Participants: Agatha Thrash (Host), Don Miller, Rhonda Clark
Series Code: HYTH
Program Code: HYTH000237
00:01 Hello, as with most things in medicine and anatomy
00:06 and health, we're learning new things all the time
00:09 and the heart is no exception.
00:12 Everything from new foods that can keep us from
00:17 coagulating the blood inside the blood vessels to new testing
00:20 things, we'd like to talk with you about these that we know
00:24 you'll love the information that we have and I'm sure
00:28 you will appreciate my guests, we hope you will join us.
00:52 Welcome to Help Yourself To Health
00:54 with Dr. Agatha Thrash of Uchee Pines Institute
00:57 and now here is your host Dr. Thrash.
01:01 I think one of the most distressing problems
01:07 that I run into is that of how to lower the cholesterol
01:11 in a person who's ordinary measures don't work well.
01:17 So I would like to invite you to come with me and I would like to
01:22 introduce you to my first guest who is Rhonda Clark,
01:27 Rhonda, welcome to the program today.
01:30 - Thank you!
01:31 - And I'm happy that you are going to talk with us on
01:33 how to lower the cholesterol.
01:35 - Yes!
01:36 - I get calls from time to time and I'm sure you do too
01:38 at Uchee Pines, about how to get the cholesterol down.
01:44 I've tried this, I've tried that I've been on this kind of diet
01:48 and that kind of diet, I've taken this kind of medicine
01:52 and it's still high.
01:55 How do you help them?
01:57 Well I have some things to recommend and it's a blessing,
02:00 simple lifestyle measures can make a big difference
02:03 in one's cholesterol level.
02:04 So let me share with you some the things I brought with
02:07 me today, one of the things that we know commonly
02:11 about lowering the cholesterol is to lower the fats in our
02:13 diet and it makes a difference the types of fats that we take
02:17 out of our diet.
02:18 The two big enemies when it comes to our cholesterol count
02:21 are saturated fats and trans fats, you may know trans fats
02:27 by another term, partially hydrogenated or hydrogenated
02:31 fats, these are very contributory to the development
02:35 of elevated cholesterol levels and should be eliminated from
02:38 the diet.
02:39 On the other hand, some beneficial fats may lower the
02:43 cholesterol, these are the fats that we find in whole plant
02:46 foods, such as nuts, olives, avocados, the nuts that are
02:52 especially of benefit are almonds, pecans and walnuts.
02:56 Several studies have been done on the use of almonds
02:59 to lower the cholesterol and have been very encouraging,
03:03 so these should be included in moderation in a healthy diet
03:06 to lower cholesterol.
03:08 All plant based diet makes a big difference, any product that was
03:14 made by an animal or is an animal that we take into our
03:17 diet will give us cholesterol.
03:18 When we go to a strictly plant based diet our cholesterol can
03:23 very nicely come down.
03:25 There also is an important aspect of a plant based diet,
03:30 it's helpful for us in lowering cholesterol, and that's it's
03:32 fiber content, when we eat a high fiber diet, we trap bile
03:38 which holds cholesterol and excrete it from the body.
03:42 The liver is excellent at recycling bile and just building
03:46 the cholesterol, making cholesterol for us when we help
03:50 eliminate more bile by eating a high fat diet the cholesterol
03:54 is used then in making more new bile, helping to lower the blood
03:58 cholesterol level.
04:00 Another tip is to spend time in the sunlight every day,
04:04 sunlight as it strikes our skin manufactures vitamin D
04:08 in the manufacturing of this vitamin D, cholesterol is
04:12 utilized, as that cholesterol is used, the skin needs to
04:15 pull more cholesterol from our blood to continue making
04:19 vitamin D.
04:20 So spending 20 minutes or more of sunlight on the skin
04:24 every day is very beneficial in lowering cholesterol.
04:27 One study showed that a two hour sun bath lowered total
04:32 cholesterol levels 13%, so this can be very beneficial
04:36 in your over all program.
04:38 I wanted to share some herbs too that can be beneficial in
04:42 lowering cholesterol, garlic, taking garlic in the diet
04:46 regularly can help lower cholesterol and flax seed,
04:50 these contain some of the beneficial fats that we
04:53 mentioned as well as fiber, which are both helpful in
04:57 lowering cholesterol.
04:58 Another interesting herb, actually a resin called Google
05:03 can lower cholesterol as can red rice yeast,
05:07 these can be found at your health food store,
05:10 and can be taken according to package instructions
05:13 to lower cholesterol.
05:14 One other interesting thing I wanted to mention in
05:18 lowering cholesterol, and that is a particular type of food,
05:22 those foods that are high in a substance called plant sterols
05:27 or plant stanols, these are plant steroids that help
05:31 inhibit the synthesis of cholesterol or the building of
05:35 cholesterol in our liver.
05:37 Foods that are high in plant stanols or sterols include
05:41 potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, soy products, celery, all of the
05:49 lettuces, peaches, blueberries, and apples, some of my favorite
05:55 foods and I'm sure some of your favorite foods as well.
05:57 - Yes! I like to hear blueberries coming up
05:59 because blueberries are so tasty and there are so many
06:03 dishes that they fit into well. - Uhuh!
06:04 - All the way from a smoothie to a crisp and breads that are
06:08 made with it. - And muffins and pancakes.
06:10 - Yes! They're not only delightful to look at,
06:14 but they are delightful to eat and delightful to work with.
06:17 - Indeed! - And of course they have
06:19 so many health benefits. - Yes!
06:21 You know I found an interesting study in my research for this
06:24 and this was done in 2003.
06:26 They took two groups of people and put them one on a
06:30 cholesterol lowering medication called Lovastatin and the
06:33 other group went of a lifestyle program where they had
06:36 an ounce of raw almonds in their diet every day,
06:39 they increased the fiber in their diet, they ate foods high
06:44 in plant sterols, they got regular exercise,
06:48 another important factor in lowering cholesterol.
06:50 These individuals in over four weeks of following this program
06:54 had the same, in fact just slightly higher results, they
06:59 lowered their cholesterol equally as well, or
07:02 actually a little bit lower I should say instead of higher
07:04 as the medication and had none of the harmful side effects,
07:09 in fact they had the benefits of these plants to the other
07:12 systems of their body.
07:13 So lifestyle means certainly can be effective in lowering
07:17 cholesterol, I will mention one other supplement that I happened
07:21 to cross in my research and this one I am not familiar with
07:23 this is new but the research is rather interesting, it's a plant
07:26 alcohol called policosanol found at the health food store
07:31 it comes from sugar cane or yams.
07:34 This substance is especially effective in lowering the LDL
07:39 the low density lipoprotein type of cholesterol or what we
07:43 commonly know as our bad cholesterol.
07:46 After taking policosanol for 6-8 weeks the subjects
07:51 in the study lowered their LDL cholesterol a range from 11-27%,
07:57 rather interesting I thought.
07:59 - Yes, I've talked with a physician who has had some
08:05 experience with that and he was quite charmed with the
08:08 thought that this plant substance could from just
08:13 sugar cane and yams could have such a beneficial effect
08:17 on peoples cholesterol.
08:19 - Now he may have mentioned to you there is one precaution
08:22 in taking this is that is at its higher doses it has a
08:26 blood thinning component to it as well, now that can be
08:29 helpful if you are not on a blood thinning medication,
08:32 but if you do take an anti-coagulant
08:34 a blood thinning medication, you may want to stay away from
08:37 the highest doses of this or at least watch for any signs
08:41 of excessive bleeding, like bruises that you can't explain.
08:44 - Or blood in the urine or blood in the bowel movement.
08:48 - Yes, these would be...
08:50 - Or easy bleeding of the nose or whatever.
08:52 Very good now cholesterol is not the only fat that can be high
09:01 that can cause the heart a problem.
09:03 - Yes! There is also triglyceride.
09:05 - Oh indeed!
09:07 - Do you have people a lot who ask you about that?
09:11 - Surprisingly a great number, it seems some people will call
09:15 and say that their cholesterol count is really ok but their
09:18 triglycerides are so high, and have asked what can we do
09:22 to get our triglyceride level down.
09:23 The same things that we have recommended for cholesterol
09:27 can also lower triglycerides, but I want to add a couple
09:30 of other suggestions.
09:32 One triglycerides are also elevated when we have
09:36 an abundance of carbohydrates in our diet, especially the
09:39 refined simple sugars, eliminate the refined products from
09:44 your diet, and I think you will be pleased to see your
09:46 triglyceride coming down.
09:48 Another thing to recommend, a surprising little study that
09:53 was done on kiwi fruit. - Oh yes!
09:55 They had individuals eat two to three kiwis a day and in
09:59 21 days these folks all saw decreases in
10:02 their triglycerides.
10:03 - Oh I like that treatment. - Yes! A very nice treatment
10:06 indeed, and some theorize the vitamin C in which these
10:09 little fruits are so high in may have had a component in
10:12 lowering the triglyceride level.
10:13 I wanted to make one final thought that I want to mention
10:18 to, not only about carbohydrate intake and fat intake but
10:21 when we overeat in general, even of healthful foods
10:25 we can see elevations in our triglyceride level.
10:28 So eating in moderation, following a two meal plan
10:32 may be just the thing that will finally bring your triglyceride
10:36 level down to a healthy value, a healthy range.
10:40 - Very good, thank you so much Rhonda.
10:42 - Thank you for having me. - I appreciate it.
10:43 Now we have another aspect of this thing of cholesterol
10:50 that I would like you to know and that is HDL and LDL and IDL
10:57 and VLDL, and I have a chart that I think will make this
11:01 a little clearer for you so let me just show you
11:06 my chart and see if this doesn't make this clearer.
11:10 Here is a fat globule with a fatty inner core and an
11:18 outer core of phospholipids and cholesterol in the
11:24 little valleys between the rounded portions of the
11:29 phospholipids, of course this is just a schematic drawing
11:33 and here is a little portion of the fat molecule taken up
11:41 so that you can see the inside.
11:43 Just the very structure of this is interesting, notice how the
11:47 artist has put this with hair pins showing that this part
11:51 is always on the outside, and this part is always on the
11:55 inside, interesting structure chemically speaking.
11:59 Then on the surface there are attachment sites for substances
12:07 that can help to remove the cholesterol from the body,
12:12 now if you will look at this portion of the chart,
12:16 here is the HDL, high density lipoprotein, and you can see
12:22 that these are small, these are a little larger,
12:26 these larger yet and these are LDL and the IDL and the VLDL
12:34 now all of these are different forms of lipoprotein,
12:41 and the lipoprotein as we saw here the phospholipids,
12:46 these are the ones that can carry the cholesterol
12:51 so the cholesterol gets into the HDL and can be taken out
12:58 of the body in that way.
13:00 Here is a cell which can take up cholesterol having the
13:07 cholesterol born into these little pits which can go into
13:13 the cell and the cell then recycles these little portions
13:19 of cholesterol, so this can help you some what we can make
13:24 cholesterol inside the body in the liver or we can take it
13:28 in with the food and it is absorbed through the intestinal
13:33 tract and in this way we can see that cholesterol is indeed
13:38 quite a study itself, not a simple thing of I've got high
13:43 blood cholesterol but what form of high blood cholesterol
13:46 do you have.
13:47 If your HDL is high, that's good we're very happy for that,
13:51 but if the LDL or the VLDL, if those are high,
13:55 we're not so happy with that those can be damaging for us.
13:59 And interestingly enough cholesterol and triglycerides
14:03 are not the only problem with substances made in the body
14:08 or that can be made in the body that can cause a problem,
14:12 homocystene and other substances can also cause a problem
14:17 for the heart.
14:18 Now I have asked Dr. Don Miller to also be a guest on our
14:23 program today, and I would like for you to talk with us
14:27 about another aspect of this thing having to do with
14:31 cardiac concerns.
14:32 - Ok I will, but you know as you are showing a picture of that
14:35 cholesterol, I'm thinking as simple as that thing is
14:41 how can anyone believe in evolution.
14:42 - I know. - It is basically so simple
14:45 compared to one eye cone but still people believe in that
14:50 strange thing, God is a good God.
14:51 - Yes and to have one cholesterol molecule which is
14:56 essential for our health. - Absolutely!
14:58 We have to have cholesterol for a number of things
15:00 we have to have it in the skin to make the pro vitamin D
15:05 and we have to have it in all of our hormone organs
15:11 so that they can make our various hormones.
15:13 So it's essential to the functioning of the body
15:17 and yet one wrong enzyme, can make it so that we cannot make
15:25 cholesterol in a proper way.
15:27 So it's impossible, and dozens of them are needed,
15:32 so we would have to have a real explosion of evolution,
15:36 I don't know how I could have ever believed in that theory.
15:39 - Yes it is strange. - It's sociological.
15:41 - It is strange.
15:42 I remember one time we had a... at Uchee Pines we wanted to get
15:47 one of these cholesterol screening machines and so we
15:51 had a couple of different companies with their salesman
15:54 come and I remember very distinctly the day that the man
15:58 came and he put his nice machine down and buffed it up,
16:01 he was real happy with this machine, it was a great machine,
16:04 and a bunch of us lined up and we had little finger sticks
16:08 and got a little drop of blood and he started feeding these
16:11 things into the machine and after about five or six went
16:14 through the machine, he stopped he said just a minute,
16:16 I think there is something wrong,
16:17 I have to re-calibrate my machine.
16:19 So he put his calibration fluids in there and he re-calibrated
16:22 and he said I think it's alright and took some more of our blood
16:25 and he said I'm sorry, maybe it got hurt in shipping
16:29 because it's not working.
16:30 He said well what's wrong, he said all these cholesterols
16:33 are coming out below 150, I don't know the wrong is here.
16:36 - You could have told him what was wrong.
16:38 - You're at Uchee Pines.
16:40 - Where they exercise and have sunlight and have a vegan diet.
16:45 - Absolutely!
16:46 - And trust in divine power, all of those things that make
16:49 for a low blood cholesterol.
16:50 - And you've got to do all of these things, we believe that
16:53 the good cholesterol level is 100 plus your age,
16:57 and if you are 80 years old, it doesn't mean that it's good
16:59 to have 180, really the lower the better.
17:02 Triglycerides we like to see it about what the age is,
17:05 so mine could be just around 60, that's a good triglyceride
17:10 for me, I like to keep mine lower.
17:12 They did a very interesting study up in Finland a number of
17:15 years ago, they took 30,000 men and women from Finland
17:20 who were at risk for coronary heart disease, and they did
17:24 just three simple things for these people:
17:28 One they got them off of tobacco, we realize tobacco
17:32 is poison not only to the heart, but to the entire
17:35 vascular system, got them off of tobacco.
17:38 Second thing, they lowered the blood pressure, taking care
17:42 of salt in the diet, getting them exercising and a few things
17:45 like that, it's quite easy to lower the blood pressure.
17:48 Third thing lowered the cholesterol intake into the body
17:52 which is very easy, you give them more plant based
17:55 carbohydrates and proteins rather than animal ones,
17:59 so that you are not getting so much cholesterol
18:01 into the body.
18:02 What were the results, within a short period of time
18:05 they found that they had a 55% reduction in fatal heart attacks
18:09 in the men and a 70% reduction in fatal heart attacks
18:13 in the women, from three factors, just three factors.
18:19 And there's other factors that affect the heart you know
18:21 some people say well Paul told Timothy take a little wine
18:24 for your stomach's sake, and then someone's people say
18:27 well we take some wine for our hearts sake and we find
18:30 that the number amount of wine that you'd have to take to get
18:35 the beneficial effect for your heart is about 12 glasses
18:39 of wine which then intoxicate you and it's toxic to the
18:43 heart muscle.
18:44 So instead of giving them wine, purple grape juice has the
18:48 resveratrol which has an anti platelet stickiness factor
18:53 which keeps the blood moving freely as along with a
18:56 clove of garlic a day would do the same thing.
18:58 - And the resveratrol has recently been shown to have a
19:02 very beneficial effect on the endothelium, the endothelium
19:06 is the lining of blood vessels and the elasticity and
19:11 plasticity of this membrane is so important to the
19:16 blood vessels to keep them healthy,
19:18 resveratrol is important for that, where would you get
19:24 - From grapes. - Purple grapes, and you said
19:26 no wine. - Wine has other toxins,
19:29 - Cardio-toxic and so...
19:32 - Cardio-toxic alcohol is not good for the heart and women
19:38 and people who take mammo-toxic alcohol will have more breast
19:45 problems, breast cancer and other problems.
19:48 So we can get resveratrol from purple grape juice,
19:51 or purple grapes but also from most berries, blueberries
19:56 is one cranberries, strawberries, most berries
19:59 will give some resveratrol, peanuts have resveratrol
20:04 and a number of other foods are found to have significant
20:08 qualities of resveratrol, but these are all
20:11 plant based, notice.
20:12 So a plant based diet can be most important to keeping
20:18 the cardio-vascular system in good health.
20:21 - Absolutely, another one is exercise, they find that those
20:24 who exercise have half the amount of coronary problems
20:27 as those who are sedentary, people who are sedentary
20:31 the health deficit of people who smoke a pack of cigarettes
20:38 a day, and so the need to be out and be active,
20:42 to be exercising every day, not weekend warriors,
20:45 but every day getting good exercise.
20:47 - What would you think of a person who just does not like
20:50 to be outside, they love what goes on inside, they love their
20:55 computer, they love their telephone, they love their
20:58 desks and their reading.
21:01 They have to learn to love their heart monitors too,
21:04 they really need to find a way to break out of that and get out
21:09 and do exercise, now if they don't like outside for some
21:11 other reasons, then get some indoor exercise equipment
21:15 and there are some good ones but still you got to have your
21:18 windows open and get fresh air, exercise is so vital to the
21:21 human body, you really can't live right without it.
21:23 - Many women don't like to get out of door where they live
21:26 because it's not safe in the city where they live,
21:29 and for them of course we can recommend a spa, or we can
21:33 recommend the Y, or to get some indoor exercise equipment
21:42 that can keep them from being sedentary.
21:44 - one of those simple re- bounders just stand there doing
21:46 re-bounding is very good for the entire body,
21:49 that little shake up is good for the bones for osteoporosis,
21:52 it gets your cardiovascular system working,
21:54 gets your respiratory system working, lots of good effects
21:58 from just something as simple as re-bounding, plus you have
22:00 no stress on the knees and the legs and hips.
22:03 - Yes, that's such an important thing.
22:05 - Very important.
22:06 - Yes, well I'm so happy that you brought up these things,
22:09 thank you so much for being on our program today.
22:11 - My pleasure, thank you.
22:12 Now to talk about some of the testing that we now have
22:17 that can help you to know more about your heart and how
22:21 healthy it is, one of those is homocystine, homocystine
22:26 is a rather new kid on the block you might say,
22:32 in laboratory testing, an we note this about it,
22:36 that the lower it is the better.
22:40 Now with cholesterol generally speaking, the lower it is
22:44 the better, now apparently there are some people
22:47 who may need a little higher cholesterol level, these are
22:51 rare but an occasional person does seem to need a bit
22:55 higher level.
22:56 Maybe some of their hormone glands require a bit more
23:02 cholesterol or whatever, but with homocystine
23:05 at least to the present time, the lower it is the better.
23:09 So we recommend that it be below 10 if at all possible,
23:13 certainly below 12, and people who's homocystines are down
23:17 around 5, they are sort of enviable, but there are many
23:22 who do have low homocystine levels.
23:25 Now another one is C- Reactive Protein or CRP, the C-Reactive
23:32 Protein we've had for a long time, but in it's application
23:36 as a cardiac test we have not had it for that long.
23:40 C- Reactive Protein indicates an inflammatory condition
23:46 in the body, when there is an inflammation in the body
23:51 it put a strain on a variety of organs, one of those is
23:56 the heart, it also increases the likelihood that there will
24:00 be small clots, microscopic in size, or large clots,
24:05 large enough that they could block a major blood vessel,
24:09 and the C- Reactive Protein is an indicator for us that
24:15 something is not good for the cardio vascular system.
24:18 Now there are some anti- inflammatory herbs that are
24:23 quite good for the high C- Reactive Proteins for the high
24:30 fibrinogen level which is also a factor that we can check
24:36 to see how good the heart is having it in your body
24:41 and for these an anti- inflammatory herb may be very
24:46 good, there are also some anti- inflammatory foods, apples,
24:50 most fruits, blueberries, kiwi, all of these are very good
24:57 for the heart and are especially high in anti-inflammatory
25:02 Hawthorne berry which is double first cousin to an apple,
25:06 Hawthorne berry is an herb which we always think of when we
25:11 think of heart, heart disease, Hawthorne berry, and it's also
25:16 good for the blood pressure, white willow bark,
25:19 one of the best anti- inflammatory herbs that we have,
25:22 it also has some anti-pain characteristics so we can use
25:27 that as well, and white willow bark has yet another wonderful
25:33 feature, and that is it has a very nice anti-coagulant
25:40 Interestingly, when we take these herbs, especially if we
25:46 take them in a crude form rather than in a purified derivative,
25:51 if we take these herbs they will usually not overstep
25:58 the boundaries of good health so that we over shoot
26:02 anti-coagulation as a drug anti-coagulant can do.
26:07 Then the common kitchen Turmeric, that's very good
26:10 1/2 teaspoonful one, two, three, four times a day can be most
26:16 beneficial to people for it's anti-inflammatory qualities,
26:21 also has a little anti-coagulant properties as well.
26:26 Rosemary, another common kitchen herb, grow rosemary,
26:31 put it in all your soups and and all your stews,
26:34 put Rosemary in breads, sprinkle it on Pizzas, put it on pasta,
26:42 it's very good in it's use in the kitchen.
26:46 So major on Rosemary and don't forget that it can grow if
26:51 you don't have a garden, right in a flower pot, so put it in
26:54 your living room in a beautiful flower pot, I think it's a very
26:59 nice looking herb, and when you go by just cause the little herb
27:06 to wave in the breeze and see what a nice aroma it puts in
27:10 your entire house.
27:11 Kava Kava another very good herb that has an anti-inflammatory
27:17 quality, one dose, whatever that may be, if it's a tea
27:22 then use one cup four times a day, whatever the done is
27:26 on the package that you purchase take that four times a day.
27:29 And then the last one is ginger, ginger has a very good
27:34 anti-inflammatory quality and can be most helpful in a variety
27:41 of different kinds of heart diseases,
27:44 these are simple things that we have told you
27:47 but if you do these things you will have very good
27:51 cardiac health, Good Bye!