Issues and Answers

God, Are You There?

Three Angels Broadcasting Network

Program transcript

Participants: Ruthie Jacobsen (Host), Pr. Roy Rugless


Series Code: IAA

Program Code: IAA000395

00:01 There is a wonderful little story that comes out
00:04 of the United Kingdom, I think its Scotland.
00:06 You are gonna love i a sweet, sweet story,
00:10 but teaches such powerful principles, life changing
00:14 principles. We'll be right back.
00:41 Welcome to Issues and Answers. The issue that
00:45 I'd like for us to think about together today is,
00:49 have you read the little book try giving yourself
00:52 away, it's a good little book I think its out to
00:55 print now, but that is our theme for this program,
01:01 try giving yourself away. And I believe that comes
01:04 from the Lord himself. There is a text in scripture
01:08 that tells us the Lord has a big plan for us.
01:11 In Psalm 80, David is saying let your hand be
01:17 upon the man of your right hand, upon the son
01:20 of man who made, you made strong for yourself.
01:24 God says I want to make you strong because
01:27 I have a plan for you. I want you to do
01:29 something for me, revive us then we will not
01:33 turn back from you revive us and we will call
01:35 upon your name. So, the Lord is saying,
01:38 I want you to cooperate with me, I'm gonna
01:40 put my hand on you but I want to revive you,
01:44 I want to give you strength and help because
01:46 I have something that I want you to do.
01:49 And then in that next chapter Verse 7 you called
01:54 on me in trouble and I delivered you. God has a
01:58 message that he wants you to give to others.
02:02 He has something that he wants you to do for
02:04 him. In Psalm 149 Verse 4 the Lord takes pleasure
02:11 in his people, he will beautify the humble with
02:15 salvation. I want to tell you a story about a
02:19 humble little boy. He was 8-years-old in his church
02:25 and the deacon was passing the offering
02:28 basket and apparently it was a large basket,
02:32 when he came to this 8-year-old boy; the boy
02:37 tugged on his sleeve and he said put the basket
02:41 on the floor. And the deacon said that's strange,
02:46 I'm not gonna do that. But he couldn't for some
02:50 reason walk on and just ignore that request and
02:54 the little boy repeated it, please put the basket
02:57 on the floor. And the thought came to the
03:01 Deacon well he is not a bad boy,
03:03 he is not gonna do something bad here,
03:07 so he wrestled with this strange request, finally he
03:10 put the basket on the floor. The little boy
03:14 stepped into the basket and he said I am the
03:19 offering. Amen. I am the offering.
03:23 That is our question to you, to me and to each
03:27 one of us God wants you and me to be the
03:32 offering. He wants us to give ourselves so
03:35 completely to him that we can be used for whatever
03:40 task he has for us, for his glory. I want you to
03:44 meet my special guest today, my friend Pastor
03:47 Roy Rugless. Thank you for being here. Thank you
03:50 for having me. And Roy you are Pastor in Tennessee,
03:55 Nashville. No, I Pastor in Athens, Alabama,
03:59 but I also have an administrative position in
04:01 Nashville, Tennessee. In Nashville, Tennessee,
04:02 okay, alright. But you live and Pastor in Athens
04:07 Alabama, correct. Is that North, South, East,
04:10 West where is that in Alabama? That is in the
04:13 Northern part of Alabama, west of Huntsville,
04:16 Alabama that's where we are. Okay, and you
04:19 but you also work with Pastors and Church
04:22 members in five states. Yes mam, cover five states.
04:25 Tell us where that is? Alabama, Mississippi,
04:29 Tennessee, Kentucky, and Northwest part of Florida,
04:33 I am all over the place. Wow. And I'm still pasturing
04:36 and is killing me. But it's a joy, it is, it is,
04:40 it's a joy, it's a joy. But you do have a message
04:42 of hope and it's about prayer and praying for the
04:46 Holy Spirit, yes. And the pastors in these five
04:49 states, yes, yes, are appreciating this,
04:52 yes they are, and the Lord is changing them.
04:54 Yes, they are. Yes they are. We talked about
04:57 that in another show that we did together of
05:02 Issues and Answers and you might just take
05:05 a minute to bring everybody up to speed
05:08 that may not have seen that the Lord is pouring
05:11 out his Spirit, yes, he is. I want to say though
05:15 talking about that experience those of you
05:18 who work with us at our last telecast we had
05:21 an experience, where the Holy Sprit was poured
05:24 out upon the leaders of our Church. We got all
05:26 the pastors together and we experience Pentecost,
05:30 hearts were broken, confessions were made,
05:33 a repentance was done, we praised the Lord,
05:36 testimonies were given and the Holy Spirit came,
05:39 but Ruthie I want to share something based on
05:41 your theme of sacrifice. We have a Latino
05:48 contingent in our organization, they are
05:51 embryonic, just getting started and our
05:55 conference unfortunately does not, can I,
05:57 can I interrupt again, yes mam, when you were
06:00 talking about what happened and this was at Indian
06:02 creek in Tennessee yes in Tennessee, where the
06:04 Holy Spirit just met this group of pastors in a
06:08 powerful way. I want to ask you and that really
06:11 is intrude with what we are talking about today
06:14 and that is why, why do you think the Lord was
06:18 there in that group with the pastors,
06:20 why was he there in power? He was there in
06:24 power because first of all the Lord wants to
06:28 do a special work in the world, that's right,
06:31 he wants men and women to be prepared for
06:33 his second coming, that's right. The only way
06:36 that's gonna happen is through the outpouring
06:38 of the Holy Spirit who God gives to give us
06:43 power to go out and tell people to get ready and
06:46 also to get ready ourselves, but we need to
06:47 understand that the people follow the leaders,
06:51 that's right, so the leaders now have to get
06:53 on board so that they could take it back their
06:55 churches, that's right, so that's what that was
06:57 all about. And that's what, why I believe
06:59 the Lord met you in a very special and powerful
07:02 way with all of those pastors. Yes. And church
07:05 leaders, yes. Because he was saying I want to
07:08 equip you, I want to empower you the pastors
07:12 had an experience that they've never
07:13 experienced before in their lives. I have never
07:16 experienced anything like that, I mean there is
07:17 one thing to talk about the Holy Spirit is another
07:20 thing to experience him working in your life,
07:24 but to receive it in its fullness where you are
07:27 just over shadowed and you know this is God.
07:31 You know it's God. Yeah, It's almost like Moses
07:34 when he went upon Mount Sinai, he is in the
07:37 presence of God. This is like on the mount of
07:39 transfiguration, when the Holy Spirit came
07:43 in the presence of God came in and the disciples
07:46 they just overwhelmed and you know Roy,
07:49 you can live your whole life, you can live your
07:51 whole life reading and hearing what God is
07:55 doing in the lives of other people that you may
07:58 miss it. You can live your whole life and never
08:01 really see God do something awesome,
08:03 that's right, that he wants to do in your life,
08:05 in your life. And I just want to appeal to all
08:10 of us let's ask the Lord what he wants to do
08:12 for you, for me. Yes, on a daily basis, yes,
08:16 he wants to do something to take us out
08:18 of the ordinary. I don't really think that God is
08:22 very interested or very impressed with what you
08:26 and I can do without him. Do you? I agree with
08:30 you 1000%. I don't think, he is very impressed with
08:33 what you and I can do, we are totally depending on
08:38 him. Yes, yes, but now let me take it a step
08:40 further because I want to get back to your theme
08:42 of giving up yourselves yes, yes, if you
08:46 understand that the goal of the gospel is to
08:49 be like God that's the transformation process
08:52 where it's supposed to be coming like God.
08:55 God is love, I mean that's the bottom-line,
08:58 God is love. And encapsulated in his love
09:03 is one of giving, that's right, one of sacrifice,
09:06 that's right, you know the devil was amazed
09:09 Ruthie after he got kicked out of Heaven,
09:13 he was amazed that God would go to such
09:17 lengths as to sacrifice his son and for Christ to
09:22 go to such lengths as to sacrifice his life. So, that
09:27 we could live the essence, the essence of love is self
09:34 sacrifice. That's right, giving of ones self.
09:38 Don't you think the angels were amazed at Calvary
09:42 oh yes, I was reading a story where once the
09:48 angels understood what Christ was getting ready to
09:51 do that they themselves wanted to give themselves
09:56 instead of letting Christ give himself. They didn't
09:58 want that to happen to him. They didn't want
09:59 that to happen to him. But it also showed that
10:01 spirit of love which is in outgrowth of self sacrifice
10:06 and it comes from the father. That's who is.
10:08 That's right, that's the mind blower, that's right,
10:11 God is a God who gives of himself and gives himself,
10:15 that's the mind blower and isn't it beautiful when
10:18 you see him working and transforming his people
10:23 to think of someone else first because we on
10:26 this planet are a bunch of selfish human beings
10:30 who think of ourselves first, I mean that is just the
10:33 way we are. Ever since the fall whether we like
10:36 to admit it or not, ever since the fall our minds
10:39 have been worked and twisted and now we have
10:43 become very selfish people. I think one of the high
10:46 attributes of Christianity is the one of self sacrifice,
10:50 now that's hard to do, you know what it's easy
10:53 to give of what is in abundance, but it is very
10:58 challenging to give up our necessity and I'd
11:02 to suggest that one of the hallmarks of true
11:04 Christianity is being able to give up ones necessity.
11:08 But you know I want to take you back to Roy
11:12 because the little boy who stepped in the
11:14 basket, his name was Robert Moffat. And God
11:21 saw the heart of that little 8-year-old boy and
11:25 he said you want to be my offering, you are
11:30 offering yourself to me I'll take you, I'll take
11:33 you to the heart of Africa. I'll give you William
11:41 Livingston, I'll give you David Livingston as
11:43 your son-in-law, I will left the two of you change
11:48 the heart of Africa, I'll do something to show my
11:51 love to that huge continent. Here is a
11:54 boy 8-years-old who gave himself, who said Lord
11:58 I want you to take me, I am the offering,
12:00 isn't that something. The Lord takes us, yes,
12:03 he is glad to see that here is a child who is
12:06 serious, he wants all of us, let me go back to the
12:09 Bible, you remember the widow with two mites,
12:11 that's right, there were people who had great sums
12:15 of money, that's right, who gave the offering and
12:19 God was not, Jesus was not impressed, that woman
12:23 she only had two mites but in that two mites
12:26 was a whole living her rent groceries all of that.
12:30 She gave of herself that's all she had.
12:32 That's all she had and God said she gave more
12:36 than anybody else. See God wants us, he wants
12:39 our hearts when he has our hearts then he has
12:43 us. He wants us, that's right. So, so that's one of
12:46 the goals of Gospel that we gonna be like God.
12:50 We gonna have to give like God and like you
12:52 said because of sin we are so selfish and self
12:55 centered and so the transformation process is
12:58 to take us out of ourselves to be like God to give
13:02 of ourselves. But, we don't have the desire,
13:05 no or the ability, no, unless we go to his word,
13:10 unless we go to our knees and say Lord what does
13:13 this look like, what does this look like in my life,
13:17 I'll tell you a little story, okay, there was an elderly
13:20 gentlemen at the pharmacy, who discovered and
13:25 he was very embarrassed that he didn't have enough
13:27 money to get his medications. He thought the
13:31 co-pay was less and so he was standing there in
13:36 bewilderment wondering what he should do,
13:38 if he should just leave the medication there,
13:40 but he knew he needed that medication.
13:43 There was a young man standing behind him
13:46 waiting and he heard the conversation between
13:50 the pharmacist and this elderly man and he said
13:55 just a minute he tapped him on the shoulder and
13:57 he said just a minute, he was a jogger,
13:59 he have been out jogging and he had just
14:01 stopped to get something cold to drink,
14:04 but he ran out to his car went to his place
14:07 where he lived came back with his wallet and he
14:09 paid, the difference paid for the medication for this
14:12 man. And so while he was waiting he was just sitting
14:17 there waiting when the man, the jogger came back
14:19 and he said okay let's get this. So, he paid for the
14:22 medications patted the guy on the back, he said
14:26 why would you do this? He said you needed the
14:29 medication and I am happy to do that for you,
14:33 he said are you a Christian? Wow. He said well yes
14:38 I am, where do you go to Church? Come on,
14:41 say sorry, where do you go to church and do you know
14:45 the man went to that Church found the pastor
14:48 and he said I want to tell you why I am here,
14:51 why I am here see that may not have been a big
14:55 deal, but when you are willing to be used, when you
14:59 have gone to the Lord in the morning and said to him
15:02 just take me, take me on an adventure with you,
15:07 use me, yes. Then the Lord says okay stay alert,
15:11 pay attention because I will take you to places
15:15 where I want to speak to somebody's heart, yes,
15:18 yes. Now, that only happens when we have the
15:23 Holy Spirit that's right, the Holy Spirit is the only
15:25 one who can first of all give us the desire and then
15:29 empowers to do, that's right. Let me go back to
15:31 Indian Creek once. Yes. We prayed for the
15:35 Holy Spirit, we pray for the outpouring and in the
15:39 midst of our meeting we had a Latino group of
15:43 pastors as I mentioned earlier who are just
15:47 starting to do work in our conference, Oh, yeah
15:49 I am glad you got back to that. Our conference
15:52 does not have the funds to really sustain the
15:54 ministry like we want to or we are able only to hire
15:57 just the few pastors here and there, but we want to
16:00 do more, but because of budget limitations we are
16:02 not able let me tell you something what happened
16:04 with the Holy Spirit. We got those Latino pastors
16:08 together made a circle around them. How many
16:12 were they? They had to be about maybe five or six
16:16 Latino pastors it's just the work has just started and
16:19 they're scattered all over the five states,
16:20 scattered all over the five states, we got those
16:25 Latino Pastors together they told us about their
16:28 pay there are some of the pastors who are
16:31 working without pay, there are some pastors who
16:34 only can work part-time they got to, see their Bible
16:37 occasional and the bad thing about it those who are
16:42 not working for pay those who are not only getting
16:44 part time salary have two or three churches as many
16:48 churches as full time people have and they're
16:50 still out there and they're praising the Lord,
16:54 they're testifying about his goodness, they're
16:56 talking about how souls are coming in, because they
16:58 are seeing him work but the thing about it here the
17:01 other pastors there who are getting full time
17:03 salaries and these guys who are not getting
17:06 anything and they are working as hard if not
17:10 harder than the rest let me tell you about the
17:12 Holy Spirit let me tell you what happened after
17:14 they told a story, they told a story about how they
17:17 turn to build a Church without money and all that
17:20 kind of stuff. After they told a story we got all the
17:23 Latino pastors together and we made a circle around
17:26 them, we laid hands on them, and we started praying
17:29 and let me tell you what happened, you are not
17:31 gonna believe this. Sure I will. But I wanna hear.
17:36 You know part of prayer is interceding for others,
17:42 that's right, that's right, selfishness thinks about
17:45 self when we pray sometime Lord I need this,
17:47 help me with this, give me that. But when you
17:49 really are doing true prayer, you are not,
17:52 you are not before you even ask for yourself you
17:55 ask for others that's real praying interceding for
17:58 others. Ruthie, that's right, we had an intersession
18:01 prayer for the Latino Pastors, we went around
18:05 the circle, the pastor was just crying out for the
18:08 Lord to do something to help them with the work
18:11 I mean the Holy Spirit was there but not this is,
18:14 that goes back to the Psalms. David did that too.
18:17 Yes, he said cry out to the Lord, cry out,
18:20 cry out, but this is the equinox of this whole
18:22 experience in the praying one of the pastors talking
18:27 about sacrifice now. He is praying this prayer,
18:31 he says Lord I'm committing half of my
18:35 salary, I'm committing half of my salary to help
18:40 these pastors and then some of the other pastor
18:42 Lord I'm committing half of my salary I'm telling
18:46 you the Holy Spirit just came over and gave us
18:48 the spirit of sacrifice that the pastors were crying
18:52 out Lord I'm willing to give of what I have so that
18:56 this work could go forward. Is it you're talking about
18:58 the spirit of sacrifice that's what the Holy Spirit
19:00 will do, that's a miracle, that's a miracle,
19:01 that's what the Holy Spirit will do. Amen.
19:03 Because what is he trying to do, he is trying
19:04 to give us to be like God. And to change our
19:07 hearts and God is a sacrificial God who gave up
19:12 himself as a matter of fact, that's right, when you
19:14 understand the story not only the Christ died but
19:20 apart of God left him as well. How do you,
19:24 how do you, how do you think a pair would feel
19:26 watching his son die or giving of themselves that
19:29 was part of God who died as well, yes, yes,
19:33 we serve a sacrificial God and if we are supposed
19:36 to be like God we also should be sacrificial,
19:40 we all should be giving and let me take you a
19:43 step further not only do we need to give our means
19:48 but we need to give up our time that's right,
19:51 we need to give up ourselves that's right,
19:54 whatever God asks us to do, none of what we
19:58 have belongs to us, the clothes that we have on
20:00 our bags, that's right. Does not belong to us,
20:04 right, it comes from God I told you true story,
20:07 true story. Well, the other one was true too.
20:16 And that was powerful, beautiful, okay let's have
20:17 another true story, I was, I was, I was a student
20:18 at Oakwood college and didn't have a lot of
20:23 clothes, but I had a few and there was a student
20:29 a friend of mine who came over and we were just
20:30 talking, and he talked about how he didn't have
20:34 any clothes, he had to wear the same clothes
20:36 everyday and now the Holy Spirit telling go in your
20:41 closet and give him some of your clothes.
20:44 Share what you have. I told the Holy Spirit
20:47 I can't do that, I only have few to wear how in the
20:50 world and you know let's somebody do this that
20:53 has more than I have got, there you go and some
20:55 of the stuff that I had was really nice stuff,
20:58 Lord I can't do that, the Holy Spirit says give him
21:01 what you have. The Holy Spirit broke me down
21:07 and you know sometimes Ruthie how we want to
21:09 give stuff that's not that good, which you didn't like
21:11 anyway. That's our human nature, let me tell you
21:15 what he said, the Holy Spirit directed give him your
21:18 best suit, give him your best shirt, give him your,
21:25 Ruthie, that's sacrifice, Ruthie there was something
21:27 that went in me that says no I can't do this,
21:31 but there was something else inside me that says
21:33 if you want to be like God this is how God is,
21:36 God gave us his best Amen. And I want to let
21:38 you know that I got even though it was a struggle
21:41 I was just starting my Christian journey I had just
21:45 come into the church went to Oakwood, and the
21:47 Lord was teaching you something big. He was
21:49 sharing he was trying to transform me. That's right,
21:52 so that was my test and all of us are going to be
21:54 tested, we may not be tested in the same way but
21:57 we're all gonna be tested and one of the test is
22:00 giving Abraham, that's right, that's right, his only
22:04 son, but now Roy I love that story and what when
22:09 you gave this other student the clothes what
22:13 happened to him and to you. Lord was rooting
22:17 selfishness out of me. That's right, he was
22:20 rooting selfishness out of me and I was able to
22:22 minister to that, that man and joy came over
22:27 his face and he says man you given me your
22:29 best and he was very appreciative, that's what
22:31 the gospel is all about, that's right, the gospel
22:33 is all about touching others, preaching others,
22:36 but I believe that there is another lesson in that,
22:38 what's that when you give yourself away,
22:41 when you give yourself to the Lord for whatever
22:43 he has for you, you cannot out give the Lord.
22:47 Oh, he blesses abundantly. And you know what
22:50 he just to be honest with you God really doesn't
22:53 need what we have, I'm gonna go back to tie
22:55 an offering, you know the Bible talks about how
22:58 we are supposed to return 10%, it doesn't belong
23:00 to us, it belongs to God and then give the offering,
23:05 but, but, but God doesn't need it. This God who
23:09 leads, who owns everything do you think he really
23:12 needs our money, no, no, no, no the reason,
23:15 one of the reason, he needs our hearts,
23:17 there you go, and one of the reasons he does that
23:20 he wants to provide funds for the gospel to go
23:22 out, but I think even more important he wants to
23:25 transform us, he wants to root out selfishness,
23:28 he wants to, the more we give, the more unselfish
23:30 we become, the more we give the more unselfish.
23:33 So, that eventually we become like him. I got to
23:35 tell you another story, I got so many stories,
23:37 go ahead, go ahead, I got to tell you another
23:38 story, good. I was telling you previously about
23:42 a lady who came who was not a member of my
23:45 Church, who came to my Church to my prayer
23:47 meeting and at testimonies, you always got to
23:51 have testimonies, testimonies are powerful,
23:53 oh yes, that's right, at testimony time in this
23:56 economic time she says she was only working,
23:59 she was only working part time I think she was
24:02 working 30 hours a week and then when the
24:04 economy hit they knocked her down to 15 hours
24:07 a week and then they let her go altogether and
24:11 she said she needed some medication, she didn't
24:15 even have money to go the pharmacy to get
24:17 any medication at all. She didn't even have any
24:20 food to give her children and as I am listening
24:24 to her, my heart just bleeds, my heart just
24:27 bleeds. And I said this lady needs some help,
24:32 after prayer meeting was over, after prayer meeting
24:35 was over I didn't have a lot of money, but I
24:37 reached in my wallet and everything that I had I
24:43 pulled it out, everything that I had I pulled it out,
24:47 and I gave it to her, I gave it to her and you know
24:51 what she says, she says I don't need it, she says
24:54 I am fine now, i didn't know that did, but she
24:57 says I'm fine now, are you sure, I said I want
24:58 you to have this. She said I don't need it I'm fine
25:02 now. But before you say anything what the Lord
25:05 was doing, he was testing me again,
25:09 testing me but you know what, this time it wasn't
25:12 a struggle, it wasn't a struggle, I had no,
25:16 I had no reservations it gets easier, it gets easier,
25:19 obedience prepares you for the next step.
25:22 I was willing I didn't think of myself, I didn't think
25:26 this is everything that I have where is where is the
25:29 next dollar coming from that's growth, that's right,
25:32 that's right, and that's like Abraham on the
25:34 mountain with Isaac. The Lord was asking him to
25:38 sacrifice because he was testing Abraham's heart,
25:41 yes, yes, let me say this because our time is almost
25:44 running out. When you understand God,
25:49 God is love, when you look at his commandments
25:55 his 10 commandments that nothing more than
25:57 love, the first four commandments deal with
26:00 love to God, that's right, last six commandments
26:03 deal with love to your fellow man, right.
26:05 If we love God, if we have true love we will love
26:10 God and we will love our fellow man.
26:12 How do we love God, we give ourselves back to
26:15 him, that's right, how do we love our fellow man
26:17 we give ourselves to our fellow men that's
26:19 commandment keeping, that's right,
26:21 its not a list of thou shall not and what you
26:24 cannot do and prohibitions it's all about love,
26:29 that's right, and if we really understand love in
26:30 his true sense, love is nothing more than giving,
26:34 giving ourselves to God and giving ourselves to
26:37 our fellow men. And no wonder he tells us that's
26:41 fullness of joy, oh wonderful, oh wonderful,
26:46 fullness of joy, fullness that's real happiness,
26:49 that's right, Amen. That's real happiness,
26:52 I wish I had time to I got another story but I know
26:54 you are getting ready to rap this thing up.
26:56 Well, our time is about gone, but I would like to
26:58 say our viewers thank you so much for allowing
27:02 us to come into your homes and we just want
27:04 to say that we pray for you, we pray that these
27:10 programs will be a help in your lives as they are
27:13 in ours. We just pray that that God will show you
27:17 daily how he wants you to give yourself away,
27:21 because he wants to bring each one us to a deeper
27:24 level of joy. Amen. A deeper level of usefulness
27:28 and understanding him better and he tells us
27:31 in Daniel 11:32 those who know him intimately are
27:39 privileged and he says I'll make you strong and able
27:42 to do bold and daring things. So, if you are
27:44 frightened, if you are afraid to do some of these
27:47 things. God will make you strong, because he
27:51 has a plan that is so big, so huge, so much
27:55 bigger than anything we could ever imagine.
27:58 So, daily let's begin the day by saying dear God
28:02 I just want to give myself to you,
28:05 I want to give myself to your plan and let him
28:08 surprise you, it's great. God bless you.


Revised 2014-12-17