Participants: Shawn Boonstra (Host), Dan Houghton
Series Code: OTA
Program Code: OTA00003A
00:20 Dr. Standish, I have been looking at this
00:23 fish that you brought, and I can't help
00:24 but notice, this isn't something you would
00:25 find in a fish market, where would find
00:28 something like this? You would find
00:29 this in the Green River Formation.
00:31 In a Green River Formation and does this
00:33 have something to say about the history
00:35 of our earth. I think it tells us a lot.
00:37 Okay, so if people wanna find out
00:39 they are gonna have to stick around
00:40 for Out Of Thin Air.
00:57 Good evening once again and we're really glad
00:59 to have you join us for this third session of
01:02 Pastor Shawn Boonstra series on
01:05 Out of Thin Air. Tonight we will be talking about
01:08 secrets in the stones you know
01:09 and in our last session we're talking about
01:12 all these skulls and the different artifacts
01:15 that were up here that you saw Pastor Boonstra
01:17 was showing. Tonight we're gonna be talking
01:19 about what is secret in the stones.
01:21 I want you all to welcome tonight
01:23 if you would Pastor Shawn Boonstra.
01:34 I'm having a lot of fun with this,
01:37 and one thing that I've noticed is we move along
01:41 through the subject Out Of Thin Air,
01:42 we're doing this in four meetings,
01:44 you will notice there is not a lot of time.
01:46 You think there is a lot of time in an evening
01:48 and it goes just like that, and people
01:49 have been already asking me what about this
01:52 and you didn't answer that
01:53 and what about this. Well we gonna try to get
01:56 to as much as we can if I don't happen to say
01:59 it might show up in the book
02:01 so that's a good reason to read the book.
02:03 Now we're going to skim obviously this subject
02:07 is so big people study it for
02:08 years and years and years, but we want to
02:10 skim along the surface and touch
02:12 the high point, so that people have the tools
02:14 they need to ask intelligent questions
02:16 when they are told things, and that's
02:18 really what we ought be able to do.
02:20 Anything that you can't investigate means
02:23 that somebody is hiding something,
02:25 so we ought to be able to ask honest questions,
02:27 what do you think about that.
02:28 Let's ask some honest questions,
02:29 tonight's subject secrets in the stone,
02:32 and is always because I like to ask God for help
02:35 before I speak, let's bow our heads.
02:38 Dear Lord in heaven, I just thank you
02:40 for the privilege of speaking tonight,
02:42 Lord I wanna give my mind to use,
02:44 so that what I say makes sense
02:46 and I just ask that you would bless
02:48 my thoughts in Jesus name, amen.
02:52 You know the issues that we have been studying
02:54 here at Out Of Thin Air are really big issues,
02:57 there is more at stake in this
02:59 than some people think. You see if I'm wrong
03:02 about the ingredients that I put into a
03:04 casserole no big deal, right. I mess it up
03:07 the kids say its horrible and we all go
03:09 out for dinner, its not a really big deal.
03:11 If I'm wrong about where I park my car
03:14 I get a ticket, I pay the fine,
03:16 I get on with my life. Those are not
03:18 big issues in life, but if I'm wrong about
03:22 the origins of the human race and the planet
03:25 that we live on that touches an awful
03:28 lot of my life, that effects how I spend
03:31 my time, what I make a priority,
03:33 it effects who I'm gonna let into my life.
03:35 These are all great big important questions
03:38 that we're dealing with and it's important
03:40 for us to spend some time thinking about it.
03:43 Now we already had two meetings,
03:44 lets really quickly in two minutes or less
03:47 review some of the things that we've
03:49 already touched on. You remember the other night
03:51 we had the Rubik's Cube out and I said
03:53 if you turn this once a second it would take
03:57 1.4 quintillion years to go through
03:59 all the possibilities and that's the odds that
04:02 life came into being all by itself if you would
04:04 to crunch the numbers. Somebody else has
04:07 crunched the numbers and really you can
04:09 crunch numbers in different ways,
04:10 it depends on how you slice the pie,
04:12 you get slightly different numbers based
04:14 on the criteria you used to crunch the numbers.
04:16 Someone else calculated like this
04:18 and I know people have been asking me
04:19 what you got in the bag up there marbles,
04:22 no those are all here. I've got dice,
04:27 I've been hiding them, seriously,
04:29 what you got a little table here
04:30 and some dice. Preacher you're gonna
04:32 open a casino, no we're not
04:33 going to open a casino. I wanna show you
04:35 something because somebody calculated like
04:37 if I take one die and I roll it on the table
04:40 and it comes up a four, it took me a minute
04:42 to count the dots but it is a four.
04:45 There is a one in six chance that it comes up
04:47 a four, right, right yes one in six.
04:50 Some of you play way too many dice
04:52 you should know the answer to that.
04:53 One in six, if I take two now and I roll them
04:57 on the table I got a two and a five,
04:59 hey its seven isn't that good, is that good,
05:01 the seven is good right, you shouldn't know
05:03 that either. I get a two and a five
05:07 the odds of them both coming up for 1 in 36,
05:10 six times six. If I take three and roll them
05:13 the odds of them all coming 4 is 1 in 216,
05:16 are you with me so far, if I take 30 of them
05:21 and roll them on the table the odds of them
05:24 all coming up the number 4 is
05:27 one in 206 trillion, are you with me.
05:30 That's a two with 23 zero's behind it,
05:33 one in 206 trillion that they all come up
05:36 for four. Now If I would have filled a
05:39 high school gymnasium with dice,
05:41 a high school gymnasium with dice,
05:43 and put a sticker TNT under it
05:45 and blow the whole, I would never do it,
05:47 but blow the whole place up, the odds that
05:50 they all land on four those are the odds
05:53 that life came into being all by itself.
05:55 When you get into numbers that
05:57 big we're not dealing with probability
05:59 anymore it's just impossible. I mean some
06:01 people say anything is possible given
06:03 enough time, sure given enough time I might
06:06 turn blue and float away. It's possible
06:08 if we consider all possibilities over
06:10 an infinite amount of time but there comes
06:12 a point where it's ridiculous.
06:14 It's ridiculous to suggest that life came
06:17 into being all by itself, that's was line
06:18 number 1, line, line number 2
06:19 we looked at the DNA of a man
06:22 and a chimp, and we said look we have been told
06:24 that we're 98 percent chimpanzee
06:28 and we started to talk to Dr. Standish
06:29 last night about what is it mean to be
06:31 98 percent chimpanzee, and we found out
06:33 well if kind of played with the number
06:35 a little bit and really all that means is that
06:37 98 percent of the building blocks
06:39 that make a human, and 98 percent of the
06:41 building blocks that make a chimpanzee
06:43 are the same. If I build a car out of
06:46 lego blocks, and a house out of lego blocks
06:48 my five year old will say that is a car
06:51 and that is a house, they will separate
06:53 the two even though its made out of the
06:54 same stuff. Just because you have
06:56 a lot of DNA in common with the chimp
06:58 doesn't mean that you are identical to the
07:00 chimp and the differences can be huge.
07:02 Now Dr. Standish will be very proud of me,
07:04 I went did some homework after he told me
07:06 what he did, and I got some numbers from people
07:09 who studied these stuff and I discovered
07:10 not only I'm 98 percent chimpanzee,
07:13 I'm 90 percent mouse and I'm 35 percent
07:16 daffodil. You see you can manipulate
07:20 this stuff the differences are huge.
07:22 I've 35 percent in common with the DNA
07:24 the genome of a daffodil. See they are
07:28 really using statistics to make a point
07:30 that isn't there. Then last night we also
07:33 looked at the monkey men they dig out
07:34 of the ground and we discovered
07:35 that just because something looks
07:37 like it is human, doesn't necessarily mean
07:41 that it is and just because something looks
07:43 a little bit difference doesn't mean
07:44 that's its not human. There is just
07:46 great variety in the record,
07:49 are you with me so far. It just doesn't mean
07:51 if it looks a little like us, it doesn't mean
07:53 it is human, and if it looks a little
07:54 different, doesn't mean that it's not, alright.
07:56 That's what we looked at last night.
07:58 Now when I was a kid near my house
08:01 was this amazing hill we call the
08:03 Driftwood fossil bed, and I used to go there
08:05 as a kid and pull rocks out of the fossil bed,
08:07 crack them open, I would find leaves
08:08 and twigs and sticks and bugs inside the rocks,
08:11 and I asked the nature guy out there
08:13 I don't know what his job title is,
08:14 when you are eight you don't care,
08:16 he is just a nature guy. And I said nature guy,
08:18 well I didn't call him that, but nature guy
08:21 what is this mean. He said well over
08:23 millions of years these things just died
08:26 and fell on the ground and it slowly got
08:28 covered up in the next layer
08:29 millions and millions of years.
08:30 Well that has confused the life out of me
08:32 and I was taught again in high school millions
08:34 of years everything has been the same slow
08:36 sedimentation, and I still have some
08:39 questions about it so tonight I have
08:40 Dr. Timothy Standish with me.
08:42 He is gonna help me understand the fossil
08:44 record just a little bit more.
08:46 Please welcome my guest.
08:52 Now I'm gonna just move my dice
08:55 out of the way a little bit and I wanna ask you
08:59 question just before we move into the
09:01 fossil record Dr. Standish.
09:03 You've shown me something that
09:05 I would like you to share with everybody
09:06 some skulls, human skulls that are
09:09 just a little different. Sure, one of the
09:12 interesting things about human biology is that
09:15 obviously there is a lot of natural variation
09:17 that's present there even in the human beings
09:20 who live today. Sometimes the
09:23 environment has a huge impact on things like
09:27 the shape of a person skull, other times
09:30 there is genetic, there are genetic features
09:33 that make a huge impact and what we'll do
09:36 is we bring up a picture right now of a
09:40 microcephalic skull. This is a modern
09:42 human being who was born with an extremely
09:45 small brain in a very small brain case
09:48 obviously as a consequence of that.
09:51 If we are going and digging up
09:52 something like this, what would
09:54 we make of it. Charles Darwin actually made
09:56 something of what he called microcephalic
10:00 idiots, he actually use that word idiots, yes,
10:02 yes, so he wasn't always a kind man.
10:04 Well this is, this is also a technical term,
10:07 alright, so what he said was these were
10:10 a throw back to our ape past when we had
10:14 much smaller brains, right, well maybe
10:19 so or maybe some of those fossils
10:22 that we are digging up are actually just
10:25 microcephalics. In fact the hobbit that
10:28 we looked at last night was,
10:31 is an example of that, people can't decide
10:33 whether it's a microcephalic or not,
10:35 or just a midget or a midget microcephalic
10:38 or what? 10.26 So there is a lot we don't know.
10:42 There is a lot that we don't know,
10:43 now also the environment can make a difference
10:47 I've another picture here. This is a
10:50 woman skull as I recall yes from Peru, okay,
10:54 and this woman you will notice that she has no
10:57 forehead, her head just goes straight back.
11:00 What could cost something like that
11:03 to happen; well it's probably not genetics
11:05 in this particular situation.
11:07 Probably this woman was carrying heavy burdens
11:11 from the time that she was young using a strap
11:14 across her head and then the weight
11:18 going behind her back, just started to pull
11:20 the skull in that direction, exactly
11:22 and over, you know over her lifetime
11:25 this is the result. Again if we're
11:28 digging up somebody like this what would we say,
11:31 what would our conclusion be?
11:34 It might be the conclusion that
11:37 I'm coming to right now this was
11:39 an environmental impact or may be
11:41 we would be confused, maybe we would say
11:43 well that's a different kind of human being,
11:45 maybe it's a human ancestor before
11:48 we developed this kind of forehead
11:51 that we have right now. So the bottom line
11:54 is we just don't have that much information
11:57 about some of these things we dig up.
11:58 Yes and sometimes we may be interpreting
12:01 them correctly and sometimes perhaps not.
12:03 Nobody was back there when these things,
12:06 none of us at least were back there
12:07 when these things. Surely we're finding
12:09 millions of these, these human like fossils
12:12 and we have lots to compare.
12:13 No there are actually very small numbers
12:15 of them; it isn't until you get up to things
12:17 like Neanderthals, so there are significant
12:19 number of significant sample size
12:22 to work with. There are few of these
12:24 australopithecine and so on, may seem quite
12:28 fragmentary but there are not huge
12:30 numbers of them, and by the way it seems
12:33 that there should be, even though,
12:36 even if you say well the population sizes
12:38 were small these population still exist
12:41 over a significant period of time
12:43 and that period of time is in the recent past.
12:46 So, you would expect that there would be
12:49 more I would imagine than they are
12:52 actually are. So in another words,
12:53 I guess we're still doing a lot of educated
12:56 guess work with the things that
12:57 we're finding. We're not really proving a lot
13:00 one way or the other, there is not
13:01 hardcore proof, we're still doing
13:04 some guess work. There is a lot of guess work
13:06 going on, and the guess work is driven a lot
13:12 by what we already believed to be true.
13:14 Obviously I believe that God created
13:17 human beings, so am I and I am gonna interpret
13:20 these things in a significantly different
13:21 way than somebody who is absolutely
13:23 certain that we descended from apes.
13:26 Okay now let me, let me ask you another
13:28 question because I noticed that
13:30 in the debate that's raging,
13:31 and it's a giant debate, everybody is talking
13:33 about it, its in all the book stores,
13:35 its hot in the court room often on,
13:37 but it seems to be sometimes
13:39 a war of words. And so, let me ask you
13:41 a pointed question, you are biologist
13:43 is evolution a real. Yes and no,
13:47 what I'm going to have to do is actually
13:49 define some terms and this is,
13:51 this is one of the things that
13:52 scientist do, I know that just drives
13:53 people mad, but we do it because it makes us
13:56 look very clever, and so we do it.
13:59 If we are really desperate to impress
14:02 we'll start speaking in Latin.
14:03 But really what's going on with the term like
14:08 evolution is that it is commonly used
14:11 in different ways, okay. If you look at just
14:14 one meaning of the word evolution,
14:17 the idea that things have changed over time.
14:21 This is not a controversial idea;
14:24 I personally believe that the Bible gives
14:28 an accurate record of the history of life
14:33 on earth. I wish that it gave more detail
14:35 sometimes, but the record that is
14:37 there is accurate. And as a consequence of that
14:43 I've to believe that things today
14:45 are not the same as they were when God created
14:49 them in the first place, okay,
14:50 things have changed over time.
14:54 On the other hand another meaning
14:57 of this idea I reckon of evolution has to do
15:00 with mechanism, okay, the idea of natural
15:03 selection, right, that Charles Darwin
15:05 came up with. Now we coupled it together
15:07 with DNA mutation, the idea that the
15:10 DNA changes randomly that produces variation
15:14 and then natural selection works on that
15:17 variation and through this process we go from
15:20 amoebas, to giraffes, or human beings
15:24 or oak trees. Right now certainly that process
15:28 has been demonstrated that we mutate
15:31 and that's an advantage and so on right.
15:32 We got a mountain of evidence.
15:34 No, there is actually very little evidence of
15:40 mutations that actually produce something
15:43 that is a beneficial in anyway.
15:46 In fact I cannot think of a single example
15:50 that is an unambiguously spurious situation
15:54 that's obviously due to a mutation.
15:57 On the other had I can think of dozens of
15:59 the top of my head and I'm sure I could
16:01 give you hundreds if I looked in the literature
16:04 of mutations that cause severe problems like
16:08 microcephalic, right okay, the skill which
16:11 we just looked at. So, evolution can be used
16:14 different ways and its important when people
16:15 are discussing this and everybody knows
16:17 what we are talking about when
16:19 we talk about evolution. Yes now a
16:22 third definition and there are more than
16:24 the three that I'm giving you here,
16:25 is the idea that there is no God involved.
16:30 Somehow that the chemicals can randomly
16:33 interact together and ultimately produce
16:36 that first amoeba what have you and then that,
16:39 then this mechanism of natural selection
16:42 is sufficient them to bring us to where we are
16:44 now without any outside intervention.
16:49 So that would be a third idea and obviously that
16:52 something that we as Christians and I think
16:56 that many people who look at the evidence
16:59 its actually available have a
17:00 major problem with. Okay, I wanna get to
17:05 the fossil record with you in just a moment,
17:06 but I can't help but ask you because
17:08 I got you here captive. I brought this magazine
17:12 some time ago and I've made reference to it,
17:14 was Darwin wrong National Geographic.
17:17 Have you seen this? Yes I have,
17:20 in fact I've to admit that when I saw it
17:25 initially I started reading it right from
17:29 the very beginning and in fact I started off
17:31 with the editorial in here, this from
17:36 the editorial. Let me just read you the first
17:38 two sentences. Humans are not descended
17:42 from apes, but then Charles Darwin
17:45 never claimed we are. These are people who
17:49 have not read Charles Darwin clearly.
17:52 In the descent of man, a book called
17:55 The Descent of Man, Charles Darwin
17:57 spends an entire chapter explaining that
18:01 we are apes and so are chimpanzees
18:04 and gorillas and so therefore we all
18:07 descended from an ape ancestor.
18:10 So there has been some carelessness
18:13 that is caused to be able to question
18:14 in article like this. Yes many people,
18:18 many people including I'm sure the editors in
18:20 National Geographic have what they consider
18:23 to be the best interest of everybody in mind,
18:27 they don't mean to misrepresent things,
18:30 right, I'm sure, however what they think
18:36 Darwinism is about is actually not what
18:41 its about, okay, which is shocking you would
18:45 think they would have bothered to read what
18:47 Darwin said but they simply haven't.
18:49 Okay, now let's take their thought,
18:51 let's go into the fossil record and let me
18:54 ask you some questions because
18:55 when I was a kid, I went to the fossil bed
18:58 I found all kinds of stuff. They told me that
19:00 those fossils were buried there over
19:02 millions and millions of years, slow
19:04 sedimentation covered them up
19:05 and then the next layer, and the next layer,
19:07 and that's why we find what we did in the side
19:10 of that hill. That's what I was told,
19:13 is that the only way to understand
19:14 the fossil record. I do believe so
19:17 and I'm not alone in this, those who believe
19:21 that the Bible gives an accurate record of the
19:25 earth's history and those who don't have
19:29 some areas in which they agree,
19:31 and this idea that you're speaking about
19:35 its called uniformitarianism.
19:37 It's much easier to say it happens slow.
19:39 Exactly, exactly, but then you wouldn't know
19:42 how smart we really are without saying
19:44 these big words. The idea is and it sounds
19:49 reasonable that the processes that we see
19:52 happening today, those are the processes
19:55 that occurred in the past, and things just,
19:58 you know erosion is happening slowly today,
20:01 and sediment is accumulating slowly
20:05 today, so therefore that's how things
20:08 really work. But when you look at much
20:13 of the evidence in the fossil record that's,
20:15 that's not what you see. What you see
20:18 are catastrophic events, okay, that may
20:23 or may not all be linked together looking up
20:26 things from a scientific perspective
20:27 but certainly big events. I'll give you
20:30 an example, just very, very recently,
20:34 it's been published that the English Channel
20:39 was not something that was formed by slowly
20:43 erosion or something like that, what they
20:45 believe now is that in the not too distant
20:48 past there was a huge flood that came down
20:52 out of Norway and up in that direction
20:54 and simply gouged it out in a very short period
20:58 of time, quick change to the earth surface,
21:00 very rapid, very, very rapid. And you see
21:03 these kind of things all over the place.
21:05 Another example would be an area called
21:07 the Channeled Scablands, in Washington State
21:11 where for years they didn't have very good
21:13 ideas about how these geological structures
21:17 were formed. Now the consensus is
21:20 that there was a huge flood that
21:22 came down through there and it just washed
21:25 everything out there are cubic miles
21:28 of water in 24 hours, whoosh amazing.
21:32 So what is that have to do with the
21:34 fossil record, you know millions of years
21:37 slow sedimentation or uniformitarianism,
21:40 right, yes, verses I guess catastrophe
21:43 is what you are saying, catastrophism, wow,
21:47 there is a word for it catastrophism.
21:51 Does catastrophism account for some of what
21:53 we see in the fossil record? I believe
21:55 it accounts for a significant amount
21:57 and obviously looking at just one example here
22:02 or one example there really doesn't give,
22:05 give an idea of what's happening
22:08 on a global scale, but when you start putting
22:10 things together, you see this pattern
22:12 all the way around the world in the rocks,
22:15 in various ways. I brought along a fossil
22:18 here that I think illustrates
22:20 what is going on, why the fossil record
22:25 in enigmatic? Why sometimes you have to
22:28 in those short periods of time
22:30 to get what you actually see. This is a fish
22:34 and I actually had the privilege of
22:37 collecting it, this is your find, that's right,
22:39 you found this? Yes, I found this;
22:40 well I'm very proud of it. Most people might
22:43 look at this fish and say well that's not a
22:45 very good fish, and he is a mess,
22:48 he is a mess. Yes, if you look at him he looks
22:52 like he is in mid explosion, yeah he does,
22:55 and that's really the interesting thing
22:57 about it. You can find in what's called the
23:00 Green River Formation plenty of fish
23:02 that are in perfect shape by that I mean
23:05 all of their bones are together
23:07 and they really look like a fish.
23:09 But this guy fascinates me because it says
23:13 if the fossil record caught him exploding,
23:16 amazing. So, did he explode slowly over
23:20 millions of years? I'm guessing that he
23:22 didn't explode slowly over millions of years,
23:24 and if you ever observed a fish that's rotting
23:28 away, you do see the scales sort of
23:31 begin to come off like this, yeah,
23:32 but imagine if there is any kind of current,
23:35 any kind of wave action, they get washed away
23:38 very, very fast, sure. Somehow or rather
23:41 this fish appears to have been just
23:45 fossilized in a snap, in an instant.
23:49 So, that's not gonna happen under uniform
23:51 conditions not under the condition
23:53 we watch a fish on the beach dying today
23:55 something else happened here
23:57 and happened quickly. No yes exactly
23:59 it happened very, very fast, how it happened
24:02 I honestly don't know. Well you weren't there
24:05 I take it while taking. I was not there
24:07 and there are people who are experts in this,
24:10 people like taphonomists, these are
24:13 people who study what happens
24:15 to dead things after they die.
24:17 How do you choose that major?
24:19 I can't imagine but I have friends
24:22 who do this, okay and I'm sure that they have
24:26 a number of theories about this,
24:28 but I can guarantee you that none of them
24:30 involve years of time, I would imagine
24:33 not even weeks of time, perhaps not even days
24:37 of time. Time is short with something like this
24:41 and you see it with many, many other things.
24:43 Imagine the fish that looked perfect.
24:46 How long could they have been sitting
24:47 around dead. Well yeah fish tends to go
24:51 bad quickly. Exactly, now one of the
24:54 explanations that's given by the way,
24:56 commonly given is well these fish fell down
24:58 to a bottom of the lake, or the bottom
25:00 of the ocean and there was no oxygen
25:02 down there. Only people who haven't studied
25:06 biochemistry could believe that,
25:08 that is a way of preserving fish.
25:12 That's simply not what happens,
25:14 when you take away oxygen it doesn't
25:16 preserve things, in fact they rot perhaps
25:19 even faster. Okay, so as a result of that
25:22 that doesn't cover it. You showed me
25:24 a picture of a crab, yes, in that I found
25:28 fascinating may be we could show everybody.
25:29 A horseshoe crab, this crab actually is right
25:34 near my office and I love to go and look
25:36 at it, because if you look carefully behind
25:41 this crab you can see a trail behind it,
25:44 it's a little foot prints there
25:46 in the mud. I've contemplated this thing
25:50 for a long period of time. How does something
25:54 like that happen? It's clearing walking
25:58 and then it stops, and then it stops,
26:00 its dead, it doesn't trash around in any
26:05 sort of death throws, its just boom there,
26:08 frozen in time. I was in a little town in Germany
26:14 down in the area called Sonthofen
26:16 a couple of years ago, a marvelous museum
26:20 is there and they have a horseshoe crab
26:23 like this there with probably 819 meters
26:28 of trail behind it. How do you capture something
26:34 like that, your one wave it seems would wash
26:37 away that trail, obviously the whole
26:40 thing had to be done extremely rapidly.
26:45 Now we can't scientifically prove
26:47 Noah's flood. We can't say look here's
26:49 Noah's flood not with numbers and weights
26:52 and measures but there is enough in the
26:55 fossil record if I'm understanding correctly
26:58 to suggest that a great catastrophe accounts
27:00 for a lot of this. Yes, a lot of water could
27:03 account for some of these things.
27:04 In fact many people may have heard
27:06 the theory that dinosaurs for example
27:08 were all wiped out by a great big global
27:11 catastrophe, right, this idea of global
27:15 catastrophe is not formed to our
27:18 understanding of the fossil record whether
27:20 we are believers in the biblical record
27:23 or people who have other, other kinds of
27:27 belief systems. How complete is the
27:29 fossil record, I mean I'm told that lizards
27:33 became birds and so on. How complete is the
27:36 fossil record? It depends on who you
27:39 talk to, Charles Darwin by the way believed
27:42 that the fossil record did not support
27:44 his theory, fascinating. He is very plain
27:49 about that, and in fact he says its probably
27:50 one of the major objections that can be
27:53 raised against his theory of evolution
27:56 because you don't see all of these creatures
28:01 that should link together other
28:03 creatures, and as a consequence of that
28:06 Darwin said well the fossil record must be
28:09 very bad. He is just saying it's just
28:12 a poor record. Yes, it's incomplete.
28:14 Now many reliable sources are saying that
28:20 the fossil record is actually fairly
28:23 complete, okay, and those missing links
28:28 which by the way is a term that people
28:32 naturally drew from the writings of
28:34 Charles Darwin, he talks about this great chain
28:37 of being and that the links, linking them
28:41 together not there, so missing links is a term
28:45 that naturally comes from his writings,
28:47 they remain missing. And there is an interesting
28:51 trend with this missing links,
28:53 that trend is this, the more closely related
28:59 two things are the more likely you are to find
29:03 something that you might be able to say
29:05 well maybe that could possibly be a
29:09 missing link, sure, between the things.
29:11 On the other hands the more distantly related
29:14 things are, the less likely it is that
29:18 you find something linking them together,
29:21 and yet think about this, which things
29:24 should have the most missing links,
29:26 those that have been separated
29:28 by huge periods of time with millions upon
29:31 millions upon millions of ancestors leading
29:33 back to a common ancestor, or those
29:37 that are very closely related,
29:39 and so they split apart only very recently,
29:42 and only have a you know relatively few
29:45 generations of organisms linking them together.
29:48 Absolutely amazing, so really the stuff
29:50 where we should find lot of links,
29:52 things that are, they say are in a chain of
29:54 ancestry with each other. We should have
29:57 a lot of proof in between, there should be
29:59 stuff there and you are saying we're not really
30:01 finding it, it's absent. We don't have the
30:04 transitional life forms, exactly.
30:06 There, there now I should tell you
30:07 there are one or two, one or two sort of
30:10 potential missing links out there,
30:13 but there should be millions of them
30:17 and they are not there, they are simply absent,
30:21 and this actually brings up another topic
30:25 that's related to what we're talking about
30:27 with the fossil record, and that is the idea of
30:30 things just suddenly appearing in it.
30:34 If you look at these layers of rock
30:38 with fossils in them, it's very common to see
30:42 a pattern where there is nothing, nothing,
30:43 nothing essentially nothing and then boom
30:46 a whole bunch of something.
30:48 The most dramatic example of that is in
30:51 what's called the Cambrian explosion.
30:55 The vast majority of sedimentary rock
30:58 is below this layer called the Cambrian
31:02 and that layer has very few fossils in it.
31:07 There are some but very few and then
31:11 all of a sudden you get to this Cambrian layer
31:13 and there's tons of things all kinds of
31:18 different stuff. In fact some people believe
31:22 that there were more profoundly different
31:24 kinds of animals at least back then,
31:27 than they are living today, amazing.
31:30 So really what we find in the fossil record is
31:33 not necessarily always this uniform
31:35 sedimentation, I mean review because I know,
31:38 yes, we can't get a Ph.D in biology out of you
31:41 in these few minutes, I would love to,
31:43 but we don't see uniform mechanism
31:47 there is evidence of catastrophe,
31:49 there is evidence of life suddenly
31:50 coming into being diversified,
31:53 lots of variety all at once. Yes, which is by
31:56 the way is again exactly the opposite of what
31:59 Charles Darwin would predict,
32:02 but it's not the opposite of what
32:05 the Bible says. Dr. Standish I'm so glad
32:07 you joined me again tonight. Thank you,
32:08 thank you so much for you time,
32:10 thank you so much. Let me draw your attention
32:14 to a Bible verse that we looked at
32:17 the other night in the opening sequence for
32:20 Out of Thin Air. It comes from 2 Peter
32:22 chapter 3. Watch this carefully because
32:24 I didn't read you the whole thing.
32:26 For this they willfully forget: that by the
32:30 word of God the heavens were of old.
32:31 So the Bible talks about people willfully
32:33 ignoring evidence that God created.
32:35 I didn't finished the verse
32:36 the rest of it says, and the earth standing out
32:40 of water and in the water, by which
32:42 the world that then existed perished,
32:44 being flooded with water. Two things
32:46 it would be deliberately ignored the creation
32:49 of this world by God, and the fact that
32:51 it was once flooded by water.
32:54 Here's what really interesting,
32:56 this is in the context of last day events
32:59 in the second coming of Christ.
33:00 Peter says this, he said they are not only going
33:03 to make fun of people who believe in Jesus,
33:06 and believe that Jesus might come again.
33:07 These are the same people that would point
33:09 back and say and willfully ignore
33:11 the evidence that God created
33:13 and that the world might have been hit
33:14 by a catastrophe like a flood.
33:18 Here's a question why ignore evidence,
33:21 why ignore clear evidence on one hand,
33:24 but accepts scanty evidence on the other.
33:28 Why is it that we are allowed to talk about
33:30 somethings in public circles but not others?
33:33 There have been restrictions put on
33:36 people that they are not allowed to suggest
33:37 in the classroom to students that somebody
33:40 may have designed this place on purpose.
33:42 Those restrictions are in place, even for
33:44 people who never referred to the Bible
33:46 and only used pre-reviewed scientific
33:48 studies to make the case that there might be
33:50 problems with this theory of spontaneous
33:53 generation and evolution,
33:54 why, why, why? My youngest daughter
33:57 if she says to me daddy, yes honey,
34:00 daddy whatever you do don't go in
34:03 mommy's closet, don't go in there.
34:06 Why not honey and I play like
34:08 I'm gonna go in. No daddy you can't go
34:10 in there, why not. I can't tell you just
34:12 don't go in. Do you know what I know;
34:14 my birthday present is in the closet.
34:18 People only forbid discussion if they are
34:22 afraid of what you might find.
34:24 I don't mind my kids studying
34:27 the fossil record, I'm not afraid of what
34:30 they might find and that's something for us
34:33 to think about very seriously.
34:35 And now it's time for you to get
34:39 out lesson number three.
34:53 It's time to take out our lessons
34:55 Out of Thin Air, lesson number three,
34:58 Secrets in Stone. And I wanna go directly
35:02 to our screen in question number one.
35:04 The existence of the fossil record
35:07 is attributed to millions of years of
35:09 uniform sedimentary buildup as you
35:12 reflect on tonight's presentation.
35:13 Pastor Shawn Boonstra, Dr. Timothy Standish
35:17 what do you remember as some of the problems
35:20 with this interpretation?
35:22 There are several things we want to
35:23 take a look at. Number one it was told to us
35:27 that there were a number of sedimentary layers
35:29 that didn't have much fossil if any in them,
35:32 and then all of a sudden there was a layer
35:33 that had all kinds of fossils in it, okay,
35:36 like there was some kind of a cataclysmic
35:38 or a surprise kind of an event that took place.
35:42 This idea of the uniform sedimentary build up
35:44 would have given us the idea that it should
35:46 have taken a lot of time and should have
35:47 been something uniform in there, right.
35:49 So you have the idea that there are some
35:51 surprises within these different layers.
35:54 Now I want you to write that down
35:55 in your lesson. Number one if there are some
35:58 surprises in these layers that are
36:00 unexplained. One of those surprises is this
36:04 exploding fish that was pointed out to us
36:08 in our lecture. This idea that you would
36:10 preserve a fish that was in the process
36:12 of some kind of a cataclysmic event
36:15 happening that it did not deteriorate
36:18 into the fossil record book
36:19 it was actually preserved there,
36:21 that's an interesting surprise that does not
36:24 match this sedimentary theory that we were
36:27 talking about here earlier tonight.
36:29 There is another third point, processes
36:33 that we've thought would take a million years,
36:36 we've been told, and we've been taught
36:37 in certain of these classes that take
36:39 millions of years to accomplish. Scientists
36:42 now are finding out that these things can happen
36:45 very quickly and very suddenly without taking
36:47 that long period time as in the story of the
36:50 English Channel that you heard Dr. Standish
36:53 gave to us early this evening.
36:55 So, the third point you wanna write down
36:58 is processes that were supposed to take
37:00 long periods of time actually can be
37:02 accomplished in very short amount of time.
37:05 These are some of the problems,
37:06 there may be have been some other problems
37:08 that you'll think of and you'll want to
37:09 write down, those are three that
37:10 I want you to think about tonight.
37:12 Let's go to question number two.
37:14 What is the ultimate reason for pain,
37:17 suffering and struggle on this planet?
37:20 We are gonna go to Genesis 3:17-19
37:23 and the second part of that question is
37:25 why do you think God allows us to exist
37:27 in this fashion? Let's read the scriptures.
37:31 Then to Adam he said: "Because you have
37:33 heeded the voice of your wife,
37:35 and have eaten from the tree of which
37:37 I commanded you, saying, 'You shall
37:40 not eat of it' Cursed is the ground
37:42 for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it
37:45 all the days of your life. Both thorns
37:48 and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
37:50 And you shall eat the herb of the field.
37:52 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
37:55 till you return to the ground, For out of it
37:58 you were taken; for dust you are,
38:00 and to dust you shall return."
38:03 So what is the ultimate reason for pain,
38:05 suffering and struggling in this planet, sin,
38:11 the separation from God that is the reason.
38:13 Now the second part of the question is,
38:14 why do you think God allows us to continue
38:17 to exist in this way? Before we answer that
38:21 question I just want to say that sin
38:24 and the result of sin was not God's problem,
38:27 that was not something he intended,
38:29 that is result of action that was taken by
38:32 the human family by his creation.
38:34 It is not his plan for suffering and sin
38:37 and the results of that to continue on forever.
38:40 It's not part of his plan, but in having to
38:43 deal with this plan there are several things
38:45 that you noticed in that text.
38:47 Number one when we are tempted to do
38:50 wrong many times as when we have nothing to do.
38:54 Well, have you ever heard the law,
38:55 its saying this is ideal hands in the
38:57 devils workshop, so it gives us
39:00 something to do. God has given us
39:02 something to do to take care of ourselves
39:05 in this condition that we are in,
39:06 it's another thing. Second thing
39:09 the condition that we are in and the problems
39:12 that we have, and whenever we experience
39:14 pain, suffering and these kinds of things
39:15 there is a second thing that does to us,
39:18 it causes us to go back and have a greater
39:21 dependents on him. It's kind of hard to be
39:25 self satisfied when things aren't going
39:27 too well. Okay, It causes us to go back
39:30 and be depended on him, and as a result of that
39:32 number three I want you to write down,
39:34 we have desire to reconnect with him
39:38 because we have hope that there is something
39:40 better, he is going to restore it in the way
39:42 that will actually get rid of some of that
39:46 suffering, in fact all of that suffering,
39:47 pain and sorrow and heartache, okay.
39:50 Question number three, surprisingly,
39:53 the Bible links two important events
39:54 together: Noah's flood and the second coming
39:56 of Christ. How does the Bible make
39:59 this comparison? Let's take a look at
40:00 Matthew chapter 24 first. But of that day
40:04 and hour no one knows no not even the angels
40:07 of heaven, but my Father only.
40:09 But as the days of Noah were, so also will be
40:12 the coming of the Son of Man.
40:14 For as in the days before the flood,
40:16 they were eating and drinking, marrying
40:18 and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah
40:21 entered the Ark; and did not know until
40:23 the flood came and took them all away,
40:24 so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
40:28 Isn't it interesting that we have the
40:30 comparison of just before Christ comes
40:33 back to just before the biblical record
40:37 of the flood with Noah. We gonna look at that
40:39 some of the things out of that text,
40:41 but I want to read the next text before
40:42 we go to that. 2 Peter 3:3-6, you heard
40:47 Pastor Boonstra read this text
40:49 a little bit earlier. Knowing this first
40:51 that scoffers will come in the last days walking
40:54 according to their own lusts,
40:55 and saying: "Where is the promise
40:58 of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep,
41:01 all things continuing as they were
41:03 from the beginning of creation.
41:05 "For this they willingly forget,
41:07 that by the word of God the heavens
41:09 were of old, and the earth standing out
41:12 of the water and in the water,
41:14 by which the world that then existed
41:15 perished, being flooded with water.
41:18 I want you to note something carefully
41:21 as we look at these answers in our
41:22 number three. Lifestyle similarity to the people
41:26 just before the flood and the people
41:28 just before the second coming.
41:29 There is a similarity in lifestyle, eating,
41:32 drinking, marrying, giving in marriage
41:35 those are the things talking about how things
41:37 are going in our regular life. Would you agree
41:39 that that's happening here in
41:41 Southern California and maybe in your community
41:42 wherever you are, are watching this tonight.
41:45 Those things are happening,
41:47 and you know the other part of that scripture
41:49 that is interesting it says and knew not until
41:51 the flood came. What is the Bible record
41:54 tell us, tells us that Noah was preaching
41:57 for how long, 120 years to let people know
42:02 that there was flood coming but the Bible,
42:03 Jesus said okay in the book of Matthew that
42:06 they did not know until the flood came
42:08 and swept them all away, okay.
42:11 There is a lifestyle similarity even though
42:15 it was announced for 120 years how can
42:17 it be a surprise if it was announced
42:19 for 120 years, okay. It's a same thing
42:23 we find here in 2 Peter, they willfully
42:27 denied the existence of these things;
42:30 those who heard refused to believe.
42:32 Now I want you to remember in our last
42:35 session, we talked about a certain scientist
42:39 that because he could not justify
42:41 what was happening he choose,
42:42 he said even though I can't make this work
42:45 with evolution, I can't live with the idea
42:47 of a God, so I'm gonna choose to believe
42:50 this instead, you remember that
42:51 from last night. Same thing is happening;
42:53 this is being told to us right out of scripture
42:54 that is the way mass groups of the population
42:58 are relating to this question, okay.
43:00 Now in 2 Peter 3:3-6, we willfully forget,
43:06 that's what I want you to write down
43:08 in your lesson willingly forget the creation
43:11 and the flood, and so the logical deduction
43:15 from that is that we will also,
43:16 people will also willfully forget
43:19 the warnings that are being given about
43:21 his second coming. Now question number four,
43:24 why might someone want to get us to disbelieve
43:28 the story of the flood and the story of
43:29 creation? Why in the world should this
43:31 even be an issue? Let's look at three
43:34 passages of scripture Revelation chapter 12
43:36 verses 7 and 8. And war broke out in heaven:
43:39 Michael and his angels fought with the dragon;
43:42 and the dragon and his angels fought,
43:44 but they did not prevail, nor was a place
43:47 found for them in heaven any longer.
43:49 This passage in scripture tells us about
43:51 a war that went on cosmically outside
43:56 of our human existence in heaven in fact.
43:59 And it says there are this angles fighting
44:00 on both sides, there is this galactics struggle
44:03 that's going on. Okay we're introduced
44:05 to the idea of a cosmic conflict,
44:08 a fight going on within this universe, okay.
44:12 So then we want to go to Isaiah chapter 14
44:16 verses 12-14. Let's find out what this fight
44:18 was all about. How you are fallen from heaven,
44:21 O Lucifer, son of the morning!
44:23 How you have are cut down to the ground,
44:25 you who weakened the nations
44:27 For you have said in your heart:
44:29 I will ascend into heaven; I will exalt
44:33 my throne above the stars of God;
44:34 I will also sit on the mount of the
44:36 congregation on the farthest sides
44:39 of the north, and I will ascend above
44:40 the heights of the clouds, I will be like
44:44 the Most High. You see in this conflict
44:48 that has been shown to us in the scriptures,
44:50 we find out why it might be that there
44:54 would be a desire to cause people to
44:57 willfully forget, to be diverted to have
45:00 their attention over here when
45:01 the reality is over here.
45:04 Now I wanted to do one more passage here,
45:07 our next one is in Matthew chapter 4 verses 8-10.
45:11 We have a situation where Jesus has been
45:13 baptized in the River Jordan,
45:16 you can read the scripture in the
45:17 preliminary to this and he is now out in the
45:19 wilderness being tempted by the devil.
45:21 You have Christ and you have the devil here.
45:23 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly
45:25 high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms
45:28 of the world, and their glory; And he said to him,
45:31 "All these things will I give you, if you will
45:34 fall down and worship me."
45:37 Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan!
45:39 What was the issue worship, back in Isaiah,
45:44 what did he say that Satan said in his
45:46 heart as he was Lucifer, Lucifer then
45:48 became Satan; he said I'll be like the most high.
45:53 What is there about the most high that
45:56 is so unique as our creator,
45:58 it commands worship. Lucifer,
46:02 Satan wanted that worship to come to himself,
46:05 the issue is over worship.
46:07 Here you see he is saying to Jesus you don't
46:09 have to go through this plan that you have been
46:10 brought down here, you don't have to face
46:11 the crush, you don't have to do all those things,
46:13 if you'll just bow down and worship
46:15 me I'll give it all to you, okay, that's what
46:18 this fight is all about its worship.
46:21 Now here is the main thing I want you to write
46:23 down in number four. If the devil can
46:26 successfully point us away from the flood,
46:30 he can also successfully point us away from the
46:33 second coming of Jesus Christ which is meant
46:36 to bring all this back into balance and to be a
46:40 recreation where sin and sorrow and suffering
46:42 is no more, okay. If he can point us away
46:45 in one area he can point us away in another one,
46:47 okay. Number five, what are the problems
46:51 with the theory of theistic evolution,
46:53 which teaches that God indeed created this world,
46:56 but used the long process of evolution
46:58 and natural selection? Somehow our hybrid
47:02 is the idea behind theistic evolution.
47:04 Let's read these passages of scripture,
47:06 and see if we can find out what the problem
47:09 with this is from the biblical perspective.
47:12 Genesis chapter 1 and verse 31:
47:15 Then God saw everything that he had made,
47:17 and indeed it was very good. So the evening,
47:21 and the morning were the sixth day.
47:23 And the Lord God commanded the man,
47:25 saying, "Of every tree of the garden
47:27 you may freely eat; but of the tree of the
47:30 knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,
47:33 for in the day that you eat of it
47:34 you will surely die." Then to Adam he said,
47:39 "Because you have heeded the voice
47:40 of your wife, and have eaten from the tree
47:42 of which I commanded you, saying,
47:44 'You shall not eat of it': cursed is the ground
47:46 for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it all
47:48 the days of your life. Both thorns
47:50 and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
47:52 and you shall eat the herb of the field.
47:54 In the sweat of your face you shall eat
47:56 bread till you return to the ground,
47:58 for out of it you were taken;
47:59 for dust you are, and to dust you shall return."
48:02 The text we've read little bit earlier
48:03 this evening. Let's also go on to a couple
48:07 of verses before I come back and we look
48:08 at the answers. 1 Corinthians chapter 15
48:10 verses 21-26: For since by man came death,
48:15 by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
48:19 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ
48:22 all shall be made alive. But each one in his
48:25 own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward
48:30 those who are Christ's at His coming.
48:32 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom
48:34 to God the Father, when He puts an end to all
48:37 rule and all authority and all power.
48:40 For He must reign till He has put all enemies
48:43 under His feet. The last enemy that will be
48:45 destroyed is death. I want you to say one
48:49 more time with me, the last enemy that
48:51 shall be destroyed is death.
48:55 Does that make you feel good that there is going
48:58 to be destruction of this thing called death?
49:00 Everybody within the sound of my voice has,
49:03 had someone close to them die,
49:06 they lost someone in death. And if this
49:09 continues on if this cycle of our world
49:13 continues on, every one of us that are alive right
49:15 now will die and there will be new ones
49:17 on the earth, new human beings on the earth.
49:20 Tell you what I like the fact that it says
49:23 that death is an enemy, and that it will be
49:26 destroyed, praise God for that, okay.
49:30 Now I want you to write down the answers
49:33 to a couple of these, okay. Now what is the problem
49:37 with God using evolution as a part of his system?
49:42 Lets the theistic evolution he creates
49:44 it then uses evolution to let this happen
49:46 over long periods of time. What's the main problem
49:49 with that? Main problem is if God used evolution
49:53 then the problem of sin and suffering and death
49:56 happened before Adam and Eve, because the fossil
50:00 record shows a history of death, does it not.
50:05 Look at this fish up here, that fish has
50:08 died right, okay, if God used evolution over
50:12 a long period of time then we got a problem
50:16 because before Adam and Eve ever got their
50:18 sin was in existence in this planet, okay,
50:22 that makes a very negative statement about
50:27 who our God is that he would create an
50:30 environment for sin and suffering and death
50:33 was there from the very beginning, okay.
50:39 The Bible also teaches a very, very
50:41 important point, you can look a scripture,
50:44 scripture teaches us that God created the world
50:47 perfect and who ruined it, human beings
50:53 by responding to the temptations that were put
50:56 before them by Lucifer turned Satan.
50:59 We ruined it, theistic evolution teaches just
51:02 the opposite that God created in an imperfect
51:05 world and we're just happen to be caught
51:07 in that and somehow in the process
51:09 we are gonna gain back to the perfection
51:11 that maybe was ultimately meant to be,
51:14 big problem with that. The second problem
51:17 is that it denies the entire premise
51:20 of scripture, okay, that we brought death
51:25 into this world but did God conquers death
51:28 by sending his son Jesus Christ to pay the
51:32 penalty for death for us, it's a second part
51:34 of that answer on that question, okay.
51:37 Want to go to our question number six:
51:41 The fossil record seems to indicate a great
51:43 catastrophe in the ancient past,
51:45 and this clearly squares with the biblical record.
51:48 What do such events say about the character
51:51 of God and what hope does it give us
51:53 for the future? Revelation chapter 21 verses 3-5:
51:57 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying,
52:00 "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men,
52:04 and He will dwell with them, and they shall be
52:06 His people, and God Himself will be with them
52:09 and be their God. And God will wipe away
52:12 every tear from their eyes; there shall be
52:15 no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying;
52:17 and there shall be no more pain, for the former
52:20 things have passed away."
52:21 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold,
52:24 I make all things new." And He said to me,
52:27 "Write, for these words are true and faithful."
52:32 When you stop and consider the fact that
52:35 our God is true and faithful, doesn't that
52:38 give you a beautiful picture of God.
52:41 The opposite picture is not very pretty,
52:43 but if we think of him being true and faithful
52:44 is an incredibly beautiful picture.
52:47 Nahum 1 in verse 9: What do you conspire
52:50 against the Lord? He will make an utter end of it.
52:53 Affliction will not rise up a second time.
52:55 In other words God is saying here I'm not gonna
52:57 let this go on and on, we gonna bring it to a
52:59 conclusion and stop this and start it all over
53:02 again with a new creation.
53:04 That's totally counter to what has been proposed
53:07 in a theory of evolution,
53:09 the evolutionary process. 2 Peter 3:9:
53:13 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise,
53:16 as some men count slackness;
53:17 but is longsuffering towards us,
53:19 not willing that any should perish,
53:22 but that all should come to repentance.
53:25 What kind of a picture does it give you of God;
53:27 he doesn't want anyone to perish but all to come
53:32 to a knowledge of God through repentance,
53:36 okay. The answer that I want you to write down
53:39 to question number six. The fossil record seems
53:42 to indicate a great catastrophe;
53:45 and this does clearly square with the
53:46 biblical record. The biblical record says
53:48 there was a great catastrophe.
53:50 What do such events say about the character
53:52 of God? Number one, the world has a wrong view
53:56 of the character of the God, have you ever
53:58 noticed that an insurance company says
53:59 if there is something bad happen, a tornado
54:01 hits your house or an earthquake what does
54:02 it say act of God. You know where did that
54:07 come from, God is not trying to destroy people,
54:10 he is not willing that any should perish
54:13 but all should come to a knowledge of him
54:16 through repentance. God is not trying to destroy,
54:20 He wants to eliminate pain and suffering
54:23 and he is trying to do it in a way where we are
54:27 a part of the clean up of this mess but we are
54:30 actually there he does it without destroying
54:32 the world, isn't that an amazing thing?
54:35 He could have destroyed the whole thing and
54:36 started over again, but he is trying to do
54:37 without destruction. And I tell you what
54:41 I'm grateful that he is not willing
54:42 that any should perish.
54:45 Right now, God is offering you hope,
54:49 he is offering me hope, whether you are sitting
54:52 in a home somewhere watching this by DVD
54:54 whether you are in a public auditorium
54:56 or a church, or in a small group around the
54:58 television or you are here in this live audience,
55:00 he is offering you hope for the future.
55:03 He has indicated many times that He is in
55:05 control of this world, and right now
55:08 He wants to know whether or not you'll let
55:10 Him take control of your life.
55:12 And I just want to ask you wherever you are sitting
55:14 right now would you like to let Jesus take
55:16 control of your life, would you rather have
55:17 him in control of your life than this theory
55:20 that somehow out of control overtime,
55:22 randomly things might happen to you
55:24 and you might end up in a fossil records
55:26 sometime while some distant relative way
55:28 down the line attain some perfection somewhere.
55:31 If you would like to let Jesus be in control
55:34 of your life, if you would like to say I don't
55:35 want to be part of a sedimentary
55:37 rock somewhere, I want to be you son,
55:39 I want to be your daughter.
55:41 I would like to invite you just to bow
55:43 your heads with me as we pray
55:44 and thank him for his plan of salvation.
55:47 Holy Father in heaven thank you,
55:50 thank you that you have given us evidence
55:52 in your scripture, you've given us evidence
55:54 in the rocks to let us know that the biblical
55:58 account is accurate and correct,
56:02 and just as in the days of Noah there were all
56:04 these things happening there were normal life
56:06 eating and drinking, marrying and giving in
56:08 marriage just like today those same things
56:11 were happening in our world.
56:12 God help us not to willfully ignore
56:15 like they did, help us to respond to your
56:18 spirit that is saying I don't want you to perish
56:21 please come to me and let us give ourselves
56:23 to you again once more tonight
56:25 I pray in Jesus name. Amen.a