Participants: Deyvy Rodriguez & Jon Paulien
Series Code: JBOTB
Program Code: JBOTB00011A
00:20 Hello, welcome to this program called, "Books of the Book".
00:23 We're so glad that you are taking this time
00:26 to join us in this-- a Bible study.
00:28 We are studying the gospel of John.
00:30 And today we are reading parts of chapter 5.
00:34 So open your Bibles and join us.
00:37 And let me introduce to you Dr. Jon Paulien.
00:40 He is with us, he is the dean of religion
00:42 at Loma Linda University in Loma Linda, California.
00:46 And it's been a pleasure for me to study the Gospel of John.
00:50 He is very talented, very brilliant.
00:52 He's written several books in particular
00:55 three books on the Book of John.
00:59 Dr. Paulien, welcome again. It's always good to be with you.
01:04 Let me ask you a question,
01:05 what is your favorite book of the Bible?
01:09 As I mentioned you've written three books
01:12 on the Gospel of John.
01:13 You've written several books just in general.
01:16 I'm going to assume that the Gospel of John
01:18 is your favorite it seems. Well, I do.
01:21 I am pretty partial to the Book of Romans.
01:24 I think there is some very important things
01:26 that go on there.
01:28 It's a very challenging book
01:29 but as in a great blessing to me.
01:32 Obviously, Book of Revelation has a lot of interest to me.
01:37 I've studied it but, yeah, you're probably right.
01:39 I think John is probably my favorite.
01:41 It's got my favorite text anyway.
01:42 You remember chapter 3 verse 8, though?
01:45 Which says?
01:46 Which basically says, "The wind blows wherever it will
01:50 no one knows where it's coming from or where it's going,
01:53 so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
01:56 You know and that means, you know,
01:57 people who are just a little bit different,
02:01 people who are creative and surprise people and so on.
02:05 That's kind of the thing the Holy Spirit does.
02:06 Who allow the Holy Spirit to lead them in different ways?
02:10 But when you do that then you often get led in a way
02:14 that most people wouldn't think was the right way,
02:16 because the Holy Spirit doesn't go by human paths,
02:20 but leads us on a divine path of creativity.
02:24 Well, today we are picking up in chapter 5.
02:28 What exactly are we going to be talking about today?
02:31 John Chapter 5 and beginning with verse 16
02:35 is probably right up there with the prologue of John,
02:39 one of the most important, densest passages in the book.
02:43 And we're going to spend some time in these verses
02:46 and try to go into a little bit of detail.
02:48 Okay, and what verses are we reading in chapter 5?
02:51 I would start probably with
02:53 the verses 16 through 18 of chapter 5.
02:56 Shall we read them? I think we should, yeah.
03:00 "The man departed, and told the Jews
03:01 that it was Jesus, who had made him well.
03:05 For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus
03:07 and sought to kill him
03:09 because he had done these things on the Sabbath.
03:12 But Jesus answered them,
03:14 "My Father has been working until now,
03:16 and I have been working.
03:19 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill him,
03:21 because he not only broke the Sabbath,
03:24 but also said that God was His Father,
03:26 making himself equal with God."
03:31 Okay, so this is really the first active hostility
03:35 to Jesus in the Gospel of John.
03:37 Up until now, you know,
03:39 the Pharisees have been out there.
03:41 I mean, Nicodemus wasn't hostile really.
03:43 And they challenged him a little bit
03:45 but right here you see serious activists all at hospitality.
03:49 The police have kind of dragged Him in
03:52 and they're questioning Him
03:53 and trying to figure out what to do with Him.
03:55 And Jesus makes kind of a striking statement.
04:00 He says the Father is working until now and I too I'm working.
04:05 In other words, My Father works on the Sabbath,
04:09 so it's appropriate for Me to work on the Sabbath.
04:12 Now the Rabbis actually believed that God works on the Sabbath.
04:17 So Jesus is really saying something that's very compatible
04:20 with what the Rabbis would believe.
04:23 The Rabbis believe that babies are born, people die,
04:29 the sun shines, the rain falls,
04:32 you see, all of that is God's work.
04:34 So its evidence to them that God actually works on the Sabbath.
04:38 So Jesus is saying, hey, God's works on the Sabbath,
04:40 why shouldn't I?
04:43 And they didn't like the analogy
04:47 because of course they didn't understand Jesus to be God.
04:52 So again for the reader this makes sense
04:56 if you're coming from the prologue
04:57 and you know who Jesus is?
04:59 That He was with God from eternity
05:01 that qualitatively He is what God is,
05:04 that He is worthy of worship,
05:06 that He is the Creator of the universe
05:08 and the Ruler of the universe.
05:10 If all of that is true,
05:12 then Jesus has to work on the Sabbath.
05:15 You see, because the universe needs to be sustained,
05:19 the earth needs to be sustained, etcetera.
05:21 So Jesus is defending that,
05:24 hey, the Sabbath is a day to do healing.
05:28 The Sabbath is a day to help people,
05:30 the Sabbath is a day to do the kinds of things
05:33 that God would do on that day.
05:36 The reason that the commandment says,
05:38 don't work on the Sabbath is the kind of work
05:40 we do would be distracting from Sabbath work.
05:44 You see, Sabbath work is focused on God,
05:47 Sabbath work is focused on healing.
05:49 It's doing the things that God would do,
05:52 but when we are busy with the normal activities of everyday,
05:56 that's distracting away from that.
05:58 So God is inviting people to take a day
06:00 in which they do things a little bit differently
06:03 than they would the rest of the week.
06:04 And that's the reason why they wanted to kill Him
06:10 because not only He broke the Sabbath
06:12 but then He also claimed God as His Father.
06:17 Well, you see, that's the thing.
06:18 If He is truly God then He has the right to do
06:22 what God does on the Sabbath.
06:23 If He's not, then He's committing
06:26 blasphemy in claiming so.
06:28 You see, He is doing something only God is allowed to do
06:30 that means He's making Himself God.
06:33 Now these are issues that come back
06:35 again and again in chapter 7,
06:38 they remember this incident about the Sabbath
06:40 in the pool of the Bethesda, and that becomes an issue there.
06:43 In chapter 9, a blind man is healed on the Sabbath.
06:46 So that issue recurs, then in chapter 10,
06:50 the issue of calling Himself God,
06:52 you know, I and the father are One
06:54 that comes up again in chapter 10.
06:56 So right here in these three verses
06:59 it introduces a couple of themes that occur over and over again.
07:04 But the part that we want to look at in this program
07:07 is that Jesus' statement in verse 17
07:10 becomes the foundation of everything
07:12 that is said in verses 19 to 30.
07:15 So let's look at it again,
07:17 in chapter 5: 17, Jesus said to them,
07:22 "My Father is always at work to this very day,
07:26 and I too am working."
07:29 So what's God doing on the Sabbath?
07:32 He's giving life. He is judging.
07:35 You know, people are born people die.
07:37 You know, people think of that in terms of judgment.
07:40 And He is doing the work of salvation,
07:45 you know, saving us.
07:46 And that's exactly what verses 19 to 30 are about.
07:50 In verses 19 to 30, Jesus is elaborating on His statement.
07:55 Here is what I mean, when I say that I work on the Sabbath.
07:59 I give life, I give salvation, I pass judgment as needed.
08:05 These are activities that God needs to be doing everyday.
08:08 But they're particularly according to Jesus
08:11 appropriate on the Sabbath.
08:13 So I think what we should do now
08:15 is get into verses 19 through 30,
08:18 it might be helpful to start for you
08:20 to read that whole section through.
08:22 I would hope that our viewers
08:24 would also have your Bibles in hand
08:26 and that you would read these same passages with us
08:28 and then I want to note a few things
08:32 as we go through there.
08:34 Okay, so chapter 5:19-30,
08:38 you have a bible read along with me.
08:41 Then Jesus answered and said to them,
08:43 "Most assuredly, I say it to you,
08:46 the Son can do nothing of Himself,
08:47 but what He sees the Father do, for whatever He does,
08:51 the Son also does in like manner.
08:53 For the Father loves the Son,
08:55 and shows Him all things that He Himself does
08:58 and He will show Him greater works than these
09:01 that you may marvel.
09:02 For as the Father raises the dead
09:05 and gives life to them
09:07 even so the Son gives life to whom He will.
09:10 For the Father judges no one,
09:12 but has committed all judgment to the Son
09:15 that all should honor the Son
09:16 just as they honor the Father.
09:18 He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father,
09:22 who sent Him.
09:23 Most assuredly I say to you,
09:25 he who hears my word and believes in Him
09:28 who sent Me has everlasting life
09:30 and shall not come into judgment
09:32 but has passed from death into life.
09:34 Most assuredly I say to you, the hour is coming and now is,
09:38 when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God
09:41 and those who hear will live
09:43 for as the Father has life in himself,
09:46 so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself
09:50 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also
09:54 because He is the Son of Man.
09:56 Do not marvel at this for the hour is coming
09:59 in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
10:02 and come forth those who have done good
10:06 to the resurrection of life and those who have done evil
10:09 to the resurrection of condemnation.
10:12 I can of myself doing nothing as I hear I judge
10:16 and my judgment is righteous
10:18 because I did not seek my own will
10:21 but the will of the Father who sent Me."
10:24 Okay, let me say some general things about this text
10:28 and then we'll dig a little bit deeper in the second segment.
10:31 The first and the last verses are kind of in common,
10:34 it shows how Jesus and His Father are,
10:38 you know, in a dependent relationship on each other.
10:40 And Jesus does nothing without His father's permission.
10:44 That He is truly, you know, if you've seen Me,
10:45 you've seen the Father.
10:47 He's representing the Father on this earth.
10:49 So verses 19 through 30,
10:51 this whole passage is united together
10:55 and then very interesting there is a couple of places
10:58 verse 21 it says, "For just as the Father
11:02 raises the dead and gives them life,
11:05 so the Son gives life to whomever He pleases."
11:08 Then verse 26, "For as the Father has life in Himself,
11:12 so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself."
11:15 You see the parallel there?
11:17 And it's open with the same Greek phrase is Hosperger
11:21 which basically means just as the Father does this, so I.
11:25 So verse 21 and verse 26 are parallel,
11:28 they're introducing something similar,
11:31 but here's the interesting thing.
11:34 In verse 25, He says,
11:37 "I tell you the truth, the time is coming and has now come."
11:44 And compare that with verse 28,
11:48 "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming,"
11:52 what's missing? It has come.
11:55 It has come is missing, all right?
11:57 In verse 25, He says,
11:58 "A time is coming and has already come."
12:02 Then in verse 28, "A time is coming."
12:05 You see, one thing you have to understand
12:08 in the Old Testament eschatology end time stuff
12:12 is often introduced by a time is coming,
12:15 or after those days or, you know, at the end and so on.
12:19 There's different ways of phrasing it,
12:21 but a time is coming is an introduction of eschatology.
12:26 You know, it's how the world is going to end,
12:28 what the future is all about, prophecy, if you will.
12:33 But in verse 25 He shifts it just a little bit, He says,
12:36 "A time is coming and already is now."
12:42 Let me show you what is coming.
12:44 Verse 25, "A time is coming and has now come
12:48 when the dead will hear the voice of the son of God
12:52 and those who hear will live."
12:54 Sounds like a resurrection, right?
12:57 But notice verse 28,
12:59 "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming
13:01 when all who are in their graves
13:05 will hear His voice and come out."
13:08 You know, there just no mention of graves.
13:10 In verse 25, but there is here
13:13 and so scholars have come to understand
13:15 that there's two types of death
13:18 and two types of resurrection going on in this passage.
13:23 In verses 21 to 26, He's talking about spiritual death,
13:29 the death that comes through addictions,
13:31 through chasing after sins, or being enslaved to Satan.
13:36 It's being as good as dead. It's a miserable life.
13:40 Okay, that is treated like death,
13:42 it's spiritually dead.
13:44 He can bring life to those who are depressed,
13:47 those who are down spiritually,
13:48 those who are messed up.
13:51 Then in verse 28, an hour is coming
13:53 when that those who are in the graves
13:56 will hear His voice and come out,
13:58 that's physical resurrection.
14:00 So you have two eschatologies here.
14:03 There is a present eschatology.
14:05 Jesus is opening up the possibilities
14:08 that can happen right now.
14:10 And then in verse 28 in honesty end time eschatology
14:14 the resurrection of the physical dead
14:16 when Jesus returns.
14:19 And thus, it's very significant in verse 24,
14:23 He says, "I tell you the truth,"
14:24 this is the part the spiritually dead,
14:27 "whoever hears my words," present tense,
14:30 "and believes him who sent me," present tense,
14:34 "has", present tense,
14:36 "eternal life," present tense,
14:41 eternal life and will not be condemned
14:44 those in the end time judgment.
14:47 "He has", present tense,
14:49 "crossed over from death to life."
14:52 So there's a real resurrection that takes place
14:55 in the Gospel of John in the stories of Jesus.
14:58 This man the pool of Bethesda is an acted parable
15:05 not only of the resurrection at the end,
15:07 but he's particularly an acted parable the resurrection now.
15:11 He was raised from a paralyzed miserable life,
15:15 to a life of physical vigor and relationship with Jesus.
15:19 His whole life has turned around.
15:21 It's as if he was dead and has now come to life again.
15:26 So for John the greatest eschatology of all
15:31 is what happens right now in Jesus.
15:34 He has eternal life now.
15:36 He has passed over from death to life.
15:40 It's a present tense.
15:41 The spiritually dead can come alive in Jesus Christ now.
15:46 That's the special contribution
15:48 of the Gospel of John to eschatology.
15:51 And we're gonna continue
15:53 on this message of eschatology in the Book of John.
15:55 Because we need to compare
15:57 that with all the other types of eschatology
16:00 that come before it in the Bible.
16:02 Right, well, friends, stay with us.
16:04 After this break, we're gonna continue on the Gospel of John.