Participants: Karen Thomas, Delbert Baker
Series Code: IAA
Program Code: IAA000077
00:30 Welcome to Issues and Answer, if you enjoy history,
00:34 if you enjoy religious history,
00:36 if you enjoy knowing what happened in 1800s
00:39 and how it is that Seventh-day Adventists
00:41 are looking forward to the second coming of Jesus
00:43 and what prophets may have been around at that time.
00:46 You may enjoy this program.
00:48 We're gonna talk about the life of William Foy
00:51 and this book "The Unknown Prophet"
00:53 by Dr. Delbert Baker.
00:55 Welcome to the program, Dr Baker.
00:56 Thank you.
00:57 Let me tell you a little bit about Dr Baker for those of you
01:00 who are new to meeting him,
01:02 he is a native of Oakland, California,
01:04 the 10th President of Oakwood College.
01:06 He is a pastor and editor
01:08 and administrators and a professor.
01:11 He has written six books, one is "Telling The Story,"
01:15 "Make Us One Secret Keys," "Profiles of Service,"
01:19 "From Exile to Prime Minister" and "The Unknown Prophet"
01:22 and that is what we're going to talk about today.
01:25 So where do we begin with this very interesting topic?
01:28 Well, it's a wonderful story to anyone who likes history
01:31 and Adventist history in general
01:33 more specifically advent history,
01:36 because really William Foy, this black man
01:39 who received visions prior to Ellen White
01:41 was in fact a member of the advent movement,
01:44 not the Seventh-day Adventist Church,
01:46 so there's a difference between the two.
01:48 But this gentleman who was converted in 1835
01:53 was born to a family that was raised
01:57 during very difficult time for black people.
02:00 But he came to know Jesus Christ
02:02 through a congregation's minister
02:03 by the name of Silas Curtis.
02:05 And following 1835, he felt that
02:08 God was impressing him to do something,
02:09 so he went to Boston Mass to go to the seminary,
02:13 to go into the ministry.
02:15 And it was there in Boston that in 1842 William Ellis Foy
02:19 received visions that preceded that of Ellen White.
02:23 And his visions had to do with the advent movement
02:26 talking about heaven to come and the glories and trials
02:29 and various things that happened.
02:31 A fascinating story and it really shows
02:34 that God was dealing more than
02:35 just with one person at one time,
02:37 but he had a grand plan and William for his life
02:41 brings that out in a very powerful way.
02:43 Now tell me about the advent movement,
02:45 what exactly was that?
02:47 The advent movement, a good question
02:48 because many people confuse the advent movement
02:50 with the Adventist movement
02:52 or the Seventh-day Adventist movement.
02:54 Now, the advent movement really preceded
02:55 the Seventh-day Adventist movement
02:57 and that was really started, the main spokesperson
03:00 for that movement was William...
03:01 Well, not William Foy
03:02 but I should say William Miller.
03:04 He was the, he was the major figure
03:07 and the character that so many people know about.
03:08 He was the one that had the conviction
03:10 that Jesus was coming soon.
03:12 And he was preaching in the 1830s and in the 1840s.
03:16 He had this deep conviction
03:17 that Christ was coming to earth soon.
03:20 And as a result of his conviction
03:21 he shared this and this small movement
03:24 of a few people blossomed into something great
03:27 and really magnificent that touched the entire country
03:30 and the world for that matter.
03:32 That's the advent movement.
03:33 Well, many people know about
03:35 the prominent figures like Lynch and Fitch
03:37 and other people who are part of the advent movement,
03:39 but few people know that there was a pretty significant
03:43 contingent of black people
03:44 who were part of the advent movement as well.
03:46 And William Foy was one of the individuals
03:48 when he was in Boston that heard about the movement
03:50 because, you know, Boston was like a center
03:52 to the advent movement during that period.
03:54 They had great rallies.
03:56 William Foy lived on Beacon Hill
03:58 or what they refer to as Nigger Hill.
04:00 And it was just a few blocks from where they have
04:02 these large gatherings of the advent believers.
04:05 Well, being a seminary student in the area
04:07 and wanted to know about ministry,
04:09 he was infected by this advent message--
04:13 Now, what was happening-- That Christ is coming soon.
04:14 Around that time as far as with transitioning from slavery,
04:20 you know, was he in a part, was he a part of that at all?
04:23 Right, well, actually he was a freedmen so he was...
04:27 He had never been,
04:28 his generations had never been slave.
04:30 His parents, but not William Foy.
04:33 So he had the advantage of being free
04:35 and so that why, that way he had the liberty
04:37 in the movement to go from place to place
04:39 and to do various things unlike many people
04:41 who were in slavery during that period of course.
04:44 And that's why he was able to go to Boston,
04:46 go to school and so forth
04:47 and he was in the black community.
04:48 We'll see was there that he came
04:51 to learn about the advent movement.
04:54 He was impressed with the message,
04:56 heard about the second coming, believed in it,
04:58 and he began to be a part of the advent movement, okay.
05:02 And I was following his conversion that in 1842
05:06 that he was on South Arch Street
05:08 at a Baptist church
05:10 and he was with a gathering of people
05:12 that he received his first vision
05:13 that was January 18, 1842.
05:17 And there he saw the glories of heaven
05:20 and the rewards that were coming to God's people
05:23 and he was powerfully moved by the wonderful things
05:26 that were to take place,
05:28 but his vision also talked about the trials
05:30 that they would go through.
05:31 And that was something that kind of burdened his heart
05:33 and so God then gave him this conviction
05:36 but in this vision he did not say to him,
05:39 you have to relate to others which have you seen.
05:41 Okay. Okay.
05:43 So William Foy received the message,
05:45 he was impressed by it and understood
05:47 that it had a great message for people
05:49 but because he was black
05:51 and because of the difficult times
05:53 that he was living in, he was hesitant to share it.
05:56 Well, certainly the name that you use
05:58 for where he resided maybe tells it all.
06:01 The times, so it probably would not have been
06:03 very well received if he had shared his vision
06:06 with other people outside of his community.
06:10 Absolutely and but that's really the way
06:11 it is always been, you know with biblical prophets
06:14 and people who God impresses to do something
06:16 that there is this challenge to share it
06:20 but then there's a reluctance,
06:21 if I shared how will the people receive it,
06:23 what might happen to me, these types of things.
06:26 And so William Foy was not exempt from that,
06:27 he struggled with it in, and yet he knew
06:30 that he had to share with others what he'd seen.
06:33 And so he carried this burden, he just had this on his heart,
06:36 you know, guide has shown me these things,
06:37 I have to tell people, but he didn't.
06:40 He felt impressed to tell it
06:42 but he didn't have the specific command to tell it.
06:46 And so it was a few weeks later in February
06:48 that William Foy received this second vision
06:51 and in this vision he most specifically saw
06:54 about the difficult times that were ahead of the Advent people
06:57 and what they had to go through before Christ would come.
07:02 This time the God told him you got to share with others
07:04 what you've seen.
07:05 He had the message this time.
07:07 There was no escape, there was no excuse,
07:09 he couldn't say, well, I have this wonderful message,
07:10 I should share it but, you know, I won't.
07:13 Specifically the guide said you must share with others
07:15 what you've seen and I will be with you always
07:19 and that was the conviction.
07:20 So he came out of that vision, people around him.
07:24 When you say the guide what do you mean?
07:26 Well, it was this guide that was with him in heaven
07:28 when he was taken to heaven
07:29 and he saw the glories of the world to come and...
07:31 Okay. What was it, an angel?
07:33 It was an angel. Okay.
07:34 That's clearly an angel, mighty powerful angel
07:37 that he said was his guide there
07:39 and was taken from place to place.
07:41 And it's amazing thing, Karen, that
07:44 what William Foy saw was very similar
07:46 to some of the early visions of Ellen White,
07:48 and in my book The Unknown Prophet,
07:50 I compared the two visions
07:53 or similar visions of the two individuals
07:55 and it's remarkable how God gave
07:57 similar scenes to Ellen White
08:01 that He also gave to William Foy.
08:04 But at any rate following the second vision
08:07 that's when he had the real commission,
08:09 the real burden.
08:10 And people wanted to hear it.
08:12 And he said that he knew he had to share it
08:14 but he was so scared.
08:17 He said, how will people accept this mission
08:19 or this vision from me a black man.
08:23 Now Loughborough, John Loughborough,
08:24 one of the early historians in the Adventist church
08:27 brings out how he heard William Foy preach.
08:29 He said he was a powerful preacher.
08:31 He shared the word with conviction
08:33 and he described him as the light skin black man.
08:37 Now many individuals assume from that
08:39 the fact that he's a light skinned,
08:40 he was a light skinned black man
08:42 that he was a mulatto
08:43 but that's really not substantiated by history.
08:45 There are many individuals who are light skinned
08:47 but that doesn't mean that they're mulatto meaning
08:49 that they had a white and black parent.
08:51 And when I researched and studied this out,
08:53 there is no evidence to suggest that,
08:55 in fact it's quite the opposite
08:57 that he in fact was not a mulatto.
08:59 But at any rate he knew that his,
09:02 the reception of this might be mixed,
09:04 but he had to tell it.
09:06 And so what happened is there's a wonderful story,
09:08 you can read it in the book, there's a great chapter on that
09:11 about how he struggled with it and finally some people
09:13 from the local churches in Boston went to William Foy
09:16 and they said, you know, we want to hear
09:18 what you have to say, you know, we knew you envisioned,
09:20 we understood that, we see that.
09:22 Now, this is from the white churches there?
09:23 White and black. Okay.
09:24 In fact, there's a mixed response,
09:26 white and blacks wanted to hear what he had to say.
09:29 He tried to put it off, but he couldn't.
09:30 And so they literally escorted him
09:32 one Sunday morning from his house Beacon Hill
09:36 to a local congregation there.
09:38 He walked in there and as he describes it
09:40 that he had probably or anywhere from
09:42 800 to 1,000 people assembled there to hear his message.
09:47 As he walked in and then this great fear came to him
09:49 and he saw all these people there
09:51 and he is overwhelmed with the weight
09:53 of the commission and what he had to do.
09:54 He said he is, he almost froze up there.
09:57 And he got up there in the front
09:58 and they were waiting for him to speak.
10:00 And he said to the person leading on the program,
10:02 he says listen, you've got to pray or do something like
10:04 how to get my thoughts together.
10:07 He talks about this by the way
10:08 in his little pamphlet that he wrote called
10:10 The Christian Experience, William Ellis Foy.
10:12 And he said that when his, when the guy was praying.
10:16 He said, all of a sudden this great peace came over him.
10:19 The sense of the God's presence
10:21 and he remembered the words of his guide
10:23 that said I will be with you always.
10:26 And he began to speak and as he spoke
10:27 he had such great freedom and such great fluency
10:31 that he sure did he said and whereas once it seemed like
10:33 each person there was like a mountain in themselves,
10:36 he said when he begin to speak, all of a sudden he said
10:38 he felt the power of God washing through him.
10:42 And he talked about as a wonderful experience,
10:44 a wonderful experience and he shared his message
10:47 and he was so relieved when he did so.
10:51 Well, you know this is, this is interesting.
10:53 I had always heard that there was another black man
10:57 who had received the vision
10:58 similar to Ellen White at the time.
11:00 But I didn't know he ever told it to anybody,
11:02 I had thought he didn't.
11:03 Was there anyone else that had
11:05 any type of vision like that at that time?
11:07 Karen, that, that your point is the point,
11:10 that I have underlined and emphasized in the book
11:14 The Unknown Prophet.
11:16 People confuse William Foy with a man who received visions
11:19 after him called Hazen Foss was in fact white.
11:23 So there are three individuals, there's William Foy,
11:25 Hazen Foss, then Ellen White.
11:28 And so you know Foss, Foy the name
11:30 could kind of confuse people, confuse the names.
11:32 And so they often mix the two but in fact what happened is.
11:36 And that's one reason why people confuse
11:38 but there's another reason.
11:39 William Foy in fact did pause in giving his visions.
11:43 History bears out that after he had this conviction,
11:45 after he shared his message like he did
11:48 with that congregation at Boston,
11:50 he did it several times.
11:51 In fact Ellen White herself
11:53 with her father heard William Foy preach.
11:57 And she said, it was a remarkable testimony
11:58 that he voiced, it really impressed with
12:00 what he shared and what he said.
12:02 Well, it was following that, that William Foy was concerned
12:06 about his livelihood and his family, he was married.
12:09 And he wondered how could he support himself
12:12 simply giving these messages and so from about June
12:15 until August of 1842, he did pause
12:18 and stop giving those visions during that period
12:21 and so he talks about this in his book as well.
12:24 Well, during that period when he was stopping,
12:26 he was working with his hands
12:28 earning a living for his family,
12:29 but he said he could never shake the conviction
12:31 that he had to tell what he had seen.
12:33 And he was never released of that burden.
12:36 And so in August, he once again had the conviction
12:40 he's got to share it
12:41 and he received four visions all total,
12:43 four visions all total.
12:45 I referred it to law that refers to the three,
12:47 the third vision with the three platforms
12:49 and I think there's a clear imagery
12:51 or symbolism to the Three Angels' Messages.
12:53 Okay, now for those of us who are not up to speed
12:55 on that platforms,
12:56 can you tell us a little bit about that?
12:58 Well, you know, the Three Angels' Broadcast
13:01 as ties in the word three as well
13:02 but Adventist know three, the number 3 well.
13:07 There's 3 this and 3 that and 7 and 12 and 14
13:10 various things like that.
13:11 But clearly the Three Angels' Messages
13:15 that the Advent movement
13:16 and the really the Adventist church
13:18 I should say really stressed
13:20 was integral to the whole movement.
13:23 The messages of Revelation 14 and about what God was seeking
13:26 to give the people at that time,
13:28 it's fully explained in Revelation Chapter 14.
13:30 It would be wonderful for readers who could read it.
13:32 If our listeners could read that passage
13:34 and just become acquainted with the messages.
13:37 But William Foy refers to these three
13:40 by the three platforms in his third vision.
13:43 Letting them know, I believe without question
13:46 that there had to be a full message
13:48 that was shared before Jesus would come,
13:52 and remembered in that that time,
13:53 all of the messages were not fully expounded in that period.
13:57 It's my conviction and my strong belief
13:59 that if individuals had fully understood his message
14:03 that some would have been spared
14:05 the great disappointment.
14:06 I mean that's a powerful point to think about.
14:08 That God really didn't want
14:10 people to be disappointed the way
14:11 they were just like He didn't want the disciples
14:12 would be disappointed when he was crucified.
14:15 He wanted to warn us to give us a kind of insight
14:17 before it happened.
14:19 Well, in anyway that's three platforms,
14:21 Ellen White refers to the fourth vision.
14:23 She said she had copies of all four
14:24 but she couldn't find them.
14:26 This is recorded by Dores Robinson,
14:28 I think it's about 19, shortly after 1900,
14:30 he talks about his interview
14:33 with Ellen White about William Foy.
14:35 Well, so he had the four visions.
14:38 He paused in 1842 the summer and because of his conviction
14:43 because he was not relieved of this conviction,
14:45 he once again started to preach and to share following August
14:49 and he continued to do so.
14:52 But I don't know if you want to go this yet
14:53 but it was a wonderful thing what happen is see,
14:56 he only received four visions.
14:58 He didn't receive the scores and hundreds of visions
15:01 like Ellen White.
15:02 I clearly see him as being a pre-disappointed prophet
15:05 not post-disappointed prophet.
15:07 Lot of folks are well,
15:08 if William Foy had been faithful,
15:10 he could have been a prophet like Ellen White.
15:11 No, no, I don't see that as being the case at all.
15:13 God had major prophets
15:15 and He had minor prophets in the Bible.
15:17 William Foy was a minor prophet
15:18 who received his visions before 1844,
15:22 Ellen White is what I consider a major prophetess
15:25 or prophet who received visions after 1844.
15:29 And surely the fact that she received these visions
15:32 as a young woman 17, 18 years of age
15:35 and then reflecting back on what she had heard,
15:37 it confirmed to her, that it was the Lord speaking.
15:40 Now, you're saying that she actually did hear Him
15:42 prior to her when she was a young girl...
15:44 Absolutely, you know, she received her vision,
15:46 first vision in December of 1844 as we know
15:50 and this was a time when William Foy
15:52 basically had received all his visions,
15:54 I don't have any record.
15:56 So that was good, he had four vision
15:58 that really were a message to those
16:00 that were involved in the Ad,
16:01 the general Advent movement which was world,
16:03 well, to the then known world I should say
16:06 between the United States and Europe at that time,
16:08 just heralding the second coming of Jesus.
16:11 But then there was this time prophecy
16:14 that the end of the 2,300 days
16:16 that a lot of people were kind of involved with
16:18 and focused on, but they're not knowing
16:20 when Jesus would come
16:22 that was the great disappointment.
16:24 You know, well stated
16:25 and I think this is absolutely, right
16:27 that it was never his purpose sort of plan
16:28 to received visions after that.
16:31 Following 1845 and up to that time Ellen White
16:34 of course heard him in,
16:37 in Maine I should say Portland in particular.
16:41 She and her father had visited him.
16:43 In fact, she saw his wife there and she was talking about
16:47 what a genuine experience he had.
16:49 Well, it was following that the William Foy moved
16:51 out of the Boston area.
16:53 And people don't know this and this really substantiates
16:56 out of the fact that he didn't stop sharing his message
16:58 for what his book bears it out in 1845.
17:01 He was preaching and teaching and he wrote out his visions
17:04 at least two of them,
17:06 so individuals could know about them
17:08 but he left that area
17:09 and went to East Sullivan area of Maine
17:14 and he was a pastor there, pastor of church until 1893.
17:19 And folks don't know this really 1870s
17:20 and then he died in 1893.
17:22 But he was faithful to the very end.
17:24 And I had the privilege of just traveling
17:27 through that area in searching all of his,
17:29 his steps in following where he was
17:31 and one of the thrills of my research a few years back was.
17:35 I met a man who knew someone who knew of William Foy.
17:38 This gentle black preacher who lived in the Sullivan area
17:42 and preached the gospel he said
17:44 and he was very, very much involved in local community.
17:47 He helped poor and homeless families.
17:49 He helped to build shelters for people in the area there
17:52 and had a wonderful ministry not public, not big time
17:56 but it was a very significant ministry.
17:59 Some people say, "Well, what about William Foy
18:01 and the Sabbath?"
18:02 I mean did he ever accept the Sabbath.
18:04 I have no evidence that he did
18:05 and there's nothing in my research that suggests
18:08 that he accepted the Sabbath.
18:10 But of course many people during that period,
18:11 many of the advent believers didn't accept the Sabbath
18:14 and really didn't fully buy into it
18:16 and didn't understand it and whatever
18:18 but they were blessed of God.
18:20 Ellen White speaks about seeing Finch and Lynch in heaven
18:24 in their part they played.
18:25 William Miller himself as we well know
18:28 was one who had the advent message,
18:30 but didn't fully understand all the intricacies
18:32 of the Sabbath and that type of thing.
18:34 But in anyway the point is that he was faithful
18:37 in the sharing of his commission.
18:38 He moved off the scene.
18:40 Now, I have to share this point because this shows the,
18:44 the linking between William Foy and Ellen White.
18:49 When Ellen received her vision, her first vision
18:53 and feeling that God was speaking to her.
18:56 She was speaking one time and Hazen Foss,
18:59 the white gentleman who received visions
19:01 after William Foy who was black.
19:07 Hazen Foss had this conviction
19:10 that he should share what he had received.
19:12 This is again before 1844 before that whole experience
19:16 and he said, "Well, I don't know
19:18 if it's to be true,
19:19 I don't know if this actually going to happen.
19:21 I don't know if God's going to really come through
19:23 and when the great disappointment happened,
19:25 I mean Hazen Foss and no one else wanted
19:27 anything to do with the movement.
19:29 And it seemed well, Ellen White says
19:32 that she was speaking one time and Hazen Foss heard her
19:36 and spoke to her after
19:38 and said be faithful to your commission
19:40 and you will receive the crown that I might have received.
19:44 What a shocking statement.
19:45 He was the man who refused to do it,
19:46 he said, I am not going to give it,
19:48 I'm not going to give the message,
19:49 even though he received a second vision
19:52 which had said that if you don't share these messages,
19:54 I'm talking about Foss now,
19:55 Hazen Foss that the Sprit of God
19:57 will be withdrawn from you.
19:58 He refused to do it and when he refused,
20:01 he had this impression come over him that he was a lost man
20:04 and that in fact the spirit had been withdrawn.
20:07 At that point he became very animated
20:10 and said I'll tell it, I'll tell it,
20:11 he pulls, he hastily pulls together
20:13 the little group of people and they come together
20:15 and he begins to try to share what he's seen.
20:18 And the people who attended said
20:20 it was the most terrible meeting they ever attended.
20:23 He said he couldn't remember anything God had shown him
20:25 and he said before the group, I'm a lost man.
20:28 He was a man who is disobedient,
20:30 he had rejected the message and refused to give it,
20:32 he said I'm a lost man.
20:34 And so later when he heard Ellen White give her visions.
20:37 He said to her, be faithful and you will receive the crown
20:40 that I might have received.
20:42 Now, that's Hazen Foss.
20:43 William Foy also heard Ellen White
20:47 and she records this account in her 1912 interview.
20:51 She says that she was speaking
20:53 and there was this man in the back of the room,
20:56 she says it was William Foy
20:59 and when she was speaking, she said he jumped up
21:01 and said it is just what I have seen,
21:03 just what I've seen, he was excited,
21:05 he was animated, he was praising God
21:07 for the message that she had received
21:09 and she said he said it so that it seemed like
21:12 it almost disrupted the meeting in a sense.
21:13 She said she felt that he thought a little embarrassed
21:16 or ill at ease by the way.
21:17 He was kind of carrying on and sharing what he had seen.
21:21 So she said that following that meeting,
21:23 she never heard anything about him again.
21:25 He moved off the scene and she said
21:28 but it's a remarkable testimony that he bore.
21:30 It's my impression from studying the,
21:33 the personality William Foy that he realized here
21:36 there was this marvelous transition that took place.
21:39 You see he had received these visions
21:40 and he had the raw data so to speak.
21:42 But he didn't have the interpretation.
21:45 Here comes Ellen White who has the vision,
21:46 she knows about the platforms
21:48 and all the messages that would take place.
21:50 But she is not simply the visions
21:52 but she has the interpretation along with it,
21:54 the advent message.
21:57 And I think that he clearly saw and understood
21:59 that God had passes on to another individual
22:03 and that she was faithfully proclaiming it.
22:05 He saw as he did when he jumped up and down
22:07 in that meeting that he didn't want
22:10 any kind of a conflict or burden
22:11 or problem or competition.
22:13 And so he saw this and he moves off the scene
22:15 and he goes to the southern part of Maine
22:18 and he what refer to the southern part of Maine
22:21 and he gives his ministry and shares his story,
22:23 never receiving other visions.
22:25 But faithfully proclaiming what he had seen
22:27 until his death in 1893
22:30 and it's a marvelous story when you see it,
22:31 that God is using different people in different ways,
22:35 a different diverse ethnic backgrounds,
22:39 the gender issues included there,
22:41 educated and not educated.
22:43 God wants to use anyone who is willing to be used
22:46 and he's a message that he wants to give.
22:48 And he would give it to those individuals
22:49 who are willing to share it.
22:51 Well, that sounds like the message of today's program.
22:55 There's like two individuals, two passive,
22:59 two different people had an opportunity to take,
23:01 one was follow and do whatever God says for you to do,
23:05 even if it's outrageous or even if it's unusual
23:08 or it's not been done before and one person said yes,
23:12 I'll go ahead and take that step
23:14 and the other person, just for whatever reason
23:17 there's not a lot of history on this other person, is there?
23:20 This is Hazen Foss. Right, Hazen Foss.
23:22 Yeah, he was relative to Ellen White through marriage.
23:24 And he was a man who knew about the advent message,
23:27 yeah, he was acquainted with it.
23:28 Okay, so he made a real decision.
23:31 And I was feeling kind of badly about this
23:33 and not to say I shouldn't be feeling badly about him
23:35 but he wasn't a novice on the topic.
23:39 Okay, he just made a decision, he did not want to do it.
23:42 He didn't want to do it, I mean
23:43 and many people can relate to that,
23:45 I mean here was a movement that was struggling
23:48 that was new after the great disappointment.
23:51 October 22, 1844 people didn't know
23:53 if they want to be a part of this movement.
23:55 And it was a challenge, it's a tough,
23:57 it's tough thing and people wanted to,
23:58 you know, protect their names, their reputation,
24:00 their livelihood and so it was a tough decision,
24:04 but Hazen Foss made a clear choice,
24:06 he said I will not give it, William Foy, did not do that.
24:09 In fact William Foy did fulfill his commission.
24:12 I think that's the difference we want to keep in mind there
24:14 and make very clear.
24:17 When I was studying my research
24:20 for this book The Unknown Prophet
24:22 that actually was published in 1986
24:26 by Review and Herald publishing Association.
24:30 The breakthrough came for me when I realize that
24:33 where some people said that
24:34 William Foy had rejected this message
24:37 and he wasn't faithful when he had his first vision
24:40 and he didn't share the others.
24:41 Ellen White was the one that really provided
24:44 the breakthrough for me when she said
24:45 that she heard him following 1842.
24:49 Give his message and she talked about
24:51 how remarkable it was,
24:52 what if she heard him after this time
24:53 when people said he had rejected
24:55 and they said he died, how could that be.
24:58 There's no way.
24:59 And that got me thinking about,
25:00 let me search this out and find out about this man.
25:03 And I was at Andrews University seminary
25:06 that I began my research there
25:09 that led me deeper and deeper into the subject.
25:11 And so you see that it's clear
25:14 and then there is this whole thing
25:16 to some people try to suggest
25:17 that it's a race issue or the fact that,
25:20 people want to make it seem like the black man rejected
25:22 but Ellen White was faithful, I don't really think
25:25 that's the case at all, I just think that between the--
25:27 With the issue the names Foss and Foy.
25:30 The proximity of these two individuals,
25:31 the fact that one did reject and one didn't.
25:34 The fact that William Foy did pause
25:36 for a brief period during his time
25:38 and he didn't give the messages,
25:40 his visions but he started again.
25:43 I think people are just confused
25:44 and they don't know that much about it
25:45 as his life is never really researched and so forth.
25:48 And I'm just happy that we have an opportunity
25:51 now to hear the truth about it because it helps to clarify
25:54 a very, very important point in Adventists history
25:57 as it relates back on advent history and William Foy.
26:01 And the exciting thing to me though is
26:03 it doesn't stop there.
26:05 It goes on to say that God does communicate with his people
26:09 and we have this marvelous gift of the Spirit of Prophecy,
26:12 the writings of Ellen G. White, that we now have in book form
26:16 and CD-ROM and in other ways.
26:19 Incredible gift that God is using to speak to us today
26:23 if we would only take the time and read it
26:25 and apply it to our lives.
26:28 Well, I really appreciate your coming
26:29 on the program today, Dr. Baker.
26:31 And I have seen some studies actually as a program
26:36 that's been aired on 3ABN on the life of William Miller
26:38 and the advent movement.
26:40 And this is just a wonderful piece addendum
26:43 to that particular bit of history.
26:45 Again for those of you
26:46 who are interested in obtaining the book.
26:48 It is "The Unknown Prophet" by Dr. Delbert W. Baker.
26:53 And we'll have it on the 3ABN website
26:55 on how you can get a hold of this book.
26:57 It will be reprinted in paperback form
27:01 so that's going to be really convenient for our listeners
27:03 and as well viewers as well.
27:05 Would you consider this to be a book to share with people
27:08 who enjoy history?
27:09 Absolutely. Okay.
27:10 I think it's a great book. Okay.
27:12 Well, again if you'd like to know more about the book
27:15 "The Unknown Prophet" and about Dr. Delbert Baker,
27:18 you can go to the 3ABN website www.3abn.org
27:25 and you can obtain information about that
27:27 or you can call the 800 number that you see 1800-7523-226.
27:34 You know the point of this program
27:35 is that there always are two roads that we can take.
27:38 The Lord gives us a choice,
27:40 He doesn't force His will on any of us.
27:42 Why not choose life.
27:45 Choose God's way
27:46 and you'll be happy, you'll never regret it.
27:48 And look at the life of Ellen White,
27:50 if you want to study more about her,
27:52 how fulfilled and happy she was for doing God's will.
27:55 Have a blessed day in the Lord and see you next time.