Participants: Karen Thomas (Host), Gregg Baker
Series Code: IAADD
Program Code: IAADD000041A
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00:27 Welcome to Issues and Answers.
00:29 Today, our topic is the "The Widow's Son of Niles." 00:34 Did you know that according 00:35 to the population reference bureau 00:37 in the United States, 00:39 the number of children in single mother families 00:41 has risen drastically over the past four decades 00:45 causing considerable concern 00:46 among policy makers and the public. 00:49 The effects of growing up in single parent households 00:52 has been shown to go beyond economics, 00:55 increasing the risk of children dropping out of school, 00:57 disconnecting from the labor force 01:00 and becoming teen parents themselves. 01:02 Although many children 01:04 growing up in single parent family succeed, 01:06 others will face significant challenges 01:09 in making the transition to adulthood. 01:11 Children in lower income single parent families 01:14 face the most significant barriers 01:17 to success in school and the workforce. 01:21 Today, to talk about this issue is Mr. Gregg Baker, 01:25 he is a graduate of Andrews Academy, 01:28 as well as Indiana University with a degree in accounting 01:32 and he himself will share this incredible story 01:35 of "The Widow's Son of Niles". 01:38 Welcome to the program, Gregg. Thank you, Karen. 01:41 Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. 01:43 It's a real pleasure to have you here. 01:44 It's a pleasure being here. 01:46 Especially as my academy classmate... 01:49 That's right. From Andrews Academy. 01:51 That's right. 01:52 So where would you like to begin the story? 01:55 I guess, I'll begin as a young child in Niles. 02:00 Okay. 02:01 My mother was a widow 02:07 'cause I lost my father when I was 11 years old and... 02:12 Sorry to hear that. 02:13 Thank you, yeah, I'd spent a lot of years 02:15 as a child without a father but we made it, we made it. 02:20 What was your father like? 02:21 You remember your dad? 02:23 Yeah, my dad was a hard worker, a very hard worker 02:26 and I guess that's kind of where I got my drive 02:30 for working it from... 02:33 Right. 02:34 But my dad, all as I knew him, always held down two jobs... 02:38 Really? 02:39 He worked at a factory downtown and he worked as a yard man 02:43 and that kind of work for a doctor 02:47 down in Niles as well. 02:49 Well, and in addition to that, you guys had a farm. 02:53 We had a farm. How many acres? 02:55 Oh, boy, well, the biggest part of the farm 03:00 actually was about seven acres, 03:04 which is where our horses were kept 03:06 and that's where I live today. 03:08 Wow. Yes. 03:10 Okay. That's where I live today. 03:11 Well, so your dad... 03:13 He passed away when you were 11 years old. 03:15 When I was 11 years. 03:17 And did you have brothers or sisters? 03:18 I did, I had brothers and sisters, 03:21 and I was the youngest of all five children. 03:25 There was three boys and two girls and we... 03:31 My older brother, 03:32 next older brother was 14 when dad died 03:36 and we had to take care of all of the responsibilities 03:40 of the house. 03:41 So did your mother work outside the home 03:43 at that time? 03:44 She did, she was a school teacher. 03:45 Oh, okay. 03:47 So she had other responsibilities 03:51 outside the house. 03:52 Okay. 03:53 So the household immediately lost an income? 03:57 Yes, it did. Yes, it did. 03:58 And how did that feel? 04:00 Well, you know, at being 11 years old, 04:02 I don't know a whole lot about what goes on 04:04 with finance in the house but I know that it was tough, 04:08 it was very hard. 04:10 What was it like? 04:13 Well, we didn't have 04:16 what the things that we actually wanted 04:20 and sometimes, 04:21 didn't have the things that we needed. 04:23 But we were able to make ends meet. 04:27 Did you always have the clothes 04:29 that you needed for school at that time, 04:31 immediately after your dad passed away? 04:34 Did you have... 04:37 Yeah, well, it's interesting because when the economics 04:42 after that time fell, 04:44 it did effect me personally with, 04:48 having the clothes that I needed, 04:49 the food that was in the house, child care. 04:54 It was a big issue in our home and I often times 04:59 fell to the responsibilities of my sister 05:02 who was there to take care of me 05:05 and get me going in the morning 05:08 because mom had to work and mother had school to teach. 05:12 Right, so your sisters were the ones 05:14 that got you ready for school... 05:17 That's correct. And sent you off to school. 05:18 There you go, that's what. 05:19 And you were the baby in the family? 05:21 I'm the youngest, yes. 05:22 So as time, 05:24 What's the age difference between, 05:25 you know, the number of years 05:27 between your sisters and yourself? 05:29 Oh, boy. 05:31 Were they like much older than you? 05:32 Yeah, they were actually, 05:34 they took the place of my mother in care. 05:40 So I don't really remember 05:45 how many years, you know, it was 05:47 but I know that the responsibilities for me 05:53 getting up in the morning, getting my bath, 05:55 getting out of the house 05:58 and going down to catch the bus was sisters responsibility 06:04 because mother was teaching school. 06:06 So eventually, your sisters, they got married 06:09 'cause they were older than you, right? 06:11 Yes, they did, yeah. 06:12 And they moved outside of the house? 06:13 Yes, they moved downtown into another town 06:17 and as a married person, 06:19 they started their families there. 06:21 So how did that leave you then with your sisters gone, 06:25 how old were you about that time? 06:28 I was, see like I said, my father died when I was 11. 06:34 So that very well 06:37 could have been another seven, eight years later on. 06:39 So I could have been 17, of having basically 06:45 no guidance, no care, no, 06:50 nothing to do for my family, 06:56 which was then, my mother and I. 07:00 You were on your own? I was on my own. 07:02 I was completely on my own. 07:04 Kind of, raising yourself at that point 'cause mom was... 07:06 Yes, right, at 17, 18... 07:08 At 17. Yeah. 07:09 So I'm just gonna kind of reflect on some of the things 07:12 that I remember about you and that was, you had a car, 07:16 nobody had a car. 07:18 Yeah, I did. How did that happen? 07:20 I had a gold Gremlin. Right. 07:24 You remember those cars? Right. 07:25 Yeah. 07:26 I'm taking myself, so let's not say that too much. 07:29 Okay, all right, all right. 07:30 No, yeah, I did, I had a car 07:33 because living out in the country, 07:35 you know, with the farm there, if you didn't have a car, 07:39 you didn't go anywhere at all. 07:40 So you had to have a car 07:42 and that's how you had to get around, 07:45 it was your own work, 07:50 your own transportation. 07:52 Right, so now you were now out of Niles... 07:54 Right. 07:56 And you were going to Andrews Academy which is, 07:58 what about 30 minutes away? 08:00 About, yeah. About 25-30 minutes away. 08:02 And during the snow it's... 08:04 It's cold and it's very dangerous... 08:06 Right. 08:07 And it's very hard to get around. 08:09 So how did your family get the car? 08:11 How did you get the car, did you work to get the car? 08:14 I did, I worked. What kind of work did you do? 08:16 I worked summers with a neighbor who had a farm 08:21 and I baled hay all summer long and... 08:25 So you paid for your own car? 08:26 I pretty much paid for my own car. 08:28 Yes, yes. Wow. 08:30 So you worked... 08:31 And hay baling is very hard work. 08:32 Really? 08:34 What does that involve, for those who are not familiar 08:35 with the farm life? 08:36 Oh, what is in about, 08:38 you have to get the hay off the wagon, 08:42 off the baler 08:43 and you had to put it on the wagon 08:45 and stack that up 08:46 and then you have to take the wagon 08:48 and take it to the barn 08:49 and put this with the hay in the barn. 08:51 So there was an helper that was working there too, 08:55 who drove the tractor, I pulled the hay off the baler 09:00 and stacked it up and he drove the tractors. 09:03 So he had the easier job. 09:05 Now I understand at Niles, Michigan, there are, 09:08 it's kind of, like the end of the underground railroad 09:10 in some ways and there are lot of black, 09:12 African-American farmers that have land... 09:15 Yes. Over the years. 09:16 Yes. 09:18 How did your dad come to get that land, 09:20 the seven acres? 09:21 He worked for it. He worked for it? 09:22 He worked for it and he was working, as I said, 09:25 he worked in the factory downtown, 09:27 so he and my mom saved their money 09:30 and they bought the land 09:31 and he built the 250 foot barn there 09:37 and raised horses there and... 09:39 Wow. That was a lot of work. 09:42 So when your dad passed away, did you keep all of that? 09:46 Did you keep the farm, did you keep the land, 09:48 did you keep the horses? 09:49 Yeah, we did. 09:50 We kept all of those things 09:52 because that was the, 09:55 those were the things that I had to do was, 09:58 to take care of the farm 10:00 and take care of the horses and get them down the road 10:06 because see, we also had to sell the horses later on 10:10 because we were the only ones there... 10:12 Right. 10:13 So we actually had to sell the horses 10:16 but that was later on, 10:18 that was actually when my sisters, 10:20 after they got out and they got married. 10:24 So that could have been, 10:25 you know, six or seven years later on. 10:26 So you grew up with the horses 10:28 and what kinds of things did you raise in the farm? 10:32 Did you grow anything or... 10:34 Yeah, we had a very big farm. You did? 10:36 Yeah, as we call-- What kind of crops such as? 10:39 What kind of crops, right? 10:41 A truck farm as you can call. What's a truck farm? 10:43 A truck farm is when you get all of the things 10:47 out of the garden that you have harvested 10:50 and you get them on the truck 10:52 and you take them down to the corner 10:54 and then you sell them there. 10:56 So who was doing all that work? That was me. 10:58 You? That was me. 11:00 What about your brothers, 11:01 were they around or had they left? 11:02 No, my brothers weren't around then, 11:05 it was pretty much me 11:06 and whoever else I could get to help me. 11:12 And how did you manage doing all of that 11:14 and go to school? 11:15 Did you have to drop out at some point? 11:17 No, I never had to drop out but it was a long day, 11:22 it was a long day at work. 11:24 What time did your day start? 11:25 Oh, somewhere early about 6 o'clock in the morning 11:29 and then I'd have to do all the chores of today 11:31 and of the farm and the garden and then go to school 11:37 and then after school, I come back 11:38 and I would work it some more, 11:40 another two, three hours till dark and... 11:45 How did you study for school? 11:47 Yeah, well, that I had to fit there in somewhere 11:49 and I probably should have done a whole lot better 11:51 than I did but... 11:52 Seriously, Gregg, okay, 11:54 you had to get up in the morning 11:55 and run up farm by yourself as a teenager... 11:58 Yeah. I think you did pretty well. 12:00 Well, it was because of the, 12:03 there was God's grace that got me through. 12:05 Amen. Amen. 12:07 Yeah. So... 12:08 And those of us, we didn't know that. 12:11 We didn't know, we just saw you coming, 12:12 you know, with your car to school... 12:14 Yeah. 12:16 We're like, Gregg is hot stuff 12:17 and you played a meme game of basketball. 12:20 Yeah, I did, I did try to... 12:21 How did you manage to perfect your basketball game, 12:22 in the meanwhile, 12:24 running the whole farm as a teenager? 12:25 Well, practice, practice, practice-- 12:27 Your mom didn't do anything with the farm? 12:28 No, she didn't. 12:29 She was not really, so it was your dad 12:31 who was the outdoor guy? 12:32 Yes. 12:33 And your mom was the school teacher? 12:35 The school teacher, yeah. 12:36 So it really all fell on you... 12:38 Yeah, yeah, it all fell on me and my brother for, 12:42 you know, as much as he could help 12:44 and other people who would be a part of our lives, 12:46 that would help as well... 12:48 From time to time. From time to time, yeah. 12:49 So you had a plan, did you have the plan? 12:52 Plan what crops you are gonna sow and all that? 12:54 Oh, yeah, we've decided... How did you do that, Gregg? 12:57 We decided early within the season 12:59 what to plant and... 13:01 Did you work with the farm agent 13:03 or anything like that or? 13:05 No, it was pretty much whatever we knew, 13:08 whatever we knew is what we depended on 13:11 to get the farm going. 13:13 What'd you raise? 13:14 Oh, boy, we've raised corn and I mentioned corn first 13:18 because I really love corn so... 13:21 Really? Oh, yeah. 13:22 So-- That Michigan sweet corn. 13:24 Oh, yes. Yeah. 13:25 Yes, it is, corn is good and we had... 13:28 How did you plant it? 13:29 Did you have machines or were you out there, 13:30 just individually planting the corn? 13:32 One seed at a time. 13:34 You know, the Bible speaks of a story about a woman, 13:40 her son and Jesus, in Luke 7. 13:43 Luke 7, okay. 13:45 What verse? Verse 11. 13:47 Okay. 13:49 "He so I guess was talking about Jesus, 13:51 "went into a city called Nain, 13:53 and many of His disciples went with Him. 13:55 And when He came near the gate of the city, 13:58 behold, a dead man was being carried out, 14:00 the only son of a mother and she was a widow. 14:04 And a large crowd from the city was with her. 14:07 When the Lord saw her, He had compassion on her 14:10 and said, "Do not weep." 14:13 Then He came and touched the open coffin, 14:15 and those who carried with him stood still. 14:18 And He said, 'Young man, I say to you, arise.'" 14:22 Wow. 14:23 "So he who was dead sat up and began to speak. 14:27 And He presented him to his mother." 14:31 Jesus presented him to his mother. 14:33 Yes. 14:34 And so what I'm saying, 14:36 what I'm trying to help you understand 14:39 is that story reminds me of me. 14:42 I wasn't dead 14:45 but I was still a player in this story. 14:48 Right. 14:50 How does that remind you of your life, 14:53 this particular story? 14:54 And how do you think, what do you think 14:56 would be helpful for other young men 14:58 who are being raised by their mothers? 15:01 Well, yeah, the best thing that I can tell you 15:05 is it reminds me 15:06 because this story really was about 15:08 a mother and her son. 15:11 Like in my story with you 15:13 is really about my mother and me 15:16 and there are a lot of people 15:19 who have single parent household. 15:22 There are a lot of single parent households. 15:24 Right. 15:25 And there are a lot of people 15:27 that are being raised by their mother 15:29 and often times, these are young men 15:31 who are raised by their mother just as I was. 15:35 So that's how the story, kind of, reminds me of me. 15:40 So what I wanted to help you understand is that 15:45 there are single parents out there, 15:48 who are raising their young sons 15:52 and there are sons out there 15:53 who are being raised by their single parents. 15:55 How was it for you, once you hit your teen years, 15:59 what was it like not having your dad 16:01 and your mom, 16:02 what kind of relationship did you guys have? 16:05 Well, my mom... 16:07 Obviously, she had all of the responsibilities 16:09 of a large family, 16:12 of which I was just the one member of it 16:16 at this time 16:17 because the other sisters and brothers 16:19 had kind of moved on... 16:20 Right. 16:22 So I was young and that was the responsibility 16:25 that my mother accepted and she took it very well. 16:31 But let me read you the rest of the story. 16:33 Okay. 16:35 "Then fear came upon all, and they glorified God, saying, 16:39 'A great prophet has risen up among us' 16:41 and, 'God has visited His people.' 16:45 What does that mean to you? 16:46 This last part of the story? 16:49 Well, that God is in this story still, 16:52 even though it doesn't reference Him earlier on, 16:56 it just is, only just the two sentences. 16:59 Right. 17:01 The, "Young man, I say to you" and "Do not weep." 17:05 But God is still in this story 17:08 just like God is still in our lives... 17:11 Our young people's lives, we are still in God's will 17:17 and that's what it spoke to me that God is still in the story. 17:23 So a young person, a young man 17:26 that's been raised by a single mother, 17:29 you're saying that 17:30 they're still within the will of God. 17:32 They still are in the will of God, yeah. 17:33 Someone may have told them that they're in accident 17:36 but they're still within... 17:38 They're still in the will of God. 17:39 The will of God. 17:41 It's really what God depends for us 17:43 is what's important. 17:44 What do you mean by that? What God depends for us? 17:48 Well, when we live our lives, we don't, 17:53 we think that it's only by chance but it's not. 17:58 It's what God wants for us, 18:01 is what God is to be praised for. 18:05 Amen. 18:06 So you took your responsibilities on, 18:08 in your life as God's will? 18:11 Yes. 18:13 Did you have any other men in your life coming along 18:17 that helped you along the way? 18:19 Well, you know, I still had my brothers 18:21 who were there still in my life 18:23 but they weren't really a part of my every day life 18:27 because they were, kind of, moved on. 18:30 So I also had my sisters, you know, who had married. 18:35 Right, your brother-in-laws? 18:36 The brother-in-laws, they were a part of my life. 18:37 Did they teach you anything? 18:39 Yes, they did, they taught me a lot. 18:40 What did they teach you? 18:41 They taught me a lot of things of responsibility. 18:45 Like what? 18:47 They'd teach you how to work a budget, 18:49 of course, you kind of knew that already... 18:50 Yeah, I was... In a farm. 18:52 Yeah, I was taught that really in class. 18:55 Oh, so you learned that from the school? 18:57 I learnt that from school, yeah. 18:59 But they taught me responsibilities 19:02 of taking care of my mother 19:04 and taking care of our home and our family. 19:07 Wow. 19:09 That's pretty amazing, how about a church? 19:11 Were there manage church 19:12 that took you like, over the weekends, 19:15 did you spend weekends with other people, 19:17 other men, who mentored you? 19:18 No, those were a program 19:21 that really was outside of our church 19:24 and happened in other kids lives 19:29 but not really in mine, not mine, no. 19:31 So you really didn't have all of that, 19:33 you didn't have a whole a lot of nurturing? 19:35 No, I didn't. What about teachers at school? 19:37 Yeah, there were teachers 19:38 that were in my life a little bit 19:42 but not necessarily everyday, you know. 19:45 So you learned to play basketball? 19:47 Yes, I did. 19:49 Were you able to use basketball to kind of help you cope 19:52 with some of these pressures 19:53 that you had in responsibilities? 19:55 Yeah, sports played 19:56 a very important part of my life 19:58 'cause I, you know, 20:00 I'm not trying to brag but I was pretty good. 20:02 Yeah. 20:03 And I learned a lot of lessons from those sports because, 20:09 you know, a sport really is a team of, in my case, 20:14 basketball team of young men who got together 20:17 and all with one common goal and as a family, 20:21 you have to have a common goal. 20:24 So sports did help me there, yeah. 20:27 How much time did you dedicate playing basketball? 20:30 Well, according to my mother, it was too much time 20:35 because she would say to me, 20:37 "You bounce that ball too much." 20:40 But in my own life I would think, 20:43 "Yeah, that I did probably bounce the ball too much." 20:46 So I had to listen, I only learned those lessons 20:50 later on in life that what I should have done, 20:53 I didn't do, but what I did do is, 20:58 kind of, lot of times what I shouldn't have done. 21:00 So how did you go on to, go to college, you know, 21:03 lot of young men, according to the statistics 21:06 that we mentioned earlier in the program, 21:09 they are at risk, significantly at risk, 21:12 to drop out of high school... 21:14 Yeah. 21:16 You didn't drop out of high school? 21:17 No, I didn't and I credit a lot of the government 21:22 for creating programs for me because... 21:25 Like what kind of programs? 21:27 When you're on a single parent house, 21:31 you get assistance from the government, 21:34 from up until a certain age 21:37 to be able to handle those responsibilities of, 21:40 a father being gone or a parent being gone. 21:43 Are you saying, you mean the finances? 21:44 Yeah. You got financial help? 21:45 Yeah, right. 21:47 Or were there are like after school programs 21:48 or any other programs that you participated in? 21:50 No, those after school programs were done either by me... 21:55 You were on your own at after school program? 21:57 I was on my own at after school program. 21:58 By me or me and my sister. 22:01 Often times, my sister, I remember, cried at the door, 22:06 at the window of our house when I would go after school, 22:10 getting on the bus 22:11 because she had the responsibility 22:14 of being the mother with a little boy 22:17 that she really didn't raise. 22:19 Wow. 22:21 That she had to. 22:22 That she had to, yeah, yeah. And to see you off at school. 22:26 Yes, and to see me after school. 22:29 I'm gonna ask you now, 22:30 we're gonna trans this in just a little bit. 22:32 Okay. 22:33 And the latter part of that scripture 22:35 where you said, you liked the part 22:37 where God has visited His people. 22:39 Yes. 22:41 Having had your up bringing 22:43 and pretty much raising yourself, 22:45 how did God visit your life after that experience? 22:50 As I became an adult, 22:51 God really had to become a part of my life. 22:54 I mean, He didn't have to but I had to have, 22:56 I had to allow Him to be a part of my life 23:00 because I couldn't get through life without Him. 23:04 I could not get to where I am today 23:07 because without Him. 23:08 Wow, so you went to college, 23:14 Indiana University 23:16 and a special person came into your life? 23:19 Yes, she did. 23:21 Who was that? 23:22 Well, in 1983, 23:25 I had the pleasure of marrying Diane. 23:28 Oh. 23:29 Yes, and Diane became a big part of my life. 23:33 Wow, how long have you guys been married now? 23:35 We have been married since 32 years. 23:40 32 years? 32 years. 23:42 So all of that lessons that you've learned growing up 23:45 about responsibility, 23:47 all that advice that had been given to you by other men, 23:50 you've now been able to put it 23:51 into a successful life yourself, 23:53 25 years doing accounting and you have two children? 23:57 I have two children. What are they doing? 23:59 My two children are a joy to my life. 24:03 That I have a daughter 24:04 who is studying to be a doctor... 24:08 Wow. 24:09 And a son who is a film and video editor. 24:14 Oh, that's cool. Yes, yes. 24:15 It's very cool. 24:17 So I understand, according to your wife's report 24:19 that you carried on the skills 24:21 that you learned as young man into building your house? 24:25 I did, I often times tell people 24:29 that I have the things that, 24:31 I have the talent and skill that I have 24:34 because of my father teaching me how to build 24:38 and I actually ended up building our house completely. 24:42 Really, from the ground up? From the ground up. 24:44 How did you do that? 24:46 Your wife says that you read out of the menu. 24:50 I read a book. You read a book? 24:52 I read a book and built a house. 24:53 Really? Yes, I read a book. 24:55 How big was the house? Five bedrooms. 24:57 That's a big house. Yes, it is. 24:59 It's a very large home, very large home. 25:01 So sounds like God really visited you? 25:04 Yes, He did. Yes, He did. 25:06 In a major way 25:07 and gave you incredible, incredible 25:09 talents and skills... 25:11 He took all of those experiences 25:13 that you had from your life and then just blessed you 25:17 to be able to build a house for your entire family 25:20 and others, five bedrooms. 25:22 Well, I realize that if God was not a part of my life, 25:25 I would not be here today. 25:27 Wow. 25:28 So yes, He was, God did visit us, 25:31 His people and me, in particular. 25:34 So I guess now at this stage, 25:35 in your life coming down the way, 25:37 you're looking forward to grandchildren? 25:41 Not yet. Not yet? 25:42 Not yet. But at some point. 25:43 At some point in time, yes. You may be a grandpappy? 25:46 I might be one day eventually, but right now, my kids are, 25:50 I stay with my kids, you know, but they're 20 or so, 25:53 20 some years old, they're not kids anymore... 25:56 Right. One day... 25:58 Hard to say that, isn't it? Yeah, it is, it is, it is. 26:02 They are going to have children one day 26:04 and I'll be a grandfather and hopefully, 26:07 I'll be able to pass along to them 26:08 what it is that they need to get through life, 26:12 like somebody did for me. 26:14 Praise God, 26:16 and for the young men who're watching right now, 26:19 what could you speak into their life, 26:21 what could you say for them? 26:23 Hold on to God's hand... Hold on to God's hand. 26:26 That's the best, the best, 26:28 the best advice that I can give them 26:30 is to hold onto God's hand 26:32 because He is the only answer to these issues 26:37 and these problems, 26:38 as life gets more and more and more difficult, 26:44 it's only God's hand that will get us through. 26:48 That will get us through. Yes. 26:49 Would you offer a prayer please 26:51 to close out our program, Gregg? 26:52 I will do that, thank you. Okay. 26:55 Our Father in heaven, 26:56 we thank you so much for the blessings 26:57 that you have given us. 26:59 Lord, we thank you for giving us the opportunities 27:02 that you have provided for us 27:04 and, Lord, we know that it's only 27:07 because of your leading and guiding in our lives... 27:10 That we are able to get through day by day... 27:14 Yes. 27:15 Lord, we thank you for what you have done for us 27:18 and we pray that as we take each step, 27:20 that you'll be with us, in front of us, 27:23 behind us and beside us, 27:25 helping us and leading us and telling us which way to go. 27:32 Lord, we pray that your blessings will be upon us 27:35 and help us, Lord, if each and everyday. 27:41 In Jesus name I pray, Amen. 27:44 Amen, amen, 27:45 thank you so much for coming to the program, Gregg... 27:47 Thank you, Karen. 27:48 And for sharing your story, I really appreciate it, 27:50 we certainly hope that today's program offers hope 27:54 that there is a God who sees us, 27:57 who's in the midst and is able to resurrect 28:00 what is dead into life in your life. 28:03 Never forget, hold on, 28:05 don't let go, God will carry you through. 28:08 God bless, have a great day. |
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