Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Julie Norton, Ken Norton
Series Code: IAA
Program Code: IAA000340
00:30 Hello I am Shelley Quinn
00:31 and welcome again to "Issues and Answers."
00:34 This is a program where we talk about issues
00:36 that are facing the Christian church
00:38 and try to find some answers.
00:40 And today I think we are going to have
00:42 a very informative program
00:44 as we talk about the role of laity the lay person.
00:48 What is our role in the church?
00:50 You know, Paul wrote to the Ephesians in Ephesians 4
00:54 he talks about as Jesus ascended
00:57 that He gave gifts to all men.
01:00 And then he says in verse 11 he actually identifies
01:04 a five-fold ministry and he talks about
01:07 how He gave some to be apostles,
01:09 prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers.
01:14 But what was the purpose of these officers in the church.
01:19 Is the pastor supposed to do everything?
01:21 Is the evangelist supposed to do everything?
01:23 Here is what he says.
01:25 His intention, his reason for giving these gifts,
01:29 was for the perfecting and full equipping of the saints.
01:33 So what Jesus intended as he set up this five-fold office
01:38 was that these individuals
01:40 that were appointed to these offices
01:42 would turn around and train up the laity to go out
01:46 and fulfill the great commission.
01:49 Please help me welcome our returning guest
01:52 we have Ken and Julie Norton from Orlando, Florida
01:55 and it's so nice to have you all back again. Thank you.
01:58 Julie, why don't you tell me,
02:00 what do you do in Orlando and tell us about the ministry
02:04 that you and your husband are currently working in?
02:07 I am blessed to help out in the office.
02:12 I am technically assistant administrator and--
02:17 And what is name of the ministry?
02:18 Oh, I am so sorry. That's okay.
02:20 Lay Institute for Evangelism.
02:23 The Lay Institute for Evangelism.
02:24 Now, Ken what do you all do?
02:26 We train laypeople that's the institute was set up
02:30 to be able to equip laypeople to have the tools they need
02:34 to finish the great commission.
02:36 Amen, and this is a--
02:39 this institute you actually train online,
02:43 you got some online training. We do have some online training.
02:45 And then onsite as well, that's where you have--
02:48 where you are doing special programs
02:50 for youth and for other people,
02:52 who youth to train them to go and have to share Bible studies
02:56 and share the gospel with people in their own neighborhoods
02:59 and then others to go actually into foreign countries, right?
03:02 That's right. That's so wonderful.
03:03 Get the churches active, get out there.
03:05 And you all are teaching not just theory
03:07 but by experience because you've been out there
03:09 and done it yourself, have you not? Yes.
03:11 Okay, now I know that you were a pastor before seven years?
03:18 Hmm, that's correct.
03:19 Seven years before you came into this ministry
03:21 which is operated by ASI, Adventist-laymen Services
03:25 and Industries of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
03:28 But as a pastor did you find
03:32 that Ephesians 4:11 and 12
03:36 was being fulfilled in your church?
03:38 Did you find that people expected you as a pastor
03:42 to be doing it all or were the people
03:46 the members of your congregation,
03:47 eager to be trained so they could go out and do it?
03:50 The answer is yes. You've done the both.
03:52 There is both, that's right, there is both
03:54 and there is always a group that's excited
03:56 and willing to go out and that's the ones
03:59 that we ended up in our ministry
04:00 really trained to focus on this.
04:02 Fulfilling our part of just training them to get out there
04:05 and share Jesus with their friends and neighbors
04:09 but there is a certain element that they want,
04:12 many church members just want the pastor to do it all.
04:15 And I think, I think that we are working now
04:17 and our discussion today we will talk about a mind change.
04:21 You know a mindset change that needs to happen, I think.
04:23 Paradigm shift that this thing is called now,
04:26 so tell us what the Bible I mean when you
04:29 as you have studied the Bible
04:30 and I know you have done a lot of studying,
04:32 what do you see the model that Christ
04:34 wanted to set up for the church?
04:37 You know as we're preparing for this,
04:39 ah, we came up with kind of a title for it
04:42 and it's called the Fatal Mistake.
04:45 And it's based on actually a passage
04:47 we are going read near the end by a Christian writer
04:49 who talks about how it's a deadly mistake
04:53 to think that the pastors or the church officials
04:56 are supposed to do everything when it comes to sharing Christ.
05:00 And so as we got in and we started looking okay
05:02 what does a New Testament say about what church members
05:07 are supposed to be doing, what's their role?
05:09 Because I think that's the big problem as we--
05:11 we might have a misunderstanding
05:13 of what the role is of Christians,
05:17 what are we called to when we accept
05:19 Jesus Christ as our savior.
05:20 So we want to look at some text today
05:22 and just have a good Bible study.
05:23 Let's get into them.
05:25 Let's look at 1 Peter 2:9
05:32 when we first start talking about the role,
05:34 this is one of the most famous passages
05:35 that talks about the role of the laity.
05:41 And it's a really neat chapter because this is where
05:43 Peter sets up Christ as the foundation, he is it.
05:48 So we are not building on any man,
05:49 we are building on Christ as a cornerstone
05:52 and building up into a lively building
05:55 you know with lively stones we uses that term.
05:58 But then he says in verse 9 he says,
06:00 "But you are a chosen generation,
06:03 a royal priesthood, a holy nation,
06:06 His own special people,
06:08 that you may proclaim the praises of Him
06:11 who called you out of darkness and to his marvelous light."
06:16 Its beautiful, two things we catch there.
06:18 We catch that we are-- He first uses his term
06:21 we are royal priesthood.
06:24 Well, Royal means kingly you know
06:27 and then priesthood means we are priests.
06:30 And this is where actually we got
06:31 you know in Martin Luther when he first had his inspiration
06:35 that set forth the fire of the reformation
06:39 was based on this that,
06:41 wait a second if we are all priests,
06:43 then what are the priest doing and we are just sitting here
06:46 and taking mass and so forth of course
06:48 as they did in the Catholic Church.
06:50 And he said no there is a problem, we are all priests.
06:54 Absolutely. So what's a priest?
06:57 What is the role of priest? Right.
06:59 And I think-- I think that he is referencing back
07:02 to the Old Testament because in the New Testament
07:04 priests were the only priests that are talked about
07:08 were the ones of course in the Jewish nation
07:10 that persecuted, you know, Christ
07:12 and then set up persecution for his disciples.
07:16 But, Jesus is the only priest in the New Testament,
07:19 He is the Priest, He is the High Priest,
07:23 but it talks about us being priest in a way that
07:27 not like we think of a normal priest today
07:30 that we use that term today.
07:32 So as we were discussing last night,
07:34 what did priest do in the Old Testament.
07:36 Let's talks about that for a minute.
07:38 What did they do?
07:39 They ministered in the sanctuary,
07:41 they ministered to the people.
07:42 Yeah. And they--
07:44 They offered sacrifices. Offered sacrifices.
07:47 They were, you know, the people look to the priest
07:51 as one who was between them and God, right.
07:56 Well, in the New Testament its interesting
07:57 that we become the ones to connect people to God,
08:03 so it becomes a role not so much as in a you know,
08:07 I can't go to God, I have to, you know,
08:09 I have to go through the special person,
08:11 it becomes what we say you know what,
08:13 you can be connected to God.
08:15 You can have a relationship with Him,
08:17 that's a priestly role.
08:18 So basically you are saying that if someone
08:20 is outside the church that we as a royal priesthood,
08:24 we are to go in kind of in intercessory way
08:27 help bring them to the Lord.
08:29 Get them to join in this royal priesthood
08:31 where they got that direct relationship within.
08:34 That's a good summary of it. Okay.
08:36 And Paul uses a term ambassador that's another one.
08:38 But he uses a lot of these different terms
08:40 and Peter uses this term to talk about,
08:43 you know, we have a role to play
08:45 in connecting other people to Christ. Amen.
08:48 And that's beautiful,
08:49 so I think first, the first role
08:51 we find laity ought to play are the connectors.
08:55 They are the ones to say you don't know Jesus Christ,
08:58 let me connect you to God
09:00 and that's kind of a priestly role that we play. Okay.
09:04 The second one was that laypeople are ministers.
09:08 Now this sounds funny, but let's go back to the text
09:10 that you started out with today.
09:13 Ephesians 4. Ephesians 4:11.
09:22 In Ephesians 4:11 we talk about those five roles
09:27 that those who give themselves full time to the ministry play
09:31 and we find them in verse 11 but, I like the way
09:34 and I am not sure the way your Bible put it,
09:36 I like to finish out verse 12 because it says
09:39 that they do this for the equipping of the saints
09:43 for the work of ministry.
09:45 Yes, I actually stopped too soon.
09:48 No, that's okay. But that's--
09:49 the emphasis is that they are that the clergy
09:52 is trainers and equippers
09:54 but for the laypeople to do what?
09:57 To fulfill a great commission to go out and minister.
10:00 To be ministers. Yes.
10:02 So you know after I started learning this,
10:04 I was like I don't like it when people call me a minister,
10:07 because we are all ministers
10:11 if you clean the name of Christ, you are a minister. Amen.
10:15 I will never forget, ah, it's been a couple of months ago,
10:18 Ken and I were sharing our testimony to a group of people
10:21 and afterwards, one young lady came up and said.
10:25 I was just so impressed by your testimony
10:27 and but I can never do that,
10:30 I will leave it to you professionals.
10:32 And I thought, I am not a professional,
10:34 I wasn't trained to be a pastor either,
10:36 I am just a normal person.
10:38 Carried away that was something completely different
10:41 but I am, I just when I want to share,
10:45 I just ask Lord help me, help me to be not like Moses.
10:49 Well I say I can't do this my tongue is tied,
10:52 you know I don't know the language,
10:54 but Lord use me as a vessel that you can speak through
10:57 anyone can ask that
10:58 and that gift he wants to give anyone
11:01 who is willing to open up and share their testimony,
11:04 so it's not just for the professionals.
11:07 He wants everyone to be.
11:08 It's for the one who I believe that the call to ministry comes
11:12 when we press him to the presence of God
11:14 as we really getting into his presence in prayer
11:18 as Isaiah did in Isaiah 6
11:21 when he said I saw the Lord high and lifted up.
11:24 He was pressing into God's presence
11:27 and then he hears God's conversation
11:31 who shall I send and he says here am I, send me.
11:34 And I think that that's you know as we come to near to the Lord
11:38 and coming to His presence
11:40 and recognize the majesty of the law giver,
11:44 the majesty of the life giver.
11:46 Then when we know that he says,
11:49 I've got this work that's unfinished,
11:51 we are just looking up and saying oh, Lord
11:53 whatever it takes, send me, equip me.
11:56 That's right, that's beautiful, because it just our--
12:01 at the Lay Institute for Evangelism,
12:03 we decided that the greatest thing
12:06 that we can do for laypeople is to let them know
12:10 God needs you, he need you as ministers.
12:13 He need you to be the reaching hand out,
12:16 don't leave that up to your minister
12:18 or to a Bible worker in your church,
12:20 this is something biblically you're called to do.
12:23 We as pastors and others are here to help you
12:26 and equip you and train you for the work of ministry.
12:30 If we are to hold the ministry all to ourselves,
12:33 not only is it not biblical, but it's not healthy.
12:36 It's not healthy for people spiritually
12:38 God wants all lay people. It's not healthy for the pastor.
12:41 No, its not. It's not.
12:43 So we are to be priests, we are priests,
12:47 we are ministers and that's more than just
12:50 ministering to people's spiritual needs.
12:52 Don't you believe that-- that also has something
12:54 to do with ministering?
12:56 Loving not only inwards but in actions,
12:59 ministering to the people's physical needs
13:01 as Jesus did so often.
13:03 What are some of the other roles of laity?
13:05 The next one is interesting,
13:07 because laypeople should be involved in church planting.
13:10 Okay, give us a scripture.
13:12 And let's look at the scripture, that's 1 Corinthians 16.
13:18 My Bible is in so many pieces,
13:20 it's hard to turn sometimes to--
13:22 That's a good sign, it's been gone through a lot.
13:24 1 Corinthians 16. All right.
13:27 And verse 19 we find two very active laypeople
13:31 who were tent makers, good friends of Paul,
13:35 but they were serious about the religion,
13:37 they were serious about other people knowing about Jesus
13:39 and we find in 1 Corinthians 16:19.
13:43 Why don't you read that?
13:44 "The churches of Asia greet you.
13:46 Aquila and Priscilla greet you heartily in the Lord,
13:49 with the church that is in their house."
13:52 So there was a church meeting in their house,
13:54 they were church planting. That's right.
13:56 They may not-- we don't know it doesn't give us
13:58 lot of details that may be, may be someone like Paul
14:02 had come through and preached,
14:03 helped to establish the church but they were involved
14:06 in church planting and this is,
14:09 this is something that laypeople need to know.
14:11 Well, I am not going to wait for my pastor
14:13 to go out and start up a new church,
14:15 I can be involved in doing
14:16 starting a small group in my home
14:18 and then bringing them to church, that's the spirit.
14:20 And you know there are so many people
14:21 and we touched on this a little when you were here before
14:24 talking about the problems in the church in America
14:28 and the unfinished business around the world
14:31 is that there are some people
14:33 who just don't feel conformable coming to church,
14:36 it's unfamiliar to them, they don't understand
14:38 the "lingo" the language that we use
14:43 and they will come into someone's home
14:46 and there is an intimacy in the fellowship there
14:49 and as they become comfortable
14:51 with knowing the Bible and knowing the Lord,
14:55 then they easily transition into the more
14:59 typical church's model setting. That's right.
15:02 So that's something that we can all do.
15:04 You know even though I am a pastor,
15:07 now I am not in that position,
15:09 but we have a small group that meets in our home
15:11 and just this last week one of them said
15:13 they want to be baptized. Praise God.
15:15 And that was exciting for us, because it's a young man
15:17 that's come out of the drugs scene,
15:19 the party scene and everything
15:21 and so comfortable to meet Friday night,
15:23 we sit around, we open our Bibles,
15:25 we talk about the real issues
15:27 that are effecting us everyday in scripture
15:29 and he is like I am ready, ready to take my stand
15:32 and it shows the power of doing something
15:34 like this that Aquila and Priscilla did.
15:36 You know, when we were in England not too long ago,
15:38 one of the churches over there had separated
15:42 as we have here, we have what we call a TLC groups,
15:46 I just say it stands for Tender Loving Care groups
15:48 but what they did was they actually chose people
15:54 and train people up as teachers in their church
15:56 and they started these little home groups
16:00 for their midweek service
16:01 in place of their midweek service,
16:03 but they assign people to these groups.
16:06 And I am sure it was geographical
16:08 and was part of the consideration,
16:10 but they would start off with 8 to 10 people
16:13 in this little home groups
16:15 and what everyone's assignment was is that
16:18 your assignment is to bring some else to this group,
16:21 that's not a Christian.
16:23 And they started bringing and these groups
16:26 when they would get up to like 25
16:28 then they break them off and start over again.
16:31 This church quadrupled in its memberships
16:34 in just two years by doing this.
16:36 So there is something about that one-on-one study
16:39 and the or the intimacy of the small group
16:41 that can be very effective than church going. That's excellent.
16:45 That's why I feel that you know the Lord blesses us
16:49 so that we can bless others. Exactly.
16:51 So, you know, our house that we have,
16:53 our apartment that we have,
16:55 whatever we live in or the car that we have are all resources
16:59 that I feel that he has blessed us with to bless others.
17:02 So in taking whatever you have,
17:04 whatever a little thing or whatever great thing you have
17:06 and lay it before the Lord and say
17:08 I know that you are giving this to me,
17:10 to bless others, how can I, how can I use this,
17:14 then you open up your house
17:15 you know this house is not for you,
17:18 it's so that he can bless others and or this car you know,
17:22 may not have anything else but I have this car
17:24 may be you can car pull someone.
17:26 It's using all resources,
17:28 understand that this isn't something that's my own,
17:31 it's something that's a gift from the Lord
17:33 and I really think it can bless others.
17:35 Now we had a friend just tell us that two weeks ago
17:37 remember she said they moved into a neighborhood
17:39 bought a new house and it was much bigger,
17:41 you know her husband is making good money,
17:43 but it's much bigger than what she had wanted
17:45 but as she is there, she started thinking,
17:47 I have so many neighbors around here
17:49 that would probably love to have a Bible study,
17:52 you know in this house,
17:53 and even though it's too big for us,
17:54 could be a perfect place to bring people
17:56 and introduce something.
17:57 So the Lord, the Lord impresses
17:59 and we see all over people call us in different place,
18:03 we get emails from people around the world.
18:06 We see God moving on laypeople's hearts
18:09 to become active and to begin working
18:12 in their communities and that's inspiring.
18:14 I think people are taking it seriously
18:16 that the Lord is coming back soon.
18:17 And sometimes I hear myself cry out,
18:19 O Maranatha, come O Lord.
18:21 And then I think will give us just a few more days,
18:24 dear Lord because there are so many people
18:26 yet to be reached and some of the statistics
18:28 that you shared in earlier programs with us
18:31 about the church in the world condition
18:33 is just alarming to us. Yes.
18:36 Okay, so we have got priests, ministers,
18:39 church planters, what else.
18:41 We have laity as overseers in the church. All right.
18:46 Now this is interesting one,
18:47 because this is going to tie into some things
18:49 we are going to talk about in future programs too,
18:51 but I want us to look as Titus 1:5.
18:58 Many churches feel that they are robbed when,
19:03 let's say a conference or denomination
19:05 doesn't send them a pastor to come
19:07 and to preach to them and it's interesting
19:09 that the New Testament pattern that we find it,
19:12 that was never the point in the New Testament
19:15 where these groups would ask for somebody to come
19:19 and just specifically be over them.
19:20 But we find that Paul when he was setting up these churches,
19:25 that he asked Titus to do something.
19:27 I want you to go head and read this, I'm trying to find.
19:29 Titus 1:5, "For this reason I left you in Crete,
19:32 that you might set right what was defective
19:35 and finish what was left undone
19:36 and that you might appoint elders
19:38 and set them over the churches
19:41 in every city as I directed you."
19:44 Very interesting that the elders were the term for elder,
19:49 there is a couple of Greek terms but it means overseer,
19:52 those that were responsible for that local congregation.
19:55 So Paul when he would go and he would preach
19:58 and he would raise up a group.
20:01 In this situation when Titus was left there
20:03 to help in the organizational
20:05 to make sure things were going okay,
20:06 he told them okay,
20:08 it's time to set up elders in those churches.
20:10 And then basically to move on that was how they would do
20:14 in establishing the kingdom of God
20:15 and expanding the work in the church.
20:18 These elders came from the laity, they were not.
20:21 So when you said, to set up elders
20:22 and then basically move on, who was moving on?
20:25 The clergy, the itinerant preachers,
20:28 like Paul and Barnabas and those John,
20:30 there were many of them that that's what they did,
20:32 they would go and just establish churches.
20:34 But they would set up in the church,
20:36 if they were there let's say six moths
20:37 or eight months or a year.
20:39 They would find men and woman
20:42 that would bubble to the surface,
20:44 that were spiritual, that were good leaders
20:47 and then they would appointment them
20:48 as elders in the church
20:50 and the elders would oversee the local congregations
20:53 and take care of shepherding those little flocks.
20:56 So they were laypeople though,
20:58 they were people like Aquila and Priscilla
21:00 that would be in charge of a church in their home
21:02 or church in their locality and that's significant.
21:05 It is significant.
21:07 I think that lets us know that
21:08 that God wants to put his burden of responsibility
21:11 upon the shoulders of laypeople
21:13 that are willing to take responsibilities like that.
21:16 Okay, so now we have got priests,
21:19 ministers, church planters, overseers
21:23 and lastly the laity were to be
21:26 the primary caregivers for each other. Okay.
21:30 And this goes along with the last one but this is,
21:33 these are all the one in another text
21:35 that we find in the New Testament,
21:37 I think the heart of them would be in Romans 12.
21:43 Romans 12:9 through 18.
21:51 Romans 12...
21:53 And that's a long, we probably don't have to read
21:55 the whole thing but... Go ahead.
22:00 All right, let just read it quickly here it says
22:02 "Let love be without hypocrisy.
22:05 Abhor what is evil, cling to what is good.
22:07 Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love,
22:11 in honor giving preference to one another,
22:13 not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit,
22:16 serving the Lord rejoicing in hope,
22:19 patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer
22:24 distributing to the needs of the saints,
22:27 given to hospitality.
22:28 Bless those who persecute you
22:30 bless and do not curse.
22:31 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep.
22:34 Be of the same mind toward one another.
22:37 Do not set your mind on high things,
22:39 but associate with the humble.
22:40 Do not be wise in your own opinion.
22:43 Repay no one evil  for evil have regard
22:46 for good things in the sight of men.
22:48 If it is possible, as much as depends on you,
22:52 live peaceably with all men."
22:54 Now there is a lot of things that Paul mixed in there,
22:56 but the point is this is a little synopsis
22:59 of what he says all through his letters
23:01 and that the laity will be--
23:03 to be the ones that were to care each others burdens.
23:07 Edify, build up. Share.
23:09 Contrasted with sometimes the mindset
23:13 that the pastor is the one that is to come
23:16 and be my spiritual, my primary spiritual caregiver.
23:20 So I went to a church that there was a little--
23:27 I will say the people were little disgruntle
23:29 because it's a very busy church
23:30 and the pastor didn't have time
23:32 to go do all the hospital visitations
23:35 and people would whisper and say,
23:37 he isn't going and taking care of his hospital duties.
23:40 Now, I have gone to another church
23:42 that what the pastor did was train people how to go out,
23:47 I mean literally train them how long to stay,
23:49 what not to do, don't sit on their bed.
23:51 What to do when you are going into hospital
23:52 for a hospital visitation,
23:54 which I think is an excellent thing
23:56 to do as trainee. Yes.
23:57 Because then people don't outwear their welcome
24:01 and weary the patient,
24:02 but there was a group of people,
24:05 because there are some people that aren't comfortable
24:07 going and doing hospital visits,
24:08 and there are some people who just it's in them
24:11 and so what we are coming to in all of this is that--
24:15 that five-fold ministry that we discussed
24:18 is talking about Jesus who gave these offices
24:21 if you will in the church that they may train the laity
24:26 to go out and do all of these things. That's right.
24:29 Now, I believe that you have an important quote
24:33 from Christian author Ellen White
24:36 and I would like you to read that quote to us.
24:39 'Cause this is fatal mistake quote, and here is what it says,
24:42 this is from Acts of the Apostles, on page 110.
24:45 "Not upon the ordained minister only rests the responsibility
24:49 of going forth to fulfill the great commission.
24:52 Everyone who has received Christ
24:55 is called to work for the salvation of his fellowmen.
24:59 It is a fatal mistake to suppose that the work of soul saving
25:04 depends alone upon the minister.
25:08 Those who stand as leaders in the church of God
25:11 are to realize that the Savior's commission
25:14 is given to all who believe in His name." Amen.
25:17 "God will send forth into His vineyard
25:20 many who have not been dedicated to the ministry
25:23 by the laying on of hands."
25:26 That word fatal means fatal.
25:29 It's a deadly mistake to think.
25:32 And when you go to a church
25:34 where they expect the pastor to do everything,
25:36 what you do find is it is deadly that the church is not growing,
25:40 it's just, it's just like the Dead Sea.
25:43 You know, there is just nothing really coming I mean,
25:46 It's coming in but nothing going out.
25:47 Nothing is going out, so essentially let's go through,
25:51 why don't you recap very quickly.
25:53 Okay, laity are be as priests, were to connect people to God.
25:56 Number two, laity are ministers that wants to do the ministry.
26:00 Number three, laity can be involved in church planting
26:03 as Aquila and Priscilla.
26:05 Number four, laity were appointed
26:07 as overseers of the church,
26:08 they were the pastors in many of the early churches.
26:12 And number five,
26:13 laity are the primary caregivers for each other.
26:16 Simply put it's impossible for a minister,
26:19 I am not going to use that word,
26:20 it's possible for a pastor to be responsible
26:23 to give the spiritual primary care
26:25 to be the primary caregiver for 100, 200 people,
26:29 it's just impossible.
26:30 God wants mutual care giving among laity.
26:33 Amen, so that means that we all has some growing to do
26:37 and I bet I would like to know the difference
26:41 when you first arrived at your church.
26:44 Did you see as you began to teach from the Bible
26:48 what God meant the church model to be?
26:50 Did you see your church come alive
26:53 and begin to thrive in this?
26:54 It created warfare. Of course, always.
26:57 Because you have a group that doesn't,
26:59 that doesn't want to change the status quo,
27:02 but then you have a group that realizes,
27:03 you know what, God is calling me
27:05 and I do have friends and neighbors that need Jesus
27:08 and so praise the Lord, blessings happened.
27:11 Well, thank you so much, Julie.
27:13 Thank you, Ken, for coming and sharing today.
27:15 We want to have you comeback
27:17 and we are going to discuss a few more things about this.
27:20 But for those of you at home I hope please lets,
27:24 let this be a wakeup call.
27:25 You know I am a layperson, I am not a professional person
27:28 and really all I did was pressing
27:29 to the presence of the Lord and said,
27:31 Lord, here I am, send me.
27:33 And you know what, he did it.
27:34 I never had to do anything to open the doors for ministry
27:37 God just took me seriously and He sent me out.
27:40 And He wants to do that for all of us,
27:42 it may be just reaching your
27:43 next door neighbor or a coworker,
27:46 but God wants to use you and He can,
27:49 all you have to do is share your testimony
27:51 about what He had done in your life.
27:53 Thanks for watching.