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00:42 >> Hello and thank you for 00:43 joining us on It Is Written 00:44 Canada. 00:46 Today we are visiting 00:47 Professor Pekka Määtänen who 00:49 is an assistant professor of 00:51 biology at Burman University 00:52 in Lacombe, Alberta. 00:55 And as a professor of biology, 00:57 his hope is to ignite within 00:58 his students a love for 01:01 science that can propel them 01:03 to push the boundaries of 01:04 discovery and develop 01:06 innovative ways to promote 01:08 health and healing. 01:10 >> Professor Määtänen has 01:12 presented his scientific work 01:14 at international and national 01:16 science conferences. 01:18 Professor Määtänen, welcome to 01:20 It Is Written Canada. 01:22 >> Thanks so much for having 01:23 me, it's a pleasure to be here 01:24 with you. 01:25 >> So, Professor Määtänen, I 01:27 know that you love science and 01:28 you also love nature and 01:30 studying living things and how 01:31 they reveal God. 01:34 But before we go there, tell 01:35 us a bit about yourself, about 01:37 your children, about your wife 01:39 and also go back a little bit 01:41 and tell us about your name 01:42 and what that means. 01:45 >> Well, I'll start with my 01:46 name. 01:47 So my name's actually 01:49 Velipekka which is "brother 01:50 Pekka" and probably because 01:52 I'm the brother to my older 01:54 siblings and "Pekka" is just 01:56 another version, a Finnish 01:58 version of "Peter." 01:59 So my parents are both from 02:01 Finland, they immigrated from 02:03 Finland directly to Canada, 02:04 but I was born in Canada so I 02:06 grew up here, but I did learn 02:07 the language a little bit as a 02:09 child and yeah, I then went on 02:13 after that to get married to 02:16 my lovely wife, Sarah. 02:19 She is the mother of our three 02:21 wonderful children, Isaac, 02:22 Lilia, and Mina. 02:24 Isaac is 8, Lilia is 5, and 02:26 Mina is 2, so they're really 02:27 the joy of my life. 02:29 >> So, Professor Määtänen, I 02:31 understand that you have PhD 02:33 in Biochemistry from McGill 02:34 University. 02:36 What spurred your interest 02:38 in sciences? 02:40 >> Well, that goes back to 02:42 when I was a young kid going 02:44 out camping with my parents a 02:46 lot, we spent a lot of 02:47 weekends out on Georgian Bay 02:50 which is a bay, a large bay 02:52 off of Lake Huron, as you 02:54 might be aware, beautiful 02:56 islands there, we would go 02:57 claim an island for a weekend. 02:59 We would spend time there and 03:00 I could just search that 03:02 island thoroughly, I could 03:04 find frogs and crayfish and so 03:06 I would collect those and look 03:07 at them, try to understand 03:09 them, race them as kids do, a 03:12 lot of things like that. 03:13 And so just looking at those 03:15 animals, just seeing just how 03:17 they move, how they breathe, 03:18 how they-- all the things they 03:20 did, I always wondered how do 03:21 they work inside? 03:22 How do these function at a 03:24 more basic level? 03:25 And so, yeah, later in life I 03:27 really wanted to study that 03:29 deeper and deeper. 03:30 >> So, Pekka, once I had 03:32 someone ask me this question: 03:35 "How come you believe in 03:37 scripture?" 03:38 Because he said to me, "I used 03:40 "to believe in scripture, 03:41 "I used to go to church, 03:42 "but that's faith. 03:43 I now believe in science." 03:45 So what do you say to someone 03:46 like that with a mindset 03:47 like that? 03:48 >> Hmm. 03:49 So yeah, I definitely have run 03:51 into some people like that. 03:52 I think the most important 03:54 thing I look at initially is, 03:55 you know, who are they 03:57 personally? 03:58 What is their life story? 03:59 Where do they come from? 04:01 Where do they-- what are their 04:02 interests? 04:02 Why do they believe what they 04:04 believe? 04:05 You know, the reality is every 04:06 single one of us has our 04:08 preconceptions and our 04:09 understandings of life and the 04:10 way things work and so just to 04:12 get a better understanding of 04:13 their background and get that 04:14 understanding. 04:15 And then from that point, I 04:17 would dig a little bit deeper 04:18 try to see, OK, well, what is 04:20 it about science that you see 04:22 as being so factual as 04:24 compared to something that's 04:25 more faith-based? 04:27 What is the basis of that 04:29 belief? 04:31 And so usually I find when 04:33 people open up that way, you 04:37 know the Bible says in Isaiah, 04:39 "Come let us reason together," 04:41 right, so coming together, 04:42 having that time together, 04:44 learning to know that person 04:45 allows me then to open up a 04:47 little bit more about why I 04:48 have some issues with certain 04:50 areas of science. 04:51 The other thing that I usually 04:53 point out to them is what is 04:55 science, right, I ask the 04:56 question: what is science? 04:58 And science is really about 04:59 being able to observe and 05:00 experiment on things in the 05:02 natural world, to better 05:03 understand them. 05:04 You know, that's a bit of a 05:05 quick definition, but that's 05:07 essentially what it is. 05:08 So if you cannot observe or 05:10 experiment on something, you 05:11 can't then say this is how it 05:14 is or this is a fact, even 05:16 though it may be called 05:17 "scientific." 05:18 So this is where, for example, 05:20 the origin of life is a great 05:22 example because it is an area 05:24 that we cannot observe or 05:26 experiment on because it was 05:28 historical, it happened a long 05:29 time in the past. 05:31 So at this point in time, we 05:33 can only surmise as to what 05:34 happened back then. 05:36 And so I typically will bring 05:37 that person to an understanding 05:39 that yes, even science doesn't 05:40 have the answers for these 05:41 basic things. 05:43 It's important for us to 05:44 recognize as scientist that we 05:46 don't know everything, we're 05:47 faced with uncertainties and 05:50 that's why we're scientists, 05:52 we're learning more, we're 05:53 researching about the world 05:55 around us, so... 05:56 >> So as you've mentioned, 05:58 Professor Määtänen, the 06:00 mainstream thinking in science 06:02 is quite different from the 06:04 Biblical perspective. 06:05 So how did you navigate a 06:08 secular post-secondary 06:10 education? 06:11 >> So, you know, that's a good 06:13 question. 06:15 I think, you know, having 06:17 gone-- as a child, I went 06:19 through Christian grade school, 06:22 Christian high school and then 06:24 I moved on to a secular 06:26 university so it was a very 06:28 big shift and when I entered 06:31 university, I had professors 06:33 who were extremely brilliant 06:36 individuals. 06:37 Like I had one professor who 06:39 was a-- he was a professional 06:41 musician he had gone to the 06:43 Aspen Music Festival, he was 06:44 playing violin there, he had 06:46 also been accepted into 06:47 medical school, he saw the 06:49 mountains and he saw the trees 06:50 on the mountains and that 06:52 there were different colours 06:53 in the trees and thought, 06:54 "Wow, really interesting. 06:56 "Why are the trees lower down 06:57 "different from the ones 06:58 "higher up? 07:00 "Hmm, let me go do a PhD at 07:01 "UBC on, you know, plant growth 07:02 "in relation to the soil 07:05 "chemistry that's going on and 07:07 understand how that works." 07:08 And so then he went on and got 07:10 his PhD, came back, became a 07:12 professor and so this kind of 07:14 a person is just basically 07:15 telling me evolution is fact. 07:17 Right, so very charismatic, 07:19 very well-spoken, and just, 07:21 you know, a person who you 07:22 look at and you're like, "Wow, 07:24 how could he be wrong?" 07:25 Right? 07:26 And so that was my experience 07:28 and I had to really come to 07:31 the point where I need to 07:32 think for myself and better 07:34 understand what is this that 07:36 I'm believing. 07:38 Do I actually still believe in 07:39 God, do I believe in science, 07:41 if you will, going back to the 07:42 first question. 07:43 [MIKE] Mmm, so how did you 07:44 solve that problem? 07:46 >> Well, I don't think I 07:47 solved the problem, you know, 07:48 it was really more of a 07:51 continuous process, but I have 07:54 to say it came to a head when 07:57 I faced some of my own 07:59 personal challenges seeing how 08:02 my-- members of my own family, 08:04 my brother started to drift a 08:06 little bit, seeing how I 08:08 needed to ask God-- 'cause he 08:09 asked a lot of questions, he-- 08:11 and which is good, you know, 08:12 that's what scientist do is 08:13 ask questions. 08:15 So he asked a lot of questions 08:16 He said, "Well, why doesn't 08:17 God just show Himself to me?" 08:18 And as I was having these same 08:19 questions, you know, saying, 08:20 "OK, well, God, why don't You 08:22 "just reveal Yourself to me? 08:23 "I mean, can't You just show 08:24 "Yourself? 08:25 Speak down from heaven." 08:26 You know, as I kept on begging 08:28 God to just show Himself to 08:29 me, He said in a very still 08:30 voice to me, He said, "Why 08:32 "don't you read the letters 08:33 that I've written you?" 08:35 And I said, "Well... 08:36 OK, I suppose." 08:38 And I was pretty grudging, I 08:39 don't think I was particularly 08:41 excited 'cause I thought, 08:42 "Well, I've-- haven't I read 08:44 "the Bible? 08:45 I know this stuff." 08:46 But the reality was I needed 08:49 to know it for myself. 08:51 And so I did make a 08:52 commitment to read my Bible. 08:53 And, you know, it's so 08:55 incredible when you read the 08:56 Bible, as you probably know, 08:58 it either changes you or you 09:01 wanna get rid of it, right? 09:03 There's two different reactions 09:04 and for me I think it was the 09:06 former, it really-- I could 09:08 tell that God was speaking to 09:10 me for each situation each day 09:12 and so I realized, "OK, 09:14 "there's more to You than I 09:16 "originally thought and I need 09:19 to listen." 09:20 So God did speak to me. 09:22 He answered that prayer. 09:23 Maybe not in the way that I 09:25 expected, but, you know, God 09:27 has to be the authority figure 09:28 He can't do it exactly the way 09:30 that you want, right? 09:31 So...yeah. 09:33 >> So, Professor Määtänen, 09:35 did you have any challenges in 09:37 your thinking while you were 09:38 doing your doctorate? 09:40 >> Yeah, so certainly, you 09:43 know, again, at a secular 09:45 university I had-- I was 09:47 surrounded by people who 09:49 pretty much, you know, 09:50 believed the narrative of 09:51 evolution. 09:52 However, there was a lot of 09:55 respect there and I have to 09:56 say that honest scientists, 09:58 generally speaking, they will 10:00 not dig deep into pushing 10:02 different areas that are not 10:04 known scientifically, they are 10:06 more interested in pushing the 10:07 envelope in terms of science, 10:08 you know, can we learn 10:10 greater, deeper truths from 10:12 experimentation and observation 10:13 as we talked about earlier. 10:15 So yeah, I actually felt very 10:17 supported and they knew I 10:19 never showed up to the lab on 10:21 Saturdays 'cause that was when 10:22 I was, you know, at church, I 10:24 would be worshipping God on 10:26 those days. 10:27 I didn't push it into them, 10:29 but they didn't push their 10:30 ideologies into me. 10:32 And I did have one interaction 10:34 that was really incredible 10:35 actually, my supervisor, who 10:37 was the chair of biochemistry 10:38 at the time there, he came to 10:40 me and he said, "Last night I 10:41 "watched the Nova documentary 10:43 "on the origin of life and the 10:46 creation/evolution debate." 10:48 And it's very pro-evolution. 10:49 And he said, "You know, 10:51 "there's an argument though 10:53 "from the intelligent-design 10:56 "view that I don't have an 10:58 "answer for and that's 11:00 irreducible complexity." 11:03 So the idea that things, 11:06 biological organisms, they 11:08 have within them systems that 11:10 require every part to function. 11:12 If one part is missing, 11:14 it doesn't work. 11:15 How do you evolve that? 11:16 This was the question and he 11:18 said, "I don't have an answer 11:19 for that." 11:20 And I thought that was 11:21 incredible how he had that 11:23 intellectual honesty, that 11:24 scientific honesty to say, 11:25 "You know what, I recognize 11:26 "we don't have an answer to 11:28 "this and that's actually a 11:29 good argument in your favour." 11:30 And I thought that was really 11:31 humble of him and I still 11:33 appreciate it to this day that 11:34 he came forward with that, so, 11:36 yeah, I felt very supported. 11:37 >> Very good and very honest, 11:39 right? 11:40 So you talked about the book 11:42 that God speaks to us through, 11:43 the Bible, what about the book 11:44 of nature? 11:45 [PEKKA] Right. 11:47 Yeah, so that is where, you 11:50 know, phase two comes in, I 11:51 guess I would say, in-- 11:54 You know, sometimes we 11:55 look at scripture and we say, 11:56 "Well that's the only thing 11:57 "that God reveals Himself to 11:58 us in," but that's really 12:00 not true. 12:01 We have the life of Christ, we 12:03 have nature. 12:04 And so as I was getting to the 12:07 end of my thesis, it was about 12:09 year four, I was preparing, I 12:13 was writing it, I was doing 12:14 some work on that, I had some 12:16 papers out and stuff and I 12:17 realized, it was 4:00 in the 12:20 morning on a Thursday, I'll 12:21 never forget this, I woke up 12:24 and I was just like, "Wow, I 12:27 "cannot believe this whole 12:28 pathway I've been studying," 12:30 the pathway of protein folding 12:32 quality control, which we can 12:33 get into more detail later, 12:35 but basically, that whole 12:37 pathway is the story of the 12:38 gospel and I just could not 12:40 get over the fact that God had 12:42 revealed Himself in that 12:44 pathway in so many different 12:45 details within it and I just-- 12:47 it had been right in front of 12:48 me and I never saw it. 12:50 So I think a lot of times it's 12:51 perspective again, human 12:52 interpretation, looking at 12:55 nature and if we see God in it 12:59 you know, it's partly the 13:02 lenses we're wearing that 13:03 allow us to do that, it's not 13:05 that it's not there, it's just 13:07 that we're not necessarily 13:08 seeking after that. 13:10 So yeah, it was incredible. 13:11 Really solidified in my mind 13:13 that God is showing Himself in 13:15 nature in a multitude of ways 13:17 and God's design is huge. 13:19 The beauty of the earth, just 13:20 the way that He's created 13:21 everything, it's just grand. 13:23 And so I'm just blessed to 13:25 recognize that God is that 13:26 beautiful designer and He 13:28 wants to make everything clear 13:29 to us, even about His 13:31 character from nature. 13:33 ♪For the beauty of the earth♪ 13:42 ♪For the glory of the skies 13:52 ♪For the love which 13:56 ♪from our birth 14:01 ♪Over and around us lies 14:11 ♪Lord of all, to Thee we raise 14:17 ♪This our grateful 14:20 ♪song of praise 14:25 ♪For the gift of Thy dear son 14:31 ♪For the hope of 14:34 ♪heaven at last 14:37 ♪For the Spirit's victory won 14:41 ♪For the crown 14:44 ♪when life is past 14:47 ♪Lord of all, to Thee we raise 14:53 ♪This our grateful 14:56 ♪song of praise 15:01 ♪This our grateful 15:05 ♪song of praise 15:14 ♪♪ 15:29 >> The earth truly is full of 15:30 beauty and, Professor Määtänen, 15:32 you are involved in scientific 15:35 research. 15:36 Do you have any other examples 15:38 from nature that reveal God? 15:43 >> Well, I'm so glad you asked 15:44 I think the more I teach and 15:46 the more I study, the more 15:47 examples come out. 15:49 So there's a lot, but I wanna 15:51 share a few of them here 15:52 quickly with you. 15:54 So why don't we look in our 15:56 Bibles, actually. 15:59 If we look in Luke chapter 6 16:02 and verse 45, it says... 16:19 Now, we see that as a 16:22 character trait, right, that 16:23 our heart is our, our mind is 16:25 our character. 16:26 But interestingly, in 16:28 developmental biology, there 16:31 are two heart fields that the 16:33 heart develops from. 16:35 These are the progenitor cells 16:37 that the heart comes from. 16:38 Those two heart fields, one 16:40 becomes certain parts of the 16:41 heart, the other one becomes 16:43 parts of the heart, but also 16:45 your facial muscles, your 16:47 lungs and parts of the heart 16:51 as well. 16:52 So, quite literally, out of 16:55 the heart the mouth speaks. 16:56 It's quite incredible. 16:58 Even in the developmental 16:59 biology textbook it says, "In 17:00 a remarkable way," that's how 17:02 they phrase it, "this is what 17:04 happens." 17:05 So it's just another example 17:07 of how God has written into 17:08 nature the way that He's 17:10 created us. 17:13 The other thing that I wanna 17:14 share quickly is, you know, 17:17 many of us, I'm sure you and 17:19 others, have thought about 17:21 ministry and how best, 17:25 especially in marriage as well 17:27 people can work together, 17:29 right, so how do we work 17:30 together best? 17:32 And there's a principle that 17:34 actually is illustrated to us 17:36 through muscle development 17:39 that teaches us how ministry 17:41 works best and you might think 17:44 this is odd, but if you 17:47 consider a muscle fibre, a 17:49 muscle fibre is just one cell, 17:51 but a muscle fibre has many, 17:53 many nuclei within it, so 17:55 many, many nuclei within that 17:56 one cell. 17:57 How did that come to be? 17:59 How come there are so many 18:00 nuclei within one cell and how 18:02 can they all work together? 18:04 Well, for many years they 18:06 didn't know for sure whether a 18:07 large cell would form and then 18:09 more nuclei would form within 18:11 it or whether individual cells 18:12 would come together with their 18:15 nuclei and then fuse to form 18:16 that one long fibre. 18:18 But after working on this, 18:20 they found that indeed the 18:22 individual forms first so the 18:24 identity of the individual, 18:25 the nucleus of that individual 18:27 cell will form first, and 18:28 then, only then when they 18:30 reach a certain density, those 18:32 cells will come together to 18:33 form that muscle fibre. 18:35 This process, I believe, very 18:37 much aligns with the way 18:39 marriage should happen where 18:40 you should have your own 18:42 identity already in Christ, 18:43 you should have your own clear 18:45 who you are and have your 18:46 happiness, right, we know that 18:48 if you're happy before you're 18:49 married, it's better chance 18:50 you're gonna be happier after, 18:52 right, you guys probably have 18:53 even talked about this. 18:55 So that happiness coming 18:56 together needs to happen after 19:00 you've established yourself. 19:02 So the text I wanted to share, 19:04 this is Proverbs chapter 24:27 19:08 says... 19:14 So don't try and go too-- 19:18 go ahead of the game, get 19:19 yourself settled, figure 19:21 things out, know that you're 19:22 gonna be prepared and then go 19:23 forward with either marriage 19:25 or ministry as well. 19:26 So there's a lot of different 19:28 ways our individuality can 19:30 contribute to ministry, but we 19:32 first, we have to recognize 19:33 the power and the importance 19:35 of our individuality, but also 19:36 recognize that we have to not 19:40 come together prematurely, 19:43 put it that way. 19:44 OK, the other example I wanna 19:46 share, so, many of you are 19:49 probably familiar with omega-3 19:52 fatty acids, right, omega-3 19:53 polyunsaturated fatty acids, 19:55 these are probably the most 19:56 taken supplement of all 19:57 actually. 19:58 Now the thing about omega-3's 20:00 is it is not the omega-3 20:03 itself that's the actually the 20:05 active agent so it is 20:08 molecules that are derived 20:09 from omega-3 that are the 20:11 active agents of resolution of 20:13 inflammation. 20:14 And I want to propose to you 20:18 this idea that there's another 20:21 symbol used for the Holy 20:23 Spirit, right, we know what 20:24 that symbol is, oil, right, 20:26 oil and omega-3 is an oil. 20:29 The oil of the Holy Spirit, 20:31 what is the Holy Spirit's role? 20:33 That is found in John 16:8. 20:36 It says, "And when He is come, 20:39 referring to the Holy Spirit, 20:40 the Comforter, "He will 20:42 "reprove the world of sin, of 20:43 "righteousness, and of 20:45 judgment," so there's three 20:46 aspects to the Holy Spirit's 20:48 work. 20:48 Now, interestingly, the oils 20:52 that we take into our bodies, 20:55 they provide the precursor 20:57 molecules or they provide the 20:59 necessary building blocks for 21:01 prostaglandins, these are 21:03 actually helping us to 21:05 identify a problem and inflame 21:08 in that area. 21:09 Inflammation is not necessarily 21:11 bad, right, because if you're 21:12 injured, you need inflammation 21:14 to bring healing so that 21:15 inflammation happens and then 21:18 knowing the sin, right, being 21:21 conscious of where the pain is 21:22 specifically and then having a 21:25 remedy for that, bringing in 21:27 the troops, bringing in the 21:28 macrophages, bringing in the 21:29 neutrophils, bringing in all 21:30 those cells are gonna come in 21:32 and help clean up and help fix 21:33 that, there's a lot of 21:35 involvement of these fats in 21:37 that process and then, 21:38 amazingly, there's resolution 21:41 and resolution comes when 21:42 those omega-3-derived 21:44 pro-resolving lipid mediators, 21:46 they're actually called SPM's, 21:47 pro-resolving lipid mediators, 21:49 they will come in there and 21:50 they will help to clear, 21:51 actively clear the debris, 21:53 clear the infection and bring 21:55 resolution to that inflammation. 21:56 So there's a three-part 21:59 process so the Holy Spirit 22:00 doesn't just convict us of our 22:02 problems, He also empowers us 22:04 to do what's right which is 22:06 beautiful. 22:07 So that's another alignment. 22:09 And the final example I wanted 22:10 to give to you is an area that 22:14 I'm studying more recently now 22:15 and that is the microbiome 22:17 and these are the bacteria, 22:19 but not just the bacteria, any 22:20 organism, any micro-organism 22:22 living in or on you and the 22:24 vast majority of them do live 22:25 in your gastrointestinal tract, 22:27 primarily in your colon, 22:29 however, there are many also 22:30 on your skin, many in other 22:32 places, right? 22:34 Now you may have noticed in 22:36 the news and in the media that 22:37 the microbiome is getting more 22:39 and more press because 22:40 everybody's recognizing this 22:42 is like another organ, it's 22:43 another part of our body. 22:45 The bacteria produce hormones, 22:47 the bacteria produce all kinds 22:48 of different neuropeptides, 22:49 different molecules that 22:51 affect our functioning. 22:53 And so this area has become 22:56 quite hot and now there are a 22:57 lot of therapies that are 22:59 targeting the microbiome, 23:00 trying to figure out how can 23:02 we change those bacteria and 23:04 make them potentially change us. 23:07 Well, this whole idea of the 23:10 microbiome has brought out to 23:13 the research community that 23:15 there are both good and bad 23:16 microbes, right? 23:17 You have the good and the bad 23:18 and there's this battle 23:20 between good and evil, if you 23:21 will, happening inside of you. 23:24 Hmm, does that sound familiar? 23:26 Right? 23:27 So the origin of evil, 23:28 actually, if you look back to 23:29 Ezekiel 28, it started within, 23:31 it was inside, it was not 23:33 something that happened from, 23:35 you know it wasn't an external 23:37 force that came in, it was an 23:38 internal struggle that brought 23:40 this to fruition. 23:42 So one of the challenges that 23:44 we're facing as humanity is we 23:49 have lost the old microbes, 23:50 the good microbes that we used 23:52 to have and they're getting 23:53 eradicated. 23:54 One thing that we can do to 23:58 improve our microbiome is to 24:00 eat foods that promote the 24:02 good bacteria, right? 24:04 And so a person might ask, 24:07 "Well, how do you eat the 24:08 "right foods? 24:09 "What are the right foods? 24:10 What promotes good bacteria?" 24:12 Well, fibre, right, I'm sure 24:13 you've talked about fibre, 24:14 fibre is what those bacteria 24:15 will actually ferment and make 24:17 byproducts that will you, but 24:19 what is the original fibre? 24:21 What's the first fibre that 24:22 gets your body making-- or gets 24:25 your body in tune? 24:27 >> Oh, uh, breast milk? 24:28 [PEKKA] Breast milk, right. 24:30 Well, breast milk contains, 24:32 believe it or not, something 24:33 very much like fibre. 24:36 We call these "human milk 24:37 oligosaccharides." 24:39 Now human milk oligosaccharides, 24:41 they are food, not for us 24:44 because we can't digest them 24:45 directly, they're food for 24:47 these bacteria, the good ones, 24:48 and those bacteria will 24:50 convert that-- those human 24:52 milk sugars into beneficial 24:54 byproducts that our colon can 24:55 use as energy. 24:56 So this process of building 24:59 the good microbiome within us, 25:01 begins actually with milk, 25:03 with mother's milk. 25:04 Well, is there a Bible text 25:06 that talks about milk? 25:08 >> Yeah, I think of feeding on 25:09 the milk of the word. 25:10 [PEKKA] The milk of the word. 25:11 So let's take a look at 25:12 1 Peter chapter 2, verses 2 25:14 and 3 and it says... 25:28 So God wants us to have that 25:30 pure milk and that's gonna 25:32 combat, if you read the first 25:33 verse before that, it's gonna 25:34 combat that bad stuff. 25:37 It's gonna be the good 25:39 promotion of good bacteria 25:41 within us, the promotion of 25:42 good thoughts, the promotion 25:43 of God within us, the Word 25:45 dwelling within us and I think 25:46 that's really what this 25:47 program is about, right? 25:48 >> Exactly and that's what 25:49 Jesus said, right? 25:50 "It is written, 'Man shall not 25:52 live by bread alone,'" which 25:53 we need, "'but by every word 25:54 "'that proceeds out of the 25:55 mouth of God.'" 25:56 And so there is this 25:58 compatibility between science 26:00 and a faith in God and they're 26:04 very compatible. 26:05 So we've come to the end of 26:07 our time together and I 26:08 wonder, Pekka, if you could 26:09 close with a word of prayer 26:10 for us? 26:11 >> I'd be happy to do that. 26:14 Our Father in heaven, Lord, we 26:16 are just so thankful that You 26:17 reveal Yourself to us in ways 26:19 we can understand, through 26:21 Your Word, but also through 26:23 the book of nature. 26:25 Lord, we know that each one of 26:26 us needs You, we need You to 26:29 change our hearts for Your 26:30 Holy Spirit to come into us 26:32 and just show us where the bad 26:34 things are and help us resolve 26:36 those things, for us to be 26:39 continually in Your Word, to 26:41 build up the good side in that 26:43 battle that's within us. 26:44 I just pray that You would 26:46 continue to help us seek You, 26:49 whether in nature or in Your 26:50 Word, help us to know that 26:52 You're there, that You want 26:53 the best for us and that 26:54 You're coming soon. 26:55 We thank You for all these 26:56 things and we pray this in 26:57 Jesus' name, amen. 26:58 [MIKE] Amen, amen. 26:59 >> Professor Määtänen, thank 27:01 you so much for joining us 27:02 today on It Is Written Canada. 27:04 It was such an honour to have 27:05 you with us. 27:07 >> It's been my pleasure. 27:08 Thanks so much for having me. 27:12 >> Friends, as Professor Pekka 27:13 Määtänen shared with us today, 27:15 we see scientific evidence of 27:18 design in nature which means 27:20 that there must be a designer. 27:21 So our free offer for you 27:23 today features a conversation 27:25 between two highly educated 27:27 scientists with divergent 27:30 views on the origins of life, 27:33 entitled Creation? 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