It Is Written

The New Age Deception

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00:07 It has stood the test of time.
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00:36 Thanks for joining me today on It Is Written.
00:38 I'm John Bradshaw.
00:39 With me today, a special guest.
00:41 We're talking about The New Age movement and how New Age
00:44 practices and principles have infiltrated Christianity today.
00:49 With me, Best-Selling Author, Will Barron, who has extensive
00:54 experience in the things of the New Age.
00:56 Will, thanks for joining me today.
00:57 WB: It's a pleasure to be here.
00:58 JB: Explain for me, if you would, in broad terms
01:01 or narrow terms, however you wish, what's the
01:03 New Age movement.
01:04 WB: Well the New Age movement was a new spirituality
01:08 that was introduced primarily from the theosophical society,
01:12 founded in 1875 by a Russian mystic called
01:16 Madame Blavatsky.
01:17 She was a medium.
01:18 She communicated with spirit beings that she believed
01:22 were from God.
01:24 And I personally started getting involved in this
01:27 movement through psychology and through self-help
01:30 psychology, later through professional psychologists
01:35 and I migrated over, then, into Eastern Mysticism.
01:39 I was practicing Yoga, Eastern meditation, studying
01:42 the occult, astrology, numerology, many of these
01:46 different topics that are very popular today.
01:49 JB: Let me go fast-forward and then fast backward.
01:53 I want to at least come forward from where you were.
01:54 You were a New Age Priest.
01:55 Is that correct?
01:56 WB: That is correct, yes.
01:57 JB: But you had been raised in a Christian home.
02:00 WB: That is correct, yes.
02:01 JB: Okay, okay.
02:02 So, first thing that we are going to point out here is
02:05 that it's possible even for Christians to get tied up in
02:07 really satanic New Age practices.
02:10 WB: Absolutely.
02:11 JB: How did it happen in your life?
02:13 WB: Even though I was a Christian, brought up in
02:15 a Christian family, I didn't have any close relationship
02:19 with Jesus Christ.
02:21 I believed that I was saved and I believed that through
02:25 church attendance and through this belief in Jesus that
02:29 everything would be fine but in terms of my lifestyle and
02:33 my activities, I was not studying the Bible.
02:38 I did pray, but not really diligently, and I was
02:42 fascinated by occult movies and somehow, inside of me,
02:46 I was captivated by the mystical and the occult.
02:53 And somehow paranormal phenomena had an interest
02:57 that was precipitated inside of me and I started reading
03:02 books on the occult, on out-of-body experiences,
03:05 reading books on reincarnation and gradually, over the years,
03:11 I finally severed all connection with christianity
03:14 and started getting involved in the occult.
03:16 JB: Now what's interesting is that a lot of people will say
03:19 there's no harm in watching these movies.
03:22 I mean, there are loads of Christians, as you well know,
03:25 who watch occult themed movies thinking that they are
03:28 watching something that is essentially harmless
03:30 because it's not real.
03:31 You would say it's not harmless.
03:33 WB: I would say it's not harmless because it is real.
03:36 These movies are portraying real power that is ultimately
03:41 coming from Satan.
03:43 And by people watching these movies, the fascination with
03:48 the occult is implanted inside of them and sooner or
03:52 later they will gravitate away from the fiction of the
03:56 movies to the real world of the occult and that is exactly
03:59 what happened to me.
04:01 JB: Take this a little bit further.
04:02 You started getting involved in reading, watching and now
04:05 you said they started to take over your life.
04:08 What happened?
04:09 WB: Basically, in my mid 20's, I started to realize that
04:13 I was depressed in my life and I was running out of
04:17 options, where to get excitement, where to get
04:19 fulfillment.
04:21 I had pretty good jobs, but it seemed to me that there
04:25 was something missing and I was basically depressed.
04:28 And I had certain problems also.
04:31 Problems in relationships, problems with addictions
04:36 and I realized I needed some kind of power outside of myself
04:41 that would bring solutions to my life and that would bring
04:44 contentment.
04:45 I always felt there was a mystical dimension to life,
04:48 a spiritual dimension.
04:50 I didn't know where to find it.
04:51 I felt that traditional Christianity was not the
04:53 answer.
04:55 And so I started, then, looking to Eastern mysticism,
04:59 to New Age psychics, to mystical power, and certainly
05:04 there was power in the New Age.
05:06 A lot more power than in psychology,
05:09 but it is unfortunately a deceptive and Satanic power.
05:12 Will, a couple of moments ago you talked about how you were
05:13 drawn into and fascinated by occult themes and the things
05:18 of the New Age.
05:19 Where did that eventually lead your life or, let me ask you
05:20 this, when did you start getting involved
05:24 as a New Age priest?
05:25 WB: Well you don't start out as a New Age priest.
05:28 I just started out as someone that was looking for solutions
05:31 to my depression.
05:34 I went and had a psychic reading and this psychic
05:39 had tremendous power.
05:40 She was able to describe in intimate detail people that
05:43 I had been associated with and certain aspects of my life
05:46 and she invited me to attend classes in that center
05:51 and I was so intrigued with what was to me real psychic
05:55 ability that I started attending these classes,
05:58 I started to learn how to practice transcendental
06:01 meditation, how to communicate with spirit guides,
06:05 how to communicate with what were called
06:08 the ascended masters, supposedly God's representatives on
06:11 Planet Earth and I basically gave myself over to being
06:16 a disciple of a spirit guide that appeared to me about one
06:21 year after I started attending classes at this New Age center.
06:24 And this spirit guide had incredible light, when he
06:28 appeared in this vision and I believed he was a
06:30 divine being.
06:31 JB: Psychics.
06:33 We sometimes laugh them off, make jokes about them,
06:38 but they're real, aren't they?
06:39 WB: I would say some of them are probably not.
06:42 Some of them are there just to make some money.
06:45 As entertainment.
06:46 Some of them though, that have spirit guides,
06:50 that are in communication with what I know believe are
06:54 Satanic angels, evil spirits.
06:56 These evil spirits have a lot of knowledge.
06:58 They know all about us and they can communicate
07:01 telepathically this information into the mind of their
07:04 channeler or a medium, a psychic reader
07:09 and the psychic reader will then issue that information,
07:12 communicate it and it sounds as if they have got tremendous,
07:16 psychic abilities but I believe now it is
07:19 completely demonic, satanic and terribly, terribly
07:22 deceptive.
07:23 JB: So people, even Christians, who might think about
07:27 going and speaking to a psychic, again, some of them may
07:32 just be phoneys.
07:32 However, what you're saying (and I believe this to be
07:34 true, of course) in speaking to one of those people, the
07:36 person visiting the psychic is simply receiving information
07:38 that comes right from the Devil himself.
07:40 WB: Absolutely .Yes.
07:41 JB: That cannot be a safe practice for a Christian.
07:44 WB: Absolutely dangerous.
07:45 Even though it appears to be truth what is spoken because
07:50 a psychic can narrate events from your life.
07:54 JB: The point that I think is very important is what some
07:56 people might just want to write off as being fantasy
07:59 and fiction is really real.
08:00 What does t his suggest to us or tell us about the reality
08:04 of the spirit world?
08:06 WB: Absolutely real.
08:08 It is as real as anything we see in this physical world.
08:10 For people that have been involved in the occults,
08:14 we know first hand that is a dimension that exists
08:18 and I believe Satan himself tries to brainwash the secular
08:22 world into thinking that Satan does not exist.
08:26 In fact, one of the major teachings
08:29 of the New Age movement is that Satan does not exist.
08:34 Therefore, any kind of mystical experience that you
08:39 have, any kind of channeling or mediumship practice
08:44 is always within the realm of that which is God, because if
08:46 Satan doesn't exist, it must be within the realm of God
08:49 and this is a terrible, terrible deception.
08:52 JB: Tell me what happened next.
08:54 You started the get quite deep into this and really
08:58 gave your life to following these pursuits.
09:01 WB: Yes.
09:02 When I had that visionary experience where my personal
09:05 spirit guide, who had the name "Djwhal Khul" --
09:08 When he appeared to me in this incredible vision and
09:12 invited me to become one of his personal disciples,
09:17 I then gave my life over to his instructions.
09:20 He would communicate with me maybe two or three times a
09:23 week, initially, during the practice of eastern
09:28 transcendental meditation.
09:30 I would hear this voice inside my mind and it was
09:32 very clear, as if you were hearing my voice or I'm
09:33 hearing your voice and he would give me practical
09:37 instructions.
09:38 How to change my life.
09:40 And he then promised me that I would have a prominent part
09:43 within this New Age movement to launch this new era, this
09:48 new world order, that the New Age movement is endeavoring
09:51 to bring about within society throughout the whole world.
09:55 As a disciple of this spirit guide, the first two or three
09:59 years felt very blessed.
10:00 There were a lot of exciting things happening in my life.
10:05 But eventually, that discipleship relationship
10:08 became absolute slavery.
10:11 A nightmare of slavery to what I now believe to be
10:14 a demonic spirit.
10:16 JB: So to begin with, what the spirit guide was telling
10:19 you was helpful and good.
10:21 WB: Very helpful.
10:23 JB: But then it crossed over.
10:25 WB: Yes.
10:25 Yes.
10:26 JB: How did that become onerous.
10:27 WB: Well, for example, the leader of our new New Age
10:29 center, where I was a senior board member, launched an
10:32 advertising promotion program and she invited people to
10:35 make donations from within the clients of that center
10:40 and when I got back to the apartment where I was living,
10:43 my spirit guide told me to immediately send Muriel
10:46 a check for $1,000.00.
10:51 There was a problem.
10:52 I didn't have any money.
10:54 At that time, I could hold a two way mind to mind
10:58 telepathic communication with this spirit guide and so I
11:00 asked the spirit guide, "where am I going
11:03 to get the money from"?
11:05 And he said "use your MasterCard" And I recall that
11:08 I did have MasterCard checks that had bee mailed to me and
11:12 so I wrote out one of these checks.
11:14 Here I am.
11:15 I have no money and I write out a check for $1,000 on my
11:18 MasterCard and mailed it then to the New Age center's
11:21 leader.
11:23 Two days later, my spirit guide spoke to me again and
11:26 congratulated me on my obedience to his instruction
11:30 but he said "that's not enough money.
11:33 You need now to send another check for $2,000.00."
11:36 At that point, I was very afraid.
11:39 I thought, perhaps I'm getting involved in some kind of cult.
11:43 But there was no escape.
11:46 The spirit guide was hounding me and demanding me that
11:49 I send that money and I felt terrible depression, worse
11:53 depression than the clinical depression that I used to
11:56 experience prior to getting involved in the New Age.
11:59 Finally, the depression was so bad I felt I had to choose
12:04 suicide or choose obedience.
12:06 There was no intermediate ground because I felt so bad.
12:09 I wrote out one of these MasterCard checks for
12:12 $2,000.00.
12:14 As soon as the envelope with that check dropped in the
12:17 mailbox, the depression lifted instantly and of course,
12:19 the forced donation didn't stop there.
12:23 Another three days later, the spirit guide came back and
12:26 said, "this time, I need you to send another check,
12:29 this time for $3,000.00."
12:31 This is the beginning of what I called the New Age nightmare.
12:35 Total slavery to a demonic spirit and there was no way
12:42 I could get out of that, of my own strength.
12:44 This satanic spirit had more power than I had
12:46 and I was trapped.
12:48 JB: I've read the story about your encounter with the demonic
12:51 spirit and the donations in your book
12:54 Deceived by the New Age, a powerful book, a best-selling
12:58 book, and you've talked about this book on television
13:00 networks across the United States and around the world.
13:02 In just a moment, let's talk about how you managed
13:04 to get out of there.
13:05 Because right now, there is no way out for Will Barron,
13:10 but evidently there was and we'll find out how Will
13:12 managed to get out of the New Age movement in just
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14:51 I'm John Bradshaw.
14:52 This is It Is Written and with me, best-selling author
14:55 and former New Age priest, Will Barron.
14:58 JB: Will, a moment ago you were talking about how you
15:00 were getting deeper and deeper and deeper
15:02 in the New Age movement.
15:03 Now the spirit guide was making demands on you that you were
15:08 starting to feel were terrible.
15:10 From where we are in the story, I don't see the way out
15:13 so tell me what happened next.
15:15 WB: Before I was rescued from New Age, the deception got
15:18 even deeper.
15:20 Our new age center was run by a psychic called Muriel
15:25 "Isis".
15:27 Well known professional psychic in Los Angeles.
15:30 She said that our New Age center was no longer going
15:33 to come under the supervision of the ascended Master,
15:37 "Djwhal Khul" which was my personal spirit guide and her
15:40 personal spirit guide.
15:42 She had own been visited by Jesus Christ and that Jesus
15:47 Christ was now taking over our center and we needed
15:53 to change into a Christian church organization.
15:57 I was astounded that this would happen because in
16:00 sentiment, I was somewhat anti-Christian.
16:04 And Muriel, the founder and director now started giving
16:07 Bible study classes, we started holding Sunday
16:11 morning worship services.
16:13 JB: Real Bible studies classes?
16:14 Studying the book of John and how Jesus treated people
16:17 and Bible doctrines?
16:19 WB: Well, we were studying the Bible but Muriel would
16:24 give the mystical or esoteric explanation of certain
16:29 doctrines within the Bible, so it was not quite your
16:34 typical conventional Christianity, but we called
16:37 ourselves New Age christians.
16:39 We still practiced transcendental meditation,
16:43 we still had astrology classes and numerology classes.
16:51 We still practiced holistic health.
16:52 We were still channeling, but instead of channeling various
16:54 ascended masters, we were now channeling only Jesus
17:03 the Christ.
17:04 And this Jesus, who was not the real Jesus Christ, it was
17:06 the other Jesus the Apostle Paul talks about in
17:08 2 Corinthians 11, this other Jesus, this counterfeit Jesus,
17:10 this fake Jesus started taking over our center.
17:15 And for the next two years, now believed that I was a
17:19 follower of Jesus Christ.
17:21 I even underwent immersion baptism.
17:24 I even was speaking in tongues, but it was all
17:28 counterfeit with a very specific mission of introducing
17:33 new age techniques and teachings into
17:36 Christian churches.
17:38 JB: Teachings such as what?
17:40 WB: My new spirit guide, who called himself Jesus Christ,
17:45 the mission that he gave me was to infiltrate regular
17:50 Christian churches and to try to find people that would be
17:54 interested in practicing what we called Christian
17:58 meditation, which was basically New Age Eastern
18:02 Transcendental Meditation, just given a Christian name,
18:07 and so I was told to infiltrate different evangelical
18:11 and mainline churches and start meditation groups
18:14 in those churches.
18:15 JB: Were you successful?
18:16 WB: I was not because it was only a few weeks after
18:20 that new mission that in a miracle, I was actually rescued
18:24 from the New Age deception.
18:26 JB: Well, I want to get to that but I want to follow
18:28 this thought here a little further.
18:31 So what you are saying is that there are Christian
18:33 churches across the fruited plain who are accepting into
18:36 their fellowship and into their practices ideas that
18:40 they think are Christian and are going to help them in their
18:42 Christian growth but in actual fact, the idea is that
18:45 they are accepting an out and out New Age spiritualism.
18:50 WB: Yes, there was a pastor of one quite sizable
18:52 evangelical church and I believe this is a good
18:55 church, who literally invited me to start a meditation
18:59 group in his church.
19:01 JB: And this infiltration is deliberate?
19:04 WB: Absolutely deliberate, yes, yes.
19:06 People who were controlled by evil spirits like myself
19:10 were given instructions and commands from their spirit
19:14 guides to infiltrate Christian churches, to go to worship
19:17 services, to attend Bible study groups, to attend home study
19:22 groups, to make friends with Christians and to basically
19:25 feel out for people that might be interested in this
19:28 type of mystical Christianity.
19:31 JB: Somebody gets a flyer in their mail.
19:33 It's the XYZ Church on the corner, and they are offering
19:38 classes in Christian meditation of Christian Yoga.
19:43 They get this flyer in the mail, and they say "Oh,
19:46 that could be interesting."
19:47 You get that flyer in the mail, and you say "I know
19:50 just what this is."
19:51 WB: Yes.
19:53 Now today we are finding a lot of New Age mystical
19:57 meditation techniques infiltrating into the
20:00 Christian church.
20:02 JB: These things are not harmless, that are coming
20:04 into Christianity.
20:05 They are not harmless.
20:06 You'd say they are not harmless.
20:08 WB: They're absolutely dangerous.
20:10 JB: Okay, we are going to talk more about those in a moment.
20:13 But for now, you were giving the mission of bringing some of
20:14 these things into Christianity but you were rescued.
20:17 WB: Yes.
20:18 JB: Okay, how?
20:19 WB: When our New Age center converted into a Christian
20:23 church, I started to study the Bible and I started to
20:26 visit Christian bookstores.
20:29 I needed to know how to communicate with Christians.
20:32 I needed to know what they were teaching and my spirit
20:36 guide encouraged me to study some of the teachings
20:39 of Christianity.
20:41 And the amazing thing is as I visited Christian bookstores,
20:46 as I started studying the Bible, as I started reading
20:49 Christian books, a point came in my life where the real
20:53 Holy Spirit interceded in my life and my parents were very
20:57 dedicated Christians.
21:00 They had been praying for me for 16 years and the Holy
21:04 Spirit saw an opportunity and rescued me from that
21:08 terrible deception.
21:09 I had what you might call a true enlightenment where the
21:13 Holy Spirit just opened my eyes and my heart to the truth
21:17 that I was a slave of demonic spirits, and that what we
21:21 were teaching in this New Age Christianity was not the same
21:24 as is clearly taught in the Bible.
21:26 It is a gospel of the antichrist and I was
21:29 delivered and rescued from that terrible deception.
21:33 JB: Was it easy to get out?
21:34 Was it just a matter of walking out the door?
21:36 WB: No.
21:37 Absolutely no.
21:38 JB: What did you go through in getting out?
21:39 WB: In my mind, I knew the New Age was deception, that
21:45 it was Satanic, that it was not compatible with the
21:47 Bible, I knew that in my mind.
21:50 But the Satanic spirits would still manipulate my emotions
21:55 and manipulate especially my thinking.
21:58 They would speak into my mind tormenting thoughts,
22:02 chastising thoughts, and it was a struggle
22:05 for five years.
22:06 JB: Five years?
22:07 WB: Yes, yes.
22:09 JB: But how do you get out of that?
22:12 Do you will your way out?
22:13 Do you weight it out or is there something that somebody
22:15 is going through this kind of torment or pressure, needs
22:18 prayer of fasting, is it the laying on of hands?
22:22 What do you go through to get out?
22:24 WB: I would say primarily you need to study the Word of God
22:28 to be anchored in truth so that no matter what these
22:32 voices in your mind from demonic spirits are telling
22:36 you, you can always respond as Jesus did, IT IS WRITTEN
22:40 so that you cannot be deceived on the intellectual
22:43 level.
22:44 On the emotional level and this Satanic voice level,
22:51 you just have to ignore it.
22:52 It is a matter of faith.
22:54 By faith, you move forward and you ignore all these
22:57 demonic spirits and I found that singing also helps,
23:02 to sing Christian songs or praise music seem to drive
23:05 demons away and also prayer, dedicated prayer.
23:10 Being part of the Christian fellowship is very, very
23:13 important, and after 5 years these demons pretty much left
23:17 me alone and I praise God for that deliverance because
23:21 I was rescued from a terrible, terrible nightmare
23:24 of depression.
23:25 JB: Praise God for his goodness.
23:28 A couple of things come to mind now.
23:31 There are people watching who are saying "So there's hope
23:33 for my son or my daughter.
23:35 WB: Absolutely, yes.
23:36 JB: And there is someone watching who is saying
23:39 "so there's hope for me."
23:39 WB: Absolutely.
23:41 JB: So there is a way out.
23:42 You can be held here in chains.
23:45 WB: Yes.
23:46 JB: But there is a way out.
23:47 WB: I think I was as deeply enslaved by spirits as you
23:52 can get without being insane, as deeply enslaved, but the
23:56 power of the Holy Spirit, the power of God is stronger than
24:00 that of Satan and Satan has to relinquish that power,
24:03 when the power of the Holy Spirit is at work,
24:06 but it's not easy.
24:07 The best thing - don't get involved with the New Age
24:10 paraphernalia to begin with but if you are, there's hope
24:12 and if there are parents watching this program, and
24:16 their sons or daughters or grandsons or granddaughters
24:19 are involved in New Age, they need to pray,
24:23 if necessary, for 16 years like my parents did.
24:26 If necessary, longer than 16 years, but God looks for an
24:30 opportunity and he works a miracle of deliverance.
24:34 JB: Will Barron, thank you very much for being a part
24:36 of today's program.
24:37 WB: Thank you for the opportunity to be here.
24:39 JB: You have written a magnificent book and you have
24:42 given a lot of people a couple of things today.
24:44 Light - this thing is real.
24:47 These spirits and their deceptions are very, very
24:50 real and we are being targeted, Christians are
24:54 being targeted.
24:55 You have helped us to know the safest thing is just to
24:56 stay away and there is a way out for those who are deceived.
24:58 WB: Yes.
24:59 JB: Thank you very much for that encouragement today.
25:02 We must pray and ask God's blessing on so many people
25:04 who have been affected by this New Age deception.
25:07 Let's pray together.
25:09 Our Father in heaven, we are grateful today that Jesus is
25:11 a mighty Saviour and a great deliverer.
25:16 And we thank you that Satan's plans need not triumph in the
25:19 life of any one person who might call out to you for
25:23 help and grace.
25:24 Father, I pray for those, pray for family members
25:27 who are caught up in this terrible web.
25:29 And I pray for those who themselves are stuck in this
25:31 place and know they ought not be there.
25:36 Let there be special grace and blessing and my people,
25:40 like Will, find their way out of the New Age and find their
25:44 way to Jesus Christ.
25:46 We thank you and we pray in Jesus' name, amen.
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27:40 I hope that you will join me next time as I speak to
27:42 Will Barron again about the way the New Age movement
27:47 has infiltrated christianity in very real ways.
27:49 Until then, remember Man shall not live by bread
27:57 alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.


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