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00:36 [hopeful music playing] 00:39 ♪♪ 00:42 >> Welcome to It Is Written 00:43 Canada. 00:44 Thank you for joining us. 00:45 Brokenness in one form or 00:47 another inevitably enters 00:49 every life. 00:50 Broken dishes to broken bones. 00:53 >> Broken dreams to broken 00:55 hearts. 00:56 >> And even broken spirits. 00:57 The Bible assures us that our 01:00 Father in Heaven heals the 01:02 broken hearted and binds up 01:04 their wounds. 01:05 >> The Lord desires us to 01:07 come to see ourselves as even 01:09 more beautiful and much stronger 01:12 than we would have been if our 01:14 brokenness and mending had never 01:17 occurred. 01:18 >> Today, our special guests are 01:20 Carolyn and Dacia Rowe, who have 01:22 agreed to share their story with 01:25 us of how their brokenness made 01:27 them beautifully broken. 01:29 >> Carolyn and Dacia and Guava, 01:33 your hearing ear guide dog, 01:35 welcome to It Is Written Canada. 01:38 [CAROLYN & DACIA] Thanks for 01:38 having us. 01:40 [MIKE] Carolyn and Dacia, you 01:40 are twins, which means you're 01:43 very close to one another. 01:44 How similar, how different are 01:46 you from one another? 01:48 >> Well, we're a similar in that 01:50 we have similar taste in 01:52 clothes, in music, books... 01:57 ...games that we like to play. 01:59 Things like that. 02:01 And our differences show up more 02:03 in our personality and how we 02:04 express ourselves. 02:06 >> I will admit it takes me 02:09 longer to make a decision about 02:11 things like if we go shopping, 02:13 like Dacia's a lot faster about 02:15 that than I am. 02:17 But that's about the only flaw 02:19 I'll admit to. 02:22 >> She's also more outgoing. 02:24 Sometimes I tend to be more 02:25 quiet. 02:26 You wouldn't think that because 02:27 I'm saying that right now, but 02:29 that's usually how we come 02:31 across if you were to meet us in 02:33 person. 02:34 Yeah. 02:35 >> So, Carolyn and Dacia, your 02:37 mother was a very prominent 02:39 figure in your lives. 02:41 Can you tell us about your 02:42 mother and also how she shaped 02:45 the spiritual growth 02:46 in your life? 02:48 >> Sure. 02:49 Our mom was a very godly woman 02:52 and it was just very much a 02:55 priority for her, for us to 02:57 learn about God and to develop a 02:59 relationship with God. 03:01 And she was really masterful, 03:05 actually, in how she did it. 03:07 In our home, we had scriptures 03:09 posted all around the house, we 03:11 had the Ten Commandments written 03:13 on a wall. 03:14 And one of the things she did 03:18 was she made each of us books... 03:22 ...and it had scriptures on it 03:24 from A to Z. 03:25 And... 03:28 ...like, for instance, A like... 03:36 That was my A. 03:38 And she made books like that 03:40 with scriptures beginning with 03:42 the letter of the alphabet and 03:43 it was really, really cool. 03:47 >> And for example, my A was 03:49 different. 03:50 It was like, "And behold, I come 03:51 quickly... 03:56 And then Jonathan, our younger 03:59 brother, had a different one. 04:00 I don't remember his because I 04:01 was so busy memorizing my own. 04:03 But yeah, for each letter it was 04:06 just a different verse. 04:07 So for my V it was... 04:12 >> This is very good because 04:14 parents who are watching, they 04:15 can get a good example of, you 04:16 know, something they can do to 04:18 train their children. 04:19 So when you were very young, you 04:20 had-- your mother had a specific 04:22 incident that really affected 04:25 her health but also 04:26 affected you. 04:28 >> Yeah. 04:29 So when we were young, our mom 04:31 got really sick and that 04:34 illness... 04:36 ...changed her because she had a 04:39 bit of a brain injury and so she 04:42 had to relearn everything 04:43 in her life. 04:44 But she never forgot God 04:46 throughout her illness. 04:47 And when she was recovering, 04:51 she would pray. 04:53 She just was so thankful for 04:55 God's presence in her life. 04:57 And even though she didn't 04:59 return to her former way of 05:02 being, she referred to herself 05:04 as a miracle lady. 05:05 She was just grateful to God for 05:06 who she was and it was a great 05:09 model for us to see. 05:11 And so we had her for about ten 05:13 years after she became ill and 05:17 then we lost her. 05:19 She passed away. 05:20 And so that was when we really 05:26 discovered that our faith, the 05:29 faith that she had instilled in 05:31 us was real because it sent us 05:33 into survival mode, you know, 05:34 and when we had people telling 05:39 us that, "Oh, you're going to 05:43 walk away from God and come 05:45 back," that's-- I had a lady 05:47 tell me that. 05:49 And I remember I didn't feel 05:50 that way. 05:52 And so that was when I realized, 05:53 but wait a minute, I have faith 05:55 and my mom's lessons of faith 05:59 and trusting in God were really 06:02 instilled in me and in Car and 06:04 in my brother. 06:05 We all just believed. 06:07 And so that's just became 06:10 who we are. 06:12 >> And it's important, I feel 06:13 the need to say it's important 06:15 to know that my mom definitely 06:17 wasn't perfect, okay? 06:18 She was just like any other 06:21 person out there. 06:23 She had good days and bad days 06:25 and she wasn't perfect by any 06:28 means. 06:29 But I do stress, her 06:31 masterfulness in teaching us 06:33 about God and referring us to 06:35 God because then we weren't 06:40 dependent on her for everything 06:42 in a way that doesn't cause you 06:46 to lean on God. 06:47 Which is why when she did pass, 06:50 we were able to lean on God 06:52 because she had taught us 06:54 to do that. 06:55 She taught us to refer to the 06:56 Bible, she taught us to remember 06:59 the promises in the Bible, those 07:01 are true, God is true, believe 07:04 Him and live your life that way. 07:06 So when she passed, it was 07:08 natural to continue that 07:09 progression. 07:10 >> So when this happened to her, 07:11 you're about eight or nine years 07:13 old and you saw her in bed. 07:15 She didn't even know 07:16 who you were. 07:17 >> At one point in her illness, 07:19 she did. 07:20 When Dacia says she forgot 07:22 everything, she forgot 07:23 everything but God, literally. 07:26 We-- I remember standing at the 07:28 foot of her bed and she didn't 07:29 know who we were. 07:30 She was kicking, she was in 07:31 distress saying, "Get out of 07:32 here, I don't know who you are." 07:34 And the nurses were very kind to 07:36 us and just letting us know that 07:38 our mom was sick so we weren't 07:40 mentally too scarred by that. 07:43 But she had a really tough road 07:47 of recovery and we were witness 07:49 to that. 07:50 But her faith and strength in 07:53 God was what got her 07:54 through that. 07:56 >> Dacia, you had a number of 07:57 adversities over the years, 07:59 setbacks in your health. 08:01 Can you walk us through the 08:02 details of what happened? 08:05 >> Well, about 20 years ago, I 08:08 noticed that I was having 08:10 hearing loss. 08:11 I was holding my niece and the 08:12 phone rang and normally when you 08:14 hold a baby, you can pick up the 08:15 phone and this is how I would 08:17 answer. 08:18 But I answered and then I 08:21 switched. 08:22 And so I was holding baby like 08:23 this and talking this way. 08:26 And my sister said, "What are 08:28 you doing?" 08:29 And I said, "Well, I can't hear 08:32 properly out of this ear." 08:33 And so as a result of that 08:36 incident of-- 08:37 went to the doctor and 08:39 he referred me to a specialist 08:41 and when I went to the 08:42 specialist, they said, "Oh, it's 08:44 just a simple procedure. 08:45 You've got something, tissue 08:47 that needs to be removed. 08:48 So I had the procedure done, and 08:52 as it turns out, I didn't heal 08:55 the way that he expected 08:57 me to heal. 08:59 And so that resulted in another 09:02 surgery. 09:04 And I still kept getting 09:07 these ear infections and was not 09:11 healing the way he 09:12 expected it to. 09:13 And so that progressed 09:15 like that. 09:16 I had another procedure done... 09:19 ...still didn't work. 09:20 Ended up trying hearing aids to 09:23 help me because I needed to be 09:26 able to hear in order to work. 09:28 I worked as a psychiatric nurse 09:30 and so I was having difficulty 09:33 at work. 09:34 And so the hearing aids helped 09:36 for a time, but then they didn't 09:38 become useful either because of 09:42 the inflammation in my ears. 09:45 And so I ended up-- he ended up 09:49 sending me to Toronto for a 09:51 second opinion. 09:52 They couldn't help me. 09:53 I ended up going to the States 09:54 to the Mayo Clinic and they 09:56 were-- did a whole battery of 10:00 tests and they weren't able to 10:01 help me because, or pinpoint 10:03 exactly what the cause of this 10:05 issue was. 10:06 So I'm still undiagnosed today 10:09 and throughout that journey, 10:13 like, I thought at one point, I, 10:16 no, I didn't think, I know. 10:19 God, I read Scripture, I was 10:20 reading Scripture one day 10:22 because that's what I do, you 10:24 know, we read and we pray, and I 10:26 felt distinctly that God was 10:29 saying, "I was gonna heal-- 10:31 I will heal your wounds." 10:32 There was a verse in Jeremiah, 10:33 30, verse 17, I think, and it 10:35 says, "I will heal you and I 10:36 will heal your wounds." 10:37 And so I took that as, "Okay, 10:39 I'm gonna be healed." 10:41 And so that was probably about 10:43 ten years ago now and... 10:46 ...actually probably 13 years ag 10:49 now, and still I'm here. 10:52 [laughs] 10:53 If anything, things are getting 10:55 worse instead of getting better. 10:58 And so that's been very 11:01 disheartening, but at the same 11:03 time in talking to God, I've 11:07 come to the realization that 11:10 healing is something that we 11:13 expect takes place right here on 11:16 this earth and that's what we 11:18 count as healing. 11:19 And God, I remember feeling a 11:23 distinct impression from Him 11:24 that, "Hey, you know, when 11:26 you're come to heaven, 11:28 you will be healed." 11:29 And that counts. 11:31 And I was like, "Yeah, you know 11:33 what, that does count." 11:34 And so I've-- since having that 11:39 realization, it's really helped 11:41 me relax and not be as upset as 11:47 I was about my journey and 11:52 the apparent lack of answer 11:53 to prayer. 11:55 So for me, I just appreciate God 12:00 more, it just helps me to 12:01 appreciate Him more and 12:03 appreciate the process more. 12:06 So I get to see God at work in 12:08 my life, even though things 12:10 aren't turning out the way I 12:11 thought that they would. 12:14 So instead of looking for, 12:17 you know... 12:20 ...a return to work or things 12:23 that I would consider being 12:25 healed, I don't do that anymore. 12:29 I just, I take it day by day and 12:32 I just say, "Okay, Lord, You 12:34 must have a reason for why this 12:36 is happening. 12:37 And instead of trying to 12:38 understand that [laughs] 12:41 because it's not coming, 12:42 I just accept it. 12:44 I'm trying to be in a spirit of 12:45 acceptance. 12:46 And so, yeah, that's kind of 12:48 where and that right now. 12:51 >> And Carolyn, how did you deal 12:54 with Dacia's adversities? 12:58 >> You know, it's really hard to 13:00 watch a loved one 13:03 suffer like that. 13:07 I went with Dacia to all of her 13:10 appointments, so all of them 13:13 except one. 13:14 I missed one appointment that I 13:17 didn't go with her on and that 13:18 was the time she actually 13:20 suffered some facial paralysis 13:22 and it was after that 13:23 appointment that I missed. 13:24 And I, you know, you kind of 13:26 wonder, is it because I wasn't 13:27 there? 13:28 Like, we wonder these things, 13:31 but we're not that powerful, 13:34 but we can't help it. 13:36 Sometimes we just think 13:37 that way. 13:38 But I need to say I have great 13:41 admiration for Dacia's attitude 13:44 through this whole illness and 13:46 it reminds me pretty much of 13:49 what my mom went through in the 13:51 sense that, yes, good days, 13:54 bad days. 13:55 She struggled if things didn 13:58 㴼rk out the way 13:59 she thought. 14:00 But faith in God was always 14:03 there and always a goal, like, 14:08 it was just not to lose our 14:09 faith in God. 14:10 And I see that in Dacia that, 14:13 you know, she's determined to 14:14 believe in God no matter what. 14:17 And I have to tell you, I have 14:18 seen miracles in Dacia's life 14:21 even as she's progressed through 14:24 this illness. 14:26 A couple years ago around 14:27 Christmas time, we she went to 14:30 see the specialist and they said 14:32 her lungs were not functioning 14:34 properly. 14:35 They were functioning at 14:36 about 21%. 14:38 And we're like, "What? 14:41 You mean her--" I asked, "You 14:43 mean they're functioning at, you 14:45 mean 80% not working? 14:47 Like..." 14:49 She's like, "Yes." 14:50 And I'm like, "Well, what are we 14:53 gonna do about this?" 14:54 And she decided, "Okay, we're 14:57 gonna, there's a couple options 15:00 that we can pursue. 15:01 Just come back in a few weeks 15:04 and we'll do some testing, 15:06 further testing and blah blah." 15:08 Anyway, we went back a few weeks 15:10 later, but in the meantime we 15:12 just went home and we just 15:13 prayed. 15:14 We prayed to God. 15:16 We're like, "You know what? 15:16 You are the giver of life, 15:18 You are the breath-giver 15:21 so give Dacia breath 15:23 in her lungs." 15:24 And we just prayed. 15:26 We didn't tell our family, it 15:27 was around Christmas and we 15:28 didn't want to bring anybody 15:29 down. 15:30 There-- when you go through a 15:32 long illness like that, it's 15:35 like you get tired of sharing 15:37 bad news or no news. 15:39 So we decided to just keep that 15:41 between us and we just prayed 15:42 about it. 15:43 And when we went back to the 15:44 doctor and she was retested, 15:47 they did more comprehensive 15:48 testing and then it found out 15:50 her levels had increased to 15:52 normal. 15:53 And the doctor, she was very 15:56 proud of herself and she's like, 15:57 "What did I do? 15:58 What did I do for you? 16:01 Did I give you some medication? 16:02 What did I prescribe?" 16:03 And I just looked at the doctor 16:06 and I said, "You didn't do 16:07 anything. 16:09 We prayed and God gets credit 16:12 for this one. 16:14 It's not you." 16:15 And... 16:16 >> "Oh, okay." 16:17 >> "Oh!" [chuckles] 16:19 So I just really was so proud of 16:24 God in that moment that He did 16:27 that for us and gave us that 16:29 faith builder and gave us the 16:30 story to share. 16:32 And even the doctor just smiled 16:34 and just didn't say anything, 16:35 but-- because she, it's clear 16:37 you didn't prescribe anything, 16:39 like, there's no record of that. 16:41 And it was just wonderful seeing 16:43 that miracle happen. 16:46 >> A big question that I have 16:47 about the two of you is why are 16:49 you so happy? 16:50 Because everyone who meets you, 16:52 I am so inspired by you, but 16:54 people look at you and are 16:56 inspired within your church 16:57 family, within your family. 16:59 Do you have a secret? 17:01 Do you have some kind of formula 17:03 for how you have gone through 17:06 such adversity, such 17:08 difficulties, a lot of lows, 17:10 highs and lows, but 17:11 a lot of lows. 17:12 How are you able to do that? 17:15 >> I guess one thing I can say 17:17 is I guess my frame of reference 17:19 is that whatever we're going 17:22 through is temporary. 17:24 Whatever it is that you're going 17:26 through is actually temporary. 17:29 And when I think of that, it 17:32 also brings to mind a quote that 17:35 also keeps me going, is that-- 17:39 and I read this in a commentary, 17:42 that we wouldn't choose to be 17:43 led another way. 17:45 So when I think of that, when 17:49 I'm feeling bad and I think of 17:51 that quote, so you mean if I 17:53 knew the end, like, if I knew 17:57 exactly how things were gonna 17:58 work out in the future and I 17:59 would look back on this moment 18:01 and I would choose this... 18:03 ...it's... 18:05 ... a way of, that way of 18:06 thinking, like, it just 18:08 immediately calms me in the 18:09 moment because it's temporary. 18:14 And so that really does keep me 18:17 going that that is temporary. 18:20 And the thing is, God, He does 18:23 things in such a way that even 18:24 when you're in a horrible 18:26 situation... 18:29 ...good can come out of it. 18:32 No horrible situation feels 18:34 good, but good can come 18:36 out of it. 18:37 Like, we're meant to grow from 18:38 our trials and I'm very happy 18:41 about my life and every trial 18:42 that I faced, I didn't enjoy any 18:45 of them, but I enjoy who I am as 18:49 a result of them. 18:51 So I-- that's my prayer for 18:53 people. 18:55 >> I think it's important to 18:57 also note that when we're having 19:01 hardships, I know for me when I, 19:04 over the years I've had moments 19:05 of depression and anxiety where 19:08 you're wondering, like, what's 19:10 going on? 19:11 And in those moments, what 19:15 brings me comfort is, one, that 19:17 I'm allowed to have that moment. 19:19 Because when we read in the 19:21 Psalms, I-- there is one verse 19:23 in Psalm 73, I believe it is, 19:25 verse 21, where he says, "I am 19:28 bitter and I'm just torn up 19:29 inside." 19:31 And I just love that because you 19:34 read further down in that same 19:35 Psalm and he says... 19:39 So, you know, I think it's 19:41 important to allow ourselves to 19:42 feel what we're feeling in the 19:44 moment and not judge it and then 19:48 move on. 19:50 So for me, I allow myself to 19:53 have that moment, but I don't 19:55 allow myself to stay there. 19:57 So for me, it's important that I 19:58 don't spiral down into 20:00 depression or spiral down 20:02 into doubt. 20:04 So when, like, God says I will 20:07 be healed, I believe that. 20:09 Whether it's here or whether 20:11 it's in the kingdom, I still 20:12 believe. 20:13 And so I don't allow myself to 20:16 doubt His Word. 20:17 It's a pleasure for me to do 20:19 that for God after all He's done 20:22 for me. 20:23 So that's just how I 20:25 consider it. 20:26 So a formula per se, Mike, I 20:30 wish I had a formula, [laughs] 20:33 but the only thing that I can 20:35 think of is that I read my 20:36 Bible... 20:37 ...I believe what God says 20:39 about Himself, and I don't-- 20:42 I pray, I tell Him everything, 20:45 what pleases me, I tell Him what 20:47 annoys me. 20:48 I don't hold anything back, you 20:51 know, so you get it all out and 20:54 I just allow His spirit, like, 20:58 to soothe my soul. 21:00 And so that and memorizing 21:04 scripture of my mom, like, had 21:05 started that habit from us, from 21:07 when we were young so, you know, 21:09 who am I in heaven but you, 21:11 like, you're the strength 21:13 of my life. 21:14 Like, it's Him that gives me 21:17 the strength to go forward. 21:19 And so that's basically the 21:21 formula, if there is one, 21:24 is to just trust God and not 21:27 allow anything to impact, you 21:31 know, me where I'm 21:32 feeding doubt. 21:33 I don't allow anything, like, if 21:35 anything, whether it's the music 21:37 I'm listening to, what I'm 21:39 watching, if anything is gonna 21:41 discourage me or put doubt in my 21:45 heart or in my mind against God, 21:47 I don't entertain it. 21:49 I just do not entertain anything 21:51 because, you know, the enemy, 21:54 that's what he wants, is for us 21:55 to be distracted and for us to 21:57 spiral down into doubt and once 21:59 we do that, then we're headed on 22:03 a slippery slope that-- and I 22:05 could slide off. 22:07 I'm not arrogant enough to think 22:08 that I couldn't, you know? 22:10 I could doubt God. 22:12 It's a choice to believe God. 22:14 And so I think that we need to 22:16 make a choice and when you make 22:19 that choice, you stick to it. 22:20 It's just like a married couple, 22:21 right? 22:22 If they-- if divorce is an 22:24 option, likely, statistically 22:25 speaking, they might get 22:27 divorced because it's an option, 22:29 right? 22:30 So for me, feeding doubt or 22:33 doubting God is not an option 22:34 for me. 22:35 And anything that causes me to 22:37 want to head down that way, 22:39 whether it's my friends, whether 22:40 it's this, I just, like, I just 22:41 cut that conversation. 22:43 "Why you, Dacia?" 22:44 "Why not me, friend?" 22:46 You know? 22:47 And that's how I am, so... 22:50 >> I think I can add 22:51 to that, too. 22:52 One thing we do take a healthy 22:55 dose of every day is laughter. 22:58 [DACIA] Yeah. 22:59 >> We laugh all the time. 23:02 If there's nothing to laugh at, 23:03 we'll laugh at nothing. 23:05 We just, that's-- laughter is 23:07 good medicine, the Bible tells 23:09 us and we do it all the time. 23:13 At times inappropriately, where 23:16 it seems inappropriate. 23:17 But laughter has gotten us 23:21 through life, and I recommend 23:24 that to anybody. 23:25 Laugh. 23:26 Just do it. 23:27 Laugh. 23:28 >> Carolyn and Dacia, thank you 23:30 so much for sharing. 23:32 That was so encouraging. 23:34 Unfortunately, we've come to the 23:36 end of our program together, but 23:38 before we go, I wonder if you 23:40 could pray for our viewers. 23:43 Perhaps there is someone 23:44 watching who is feeling like 23:47 they are struggling and God is 23:49 not answering their prayers or 23:51 is not performing a miracle in 23:53 their lives, or they're just 23:55 feeling empty and lonely. 23:57 I wonder if you could please 23:58 pray for them. 24:00 >> I'd be happy to. 24:01 Father in heaven, I just want to 24:02 thank You so much for being such 24:05 a good God. 24:06 And I just wanna pray for those 24:10 who are watching this program 24:12 who may be feeling like it is 24:14 not worth their time to talk to 24:17 You, or they might be feeling 24:20 distressed about the 24:21 circumstances of their 24:23 life and... 24:25 Lord, I pray that You will send 24:27 Your Holy Spirit into their 24:29 lives, help them to see You 24:31 somehow. 24:33 I pray that You will help them 24:35 to just decrease that sense of 24:39 despair, helplessness, 24:41 hopelessness that they may be 24:42 feeling and help them to see 24:44 that their situation, no matter 24:46 what it is, is temporary. 24:48 [DACIA] And Father, I just pray 24:49 that You would help the viewers 24:53 to see Your hand in their life 24:55 and to recognize Your blessings 24:57 for them, even if 24:59 the answer is no. 25:00 You've told me no, or it seems 25:02 that way for right now, but 25:04 You've blessed me with Guava and 25:07 You've blessed me with good 25:10 friends and family, and with 25:12 a support network. 25:13 So help us, help us all to 25:15 recognize Your blessings that 25:18 You have for us. 25:19 And so for each viewer out there 25:21 that's listening and seeing this 25:23 program, You have blessings for 25:24 them and I pray that You'll open 25:26 their heart and their mind to 25:28 the treasures that You have for 25:30 them and may we just appreciate 25:32 You more. 25:32 In Jesus' name, amen. 25:35 [MIKE & RENÉ] Amen. 25:36 >> Carolyn and Dacia, thank you 25:37 so very much for sharing your 25:40 lives with us on It Is Written 25:42 Canada. 25:43 [CAROLYN & DACIA] You're 25:44 welcome. 25:45 >> In the darkest days when 25:47 appearances seem most 25:48 forbidding, have 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