Participants: John Bradshaw (Host), Neil Nedley
Series Code: IIW
Program Code: IIW001358
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00:07 >: It has stood the test of time, 00:11 God's book, the Bible. 00:17 Still relevant in today's complex world. 00:22 It Is Written. 00:24 Sharing hope around the globe. 00:32 ♪ [Music rings out] ♪ 00:36 John Bradshaw: This is It Is Written. 00:38 I'm John Bradshaw. 00:39 Thanks for joining me today. 00:40 My guest today is Dr. Neil Nedley, 00:43 the president of Nedley Health Solutions. 00:45 Dr. Nedley, thanks for joining me today. 00:47 Neil Nedley: Thank you. 00:48 Great to be here. 00:49 JB: We've spoken a number of times on this program. 00:51 It's always a blessing to have you here. 00:53 I'm grateful that you're willing to take heavy topics head on, 00:58 and tell us not maybe what we always want to hear, 01:01 but certainly according to the Bible and good science, 01:04 what we need to hear. 01:05 NN: Yes. 01:06 JB: And today we're going to visit the subject of cancer. 01:10 And here's why. 01:12 Um, our health, our physical health, 01:16 our emotional health, our mental health, is all very 01:20 important in and of itself. 01:23 But also very important as it relates to our spiritual health. 01:28 NN: Um-hum. 01:28 JB: There's that old saying, healthy body, healthy mind. 01:31 Well, truth be told, when it comes to our relationship with 01:33 God, there's a whole lot of truth in that. 01:36 What's our immune system? 01:37 How does it work? 01:39 NN: Our immune system is there to detect foreign invaders that 01:43 are harmful to us. 01:45 Or to detect abnormal cells that, uh, are not really our own 01:51 good cells and to destroy them. 01:55 JB: Now, cancer cells are those abnormal cells. 01:56 Why doesn't our immune system just see them and [snap] 01:59 take them out? 02:00 NN: Well, uh, often because they look pretty similar 02:02 to the original. 02:03 JB: You mean you're saying that the immune system sometimes just 02:06 doesn't recognize cancer cells? 02:07 NN: That's right. 02:08 Exactly. 02:08 And so it will leave it alone thinking that it's actually a 02:12 normal cell. 02:12 JB: Okay. 02:13 Now, are all immune systems created, well, I suppose they're 02:16 created equal, but to you and I, or me and the guy next door, 02:20 do we have essentially the same immune system or is one up 02:22 and one down? 02:23 NN: No, one can be up and one can be down in accordance 02:27 with our lifestyle. 02:28 So, what we're putting into our bodies, what we're doing with 02:30 our bodies, is either enhancing our immune system or actually 02:34 making it less effective. 02:35 JB: Well, we want to have a more effective immune system. 02:38 NN: Correct. 02:39 JB: How can we have that? 02:40 NN: Well, uh, by paying attention to what we're 02:42 putting into our body. 02:43 JB: Okay. 02:44 Food, drink. 02:45 NN: Food, drink, yes. 02:47 And even important vitamins like vitamin D. 02:50 Uh, and A, C and E. 02:53 And, uh, and those sorts of things. 02:55 JB: Share with me what science says makes for a good immune 03:00 system? 03:01 List, list off some of the foods we want. 03:04 NN: The foods high in antioxidants. 03:06 So, your berries in particular. 03:08 Raspberry, blackberries, blueberries. 03:10 JB: That's good. 03:11 NN: Uh, you know, strawberries very good. 03:14 Even red grapes are very good. 03:17 Kiwi, uh. 03:19 JB: Very good. 03:20 NN: Yeah. 03:20 Cherries are actually good antioxidant fruits. 03:25 JB: Isn't it interesting that God made, 03:27 these are the fun foods. 03:29 NN: Yeah. 03:29 JB: You know. 03:30 Who doesn't want to sit down with a, with a plate of 03:32 blueberries or raspberries or strawberries, 03:34 something like that? 03:35 NN: Right. 03:35 And fruit particularly decreases the risk of, uh, of lung cancer. 03:39 One of the most common cancers. 03:40 JB: Fruit in general? 03:41 NN: Yes. 03:42 The more fruit. 03:43 JB: I like that. 03:44 NN: Even, uh, not only among smokers, but also non-smokers, 03:47 the study in southern California on Seventh-Day Adventists showed 03:51 that non-smokers can get lung cancer, but they only get it 03:54 about 20% as likely if they're on a high fruit diet. 03:58 So, it's important. Yeah. 04:02 JB: So, these, the antioxidant foods, whenever we talk about 04:05 foods that are good for your health, it seems as though leafy 04:08 greens are always up there. 04:10 Leafy green vegetables have a positive impact on our immune 04:13 system? 04:14 NN: They do. 04:14 Yup. 04:15 Spinach, kale, great antioxidants, 04:19 garlic, onion, beets. 04:21 JB: All right, not bad. 04:22 NN: Yeah. 04:23 JB: All right. 04:24 I think we can, we can handle that. 04:25 NN: Yeah. 04:25 Good foods. 04:26 JB: Then here's a good thing. 04:27 I want you to notice this. 04:28 When you're talking about looking after your immune 04:30 system, this isn't onerous or hard or awful or awkward. 04:33 You know what it sounds a lot like? 04:36 It sounds a lot like the kind of stuff grandma used to eat. 04:39 And when I say grandma, I mean, my wife's southern 04:43 American grandma. 04:45 Black-eyed peas and crowder peas and beans and you know. 04:49 NN: Yeah, yeah. 04:50 JB: Food I never even heard of growing up on the other side of 04:52 the world, right? 04:54 It's the sort of stuff that grandma and her family, 04:57 her, her brothers, they all lived to be pretty old. 05:00 NN: Right. 05:01 JB: And yet on the other hand, there were some aspects of their 05:04 diet that was a disaster. 05:06 NN: Yeah. 05:07 JB: I wonder if the fact that they ate some things that any 05:11 doctor would say slow down about, I wonder if that was 05:13 offset by the very high amounts of very healthy foods. 05:18 Is there anything to that idea? 05:19 NN: Well, yes, you can offset it some. 05:20 You know, for instance, studies have shown that smokers, 05:25 if they're on a high carotenoid diet will only have one-third 05:29 the risk of developing lung cancer compared to smokers 05:32 who are not on a good diet. 05:34 But, if you take a non-smoker who's not on a good diet, 05:39 his chance of lung cancer is only 1 out of 10 compared to 05:43 the smoker who's on a good diet. 05:45 So, in other words, the cigarette smoking, 05:47 the diet does help. 05:48 JB: Okay. 05:49 NN: And all of that, the immune system does help, but if we 05:52 overload the system with carcinogens, we're going to 05:55 likely pay for that. 05:56 JB: Sure, sure. 05:56 So, you can't say, you know, I'm eating enough carotenoids. 06:01 The carotenoid foods are the yellows and the oranges, right? 06:03 NN: Correct. 06:04 JB: Whatever is yellow and orange, that's good for you. 06:06 NN: That's right. 06:06 JB: Yeah, that's good to know. 06:08 So, we can optimize our immune system by eating well, I'm going 06:11 to guess by, by sleeping well? 06:14 NN: Getting enough sleep, that's right., 06:15 JB: Exercise. 06:16 NN: Exercise. 06:17 Particularly aerobic exercise, becoming fit is going to enhance 06:21 your immune system. 06:22 JB: And you said vitamins A, C, E, and D. 06:25 NN: Yes. 06:26 Vitamin D it turns out is the most crucial, if we were to 06:31 weigh them against each other, vitamin D actually prevents more 06:36 cancers than A, C, and E combined. 06:39 JB: Combined. 06:40 NN: Yeah. 06:40 JB: Okay, we need the D. 06:41 What's, where do I find the vitamin D? 06:44 NN: The sun. 06:45 JB: Okay. 06:46 Now somebody like me with very fair skin, I need to make sure 06:49 I'm getting just enough and not too much. 06:50 NN: That's right. 06:51 You need to make sure you're not getting too much. 06:52 But here is what a lot of people are not aware of. 06:56 The sun prevents far more cancer than it causes. 07:00 JB: Is that so? 07:01 NN: And so, if you are low in vitamin D and you avoid the 07:06 sunburn and thus avoid skin cancers, you're actually going 07:10 to have a much higher rate of other cancers than if you would 07:13 have gotten a little bit of sunburn and gotten the benefits 07:18 of the vitamin D. 07:19 JB: I'm thinking though it's not necessary to get sunburned 07:22 to get enough sun. 07:23 NN: It's not. 07:23 JB: How, how much sun is enough sun? 07:25 Generally. 07:25 And it may vary from person to person. 07:27 NN: Well, it depends on where you're at. 07:29 I know if it's a summer day in the South, it doesn't take much, 07:33 you know, 15 minutes and you're done. 07:35 You've got enough vitamin D and you're not going to burn 07:38 yourself in 15 minutes in most cases. 07:40 JB: Okay. 07:41 NN: Um, so you don't need all that much sun exposure. 07:43 Now, you know, if you're above Sacramento, California 07:46 and all the way over to Boston, Massachusetts in the winter time 07:49 you're not getting any vitamin D. 07:51 So you need to get a lot in the summer to store it over. 07:55 JB: And you can store it up? 07:56 NN: You can store it. 07:57 Yeah, vitamin D is fat soluble, so it's storable in the system. 08:02 Uh, but, or you might need to take vitamin D supplements. 08:06 JB: What about folks who live way north, up in Alaska, you 08:10 know, where the sun barely even pokes its head above the horizon 08:14 for much of the year? 08:15 NN: Yeah. 08:16 They'll have very low vitamin D levels and thus they have higher 08:18 cancer rates. 08:19 JB: They do, huh? 08:20 NN: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 08:21 Now, hopefully, they're outdoors in the summertime, because even 08:24 up in Alaska you can get some vitamin D, you know, in midday 08:28 in the summertime. 08:29 JB: Yeah, yeah. 08:30 Back to antioxidants. 08:33 I understand there's a school of thought where people are saying 08:37 antioxidants may even be bad for you if you have cancer. 08:41 And so, I'm going to ask you about that. 08:43 NN: Okay. 08:43 JB: In just a moment. 08:44 There's more to talk about today because when it comes to cancer 08:51 there really is hope and you want to know what that is. 08:55 We'll be back with more straight ahead. 08:59 [Gentle Music)] >: In Matthew 4:4, 09:02 the Word of God says, It is written, 09:04 man shall not live by bread alone, 09:06 but by every word that proceeds 09:08 from the mouth of God. 09:10 "Every Word" is a one-minute Bible-based daily 09:13 devotional presented by Pastor John Bradshaw and designed 09:16 especially for busy people like you. 09:18 Look for "Every Word" on selected networks 09:21 or watch it online every day on our web site, 09:23 ItIsWritten.com. 09:25 Receive a daily spiritual boost, watch "Every Word." 09:29 You'll be glad you did. 09:31 Here's a sample. 09:34 ♪ [Rythmic Melody] ♪ 09:41 JB: One of the most famous passages in the Bible, 09:43 it's found in the 23rd Psalm. 09:45 And no wonder, it's filled with wonderfully evocative language 09:49 that paints a remarkably assuring and comforting picture 09:51 of God. 09:53 It starts by saying in Psalm 23:1, 09:55 "The Lord is my shepherd." 09:57 David wrote this Psalm and he knew by experience what a 10:00 shepherd went through to care for the sheep. 10:02 Remember, David spent time with the sheep. 10:05 He defended them from harm and he realized that the sheep were 10:07 precious, valuable. 10:10 A family's livelihood was often bound up in that flock. 10:13 When David says that the Lord is our shepherd, you can know that 10:16 God is telling us that he's with us, he defends us, and he 10:20 regards us as of great value. 10:23 There's someone with you today, be encouraged. 10:25 The Lord is your shepherd. 10:27 I'm John Bradshaw for It Is Written. 10:29 Let's live today by every word. 10:35 JB: This is It Is Written, thanks for joining me today. 10:37 I'm John Bradshaw being joined by Dr. Neil Nedley 10:39 the president of Nedley Health Solutions. 10:42 Cancer, is there hope? 10:44 Why does it matter? 10:45 This is It Is Written, I'll tell you why. 10:47 We were designed and made intentionally by a loving 10:51 creator God. 10:52 He put us on this earth to live long and prosper. 10:56 Yet because of sin entering the picture, we are beset and 11:00 dragged down and weighed down by all kinds of diseases and what 11:05 they do is they sap our lives in so many ways, and ultimately 11:09 negatively affect our relationship with God. 11:11 We don't want that. 11:12 If cancer strikes, is there hope? 11:14 We're going to get to that in just a moment. 11:16 Dr. Nedley, I wanted to ask you about antioxidants because there 11:19 are some, and no doubt many have heard this line of reasoning, 11:25 antioxidants are bad for you if you have cancer. 11:27 Is there anything to that? 11:29 NN: Yeah, well, the theory was that since antioxidants protect 11:33 cells from being damaged that maybe they're protecting our 11:37 cancer cells from the chemotherapy destroying it. 11:41 JB: Okay. 11:41 NN: And so, many oncologists, based on theory alone, no 11:45 science behind it other than the theory, were advising people to 11:50 be on a very poor diet. 11:51 JB: Oh, my. 11:52 NN: Poor in antioxidants, while they're on cancer treatment of 11:55 radiation and chemo to make sure the cancer gets destroyed. 11:59 Well, in reality the antioxidants protect our good 12:02 cells and they don't protect our bad cells. 12:06 And so, what happens is the longevity of people on 12:10 antioxidants when they're on cancer treatment is even higher 12:13 because we want to protect our good cells. 12:16 And the unfortunate thing is radiation and chemo can destroy 12:19 some of the good cells. 12:20 JB: Yes. 12:20 NN: And that's why we can have side effects that can be even 12:23 deadly sometimes from these things. 12:25 Wherefore on a high antioxidant program, uh, we're not going to 12:29 protect our cancer cells at all from these treatments. 12:32 JB: Certainly, one should always have faith in God. 12:35 But what's the role for a believer in God and somebody who 12:38 stands on the Bible, what's the role in their experience for 12:42 things such as radiation and chemotherapy? 12:46 NN: Yeah, or maybe we could even start out with surgery. 12:48 I've heard it said that, hey, you know, stay away from surgery 12:53 because it's going to spread your cancer. 12:55 JB: Oh, that's wrong. 12:55 NN: And it's going to have all of those issues. 12:58 And sometimes I've had to remind these Christians 13:00 which came first, sin or surgery? 13:04 JB: There you go. 13:04 NN: And often they tell me, well, of course, sin came first. 13:07 Actually, no. 13:09 Surgery came first and both patients were satisfied 13:12 with the results. 13:13 JB: (laughs) Yes, that's right. 13:14 Explain, for somebody who didn't get that, 13:15 what are you referring to? 13:17 NN: Well, actually before surgery there was anesthesia. 13:20 JB: There you go. 13:22 God caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep and he performed a 13:24 little surgical procedure and removed a rib 13:26 and by the time he was done NN: That's right. 13:28 JB: Adam was happy. 13:29 NN: Exactly. 13:29 And, well, God can, God can guide the hand of the surgeon. 13:33 JB: Yes. 13:34 NN: Um, there are, are skilled surgeons that 13:36 the Lord can guide in actually taking out these tumors. 13:39 And, no, surgery does not increase the risk 13:43 of the cancer spreading. 13:45 If it's confined and can be taken care of that way, 13:48 that's a good choice. 13:50 JB: Some of the side effects from chemotherapy and radiation 13:54 can be brutal. 13:55 Some can. 13:57 So, is it a, a, a denial of faith in God to go 14:02 the medical route? 14:03 NN: It's not. 14:03 I'll tell you, there was a, um, a patient of mine that had 14:08 advanced breast cancer. 14:09 She didn't come to me until her breast cancer was very advanced 14:13 and it was bleeding. 14:15 Um, just huge, she was, you know, 14:17 a believer, and, um, said that, you know, 14:20 or believed that she shouldn't have surgery or treatment. 14:23 She was trying all these natural remedies and her daughter was 14:26 putting charcoal on it and it was now getting into some 14:30 significant arteries and sometimes she would have 14:32 significant massive bleeding. 14:34 We were having to transfuse her. 14:37 And she wouldn't be convinced otherwise. 14:39 Uh, and finally I came into her and I gave her this 14:43 illustration. 14:44 I said, there was a cancer on the earth, you know, when, 14:49 for instance, when the Amalekites first came 14:51 across the Israelites, God said, no, now is not the time. 14:56 But eventually they got to the place where if they would have 15:01 continued to exist, the cancers of sin that they would have 15:04 produced on this earth could have potentially 15:07 wiped out the entire earth. 15:08 JB: Right. 15:08 NN: And so, the Lord said, get rid of them, 15:12 every last one of them. 15:15 And in those battles where Israel was told to fight, 15:19 they often lost good soldiers in those battles. 15:21 JB: That's right. 15:22 NN: And sometimes hundreds of, uh, of Israelites were killed 15:25 that were good people, but it was for a good cause 15:29 of wiping out a cancer that was on the earth. 15:32 And so, as I explained that to her, I said, think of 15:35 chemotherapy as warring against your cancer cells. 15:39 Yes, it may destroy some good cells, but if your 15:43 cancer cells are not destroyed, this cancer will destroy you. 15:48 That was eight years ago. 15:50 After that, she told her family to all leave who were trying to 15:54 convince her into chemo for, you know, 15:56 quite a long period of time, and she sat there with me 16:00 and wanted to fully understand what I was saying and then she 16:03 had me leave the room and then 30 minutes later she had us come 16:06 and she said, I'm made my decision, we're going to undergo 16:08 chemotherapy. 16:09 JB: And she's alive today? 16:10 NN: And she's alive today and that tumor shrunk right down. 16:14 We put her on a good other program, with good antioxidants 16:17 and other things to try to help protect those cells. 16:19 But she is eternally grateful because she would have been in 16:22 the grave within a matter of weeks, um, 16:24 had that not taken place. 16:25 JB: It's not a disavowal of faith in God to seek good 16:28 medical treatment. 16:29 NN: That's right. 16:29 JB: That's not to say all chemo is right in all cases for all 16:36 people in all situations. 16:37 NN: That's right. 16:38 JB: Right. 16:38 NN: Right. 16:39 JB: And if you, if you go a conventional medical route under 16:42 the guidance of, of good physicians, 16:45 that's not to say you can't do other things. 16:46 Because you still have faith in God. 16:48 NN: That's right. 16:48 JB: And still do, do natural things that wouldn't harm your 16:51 immune system. 16:53 NN: But we do need to understand that if cancer cells are not 16:56 destroyed, they will destroy you, and it gets down to the 16:58 point where we have to destroy every last one. 17:00 JB: Yeah. 17:01 NN: If there's one of them there, it's going to start 17:03 reproducing and within several years it's going to actually 17:08 come back. 17:08 JB: Cancer, is there hope? 17:11 Why are we talking about this? 17:12 Clearly God wants us to live an abundant life. 17:15 Cancer affects one in two men and one in three women in the 17:19 United States. 17:20 Dr. Nedley, somebody has cancer, invasive cancer, we've spoken 17:25 just a few moments ago about, uh, various options, but what, 17:29 what does a person do, should a person, 17:32 could a person do when they've got it? 17:35 NN: Well, when they've got invasive cancer, there's good 17:37 questions that they need to ask their cancer doctors. 17:40 What is, what is my likelihood of cure with this treatment? 17:44 What is my likelihood of remission? 17:46 Avail themselves of good evidence-based treatments. 17:51 But at the same time, they need to see what they can do to get 17:55 on the best nutrition and lifestyle program. 18:00 A lot of people have this mistake thinking, hey, I've 18:03 already god cancer, so why change my lifestyle now? 18:08 And studies show that if you change your lifestyle for the 18:10 better, you significantly improve your odds. 18:12 For instance, if you have lung cancer and don't quit smoking, 18:16 your chance of cancer recurrence is far higher than 18:19 if you quit smoking. 18:20 JB: Right. 18:20 NN: If you have colon cancer and you continue to eat red meat, 18:25 your chance of recurrence is higher than if you don't eat 18:27 red meat. 18:29 And so, what you need to do is also get in touch with a 18:34 clinician or a physician who can give you the evidence-based 18:38 therapies that can be utilized in conjunction with traditional 18:43 therapies that can improve your odds. 18:47 JB: Natural remedies. 18:49 They come in all different shapes and sizes. 18:51 What are some that have been demonstrated to help in, uh, 18:58 the case of cancer? 18:59 And I just want to say to you, at the risk of sounding 19:00 redundant, I'm not one who advocates ignoring conventional 19:07 cancer treatment and going the whole hog on natural remedies. 19:11 If God leads a person to do that, that's fine, but I, I'm 19:13 convicted that we should really be wise about using, uh, 19:19 modern medical methods that are available to us. 19:21 That having been said, natural remedies? 19:24 NN: Turmeric, for instance, for breast cancer. 19:28 Significant improvement when combined, uh, with chemotherapy, 19:33 versus chemotherapy with no turmeric on board. 19:37 Turmeric not only can help with breast cancer, it can help with 19:40 melanoma, it can help with other forms of cancer, 19:43 even pancreatic cancer. 19:45 Uh, feverfew, uh, which is a plant, 19:48 uh, that's derived a chemical called [parthenolide] 19:51 has been shown to be actually more effective than the best 19:54 effective drug for acute myelocytic leukemia. 19:58 Resveratrol in combination with other treatments has been show 20:02 to help with pancreatic cancer. 20:04 Uh. 20:06 JB: And we get resveratrol from? 20:07 NN: From red grapes. 20:09 Then there's, um, pomegranate juice 20:12 for prostate cancer, actually decreases the doubling 20:16 time of prostate cancer significantly. 20:19 These are all peer-reviewed scientific literature. 20:22 You could log onto our web site and actually see the references 20:25 and the peer-reviewed, uh, research. 20:27 Here's kind of the, the frustration that I have as 20:30 far as our medical society is concerned, if you don't offer a 20:34 patient chemotherapy, um, you can be committing malpractice. 20:39 But if you don't tell them about pomegranate juice 20:43 in prostate cancer, it's not seen as malpractice. 20:45 JB: Right. 20:46 NN: Uh, and it, it's because of the bias that we have in the 20:49 pharmaceutical industry that is so strong a lobby group, uh, and 20:55 there isn't any lobby group for pomegranates, for instance, 20:59 because they don't cost anything, there's no patent on 21:01 it and that sort of thing. 21:03 So, unless your doctor is informed about peer-review 21:06 research, you may never find out about that. 21:08 And so that's why it's important for you to also talk to someone 21:12 who's familiar with the peer-review research in cancer, 21:16 because it's a combined approach that's going to improve your 21:19 odds of survival. 21:20 JB: That's what I say. 21:21 You want to do your homework. 21:22 But let's talk about prayer. 21:24 NN: Um-hum. 21:25 JB: I've spoken to people who've had cancer and they said, 21:28 there's nothing like this cancer to kick start or readjust my 21:33 relationship with God. 21:33 When you're, when you're confronting your own mortality, 21:36 it makes you really think about these things. 21:38 NN: There have been studies on SRC. 21:41 SRC is the enigma of the cancer researchers, it's called 21:46 Spontaneous Regression of Cancer. 21:49 JB: Yeah. 21:50 NN: And these are people that did nothing, but then they came 21:52 back expecting to die, told they were given a death sentence, and 21:56 six months later they're not dead, they're actually feeling 21:58 pretty good, and they come back and have their scans and the 22:01 cancer is all gone. 22:03 There's been over 140 cases now described in the medical 22:06 literature of SRC, and every one of those cases involved prayer. 22:13 But it wasn't a prayer for a cure, 22:17 interestingly enough. 22:18 Doctor Dawsey has demonstrated this. 22:20 We have it in our book "Proof Positive." 22:22 We, we show all the research on this. 22:24 It was actually a prayer placing the individual into the will, 22:29 into the hands of God. 22:31 And that person was committed to doing God's will in their life, 22:35 thinking that they were going to die. 22:37 But they just wanted to do his will during the remaining few 22:40 weeks of their life. 22:42 And in some instances, you can't explain it any other way, 22:46 the Lord was the one who was the Great Physician 22:49 and touched them. 22:50 JB: You know, I've said this to people many times and then when 22:53 I was dealing with cancer, I, I, uh, way up 22:58 with what I was saying meant anything or nothing. 23:01 There are worse things than being sick. 23:03 There are worse things than a terminal illness. 23:05 Because when we think about this in the light of eternity, 23:09 whatever we go through on this earth, 23:11 that's one thing, but the point is 23:13 we want to get out of this earth and into the world to come. 23:16 NN: That's right. 23:17 JB: So, really, I say this with a great deal of respect, 23:21 whether we live or die, that's not 23:24 really the important question because we're all 23:25 going to die anyhow. 23:27 What's important is what happens next. 23:29 NN: That's right. 23:30 JB: And even if a person has a cancer that isn't going to be 23:32 cured, it's what happens next that's important. 23:37 When your eyes open again, will you see Jesus? 23:40 Will there be a place for you in God's eternal kingdom? 23:42 And that's where there is hope for everybody. 23:45 NN: Yeah. 23:46 The Book of James says that if we pray according to God's will, 23:49 he will raise up the sick. 23:52 Now, it doesn't tell us the time that that will occur. 23:54 JB: That's right. 23:55 NN: But, uh, we know that, uh, if you are in the Lord's hands 24:00 and you do die, you're going to be healed in the resurrection. 24:03 There's going to be no cancer in heaven. 24:05 And so maybe it's the Lord's will that 24:07 you're not healed until then. 24:08 JB: And we want to encourage you with that today. 24:10 You know, there's a lot you can do to 24:12 strengthen your immune system, stay away from certain things, 24:15 be sure you're getting the right antioxidants. 24:20 Ah, and then what? 24:22 Well, then you trust the Lord. 24:24 Maybe somebody with cancer is going to have radiation 24:26 or chemotherapy or not. 24:28 Maybe you're going to drink some carrot juice 24:29 or do something different. 24:31 But there's hope. 24:32 There's real hope for healing, thank God. 24:35 And ultimately there's the guarantee of ultimate healing, 24:40 because one day Jesus will come back, he'll take us to a place 24:43 the Bible says the inhabitant of that place will not say, 24:46 I am sick. 24:47 God will wipe away all tears from their eyes, 24:49 there'll be no more death, neither sorrow, 24:52 nor crying, neither will there be any pain 24:55 because the former things are passed away. 24:58 But if you're facing in your personal experience, 25:00 in your family, with a friend, 25:02 I want you to know today, thank God there is hope. 25:08 ♪ [Heartfelt melody] ♪ JB: Perhaps our program 25:11 today has touched your heart and impressed you with a personal 25:13 need for deeper Bible study. 25:15 If you desire to listen to God and follow where he leads, 25:19 we've got a wonderful resource that can help you do that 25:21 in a systematic way. 25:23 "The Discover Bible Guides." 25:25 These study guides will take you through the essential truths 25:28 taught in Scripture. 25:29 They give you the big picture, showing how it all fits 25:32 together. 25:33 "The Discover Bible Guides" are a wonderful way for you to 25:36 become grounded in the Word of God, and to see how Jesus Christ 25:39 relates to all the areas of our lives. 25:42 Please call or write us and "The Discover Bible Guides" 25:45 will be on their way to you. 25:47 If you live in North America we'll mail these Bible guides 25:50 free of charge. 25:51 Or for easier and immediate access from anywhere around 25:54 the world you can get these wonderful Bible lessons on our 25:57 web site itiswritten.com. 26:01 Request "The Discover Bible Guides" by calling our toll-free 26:04 number 1-800-253-3000. 26:08 Call right now and tell us the name of today's free offer, 26:11 "The Discover Bible Guides." 26:14 You can also request today's offer by writing to 26:16 It Is Written, Box 0, Thousand Oaks, California 91359. 26:22 Thank you for your letters and for your continued support. 26:27 JB: Dr. Nedley, again thanks for joining me today. 26:30 You've helped us to understand there really is hope and we're 26:35 encouraged through Christ. 26:36 Thank you. 26:36 NN: Yes. 26:37 Thank you. 26:38 JB: Let's pray, let's pray and thank God for the hope he 26:40 gives us through Jesus Christ. 26:43 ♪ [Warm and Heartfelt melody] ♪ Our Father in Heaven, 26:46 we are grateful. 26:47 We thank you that as Dr. Nedley has said, there are many things 26:50 that we can do to improve our odds, if I can put it that way, 26:54 in the face of cancer. 26:56 There are many things. 26:57 And you can heal. 26:58 You've done it again and again and again. 27:02 You can heal through one means or another. 27:06 You can heal. 27:08 And ultimately we're grateful to know that when Jesus returns, 27:14 that in the earth made new, we'll be healed, healed of any 27:18 physical malady and healed from every spiritual malady that 27:22 afflicted us while on this earth. 27:24 We thank you for hope today. 27:26 And we thank you for Jesus today. 27:28 And we pray in Jesus' name. 27:30 Amen. 27:31 NN: Amen. 27:34 ♪ [gentle tune] ♪ 27:49 JB: Thank you for joining me today. 27:51 I look forward to seeing you again next time. 27:53 Until then, remember It Is Written. 27:57 Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that 28:01 proceeds from the mouth of God. 28:04 ♪ [It Is Written Theme] ♪ |
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