Participants: Pr. Joshua Nelson (Host), Jeanne Mogusu, Jonathan Gustave, Ketsia Gustave
Series Code: PC
Program Code: PC000016
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:03 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:05 may be too candid for younger children. 00:41 Hello, and welcome to Pure Choices. 00:44 I'm your host, Pastor Joshua Nelson. 00:46 And I'm so glad you decided to join us. 00:48 We have an exciting program for you today. 00:52 We have a lovely couple, happily married couple. 00:56 Ketsia and Jonathan 00:58 and they've come all the way from Miami, Florida. 01:00 And they're with the Pure Reality Ministry. 01:04 And they just come here today to talk to us about marriage. 01:06 And I also have here with me my co-host for this program. 01:11 Go ahead and introduce yourself, co-host. 01:13 My name is Jeanne Mogusu and I'm graduating, 01:18 graduating what... From the Seventh-day. 01:19 From the Seventh-day, yeah, Seventh-day Adventist 01:22 Theological seminary, so... 01:24 And I must add she is also the president, 01:27 so we'll call her President Mogusu. 01:29 President of the Black Student Association 01:31 there at the seminary, 01:32 so glad to have her co-hosting today. 01:34 And so we wanted to begin 01:35 with our lovely married couple here. 01:37 And just wanted to talk to you all about this man, 01:39 now wait a minute, we're not married here, 01:41 we're not married. 01:42 We're, you know, I'm engaged, I'm going to be married. 01:44 But we want to talk about, yeah, amen, amen. 01:47 We want to talk about your journey 01:49 and really just give us the testimony 01:51 on how you all got to this point, 01:54 how do Pure Reality Ministry play into that, 01:57 and just share your testimony? 01:59 Well, I can start by saying 02:01 that I was in a previous relationship 02:03 before I met my wife and in that relationship 02:07 I was going through a lot of things 02:09 and basically I prolonged the relationship longer 02:11 than I was supposed to be 02:13 because we got into a certain things 02:14 we shouldn't have got into. 02:15 So there are a lot of emotions, emotions involving, 02:17 didn't want to severe ties. 02:19 But when I actually did, 02:21 when we both went our separate ways, 02:24 this is when I just made up my mind, 02:26 I didn't want to be in any other relationship again. 02:28 I'm gonna be like Paul. 02:30 I'm just gonna go somewhere overseas 02:32 and do the work of the Lord. 02:33 So I would just focus on the Lord strictly, 02:36 and then I met my wife, I think our churches 02:40 were doing pathfinder activities 02:42 with one and other 02:43 and we just became friends... 02:45 Praise for the pathfinders... 02:46 Oh, yes, we just became friends, 02:48 you know, became friends, 02:49 and we were in a mass guided program together 02:52 and then we started developing a relationship, 02:55 you know, a friendship. 02:56 Then when I notice, 02:58 I started having feelings for her, 02:59 I was afraid, 03:00 'cause Lord, I do not want anything to do 03:03 with any other young lady again 03:05 because I was living off the past still, 03:07 but I had people to counsel me to help me out to, 03:10 you know, let go off the fear and if this is God's will, 03:13 you know, it will, it will work. 03:15 And so, I mean, we are married today, 03:17 but I mean there's a lot more to the testimony 03:20 than that a lot more, I was searching from her side. 03:23 Okay, Ketsia pick it up. 03:25 Oh, well, at the time that I encountered Jonathan, 03:30 I was a recent graduate from university, 03:34 and I attended a secular institution 03:37 and I was really searching for God 03:42 because I was at a point in my life 03:44 where I wanted to know 03:45 what, what was God's purpose in my life 03:48 and a lot of people around me were in relationships 03:52 and so I was seeking a relationship 03:55 and I was actually speaking to this young man 03:58 but it ended off badly 04:02 and so I was really just disappointed 04:04 and I just made up my mind, 04:06 "Okay God, I just want to do things Your way, 04:08 and I'll just wait for the person 04:09 that You have for me." 04:11 But when I encountered my husband I did not really, 04:16 I wasn't really thinking that it was going to be him, 04:19 you know, and so it just came as an unexpected surprise 04:23 when I felt myself being drawn to him 04:25 and, you know, by the Christianity 04:28 and the godliness 04:30 that I saw in his character and so from there, 04:34 you know, I just made it a matter of prayer and God 04:37 has been leading ever since. 04:39 So, Jonathan, 04:41 what is it about Ketsia that made you say, 04:45 "This is the one, this is the one," 04:47 'cause you're saying 04:48 you were just coming out of another relationship 04:50 so obviously the feelings involved 04:52 and now you're starting to feel those same things. 04:54 What is it about her that made her different 04:57 from where you just came from? 04:58 Okay, well, I believe before my intentions of wanting 05:03 to be in a relationship was, 05:05 I just wanted to be in a relationship, 05:07 you know, and from there 05:08 I just took it upon myself and I was like, 05:10 "Okay, I want to be in a relationship 05:12 and I found someone to be in a relationship with 05:15 but that wasn't a relationship 05:17 that God wanted me to form with that person. 05:20 And her interest, the things that she like, 05:24 they contradicted with the things 05:25 that I liked and that I wanted to do 05:27 which was really ministry, 05:29 you know, 'cause even at that time I started, 05:31 you know, inching my way towards God and so, 05:34 I wanted to get a God fearing woman 05:36 but I took it into my own hands, 05:38 you know, because in her walk, 05:39 you know, she was 05:40 in a different place in her walk than I was, 05:42 you know, we were on our own accord 05:43 but for my life when I, 05:46 you know, when we started speaking 05:47 and talking 05:48 and, you know, I can remember a time 05:50 where we were on the phone for about two and half hours 05:52 and we were just talking about God, 05:54 you know, and that's what I wanted 05:57 and at the time I wasn't thinking about it 05:59 but that's what I really wanted. 06:02 I wanted someone that, 06:05 their heart is for the Lord first before mine, 06:08 you know, before me, everything was the Lord for us. 06:10 So when I saw that, her zeal for God, 06:14 her love for kids at her church 06:16 and, you know, it matched mine 06:18 because I was very, very involved 06:19 in my church 06:20 and so on that level we connected 06:23 and so with that, that's what drew me to her. 06:25 That's awesome, that's awesome. 06:27 So, Ketsia, come on now and tell me 06:28 what was that attracted you to this tall guy here? 06:31 It's so funny 06:33 because, you know, I was a girl, 06:36 you always grow up having this ideal in your mind 06:39 of the kind of man 06:40 that you want to be your husband 06:43 and so I had. 06:44 I used to love reading romantic novels 06:48 and so I had this hero in my mind 06:50 of and this image 06:52 of who I wanted my husband to be. 06:54 And so when I encountered him, 06:55 you know, I didn't really give him 06:57 a second thought or a second look 06:58 because he did not match my ideals, 07:00 so therefore he couldn't be the one that God had for me, 07:04 but and two, because of the way the way I was raised, 07:09 you know, very highly educated. 07:11 My parents always pushed education 07:13 and so, I was just, I was kind of, 07:18 I want to say snobbish in who I was looking for 07:23 but when I started becoming friends with him, 07:26 what really touched me is his care for others. 07:29 He was such a considerate person. 07:31 He was such a good friend. 07:33 And, you know, sometimes when girls talk, 07:35 we just talk and talk and talk. 07:37 And, you know, you don't, 07:39 you're not sure that the guys is listening 07:41 really to what you're saying or if he just, 07:43 if it's just a means to an end to getting you, 07:46 but with him I could see 07:48 that it was really genuine care for me. 07:51 That's awesome, it's beautiful. 07:53 So talking about Pure Reality in that ministry, 07:57 how did it come into play in your's relationship 07:59 and even talk to us 08:00 about the whole key ceremony thing? 08:03 Well, I actually went to Pure Reality 08:04 before we actually got together. 08:07 Like probably couple of years before 08:09 and when we got together in my mind I was like, 08:12 "Okay, I need her to get to go to this," 08:15 so I got her and her younger sister 08:17 to go to Pure Reality and then from there, 08:20 we made a commitment that we will stay pure 08:24 and, I mean, we were already pure 08:26 from the beginning 08:27 because the way we began, it was with Christ 08:30 and so this kind of just gave us a little boost 08:33 and so we have a few medallions 08:36 that they give you at Pure Reality, 08:38 speaking of ladies of virtue and distinguished gentleman, 08:42 and with these medallions 08:43 we would exchange at our wedding, 08:47 on a wedding day, and we also have these, 08:50 this key, that we both have key, 08:52 and with this key here, 08:55 instead of having wedding rings, 08:56 we exchange the keys. 08:59 And we're actually the first married couple, 09:01 first Pure Reality married couple 09:02 where we exchanged the keys and everything and that, 09:05 it was a blessing for us 09:06 because we knew where we came from, 09:11 you know, and we saw how God has brought us on the journey 09:14 so when we look at these keys, 09:16 and when we see the medallions, 09:18 we remember, it's just a remembrance, 09:20 you know, that God has sought us through, 09:23 you know, He brought us to where we are today. 09:26 Well, that's sounds really awesome. 09:28 Can you explain a little more though 09:29 about what the key 09:31 really represents and a medallion, 09:33 and how it actually took place in the ceremony? 09:35 Okay. 09:37 Well, with the key, 09:39 it is something that you get separately... 09:41 And it comes within the key ceremony 09:45 after Pure Reality, after retreat, 09:48 I believe it's probably like couple of months afterwards 09:50 and it is a vow that you make there, 09:53 I vow to keep myself pure 09:55 until I meet the person that God has for me. 09:59 And the medallions, 10:01 they just signify that I am a virtuous lady, 10:04 you know, I vow to be a virtuous lady 10:06 and I vow to be distinguished gentleman. 10:08 And this carries on your entire life, 10:11 you know, up until Jesus comes again. 10:14 It's just something that carries on. 10:15 Wow, that's beautiful. I like that. 10:17 Yeah, and listening to that, I feel like asking you, 10:21 where, how do you think Pure Reality played 10:25 into your intimacy in your marriage? 10:30 Going to Pure Reality really set the stage 10:32 for my understanding 10:35 of what marriage is supposed to be. 10:38 I came from, the year that we actually met 10:42 was the year 10:44 that my parents finalized their divorce 10:46 and so they were really rocky times for me 10:49 and just coming from a broken home 10:53 and having that fear 10:55 that the pattern was gonna be repeated in me 10:58 and how is the person that I'm going to be with, 11:00 how are they gonna deal with my issues, 11:02 is my baggage going to cause our marriage to fail. 11:07 And so going to Pure Reality really helped me to see, 11:11 it allowed me see presenters 11:13 that also dealt with brokenness. 11:16 Whether it was in their own relationships 11:18 or in their homes and how it did not, 11:22 the cycle did not have to be repeated. 11:24 How the blood of Jesus and the righteousness of Christ 11:27 can really give you a new start. 11:29 And that it's all about your choices, 11:32 it's all about making that commitment, 11:34 not just to the person that you're with 11:36 but also to God that this is the person 11:39 that you have entrusted to me God 11:42 and I will stay faithful to that commitment, 11:44 no matter what happens for better or for worst. 11:47 And so Pure Reality really gave me 11:48 the chance to see the realness of marriage 11:51 because, of course, as young ladies, 11:53 we have this idealized view 11:55 of what marriage is gonna be like. 11:56 We're gonna go on dates, we're gonna go on vacations. 11:59 We're gonna just have fun all the time. 12:01 But Pure Reality helped me to see that 12:03 there are issues 12:05 that we're gonna have to deal with as a couple 12:07 because of our past, 12:08 the things that we're bringing with us 12:09 into the marriage, 12:11 they're gonna have to be dealt with 12:12 and that's part of the character growth 12:14 that takes place within marriage. 12:17 That's awesome. 12:18 All right, and really going back to, 12:21 looking at the key ceremony, that's really, 12:22 that really is awesome to me. 12:24 The symbolism there and then you're talking 12:26 about your experience, 12:29 you know, was it hard to stay pure? 12:32 You know, is someone's out there watching, 12:34 I'm about to give you myself, 12:35 you know, give us some advise 12:37 or even how you are able to do it 12:40 and, you know, get to that point 12:42 of marriage and being pure? 12:44 Well, it was definitely difficult. 12:49 It was not an easy thing, I can't, I can't stand here 12:53 and say or sit here and say, 12:54 "It was easy, it was definitely difficult," 12:56 because, 12:57 especially in your mind when you know that, 12:59 "Okay, this is the person that God has for me," 13:02 like it's solidified in your mind. 13:04 But what the enemy does, he takes that, you're like, 13:06 "Well, you know, 13:07 since you already know this person, why don't you," 13:09 you know, that's what will start to happen, 13:11 you know, we will go out on dates and then, 13:14 you know, we're very matured in our relationship already, 13:16 we were about two years, two and a half year already, 13:19 already dating, and she would drop me home 13:22 and we'll kind of linger for little bit talking 13:25 into late that night and our, 13:26 right there, so like, 13:27 "Okay, you're going a little bit too far," 13:29 then you know, 13:30 so we had to start making boundaries. 13:33 And we broke those boundaries 13:35 and, you know, we had to revisit it again, 13:37 "Okay, this is what we said we're going to do, 13:39 and we're going to stick with it," 13:41 so that we do not cross that, because it's like, 13:45 once I proposed, the flood gates opened up. 13:48 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 13:50 They opened up and it's inevitable. 13:52 Any person that has ever been married 13:54 will tell you the same thing. 13:56 If they don't, they're lying to you. 13:57 'Cause it happens, 13:59 it happens 'cause you just, you want that closeness, 14:01 the intimacy, 14:02 you know that's the person God has for you 14:03 and you just want to be closer. 14:05 So you have to set the boundaries. 14:08 So do you think that now that you're married 14:10 you're cured of that, 14:12 I guess, the lust that comes 14:14 with wanting something that you don't, 14:17 you can have because you're not 14:18 within the confines of marriage? 14:23 I think that, 14:24 it's kind of the same way with baptism. 14:27 Your baptism does not make you immune 14:30 to the pull of the lust of the flesh. 14:34 When you get baptized, 14:35 it is not a cure all for your weaknesses. 14:40 Same thing with marriage, it's not a cure 14:43 for whatever issues you struggle with. 14:45 It's a commitment 14:47 that has to be renewed every day 14:49 and I think that something 14:52 that a lot of people don't realize 14:54 is that the temptation does not stop, 14:57 your life does not become perfect 14:58 when you get married. 15:00 You enter 15:01 into a whole new level of relationship with God 15:05 and with this person 15:06 that you're with so it requires a deeper spiritual life, 15:10 it requires more prayer, 15:12 it requires you to be in the Word more 15:14 and it also requires a level of transparency 15:17 with your partner 15:19 so that you can be on the same page 15:21 as far as your struggles are concerned 15:22 and kind of keep each other accountable, 15:26 and help in the struggle with each other 15:29 and pray for one another. 15:30 And you just even go a little further like, 15:34 women never stop looking good, 15:36 and even for her men never stop looking good. 15:39 So you have to be able to filter all those things out 15:42 even, you know, to a degree talk about it, 15:44 of course, you bring it to the Lord 15:46 but you make it plain like, 15:47 "Okay, you know, we both know, 15:50 okay, you're attracted to this type, 15:52 I'm attracted to that type." 15:53 And, but those type of things 15:55 can't be the governing force of your relationship, 15:58 'cause those are lust, 16:00 you know, every day you'll see somebody, 16:01 you'll be a different thing but what we have together 16:05 is more than just looks, it's deeper, 16:07 you know, we understand, 16:08 that's where the key and the medallion, 16:09 all these things come into play because we remember 16:11 how God solidified our relationship 16:13 and why He brought us together, the vision that He has for us 16:16 as a couple it goes deeper than, 16:18 you know, lust of flesh, 16:19 but those things never leave, they're always there, 16:22 we just have to die to those things every day. 16:24 And that's a good word for anyone who thinks, 16:26 "Hey, I'm getting married 16:28 to cure my sexual urges and stuff," 16:29 and then we have to tell the plan going into it. 16:31 So let me ask or get you something? 16:33 This is about before you all got married, okay. 16:36 Did it take a little while for Jonathan to ask you, 16:38 were you kind of waiting for him maybe? 16:40 Yes, I was actually getting impatient for it. 16:45 We started and, 16:47 we started our courtship in 2007 and... 16:52 Pull that dates. 16:54 And so by 2009 I felt like, 16:58 "Okay, we've been together long enough for us 17:03 to take that next step." 17:05 And so I remember one summer, 17:06 he had gone on a mission trip to Malawi, Africa and I just, 17:11 I was at home waiting and I just felt, 17:14 "Okay, he's gonna propose to me when he comes back." 17:17 This is the perfect time. 17:18 And so, I started practicing my domestic skills a lot more, 17:23 I was cooking and when he came back, 17:26 I made sure he was eating at my house three times a day. 17:30 Feeding him, cooking for him, and I was just waiting, 17:33 and waiting and the summer was going by 17:35 and I was just like, 17:37 "What is he waiting for?" 17:39 And finally one night we were together on a date, 17:43 and he said, 17:44 "You know, I hope you're not expecting me 17:47 to purpose to you 17:48 before I go and leave for Oakwood in the fall?" 17:52 And I was like, 17:54 "Well, wait a second, why not, why wouldn't you?" 17:58 And, you know, he explained that he just felt like the Lord 18:02 had not given him the green light yet and so, 18:05 that I think that, 18:07 something that all ladies struggle with is, 18:10 "Okay, we have a committed relationship, 18:12 let's just get married." 18:14 So, in your mind he was taking a little bit too long, Yeah. 18:18 You know, come on man, 18:20 but I understand you, man, I understand you. 18:23 So explain your side of it. 18:24 You know, why and even for, you know, people are watching, 18:27 females are watching, 18:29 why does it seem to take so long for us men 18:31 to pop the question? 18:32 Well, when you find a God fearing man, 18:36 you know, 18:37 I guess you just want to have everything in place. 18:39 A man just want to have everything in place, 18:41 you want to make sure finances, 18:43 your security, there are so many things 18:46 that you just want to have there 18:48 before you move into that next level, 18:51 because for me it was like, 18:53 this is going to be a major step. 18:56 So first and foremost, 18:57 my mind has to be right with the Lord 18:59 because I do not want to take any steps backwards. 19:03 Once I proposed, that's it, and we're moving forward. 19:06 So I just want to make sure 19:08 that everything is in line with that. 19:09 Of course, first with the Lord and your finances like I said, 19:13 they are involved and it was, 19:15 I guess everybody's journey is different, 19:18 you know, she was out of school, 19:19 I was just beginning my bachelor's degree 19:22 and so those things play a part in my life. 19:24 How are these things, 19:25 and how is it really gonna work out? 19:26 But the end of the day, you know when it was time, 19:29 the Lord was like, "Okay, it's time." 19:30 And it's crazy because I found that it was time 19:33 when I was actually on a mission trip, 19:35 you know, by praying, 19:36 you know, I guess when you are on a mission trip, 19:37 you're seeking God a lot more, you know, you're abstaining 19:40 from certain things in the world. 19:41 So I heard God's voice clearly like, 19:43 "Okay, when you get back home on the break, 19:45 it's time to propose." 19:47 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 19:48 Now that you gave God the whole process, 19:51 it looks like God has truly been 19:53 in your relationship up until now. 19:56 Do you find that your marriage is easier, 19:58 I mean, what are your favorite things 20:00 about marriage, 20:01 now that you're in it 20:03 and you've clearly given it to God? 20:05 I would say, 20:07 the level of intimacy that we have right now 20:10 is something that I see a lot of couples 20:13 that did not take that route of staying pure 20:18 the whole way have yet to achieve, you know. 20:22 Everybody has, of course, their own struggles, 20:24 but I think that giving it to the Lord 20:27 from the beginning saves you a lot of heartache, 20:30 it saves a lot of confusion, 20:33 and I also think that it just makes it all 20:36 the more sweeter in the end, 20:38 knowing that I kept myself from my husband, 20:40 he knows that I am his truly in every sense of the word 20:45 and also just that spiritual commitment 20:48 that we have to each other that it's not just about looks, 20:51 that I know that on my worst days, 20:54 we can look at each other and we can say, 20:57 "I still love you because I see Christ in you, 21:00 and even on the days when I don't see Christ in you, 21:04 I want to strive to show Christ to you 21:07 and reflect that love to you." 21:09 And so, just giving it all to God 21:11 just gives you a different perspective 21:13 in your marriage 21:14 so that when you do tackle those problems, 21:16 it's you do it God's way. 21:18 Yeah. That's awesome. 21:20 And I got to touch on that 21:21 because what you are explaining about your relationship, 21:24 this sounds like intimacy to me. 21:27 But to someone else watching they may say, 21:29 "Well, that's not really intimacy." 21:30 Intimacy is, you know, just sex or just maybe, 21:34 when you see attractive guy and you guys hook up. 21:36 That's intimacy, you know, that's what Hollywood says, 21:39 right, that's what you see on TV and whatnot, 21:42 and if that doesn't work out, yeah, just divorce, you know. 21:44 So explain to us, what does intimacy means? 21:47 What does it really look like and explain 21:49 that a little bit more for us who are not married here? 21:52 Well, I would say intimacy is, it has to do a lot more than, 21:57 you know, the physical, that plays a part in it 22:00 but from what I'm learning in our marriage 22:03 is that everything outside 22:06 of the physical drives the physical. 22:08 Like, you know, I love the fact that I can be myself, 22:12 you know, I like to joke, I like to play around, 22:13 sometimes I act much younger than I already am, 22:16 and she is fine with that. 22:17 She accepts me for who I am, 22:18 and she, and I accept her for who she is, 22:20 but we hold each other to a standard where, 22:23 you know, we want to grow into Lord, 22:25 and that's the best thing for me 22:26 that when I can look back and I'm like, 22:28 "Man, you know, I'm not the same person 22:31 I used to be because of my wife," 22:34 you know, I'm thinking of doing certain things 22:36 because she is in my life 22:37 and I probably wouldn't think of trying 22:39 to reach these heights 22:40 if it wasn't for her in my life and so intimacy, 22:44 it covers more than just the physical, 22:48 and I think how the enemy has played it 22:51 in the world today is all about physical, 22:53 just meeting that urge 22:55 but when you come and counter with Christ, 22:58 He will bring that person to you 23:00 and you'll start to see 23:01 what intimacy is in grander scale 23:03 because it really starts with the Lord, 23:05 it really starts with the Lord. 23:06 Yeah. Yeah. 23:08 So the world says, fulfill your desires, 23:12 it's all about self gratification. 23:14 So there is no place for that in intimacy. 23:17 You really like Christ selfless 23:20 and really trying to please the other person 23:22 and as beautiful that you all have that, 23:25 you have a happy marriage, you know. 23:28 You know, really want to know just ask you about someone 23:31 who is watching who says, 23:32 "Hey, you know, I've made some mistakes, 23:34 I'm not pure, I don't have the key, 23:35 you know, I don't have the medallion, 23:37 I'm just doing other things. 23:38 I hear you all speaking and I do want to change 23:41 but, hey, you know, I've already messed up, 23:43 you know, so what's the point of me 23:46 even trying to stop, you know?" 23:48 What would you say to them? 23:49 Man, I would say that devil is the liar. 23:53 And this is the thing with the devil, 23:54 he tries to bog us down with guilt and shame. 23:57 And I was having a conversation with her sister 24:01 the other day and I was saying, 24:02 you know, she just feel bad about 24:04 a lot of things that she had done. 24:05 She's not close to God as she wants to be. 24:07 And when I'm telling, I'm like, 24:09 "Look, if God didn't want you in the kingdom, 24:12 if He didn't want us, 24:14 why will He send Jesus to die for us?" 24:16 And so that's what the enemy tries to do, 24:17 he tries to get us and believe that, 24:18 "Okay, we have no more hope, 24:20 it's over for us, we can't go back, 24:23 you know, we can't do, we can't be pure," but we can, 24:26 because the blood of Jesus, 24:28 it not only strengthens but it purifies us. 24:31 Amen. Amen. 24:32 It purifies us and so, 24:34 I'm glad that our marriage can be that example 24:37 because we're about around a bunch of young people 24:40 at Oakwood University 24:41 and it makes me feel so good when they say, 24:44 "Man, we really look up to you guys, 24:46 because you guys are real, 24:48 you know, you speak about issues 24:49 that are for real in marriage 24:51 and we see that you guys really love each other 24:53 even though we have a few differences. 24:54 You know, they see the realness in our marriage 24:56 and they see that, 24:57 okay, you don't have to be perfect to be married 24:59 or you're not supposed to look 25:01 for that perfect person to be married. 25:03 What, you're not? 25:04 I mean, you can't live with that perfect person, 25:06 so you need to get married, 25:08 you're not gonna find the perfect person? 25:09 You're not gonna find the perfect person, 25:11 but the point is to find a person 25:12 that's willing to grow in Christ, that's what it is. 25:15 Okay. So here is the question. 25:18 You're not gonna find the perfect person 25:19 but there is this notion that there's always the one, 25:23 God has a specific person for you. 25:26 How do you feel about that? 25:27 Does God have...? How do you...? 25:29 Does God have a person specifically in this world, 25:32 your soul mate so to speak? 25:35 You know, if you don't find that person in this world, 25:37 then it's over for you. 25:39 You'll never really achieve, you know... 25:41 Intimacy. Intimacy, is that true? 25:44 Is it not? What are your views? 25:45 The way I look at it is 25:47 if God took His time to form Adam 25:52 with His own hands, and then say, 25:55 "It is not good that man is alone 25:57 and He took a rib from his side 25:59 and fashioned Eve to be his exact compliment. 26:03 He didn't bring an array of women 26:06 before Adam and say, 26:07 "Here, choose one, whichever one you like," 26:09 but He gave him one specific person for him, 26:13 then why would it be any different for us. 26:18 God's plan is for our restoration 26:22 and God knows the point of our character, 26:24 our points of weakness and I like to think 26:27 that He brings people together 26:31 that can complement one another whatever 26:34 I'm struggling with, you can help me with it, 26:36 whatever you're struggling with, 26:38 I can help you with it. 26:39 And so I do believe that there is a specific person 26:42 that God intends for you. 26:43 Of course, you know, 26:46 we can never know all of God's sovereignty, 26:50 you know, everything that He knows 26:52 but God can take bad choices that we've made in the past 26:56 and He can turn them around for good, 26:58 so I would say, 27:00 especially to someone who maybe has made, 27:03 you know, the wrong decisions in the past, 27:05 maybe they're in a relationship now, 27:06 where they know that God, 27:08 you know, does not want them to be in that relationship 27:10 and they despair, 27:12 "Am I ever gonna find the right one?" 27:14 God has someone specifically intended for you 27:16 because we are set apart by divine design. 27:19 Yes, we are, you know, 27:20 and that's a beautiful note to really conclude on 27:24 because, you know, people out there may be saying, 27:26 you know, a lot of people wondering, 27:27 who is the person for me, you know, will I find the one, 27:31 you know, but, you know, God has someone for us and God, 27:34 God really sees everything that we need and He's there, 27:37 He's looking, He's searching 27:38 and He knows exactly what we need so, 27:40 we really appreciate you all coming on the show. 27:43 Your marriage is beautiful, congratulations. 27:46 Keep on doing the right thing 27:47 and we'll be continuingly praying for you. 27:49 So that's our program. 27:51 We hope you enjoyed it. 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