 07:14 What was the fascination? 07:15 I remember, Mike, you just said something 07:18 about being fascinated. 07:20 What was the fascination? 07:23 It just seem natural, you know, I still, 07:25 I love color and it just seem 07:27 that that girl things were much softer, 07:30 they were prettier, you know, they grab my attention 07:33 and I rejected, you know, 07:35 again the masculinity for my dad. 07:36 So my attention turned you know, to the feminine 07:39 and so anything that was related to masculinity 07:43 was out and the only thing left was femininity. 07:46 And Wayne, this is for you 07:49 because we know each other stories here. 07:52 And I think this question 07:54 would be very important for you. 07:55 Did anything traumatic happened to you as a child 07:59 that might have influenced you in this area 08:01 to cause you to-- 08:04 Sure, yeah, absolutely. 08:05 My birthmother had made it very clear during her pregnancy 08:10 that she didn't want anything but a girl. 08:13 When I was born, she had shown immediate rejection of me 08:17 as being a boy. 08:18 And so, those thoughts were really put up on me 08:22 and I think that I was already at an early age 08:24 trying to satisfy the desire to get the appreciation 08:30 and affection of my mother 08:32 by doing and becoming things that were more feminine, 08:37 much more like being a little girl 08:39 instead of being a little boy. 08:41 What was the reaction of your mother and those around you 08:45 when they saw you dressing this way? 08:47 I know, didn't you say, 08:49 your mother actually dressed you that way herself 08:51 and then, when you started doing it yourself... 08:53 Right. 08:55 By your own choice, 08:56 what kind of reaction did you get? 08:57 Well, I was adopted out and taken away 08:59 from my natural mother by the time 09:01 I was two years old. 09:02 So my adopted parents couldn't make sense 09:04 out of what was happening... 09:06 But your birthmother... Yes. 09:08 Didn't she dress you... 09:10 I mean, she dressed you that way purposely. 09:11 She broke my arm in two places before I was two years old. 09:15 I don't know that she dressed me as a girl. 09:18 She wanted me desperately to be a girl. 09:20 And so, therefore, 09:22 I was only trying to carry out her desires. 09:24 I see, right. 09:25 Okay, Mike, what about you? 09:27 What kind of reaction did you get 09:29 when you dressed that away? 09:30 Spanking is what I got. 09:32 And a clear distinction that, you know, 09:35 that it was wrong in our household 09:36 and so, you know, when covert... 09:39 for me, you know, I had to do it 09:40 without my parents watching. 09:43 I would engage my sisters to do it with me, you know, 09:46 we would play dress up and things like that, 09:48 play dolls but again, I had to do it very carefully 09:52 and, you know, I had to sneak to do it. 09:54 How long did this behavior go on? 09:56 For example, well, I'm just asking what age 10:00 do you recall a ceasing 10:03 to find pleasure in dressing this way? 10:05 Well, to tell you truth I think was the first Halloween 10:07 that I dressed in drag, after I had come out, you know, 10:10 and we went through the whole thing 10:12 of the false eyelashes and the dress 10:15 and the hose and, you know, the whole-- 10:18 And I remember thinking about 20 minutes after I had it on, 10:20 I go, "All right, I'm done with this." 10:22 And what was amazing is in gay culture, 10:25 I thought that God had made a mistake, 10:27 and so I thought that I was girl 10:29 that I should have been a girl, 10:31 and so that drew me to dressing like one. 10:33 But the issue was much deeper. 10:35 It wasn't that I wanted to wear women's clothing, 10:37 it's just that I wanted to complete the identity 10:40 that I was claiming inside. 10:42 And so, it was not until 10:44 coming out into the gay lifestyle 10:46 that I recognized that masculinity 10:48 is what is desirable. 10:50 And so, what happened is then I started going to the gym, 10:53 I started, you know, 10:54 lifting weights and exercising more. 10:57 Again, repackaging if you would because the issue that I wanted 11:01 was I wanted to experience masculinity from someone else, 11:06 and I figured the only way I could do it 11:08 was to imitate it. 11:09 I never accepted, I never put inside masculinity, 11:13 I just put on a cover of masculinity 11:15 'cause I never felt like a man. 11:17 And so, even that was just an exterior for me, 11:20 thinking that somebody else 11:21 had the masculinity that I was seeking. 11:23 Right, okay. 11:24 And, Wayne, did this go on 11:26 for a longtime in your life or... 11:28 You know, it had periodic resurgences, you know. 11:33 I guess, I was fascinated, and I didn't quiet understand. 11:36 I always thought that women had so many more options than men. 11:40 Men either put on brown pants green pants or black pants 11:44 or brown shirt or white shirt. 11:46 I mean, it was so boring. 11:48 And I remember looking at my mom 11:53 and seeing, you know, the whole process, 11:55 you know, that they would put on these nylons 11:58 and things and then, they would turn around 11:59 and they would throw them away. 12:01 And I couldn't understand 12:02 why the guys would keep their socks 12:04 and women would throw theirs' away. 12:06 And so, one day, I was so fascinated 12:09 by this whole idea that I thought, 12:11 "Well, I'm going to see what that's like." 12:13 And so I took these nylons, this is before pantyhose, 12:16 and I took and I cut them off like at the knee 12:20 that my mom had thrown away. 12:22 And I put them on over my socks... 12:27 actually I know, I didn't wear socks, 12:28 I put them on by themselves, 12:30 and I went to school, I was in eighth grade. 12:32 And I remember, I was sitting at my desk, 12:35 it was one of those wrap around desks. 12:37 And I had a friend that was sitting across from me, 12:40 Betty Malore who is still an inspiration to me today. 12:43 And she left over my way, 12:46 and I looked at her and I went like this. 12:48 And I showed to her that I had these nylon socks. 12:51 And she immediately busted up, 12:54 and I immediately felt horrifying. 12:57 And then she, you know, shared with someone else 13:00 and there I was, I was stuck I had shoes on that were tight 13:03 and I had these nylons, and I wanted to sink 13:06 and to disappear into the floor. 13:08 Was that the last time you really dressed up? 13:10 Oh, no. 13:11 Now, what age was it would you say that you ceased? 13:15 You know, they had the ball, you never went to the prom, 13:19 you never went to... 13:21 when I left out in the gay culture 13:23 and so, even as hideous as I looked as a woman, 13:26 I would still go through this process of this application, 13:31 you know, of makeup and hair 13:35 and beautiful dresses and things, 13:37 even though it was to be... and I would do it even 13:39 with the full beard, you know, 13:41 it doesn't make any sense whatsoever, 13:43 other than it brought about hilarity and frivolity. 13:47 Do you know what... I'm wondering...yes. 13:50 It's interesting because, you know, 13:51 it hits a certain part of us where our natural expectation 13:55 is to laugh at it, but I think it's also 13:58 because of the uncomfortableness of it. 14:00 You know, again in gay culture, you know, 14:03 everybody just was dying to dress and drag on Halloween. 14:06 It was like the one excuse 14:08 that you could actually indulge, 14:10 you know, that part of you that seemed, 14:14 unacceptable or the part of you that seemed never satisfied. 14:18 And it's interesting 14:19 because it wasn't even until my 40s 14:21 that I really started to understand that 14:23 that God had made me male, 14:25 that I could actually say with full intent 14:27 that yes, that I was a man. 14:29 And I believe that in gay culture 14:31 that's what we're seeing is this 14:33 constant affirmation that you indeed are not the man 14:39 that you 're created to be 14:40 and that there is something unsatisfied inside there. 14:44 Well, that brings me to a question here. 14:46 Do you think that there is any connection 14:48 between this dress up 14:50 and becoming overtly homosexual? 14:53 And so, Ron, personally, what's amazing to me is that, 14:57 I thought that God had made this mistake in my gender. 14:59 And what's happening now, this is was back in the 60s, 15:03 that I didn't have any options. 15:05 And so, it wasn't until my 20s that all of that went away, 15:08 it wasn't a redemptive process, 15:10 it was almost like a cycle that when I realized 15:13 in gay culture that masculinity 15:14 was more preferred than femininity 15:17 then all of the ideas of becoming woman that 15:20 to correct a problem that was wrong. 15:22 I was comfortable being male not that I saw myself as a man, 15:26 but I was comfortable in my maleness. 15:28 And what's so shocking to me now is that, 15:30 now there is legislature in some areas 15:33 where little boys can say at six or seven years old 15:37 that I'm a boy trapped in a girls body, 15:39 and against the mother's and father's wishes 15:43 the government can step in and start putting the children 15:46 on hormone replacement 15:47 and by the time they're 14 or 15 years old, 15:49 they can have a full sex change. 15:51 What so shocking to me is that, 15:53 that would have been me, 15:55 if there was anything like that at that time, 15:57 I would have been desperate to have that procedure done, 15:59 and I'm very much happy that I have 16:02 all the parts that I have now. 16:03 It would have been a huge trauma for me. 16:06 Okay, and so, 16:07 that leads to the question about cross dressing, 16:10 is it peculiar to the homosexual community 16:16 or is it something that crosses over into something else? 16:19 Because, you know, for years now, 16:21 we've had more and more unisex fashions 16:24 and a big thing now is androgyny. 16:27 Where is all of these going? 16:29 Why do we ever have this council 16:31 from thousands of years ago not to go here? 16:35 You know, Ron, I worked in psych unit 16:38 for over 10 years in my 20s and 30s. 16:42 And what was amazing to me is the amount of men 16:45 that were heterosexual that had wives and children 16:49 and were not deviance of society, 16:51 but they were actually strong 16:53 upstanding citizens in the community, 16:55 and they were struggling with cross dressing 16:57 or they had, you know, indulged in cross dressing. 17:00 And so, it's not limited to the homosexual community. 17:03 As a matter of fact, you know, 17:05 we know a case of man who was cross dressing, 17:07 who was straight and married 17:09 and had a sex change to be women. 17:11 And then, when the Lord touched his heart again, 17:14 he had his sex change back into a man. 17:16 So God is telling us not to do this, 17:20 but there is another force 17:21 that is really working to bring this about, 17:25 excuse me, as Satan is definitely 17:28 working against the purposes of God, 17:30 and there has to be a reason. 17:33 One of the issues that was striking for me 17:36 just in the last couple of years 17:38 is recognizing when God said in Genesis, 17:41 he said, "He made the male and female. 17:44 And before the earth was formed, I knew you," 17:47 and I believe that, that God knew what He was doing 17:49 now that I understand His goodness, 17:51 now that I've accepted, you know, 17:53 what the merit of what His son has done for me on the cross 17:55 and God knows him more. 17:57 I realize that the distinction is necessary 17:59 because if we were all androgynous, 18:02 if there was no defining line, the confusion of my gender, 18:06 the confusion of my identity 18:08 would have been entirely scattered, I believe. 18:11 And so, I think that that the enemy who 18:13 if you look at any kind of satanic rituals 18:16 or satanic kind of worship, 18:19 they always represent saying to be androgynous, 18:22 you know, male and female. 18:23 And I believe that what he's doing is he's out to smear 18:27 the definition of male and female 18:30 and the purpose of having the two sexes. 18:33 You know, remember the part where angels 18:35 were not permitted to create life. 18:38 And what would make Satan angrier than anything else 18:40 to want to be God 18:43 and yet what he did is God gives that gift 18:46 of reproducing life to men and to women, 18:49 so it seems it Satan is going to want to disturb that 18:51 and rob that away from anyone that he can. 18:53 Right. 18:55 So not only just homosexuality, 18:56 rob me away from the right to create life. 18:58 I'm not talking about adoption of that kind of thing, 19:01 but I'm talking about the way God intended it to be 19:03 through intimacy, you know, through, you know, 19:06 the sex between man and a woman to create that life. 19:10 So in essence, homosexuality actually brings to an end 19:15 6,000 years of seed procreation. 19:20 And if everyone, I mean, the more people 19:23 that go that direction, the less procreation there is. 19:27 Satan hates procreation. 19:30 We were talking earlier about how angels were not created 19:34 as male and female. 19:36 And so from what you're saying, 19:39 it seems very reasonable to think is Satan 19:43 in confusing the sexes 19:45 and bringing about this androgyny 19:47 is trying to create God's children 19:51 into his image, Satan's image. 19:53 He wants to bring them down to where he is 19:57 where procreation stops 19:58 and they're more and more like him. 20:00 Is that correct? 20:02 You know, I'm a hairdresser. 20:04 I don't know the depth of theology 20:06 that you're going to run. 20:07 All I know is that God's distinctive, 20:10 and He has the borders 20:12 and there is a reason He created me male 20:14 and as I trust Him more, as I follow Him 20:18 and I don't resist where He's calling me, 20:22 I've been experiencing my manhood more. 20:24 And I believe that every child that cross dresses, 20:27 every adult out there that's cross dressing, 20:29 I believe that they have not acknowledged 20:32 the reason why God has created them that way, 20:35 and if they're not in touch with their identity, 20:37 if they're not in touch with their gender, 20:41 then I believe that what's happening is 20:43 they haven't been affirmed by God. 20:45 There is something has been taken away from them 20:47 environmentally or through heredity, 20:50 but the God wants to restore that in each one of us 20:52 because we're distinctive and He doesn't make mistakes 20:56 and that we can trust Him. 20:57 Right, and Satan works tirelessly to mar the image... 21:00 Absolutely. Of God and his children. 21:05 I'm curious to what brought you to the point, Wayne, 21:10 were you saw this was no longer 21:12 something you wanted to be involved in, 21:16 was it at your point of conversion 21:18 that you realized that this was not to the glory of God 21:21 and it was not to your own benefit and manhood? 21:25 Tell us about that. 21:26 Yeah, absolutely. 21:27 It was in conversion and no longer partying 21:32 and trying to be somebody other than God intended me to be, 21:36 but in my growing relationship, 21:38 my intimate relationship with Jesus, 21:40 He's giving me the conformation 21:42 and the affirmation of my maleness in Him, 21:46 and being a new creature in Jesus Christ. 21:49 Again, with the 1 Corinthians 6:9 through 11, 21:53 I think there's really something to it 21:55 where God is talking about 21:56 who won't enter into heaven about homosexual offenders 22:00 and then, He even separately states the effeminate. 22:04 And I think that that really boils down to being someone 22:08 God didn't intend for you to be, 22:11 in other words taking the majors of God 22:14 into your own hands 22:15 even if you feel that you have inclinations in your life 22:20 that you feel more female than male, 22:22 it's that God will help you deal with that if you let Him, 22:26 and if you commit yourself to Him 22:28 and you seek to do His will instead of your own. 22:31 God can do amazing things, but when we take the scalpel, 22:35 you know, into our own hands 22:37 and decide that we're going to change 22:39 what God has given to us, 22:42 I think that borders on what this verse is talking about. 22:45 Well, this brings us back 22:47 to the whole plan of salvation, doesn't it? 22:49 And the plan of salvation is about restoring, 22:52 restoration, reconciliation. 22:54 Absolutely. 22:56 God wants to restore us to what He created us 22:58 to be in the first place. 23:00 And so it is a process of transformation 23:04 because mankind has fallen. 23:05 In 6,000 years, mankind in general 23:08 has fallen so far from God's original plan and His ideal. 23:13 And it's exciting to see how God works in our lives 23:17 to turn our around and start building us back up 23:20 and restoring His image in us. 23:24 I'm wondering what advice you would have for 23:28 anyone who is seeking help in this area? 23:32 Wanting to overcome because I know this is not an issue 23:36 that is limited to homosexuality. 23:40 There are other facets of society and other elements 23:44 and we probably can't even go there, we don't understand, 23:48 but we do know that Biblically, 23:50 it's not something God wants us to do. 23:52 So what kind of advice, Wayne, 23:55 what kind of advice would you give someone who is seeking 23:57 help in this area? 23:59 Well, I guess I would first say 24:01 that it's a matter of surrender, 24:04 of turning yourself over to your creator 24:08 and then, seeking His word for the benefit of learning 24:13 who you are in Jesus Christ and knowing that 24:17 you have been given a particular gendered body, 24:21 and that you accept this body 24:23 way God gave it to you. 24:25 And because of our sinful fallen nature, 24:27 there are things, there are inclinations, temptations, 24:31 deceptions that are put out there for us. 24:33 But to turn the focus from self, 24:36 and put the focus on Jesus Christ 24:38 and let Him give you the validation of the gender 24:42 that He created you to be. 24:44 That's very good. 24:46 And what about, Mike, do you have any possibly 24:48 some scripture that would relate to this, 24:50 this type of subject? 24:52 You know, a scripture 24:53 doesn't come to my mind right now, 24:54 but what does come is a plea for anyone 24:57 who may be even in the throws of not understanding 25:01 their gender identity 25:03 who may not understand why they're drawn 25:06 to wearing the opposite sex clothing, 25:09 but what comes to my mind is just to seek Jesus, 25:12 that you don't have to worry about, you know, 25:14 the dress you're wearing or the man's clothes 25:17 that a woman might be wearing. 25:18 I believe that if you're seeking the Lord, He says, 25:22 "If you'll search for me, you'll find me," 25:24 and I believe that if you just don't resist, 25:27 because the surrender is tough to do 25:30 to someone you don't know or someone you don't trust. 25:32 If didn't trust you Ron, I would not surrender to you. 25:35 And so, some of you out there may not know Jesus, 25:37 you may not know God 25:38 or what He has in store for you. 25:40 But if there is something in your heart 25:41 that you feel is missing, 25:43 if you've been dressing in the opposite sex clothing 25:46 and you're not satisfied or you're not happy, 25:48 then just don't resist the urging of what the Lord 25:51 may be calling you to do 25:53 and to ask Him to dialogue with you. 25:56 Don't worry about what you're wearing, 25:57 just start finding out about who Jesus is, 26:00 and I believe that He brings that 26:03 and He'll address that and resolve that issue. 26:05 You know, from time to time, I have people come to me 26:08 as a pastor and seeking my council. 26:12 What about my son who thinks he is a girl 26:15 and dresses like a girl? 26:17 What do I do? 26:18 And then, I meet the son, 26:19 and I see all kinds of evidences that, 26:22 that's not really the issue. 26:23 They want me to help them understand, 26:26 how to change this person. 26:29 And then, a text comes to mind when I hear that, 26:35 "Seek ye first the kingdom of God, 26:38 and His righteousness, 26:40 and all these things shall be added unto you." 26:42 So often, we're trying to pick the fruits off the tree, 26:45 the results of a broken heart or sinful heart, 26:49 and we're not focusing upon the root. 26:51 And the Bible simply says, 26:53 "Seek ye first the kingdom of God," 26:55 put things in their order. 26:57 Many things, like in our own experience, we remember, 27:01 I think we could concur that many things 27:04 just seem to fall away from our habits in our lives 27:09 as we became closer and closer to Jesus, 27:12 and so if we focus upon Him first 27:14 like you're saying, the first and great commandment 27:18 is to love God supremely 27:21 and then your neighbor as yourself 27:22 which you're alluding to here we put ourselves last. 27:25 And if we focus on God first, His will, 27:29 His way by beholding Him, we do become change, don't we? 27:33 And so, I think that's kind of a conclusion here 27:36 that we're coming to that if we put God first, 27:38 a lot of these things will be easy to take care, 27:41 easier to take care of. 27:43 We want to thank you today 27:45 for joining us today on Pure Choices 27:48 and again, may God continue to bless you 27:51 as you make pure choices in your life 27:53 each and every day. |
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