Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Cynthia Powell-Hicks
Series Code: IAA
Program Code: IAA000438
00:01 In today's society there is a lot of
00:03 bullying and peer pressure that goes on
00:05 for teenagers. And believe it or not
00:06 this is something that can lead to depression.
00:09 We're gonna be continuing our series
00:11 on depression with Dr. Cynthia
00:13 Powell-Hicks. Please join us.
00:39 Thanks for tuning in again today
00:42 and I believe this is going to be a program
00:44 that will help you recognize some
00:48 important matters in your life perhaps
00:50 in yours teens life, your children
00:52 or your grandchildren and also in our home.
00:55 But before we began, there is a scripture
00:57 that I want to read because this is one of
01:00 my favorite promises in the Bible.
01:02 It's comes from Psalm 3:3 and it says,
01:04 You, O LORD, are a shield for me; my glory,
01:09 and the one who lifts up my head.
01:13 No matter how far down you think
01:16 you're right now. God can still cup his hand
01:19 under your chin till your face heavenward
01:22 and he can bring you up out of that
01:25 pit of depression. Please help me
01:28 welcome our special guest
01:30 Dr. Cynthia Powell-Hicks and Cynthia
01:33 thank you so much for returning.
01:35 Oh thanks for having me it was such delight
01:37 the last time I was here. Well you have a
01:40 PhD in clinical psychology
01:42 and you've done a lot of work in your life
01:45 with actually a good part of your career
01:48 has been dedicated to you. You tell us
01:51 about that. Yes, I was a psychologist,
01:54 I had private practice for six years
01:57 and I worked with children that had
01:59 clinical depression as well as I specialized
02:03 working with abused children.
02:04 Why do you think that we see so much?
02:08 I mean truly today we're hearing more and more
02:11 the teen suicide rate is that the second leading
02:15 cause of death in teens or the first leading
02:17 cause? For the females, it's definitely
02:20 the first, yeah, it's the first leading cause
02:22 of death. Now see for most of us that seem
02:25 incomprehensible. Why, why are so many teens
02:29 getting clinically depressed and to that
02:32 point of feeling hopeless?
02:34 And then I just want to clarify,
02:35 you know the leading cause is because
02:37 I also include when teens are using drugs
02:41 and using alcohol because that is the
02:43 form of, you know, self destructive behavior,
02:45 which does lead to suicide and then they
02:47 have the DUIs, they have the auto accidents,
02:49 so I see it all and check together.
02:52 The teens now, it's really a rough time
02:54 for teen's especially Christian teens trying
02:57 to adhere to what they have learned
03:00 all their lives and then go off to public schools
03:02 or even in our own schools because
03:04 of the peer pressure. The people,
03:07 adults want to be accepted and teens
03:10 definitely want to be cool and accepted
03:12 and not rejected. They don't want to be
03:16 classified as nerds, I had a patient say
03:19 I don't want to do well in school.
03:21 You know because I don't want to be
03:23 classified as a nerd. Oh. Yeah,
03:25 I said a nerd just to learn in the classes
03:28 so that you can get out of school.
03:29 And then sometimes as I mentioned earlier
03:31 they will self-medicate, they will use
03:34 the marijuana. They will use excessive;
03:36 they will use the alcohol to cope
03:39 with the depression or the lack of connecting
03:43 with others. Well we know that
03:45 with the popularity of these internet sites
03:50 such as facebook and various ones that are
03:54 now available. There has been a lot of
03:57 cyber bullying where people are saying
03:59 nasty things about others and putting it
04:02 in print, lot of times it isn't true,
04:04 but they have this bullying in what kind,
04:06 what affect does bullying have on a
04:11 teenage mind. It's devastating.
04:14 I mean, we see it in the news all the time
04:16 and then the most heinous that I just
04:18 recently saw where the mother
04:20 was the one doing it. When adults started
04:23 hacking our youth, you know,
04:25 we are really having issues and really
04:26 having problems, but our youth that are having
04:32 this or teens that are having this
04:34 they are actually believing
04:36 what's happening or what they are
04:37 actually saying about them.
04:38 So a person that might be marginal
04:41 with the self image anyway because,
04:42 you know, that's kind of an awkward face of life
04:44 if we can remember back to that stage,
04:46 you now. Our hair, our teeth, our skin,
04:48 you know it so. So then when people are saying
04:50 something that you've been thinking
04:54 about yourself and then now it's on cyberspace
04:57 or say you send a picture of yourself,
04:59 you texting it to someone else
05:01 so they can see. How you look in this
05:03 particular outfit or you know how your face
05:06 or hair is looking and then they can just
05:07 store it, they can send it to the world
05:09 and that can be very devastating.
05:11 So something that you just want to share
05:13 with the friend or with one or two people
05:14 now is throughout the nation. Yeah. See
05:17 I think that's the one thing that teens
05:19 and adults like do not even stop to consider
05:22 is that everything that you put on these
05:25 chat rooms and these internet sites
05:27 once it's in cyberspace, it's there forever.
05:30 There is no bringing it back. And so
05:32 you don't really want to get on to these kind
05:36 of social networking groups
05:37 and share your most intimate details
05:40 of your life because you may regret
05:41 at the next day. Now I know that sometimes
05:45 just expectations, a parental expectations
05:48 can put enough pressure on teen to make them
05:54 feel like they can never be good enough
05:57 as well, so. Yes you're right because
06:00 adults definitely have high standards
06:02 for their children. You know they want them
06:04 to achieve, they want them to be bigger
06:06 and better than what they possibly
06:08 were coming up and sometimes people
06:11 will compare their youth to other youths
06:13 or you know, a classic examples when you see
06:16 a seven year old violinist and you have
06:19 an 18-year-old, who has been in violin classes
06:21 ever since you know elementary school
06:23 and the seven year old has head and shoulders
06:25 you know better. So it's how you process that
06:29 and it all goes back to the self-esteem
06:31 because I see patients that have that real good
06:34 self image with real good core.
06:36 They just say yeah they are just so crazy.
06:38 How could they say this about me?
06:39 You know it did hurt me for a minute,
06:42 but you know my parents and I
06:44 or my pastor and I, we talked about it
06:45 or my Sabbath school leader, you know,
06:47 we talked about it and they tell me you know,
06:50 they are just jealous of me or whatever.
06:52 However, they can package us so that
06:54 they can cope with what they have heard
06:57 is what we really try to help them in therapy
07:01 because if not then the other side of it is
07:03 you know they get the helplessness,
07:05 the hopelessness, the tearfulness,
07:07 the withdrawing from society,
07:10 not wanting to interact in any activities
07:13 no matter how fun they might be.
07:14 And then you can almost misdiagnose
07:18 some of your male patients that have
07:22 this feeling of being bully because
07:24 then instead of them internalizing it,
07:30 they'll start lashing out,
07:31 they'll be your gang leaders,
07:33 they'll be the once that are starting
07:36 to bully other people. You know,
07:38 so that they'll start feeling better
07:40 about themselves as they are taking
07:42 other people down. They'll look clinically
07:44 as a conduct disorder. So, generally speaking
07:48 I've always thought that bullies are
07:49 very insecure people. So you are saying that
07:52 if someone is bullied that's very likely to
07:55 make them enter into that cycle of behavior,
07:59 where they begin bullying because
08:01 they are very insecure. Definitely.
08:03 Okay, so let's go over some of the symptoms
08:06 because you maybe watching from home
08:08 and wondering is my teen, is my son,
08:11 my daughter, my grandchild
08:13 are they suffering from signs of what could be
08:17 considered clinical depression.
08:19 Let's talk about the signs of depression.
08:22 I think you brought along an inventory,
08:27 inventory here, from time to time
08:29 we use different inventories which
08:31 would be just questions that you would
08:32 ask of people. I have used the beck depression
08:36 scale before but this one here is the burns
08:39 inventory and it has different categories
08:40 which is talking about thoughts and feelings,
08:43 activities and personal relationships
08:46 and physical symptoms because sometimes
08:48 our physical. You know we may just think
08:50 we just have headache or chest pains.
08:51 There are lot of people running into the
08:53 hospital now and I hate to say even therapists
08:55 are running into the hospital with thinking
08:58 that they had a heart attack because
08:59 they have the chest pains. And
09:01 I don't want to simplify or trivialize it,
09:03 but it is anxiety or they are actually having
09:07 a panic attack so some. Now these
09:08 and burns depression checklist,
09:10 this would be used for teens and adults.
09:13 Definitely yes. Okay. So you would want to know
09:15 how are they feeling, are they feeling sad,
09:18 are they unhappy, are they having blues,
09:20 melancholy. Sometimes people don't
09:22 even know that the feelings that
09:23 they are having are depressed type feeling.
09:26 They just know that they are not feeling normal
09:28 or they are crying a lot. And I'm not saying
09:30 that, you know, they saw sad movie,
09:32 they start crying if they lost their dog
09:33 or whatever, if someone say something bad
09:35 about them they are crying.
09:36 It's excessive, excessive crying.
09:38 Okay. So, we look at frequencies
09:40 do they feel hopeless, discouraged,
09:43 yeah their levels of self-esteem,
09:46 do they have guilt, that's one thing
09:48 we as Christians sometimes we'll hold on
09:50 to a lot of guilt and shame. And this one
09:53 here number 7, feeling worthless or inadequate.
09:56 I know that there is a lot of Christians,
09:58 it seems who have some how and hopefully
10:01 it's not that it doesn't have to be the parents
10:05 have taught them that we are worthless
10:07 and inadequate as for as Lord is concerned
10:10 or maybe the church hasn't thought them,
10:11 but some how they process this that
10:14 I'm not worthy of God's love, I'm inadequate,
10:17 I can never do enough and they have
10:19 got in the whole picture is skewed
10:22 and its out of balance if you will of course,
10:25 yes, yeah and I always get worried
10:27 when I hear preaches and I'm a PK myself.
10:30 So, when I say this I'm not criticizing
10:33 the pastors or Chaplin Charles, yeah I could
10:36 I was sitting in one service,
10:38 where the pastor was trying to make a point
10:40 and I understood the point, but I thought
10:41 if we have a borderline person here
10:43 or someone is having some real issues
10:45 they would live feeling really bad saying that
10:47 we are sinners, we are worthless,
10:49 we are as low as a roach. You know,
10:51 I'm also glad you brought that because
10:54 I know what people are trying to say
10:58 when they say we are worthless,
10:59 but I beg the differ. I think the word
11:01 we should use is we are undeserving,
11:03 but as far as our worth to God we were worth
11:07 nothing less than the price that he paid
11:09 for us, paid his life yeah,
11:11 with his own precious blood, that's right.
11:13 So, God puts great value on.
11:15 He puts great value on you and if anybody
11:19 told you, you are worthless believe me
11:21 that is a lie of the devil because
11:23 you're worth a lot to God. Now are we
11:26 undeserving of everything he has done
11:28 for us? Yes. But he thinks you're worth
11:32 a lot. Definitely, so thank you for bringing
11:34 that out here, yes definitely.
11:36 Let's see and if you have difficulties
11:39 making decisions and I will just give
11:41 you an example, sometimes when I am
11:43 so overwhelmed, you know, I'm packing
11:45 I don't know exactly where I am going
11:46 but I know someone told me,
11:48 they are picking me up, they are taking me
11:49 to the airport, I am going to be somewhere.
11:50 I won't make decisions because at that moment,
11:53 I am so overwhelmed with what is going to happen
11:56 in the future. If anyone asks me
11:58 what the date of the day was at that time,
12:00 I would probably not give the accurate date.
12:03 So that just sometimes, you just have
12:04 to sit back and say I can make a decision
12:07 today, yes. And in this point,
12:09 I want to leave this one out is criticizing
12:11 yourself or blaming yourself,
12:13 which we see and even just that type of
12:17 behavior can lead you into a depression.
12:20 Okay that's the thoughts and feelings
12:22 on the inventory, the activities
12:24 and personal relationships. Yeah,
12:26 loss of interest in family and friends
12:28 or with colleagues, loneliness because
12:31 we're really concerned about you are
12:33 not wanting to isolate yourself because
12:35 when you are isolating yourself you thinking
12:37 those same thoughts over and over and over
12:39 again that you are worthless,
12:41 you are hopeless, I'm not gonna get
12:44 any better, I must be the way that
12:46 I'm feeling because, you know,
12:48 I am looking so bad or people are shunning me
12:51 or people like with teens they have all
12:53 this out on the internet, you know,
12:55 about me. And then those thoughts
12:56 all the sudden that's all you are hearing
12:58 is amplifying. You know over and over again
13:01 and that's what could really lead to
13:02 major depression and suicide.
13:04 Loss of interest in work and activities
13:07 and we're not just saying you have
13:09 worked an 80 hour a day, you know
13:11 I mean 80 hour a week and you just
13:13 don't want to go to one more recital
13:16 or one more church event. It's not that
13:19 it is the excess that you really
13:21 couldn't get out of bed even if you wanted to,
13:23 you couldn't just sling that
13:24 one later, just like no motivation, that's,
13:26 that's what we are talking about.
13:27 Loss of pleasure or satisfaction in life
13:30 and that's the one that I really look at because
13:32 if you have no more satisfaction
13:35 and you can't find one thing that can really
13:38 make you smile or get you out of bed
13:40 or make you want to share something
13:41 with others that let's me know that
13:44 you are probably starting to think of
13:48 other things, you know, other alternatives,
13:50 which would be suicide. Right
13:52 and the physical symptoms.
13:53 Just normal ones which we have said before
13:56 feeling sad or tired. Yeah, sleeping too much
14:00 or sleeping too little and the sleep pattern,
14:03 you know, has a lot to do with it
14:04 and I just want to make this point
14:07 because I see it so frequently in women
14:10 my age that if you are going through
14:13 the change of life and of course men
14:14 do as well. Men can suffer a
14:17 sleep disturbance from loss of testosterone,
14:19 women can suffer sleep disturbance
14:22 from loss of estrogen. So you always
14:27 and you pointed this out when you were here
14:29 before that we always need to have a
14:31 medical exam, definitely, to make
14:34 certain that what we are feeling is not just
14:40 something that's happening in the
14:42 brain chemistry, but it could be something
14:44 that is physiological and affecting mind.
14:47 Yes, okay, you are absolutely right
14:49 and worried about your health,
14:51 being like the hypochondriac.
14:53 Like if you watch something on TV,
14:54 I must have it, something like that,
14:57 alright. And now we get to the really
15:01 most severe case and that suicidal urges.
15:05 Do you have the thoughts of doing it?
15:08 Would you like to end your life?
15:09 Do you have a plan, which you know
15:12 I had discussed earlier like if someone
15:14 has just kind of awaken and said it's
15:16 the bad day, I don't want to get up,
15:17 I don't want to live versus someone
15:19 that says oh I have this cabinet full of
15:22 medication or I have the shorten in the closet,
15:24 let me clean it or let me you know see
15:26 what I can do or someone that has just said
15:31 oh I hurt someone, you know, cut themselves
15:34 in this manner and you know blood was released
15:38 and so they kill themselves or someone
15:41 that has actually made the attempt.
15:43 I had a patient. She was only 16-year-old.
15:46 God bless her soul and she is so depressed,
15:49 she started taking up cutting and so once
15:53 I was able to really start working with her
15:55 to see why would she mutilate her body
15:58 and I mean she has keloids. So she has,
16:02 I mean huge, huge black tracks all up and down
16:06 her arm and the keloids further raised
16:09 and so she wears a long sleeves,
16:11 but when you look at the sleeves,
16:12 you just asking why are you handling
16:15 your depression and your grief in this manner
16:17 and she just says that her heart hurts
16:21 so bad and she is so heavy with pain
16:24 that to cut herself releases the pain
16:28 and that pain helps her heart
16:30 and helps her process. And actually
16:32 physiologically they proven that when
16:34 you do that there is a release of endorphin.
16:36 So it's like people who had tattoos
16:39 all over them, yes, they get you can actually
16:42 become addicted to being tattooed because
16:45 that pain releases endorphin.
16:48 So you often will see that people
16:50 who have been on drug addictions,
16:52 well if they start coming off drugs
16:54 or maybe started doing a lot of tattoos.
16:56 There is something if I can, oh I know
17:00 the point I wanted to make, was that,
17:02 when I was early on in ministry.
17:05 I mean this was the first few months of
17:08 full-time ministry. I remember that
17:10 I was leading a, I was preaching in five
17:14 different cities each week, oh well,
17:15 and in one place there were only there
17:19 about 45 women, who were coming
17:20 and there was the host. The host just asked
17:24 if I would speak with this one woman
17:27 after we had finished the meeting and I did
17:30 and found out that she had saved her pills.
17:33 She was planning on committing suicide
17:36 and but after the two hour meeting she said.
17:39 Oh you know it's like how the Lord has spoken
17:42 to me and I realize that this is wrong
17:45 and I prayed with her and I said
17:46 now you promise me you are gonna go home
17:48 and dump those down the toilet,
17:51 which I found that's not a good idea
17:52 because it puts into the system,
17:55 the water system, but I said get rid of
17:58 those pills, you tell your parents.
18:00 She was still living with her parents,
18:02 she is about 26. And she said oh yes
18:05 the Lord has touched me and she was
18:07 so convincing. She so convinced me that
18:11 this thought that she had,
18:14 this abnormal thought had gone that God
18:16 had delivered her of this.
18:19 She so convinced me that I was satisfied,
18:22 we prayed. I was satisfied in the
18:25 next morning, they called to tell me
18:27 that she called, this hostess in the middle
18:30 of the night, she taken all those pills.
18:31 So I learned a lesson, you know,
18:34 what I would to done if I had it all to do
18:36 over again I would have gone home with her.
18:39 I would have seized the medication,
18:41 informed her parents, I would have told
18:44 the police even maybe. The point I'm trying
18:47 to bring up is, when someone starts
18:50 speaking of suicide, even if they have been
18:53 talking about it for a longtime, in a long way
18:56 and you think rather never going to do it.
18:58 We need to take this seriously, don't we?
19:00 I really I'm so glad that you brought
19:02 that up, definitely, because lots of times
19:05 people even if they tell you that
19:08 they are going to be okay. They have been
19:10 thinking about this for years or for months
19:13 and they just waiting for the opportunity,
19:15 but praise the Lord that you were at least
19:17 there to give her that, that hope for that day,
19:20 because that could have been the only hope
19:21 that she had in a while and so that
19:23 she could have felt normal and received
19:25 the love of God, or at least she reached out,
19:28 after that taking them she calls to tell us
19:30 she is making mistake. A lot times with
19:32 and I don't want to just genderize it,
19:34 but lots of times women do a lot of attention
19:36 seeking. So, we have some that will take
19:39 like a bottle of medication, but they
19:40 don't take like a bottle and a half
19:41 or two bottles, which they know that would
19:43 really end their lives or they may slit
19:45 their wrist, be in the tub like 30 minutes
19:47 before they know someone is coming home
19:48 and you know it takes a lot to drain
19:51 a whole bottle. You know, yeah,
19:53 you don't want, you never, never.
19:54 So what I tell everybody is to, I take every
20:00 suicidal ideation seriously. Okay. And,
20:04 definitely if they score a certain level,
20:08 where it's a major depression
20:10 or severe depression definitely
20:12 I will hospitalize because
20:15 and we would do what we call it 5150,
20:17 which is a 72-hour whole when you have them
20:19 in-house in a hospital. And this is when
20:22 they are going against their will not that
20:23 they are checking themselves,
20:24 feel necessarily with people. Okay.
20:25 And so they can't live within the 72-hours
20:28 and that's where they are being monitored
20:31 24-hours a day and then they have intense
20:35 psychotherapy, they have intense interventions,
20:37 that's where they need medication
20:39 then you can start the medication regime.
20:42 Also the one thing I just wanted to add
20:45 sometimes we have to be careful
20:46 even once we put people on medication
20:47 because sometimes it actually gives them
20:49 the energy to actually fulfill
20:51 what they have been dreaming
20:52 and wanting to do. Now is that way
20:53 suicide rates go up sometimes
20:55 when they take, initially,
20:57 yeah initially. But now there are inpatient
21:00 treatments, people can be hospitalized
21:02 against their will for 72 hours,
21:04 while they are evaluated and see if they need
21:06 further or they can check themselves
21:08 and go through some wonderful inpatient
21:11 places too, that's right, help you begin
21:14 to learn how to cope with the life to
21:16 go through cognitive behavioral therapy
21:18 where people are learning how to take
21:21 those negative thoughts and turn them around,
21:23 replace them with positive thoughts
21:25 they're getting the type of medication
21:26 they need, but there is also some great
21:28 outpatient modalities. Let's talk about,
21:31 because we don't want, I don't know
21:34 how to say this. I feel like this is such a
21:36 broad topic we are trying to cover
21:38 in such a short period of time.
21:39 We don't want you to go away feeling hopeless.
21:42 We also don't want you to think that.
21:44 It's just a matter of going
21:46 and talking to your pastor.
21:47 You mentioned earlier that the young people,
21:49 who are being bullied had talked it out
21:51 with the pastor, the Sabbath school leader
21:53 and talking it out processing is really
21:55 wonderful. But sometimes if it is a
21:58 severe clinical depression, talking
22:00 something out with someone who is not a
22:04 professional may not be enough
22:06 you need to seek out some professional help,
22:09 so talk about what are some of the treatments
22:12 for this. Well I usually like to say
22:14 the treatments that I like to say is a patient
22:17 that always already had the complete physical,
22:19 the full panel of the electrolytes
22:21 in the blood work. So that we know,
22:24 we are not working with. So we know that
22:26 everything is okay physiologically
22:28 then I like to see a patient also
22:31 being involved with medications.
22:33 So they would have to see a physiatrist
22:35 that could also help them get the levels up
22:38 you know so that they can start
22:41 being able to be at a replace,
22:43 where they can actually speak to a clinician
22:45 which would be a psychologist
22:47 or psychiatrist. Now will you say that
22:50 we're talking that's kind of a worst case
22:51 scenario right here, it's where you've got
22:53 people who have to, because some people
22:55 can have a level of depression that
22:56 they don't have to take an antidepressant.
22:58 Actually there are certain behaviors
23:00 that can pull them; I mean certain
23:02 treatments that can pull them out.
23:04 But one should get to a certain level
23:06 sometimes it's unavoidable to take
23:08 medication. You're correct.
23:10 To me it's just a quicker process of
23:13 getting healthier just like with some
23:15 physiological issues. It's a quicker process
23:18 if you go to a location, if you are
23:21 trying the lose weight versus
23:22 trying to you know you are taking
23:24 medication it is just the quicker process,
23:25 but there are other processes that you can
23:27 actually do then you would go for treatment
23:30 and you have already mentioned like behavior
23:31 modification, cognitive or regressive
23:34 type therapy, where you can actually
23:35 go to the core what actually caused.
23:38 What was the actual antecedent,
23:39 actually cause the depression it could be
23:42 something way back in your childhood.
23:43 Another point that we really didn't talk about
23:45 which we probably should is the medications
23:49 that you are taking. Some of your
23:50 medications, I mean we all hear
23:52 the commercials. You know, take this
23:53 medication and then they run past 20 side effects
23:57 you know. Lot of them are depression,
24:00 depression, yeah or make us self esteem
24:03 or libido or may; we have a lot of patients
24:06 that will start overeating with some
24:08 of the medications that there are,
24:09 even the good medication that's taking
24:11 care of your depression can cause
24:12 other problems. You know, I want to be sure
24:15 and add something here because I tried to do
24:18 as many things naturally as possible.
24:20 Yes. And I take as many natural supplements
24:26 or things that I can to try treat myself,
24:29 but one thing that I have learned is that
24:32 just because something is 'natural'
24:35 it does not mean that it is not potent
24:39 and so there can be interactions among
24:43 natural medications. Yes, yes.
24:45 And particularly among natural medications
24:48 and even with the pharmaceutical
24:50 medications that we take. So if you are
24:53 taking say. I'm trying to think of some that
24:56 people use for St. John's Wort
24:59 and Xanax as lethal. St John' Wort
25:03 with Xanax is lethal. It's deadly. Yes,
25:06 so it can really. I'm really glad
25:08 that you brought that up. Okay and there are
25:11 other things that I've heard people will say
25:13 that they are taking that. Individually
25:15 they are perfect, but when you put them
25:17 together. Right. So that's why
25:19 it's important to let the physician
25:20 or your clinician know everything
25:22 that you are taking. And it's important
25:24 even to, you know, we were self-medicating
25:26 when we are using naturals because
25:27 I remember when I was not sleeping well
25:29 someone told me take Melatonin. Yes.
25:31 And I took Melatonin and I mean I was like
25:34 the mixed up. I had been overly drugged
25:40 with just so mind obviously was not,
25:42 my melatonin level wasn't my problem,
25:45 no, and by taking that melatonin
25:47 I didn't wake up the whole next day.
25:49 I mean I was walking around.
25:51 It was almost like sleep walking.
25:53 So we want to be very careful about that,
25:55 but know let's talk about. I know as a
25:59 Christian with the scripture I opened up
26:05 with Psalm 3:3 about God being the lifter of
26:08 our head. There is something that is so
26:13 comforting to learn to turn your problems
26:16 over to the Lord isn't that? Yes there is.
26:19 And that's certainly a behavioral therapy
26:21 that you can't if we learn to quit
26:24 trying to be God in our own life
26:25 and to seek the Lord in prayer to get into
26:29 his promises to speak his word over our life.
26:32 This is something that, that can have
26:35 you know when he said in Isaiah 61: Arise,
26:38 shine; For your light has come!
26:40 I have found that often people who will speak
26:44 God's word over their life and speak
26:46 their promises that God can do a renewing
26:50 of the mind. He really can.
26:52 He is marvelous in doing that
26:53 and that's why it's so important to still
26:55 stay focus with your church and with your
26:57 community. Amen. So our time is already slipping
27:04 into eternity. I can't believe how fast
27:06 this has gone. If you could Cynthia
27:09 just look into the camera and if you
27:14 want to give a closing thought,
27:16 a word of encouragement to someone out there
27:18 who is hurting today. I just want you to know
27:23 that God is able cast all your cares
27:26 and burdens on him. He will not forsake you.
27:29 He will be there for you. He will lead you
27:32 down the right journey, down the right path.
27:35 He will provide the right people to assist
27:39 you in all of your day-to-day activities.
27:44 Amen. Amen. Thank you so much
27:46 Dr. Cynthia Powell-Hicks for joining us.
27:49 Thank you. And for those of you
27:50 who around the world, if you have hotlines
27:54 available to you call hotline.
27:56 Reach out for help or if you have someone
28:00 in your family, who is suffering
28:01 from depression. Get them some help
28:04 don't just ignore and don't think
28:06 that they can pull them out themselves up
28:09 by their own bootstraps. Thanks for joining us.