Books of the Book: John

Gone Fishing

Three Angels Broadcasting Network

Program transcript

Participants: Deyvy Rodriguez & Jon Paulien


Series Code: JBOTB

Program Code: JBOTB00027B

00:01 And welcome back.
00:02 We are studying the last chapter of the Gospel of John
00:05 and with us is Dr. Jon Paulien
00:07 to help us with this Bible study.
00:09 So Dr. Paulien, now they catch a 153 fish
00:14 and so what is Jesus doing next?
00:17 What does He tell them after they catch all these fish?
00:22 He says, "Bring them over here."
00:25 He adds them to the breakfast.
00:28 Jesus evidently had been fishing too
00:30 and I guess you could tell me if I want to be more like Jesus,
00:32 I should maybe get into fishing also.
00:35 Its clearly, He was able and willing to do that. Yeah.
00:39 But anyway, Jesus fixes breakfast over a fire
00:43 that He had gone by the beach
00:45 and that was a privilege to visit
00:47 what's likely had been on that spot a couple of times.
00:51 And it seems to being kind of a quiet breakfast.
00:55 Let's read verses 12-13.
00:57 "Jesus said to them, "Come and eat breakfast."
01:01 Yet none of the disciples dared ask Him,
01:04 "Who are You?" knowing that it was the Lord.
01:07 Jesus then came and took the bread
01:09 and gave it to them, and likewise the fish."
01:12 So it seems to be kind of a quiet breakfast
01:15 you know, they are kind of like, okay, what's going on here.
01:18 I don't know quite how to relate to it.
01:20 So they know it's the Lord
01:21 but they just don't want to ask to Him.
01:23 They don't really know how to relate to Him now.
01:25 Something is different and they capture that.
01:28 Interestingly, the language here in the original
01:32 is the language of the Lord's Supper.
01:34 He came, He took the bread, He distributed to them,
01:38 you know, did the same with the fish.
01:40 So it's kind of a bread and fish communion almost
01:43 and it's part of John's practice of putting the Lord's Supper
01:49 in other places then in Chapter 13
01:52 where you would expect it.
01:53 And the Lord Supper appears at a wedding,
01:56 at a picnic lunch and a picnic breakfast.
02:00 So it's reminding us to keep Jesus in mind
02:05 in the everyday things of life.
02:08 Moving on, verses 14 and 15.
02:11 "This is now the third time Jesus showed Himself
02:14 to His disciples after He was raised from the dead.
02:17 So when they had eaten breakfast,
02:19 Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of Jonah,
02:22 do you love Me more than these?"
02:25 He said to Him,--" Hang on there.
02:26 Okay. Yeah.
02:28 There's something you are not going to see in English here.
02:31 But the word, "Do you love Me more than these?"
02:35 In the Greek it's one of those rare places
02:38 where the masculine and the neuter are the same.
02:42 So you can't tell just by looking at these
02:46 whether it's masculine or neuter.
02:48 Now why does that matter?
02:51 If its masculine, Jesus is saying to Peter,
02:55 "Do you love Me more than the other disciples?"
02:58 And that's believable,
03:01 because Jesus does seem to have the disease--
03:04 I mean, Peter seems to have disease of comparison.
03:07 He likes to compare himself with the Lord,
03:09 you know, I will follow You even though
03:11 everybody else leaves you behind.
03:12 I love You more than anybody else.
03:15 You know, well what about him, following us on the beach?
03:17 What's going to happen with him?
03:18 So he is constantly comparing.
03:20 So it could be Jesus is saying to him, you know
03:24 "Do you really love Me more than these disciples?"
03:26 As if to invite him to say, "Well, Lord, you know,
03:30 I was little over the top there."
03:32 In which case, the silence of Peter
03:34 to that question would be a confession.
03:38 You know, yeah. Okay.
03:40 But the neuter would be interesting.
03:42 "Do you love Me more than these?"
03:44 And that would be the boats, the nets, maybe even the fish.
03:50 In other words, are you committed to the mission, Peter?
03:53 You know, are you going to go back to business as usual
03:56 or you going to make me
03:58 and the mission here the center of your life?
04:00 So it isn't clear from the Greek itself
04:04 whether He is referring to the disciples,
04:07 "Do you love Me more than these
04:09 or do you love me more than the fishing tackle
04:12 and all of the rest of what's going on here?"
04:14 So it's interesting how in the English language
04:18 where we don't even think about such things,
04:21 people have just assumed,
04:23 "Do you love Me more than the other disciples?"
04:25 and that maybe what He is saying. Yeah.
04:26 But it isn't the 100% clear in the original. Right.
04:30 And whatever the Greek word would apply to
04:32 it seems that the question,
04:34 "Do you love Me more than these?"
04:36 I think even for us if you were to answer that,
04:38 there should be nothing that we love more than Jesus.
04:43 Whatever it is or whoever it is.
04:45 So then, can I keep reading verses?
04:48 Why don't you read 15-17.
04:50 "He said to Him, 'Yes, Lord, You know that I love You.'
04:54 He said to him, 'Feed My lambs.
04:57 He said to him again a second time,
05:00 'Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?'
05:02 He said to Him, 'Yes, Lord, You know that I love You.'
05:06 He said to him, 'Tend My sheep.'
05:08 He said to him the third time,
05:10 'Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?'
05:13 Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time,
05:16 'Do you love Me?'
05:18 And he said to Him, 'Lord, You know all things,
05:21 You know that I love You.'
05:22 Jesus said to him, 'Feed My sheep.'"
05:26 Now the word love takes on many roles
05:30 in the English language, you know.
05:32 I love my wife,
05:35 I love Jesus, I love pizza,
05:41 I love France, you know.
05:44 You can say love about many different things.
05:48 In the Greek language there are different words for love.
05:52 There are actually four
05:53 different kinds of love in the Greek.
05:57 One of these is self-sacrificing love.
05:59 What we've learned to know as agape.
06:02 A second is phileo, it isn't Philadelphia.
06:05 It means the love of a brother,
06:08 the love of family type of love, friendship and family.
06:12 Then there's eros
06:14 and that is erotic love, sexual love
06:18 and then there's storge which is affection that
06:21 you know, would be appropriate to animals or acquaintances
06:25 and things like that.
06:26 So the New Testament doesn't use all of these words
06:29 but two of them are in this passage
06:32 and you can't tell from the English
06:35 which one is being used.
06:37 But scholars have noted that Jesus starts out saying,
06:41 "Peter, do you agape Me?"
06:44 and Peter response, "Yes, Lord, I phileo You."
06:47 In other words, do you love me with self-sacrificing love?
06:51 And Peter says, "Of course Lord,
06:53 I love you like a friend."
06:55 And then Jesus asked again, "Do you agape Me?"
06:58 And Peter says, "Yeah, I phileo You."
07:01 And then the third time Jesus says,
07:04 "Do you phileo Me?" And Peter agreed.
07:07 It's almost as if Jesus is offering him some slack
07:11 that Peter can't quite make it up
07:13 to the standard of cruciform self-sacrificial love.
07:18 But more recently scholars have looked
07:21 more carefully at this
07:22 and they have determined that in the Gospel of John
07:26 these two words are used interchangeably.
07:29 For John, they don't seem to mean different things
07:32 but he can use each of them
07:34 for what the other might signify.
07:37 So probably we shouldn't make
07:39 too much of the changes of word.
07:41 Even through I think a lot of people have heard about that
07:43 because it's been used by many preachers
07:46 through the years of saying.
07:47 Ah, you know, poor Peter
07:49 couldn't quite come up to the standard
07:50 but you and I, we can agape Jesus, you know.
07:53 So probably that's not the point
07:55 but what the point is, is Jesus is cutting really deep.
08:01 I mean, Jesus is not about surface life change.
08:04 When you say, do you love me?
08:07 And the person response... Really, do you love me?
08:13 Listen, I got to ask you one more time, "Do you love me?"
08:17 I mean Peter is kind of like,
08:19 come on, you know, what else can I say, what else--
08:22 I know I messed up but Lord please, you know.
08:25 And Jesus is just boring deep down into his heart
08:29 and into his soul.
08:31 And he is not satisfied with shallow,
08:35 surface type of following.
08:38 And instead, He invites Peter to go truly,
08:40 truly deep to deal with the sin in his life
08:43 and to truly commit to Him.
08:46 So that third time the Jesus asks Peter,
08:50 "Peter, do you phileo me?"
08:51 What did Peter, how did Peter responded the third time?
08:54 "Yes, Lord, I phileo You again."
08:56 Yes, he was-- So, he never changes.
08:58 So, he never changes, yeah.
09:00 Is that significant or is it not, that's the debate.
09:03 Probably, it isn't.
09:05 Why don't we go on to verse 20-21,
09:07 where Peter betrays the disease of comparison again?
09:11 "Then Peter, turning around,
09:13 saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following,
09:15 who also had leaned on His breast at the supper,
09:18 and said, 'Lord, who is the one who betrays You?'
09:22 Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus,
09:24 'But Lord, what about this man?'"
09:27 So Peter here is still, you know, comparing
09:31 but I think what Jesus is saying here is look,
09:34 you know, Peter would like to be the head of the church,
09:38 you know, the big guy
09:41 and John is also going to play a significant role.
09:44 And Jesus is saying to Peter, "He is not your concern.
09:47 He is not in your jurisdiction."
09:49 So Jesus is pulling back from the idea
09:52 that there's one dictator, head of the church and so on.
09:56 The church is to have multitude of leaders
09:58 and a multitude of counselors, their safety.
10:02 And then in the very next, the rumor in verses 21-23
10:06 it gets into the rumor
10:08 that John would live to see Jesus come
10:11 and he uses that to dispel this rumor
10:14 and then let's go to very last two verses of the gospel.
10:19 "This is the disciple who testifies of these things,
10:22 and wrote these things,
10:24 and we know that his testimony is true.
10:27 And there are also many other things that Jesus did,
10:30 which if they were written one by one,
10:32 I suppose that even the world itself
10:34 could not contain the books that would be written. Amen."
10:40 Well, it's time to go to conclusion
10:41 but before we do, just one little extra thought.
10:45 Disciples catch a lot of fish and those are directed by Jesus
10:50 but they are connected to the disciples.
10:53 If this is a parable of the church
10:55 in the second generation,
10:57 who are the fish that Jesus caught?
11:00 And some have suggested,
11:02 maybe those fish represents some people
11:04 that Jesus takes directly
11:06 that never actually join the church on this earth
11:09 but they still belong to Jesus.
11:11 Maybe Muslims, Hindus,
11:13 who knows that there are others as well who become connected
11:17 to Jesus in other ways than through the church.
11:20 There's something to think about. Yeah.
11:21 But here in the conclusion we see that there's
11:25 abundant number of gospels could be written
11:28 and John has been validated
11:30 as one of the true gospel writers.
11:32 However the gospel that matters the most
11:38 is the one that Jesus will write on your heart.
11:43 Your gospel is the testimony of the words
11:47 that Jesus left behind in these gospels in your life
11:51 and its transforming effect.
11:53 So there's no end to the books
11:57 that could be written about Jesus
11:58 but the key is this,
11:59 our account of the Gospel of John
12:02 is coming to an end.
12:04 The story of Jesus' impact on your life is only beginning.
12:11 You know, Dr. Paulien,
12:12 I think that the Gospel of John is now my favorite gospel.
12:15 Good for you.
12:17 God bless friends till next time.


Revised 2014-12-17