Participants: Agatha Thrash, Wynn Horsely, Don Miller
Series Code: HYTH
Program Code: HYTH000171
00:01 Welcome to "Help Yourself to Health"
00:03 I'm Agatha Thrash, a staff physician
00:05 at Uchee Pines Institute...
00:07 and we're going to talk with you today about this very
00:11 dreaded diagnosis "cancer"
00:14 You know, I don't even like the word, do you?
00:18 And yet, we're not powerless against it.
00:21 There're many things that we can do...
00:23 And we'll be talking with you about some things that
00:26 cause cancer and some things that you can do
00:28 to keep yourself from getting cancer.
00:30 We'd like to have you join us.
00:53 Welcome to "Help Yourself to Health"
00:55 with Dr. Agatha Thrash of Uchee Pines Institute
00:58 and now, here's your host, Dr. Thrash
01:03 There have been several times in my life when I have
01:06 made some MAJOR changes in my life.
01:10 One of those has to do with the lungs...
01:14 And I have here from the American Lung Association,
01:17 a model, or a little representation of the lungs
01:20 I was just looking at this cancer of the lung...
01:24 and I remember when I stopped smoking...
01:26 It was a day when a surgeon friend of mine brought a lung
01:33 over to the laboratory for me to examine it
01:36 and to give him the terrible diagnosis of cancer.
01:39 Of course, we already knew it was cancer.
01:41 And, I made a major lifestyle change at that time.
01:45 Then, there have been some other times when I've made changes.
01:49 When my mother was diagnosed with cancer of the colon,
01:52 I made some other major changes,
01:55 realizing that cancer of the colon sort of runs in families
01:59 and so do life style, so I made some life style changes
02:03 with that.
02:04 And then, I've made some other changes...
02:07 cancer of the breast and cancer of the ovaries are
02:09 known to be associated with a variety of dietary
02:13 lifestyles and habits...
02:16 And so I have made some major changes as I have gotten
02:20 into the age of being susceptible to those
02:23 kinds of cancers.
02:25 And there are so many... being fair-skinned and blue-eyed
02:29 I've made some changes having to do with the way that I
02:33 take care of my skin.
02:34 And so I'd like to talk with you today...
02:37 and I would like for my colleague at Uchee Pines
02:39 to join me, Dr. Winn Horsley,
02:42 who will assist me with the presentation of a LARGE
02:46 amount of material on cancer...
02:49 so much written today, Dr. Horsley... Hello
02:51 on this matter of cancer...
02:54 And, Dr. Horsley and I and the other staff physicians
02:58 at Uchee Pines see a good bit of cancer... We do.
03:01 We feel that there are many things that we can do
03:08 and yet we also realize that this is a very powerful foe.
03:12 So, we want to do what we can.
03:14 So, Dr. Winn, would you sort of kick the ball off for us
03:19 in talking about cancer.
03:21 Well, maybe one could start with this issue of growth.
03:27 All right... yes, growth.
03:29 Growth is always good, isn't it?
03:31 Well, you know, we tend to think that way.
03:34 We think of, of course, a child growing...
03:36 and, if he didn't grow, how sad it would be.
03:39 So we tend to generalize and think growth is always
03:44 a positive thing.
03:45 Well, when we come to cancer, we realize there has to be a
03:48 strong correction to that view.
03:50 Cancer is simply the excessive growth and multiplication
03:55 of cells... when really, they should have limited and stayed
03:59 right where they were and not grown at all.
04:02 Now, what foods tend to promote growth?
04:08 I think that's an interesting question...
04:10 since really, cancer, is growth when it shouldn't be there.
04:14 And, this might not be the scientific way to go about it,
04:18 but I think we can talk about science after we talk
04:22 about just this general reflection.
04:24 There are foods that the Creator made for growth...
04:27 even rapid growth.
04:29 And, one would think that those wouldn't be very
04:33 appropriate at a time of life when we don't want
04:35 anymore growth.
04:37 And so, what foods are the ones for growth?
04:40 Well, I think we can think right away...
04:41 the young, not only of humans but of all the mammal species,
04:47 receive milk from their mothers.
04:50 And so that milk causes a tremendous growth
04:56 A baby triples its weight in the first year.
05:00 Doubles it's birth weight in 6 months
05:02 and triples it in a year... There it is... okay
05:05 That's milk that is doing that.
05:08 Aside from the abundance of water in milk,
05:11 you've got lots of protein.
05:13 And some growth factors that are specific, other than
05:17 just the protein and the fat and the sugar,
05:20 but some specific growth factors that our
05:23 loving Divine Designer put in the milk... so that the
05:27 little infant could grow and could get so that he is
05:30 big enough to stand alone.
05:32 Another food that we might not think of right away
05:36 as being a growth food, but actually it's for growth
05:39 before birth...
05:40 Here, we're talking about food that is in the bird family
05:45 ...it's eggs.
05:48 Eggs have all that substance which the tiny creature
05:54 that's going to hatch...
05:57 All that it needs from a tiny 1 cell state until it is ready
06:02 to hatch out of the egg.
06:03 So, that's a tremendous growth spurt.
06:07 Well those foods, one might, again I say...
06:12 Not because I've proved it right now in this discussion...
06:15 But what one might wonder, those foods that are made
06:18 to promote rapid growth, by the Creator...
06:23 One could have a big question mark... is that appropriate
06:25 when we're at a stage when we don't want to grow
06:27 any further... Yes.
06:28 Well, I certainly agree with you that we do not want
06:33 to promote growth when we're in the cancer age. Um hm
06:36 I was thinking, you know, in that regard, really
06:41 you talked about milk as having other factors and really being
06:45 ...it's a food that is concentrated in a way
06:48 It's a very specialized food. Um hm
06:52 Calorie-dense, or unit of volume that has a lot of calories.
06:57 Especially cow's milk. Yes
06:59 Compared to human milk. Yes.
07:01 Other concentrated foods, might wonder... one could have
07:06 the same kind of question about PROTEIN as a substance
07:11 We do need in adult life, but a small amount,
07:14 since all that the protein REALLY is needed for,
07:18 in adult life, when we've achieved our full height,
07:21 is repair.
07:23 It's not for growth anymore.
07:24 And so, if we're giving a person way more protein than what he
07:29 needs for that repair, then we're giving him a growth food
07:35 that really is at inappropriate quantities.
07:38 And can stimulate the growth of neoplasms or new growths
07:45 whether they be benign new growths,
07:48 or malignant new growths like cancer.
07:50 You know, I was thinking of this and thinking about
07:53 the topic... benign growths which, you know that sounds fine
07:58 But who wants benign growths?
08:00 Whether it's on our skin, as lumps coming out,
08:02 or in the uterus, or in the breasts... Exactly!
08:05 Or in the colon where polyps can even block the way.
08:09 One other concentrated food I'd like to mention is sugar.
08:14 Oh yes...
08:16 Now sugar isn't a growth food, but it's an extremely
08:19 concentrated food and the problem is,
08:23 you don't have the OTHER nutrients...
08:25 when you've just isolated out the sugar, you don't have the
08:28 nutrients even to metabolize and work with the sugar well
08:31 And, since we're talking about cancer,
08:36 this would probably be an appropriate time to mention
08:39 that our BIGGEST protection against cancer is the
08:42 immune system. Um hm... yes, it is
08:44 Constantly monitoring the cells of our body IF the
08:47 immune system is functioning well.
08:49 And one very impressive point about the immune system
08:56 is that with increased sugar intake, it is suppressed.
09:02 A large quantity of sugar and we could even explain this
09:07 quantitatively in terms of so many teaspoons of sugar
09:11 it will reduce the ability of the white blood cells,
09:14 that are the heart of the immune system, to do their job.
09:17 And that job is not just fighting infection but
09:21 detecting cancer and eliminating it.
09:24 Dr. Winn, I'm sure you've had patients to tell you
09:27 or to ask you... when you have said to them what you've
09:32 just said or approximately what you've just said,
09:35 "Doctor, you're NOT going to take away my sugar, are you?"
09:38 Actually, the Creator put the sugar in all kinds of foods. Yes
09:44 You think that's enough for people?
09:45 Oh absolutely!
09:48 It might not be enough to satisfy the palate of those
09:50 who have been accustomed to taking 1/2 or 3/4 of a cup
09:53 of sugar a day.
09:55 You know, people... when one talks about amounts of sugar,
09:58 ...there's one graph that we use where it mentions
10:03 12 and 24 teaspoons of sugar and people are going...
10:07 ...who in the world is going to eat that much sugar?
10:09 One banana split has 25 teaspoons worth of sugar in it.
10:14 Yes, it's amazing that just one dish...
10:18 Sometimes a person will have a little sick-feeling
10:21 in eating a banana split but most of the time,
10:24 people who are accustomed to eating heavy sweets can
10:28 take that banana split down and not have ANY
10:30 sense of nausea with it...
10:32 And yet, I have seen the reverse thing too...
10:35 I've seen people who have come from third world countries
10:37 where they've eaten a lot of just native foods,
10:41 and then I would serve a dish at my table that had
10:45 just the sweet fruits like bananas, maybe some
10:48 dried fruits but nothing that was a concentrated sweetener
10:52 added and have them say, "That's very sweet. "
10:57 And know that it was because their appetite was not overly
11:03 stimulated by too much sugar.
11:05 I'm wondering if we shouldn't mention more...
11:08 You've already talked about lung cancer...
11:10 I want to get you to tell some reasons why
11:12 though... some other things about lung cancer
11:16 I would just like to show this picture of the lung cancer.
11:21 Notice this big growth here...
11:22 You can easily see it, you don't even need to have it
11:25 blown up but here it is... This is the cancer
11:29 Here is the lung and there is the cancer.
11:32 And the American Cancer Assoc. and American Lung Assoc. has
11:36 shown this cancer very graphically here
11:39 And I have seen lungs with this very same type of cancer
11:43 maybe 200 times and it's so discouraging because
11:49 we know that this person who has that... has a high
11:54 likelihood of dying with it, a 95% chance of
11:57 dying with the cancer.
11:59 And so it's SO discouraging to make this diagnosis when
12:03 it's in this stage.
12:04 It's just so fatal...
12:06 Yes. Now smoking is known to be associated...
12:09 What about other things that smoking is...
12:13 You know, that's a very interesting thing...
12:16 Nowadays, it is well known.
12:18 Back 40 years ago, it wasn't well-appreciated,
12:23 that smoking caused lung cancer.
12:25 BUT, one thing that I think is not generally known,
12:31 I saw a paper about lung cancer where they related it to
12:35 coffee-drinking or caffeine intake... Ah ha
12:38 And so the association was not as strong as smoking,
12:43 it didn't multiply the risk by 10, but as I remember,
12:47 it was something like 3...
12:48 so it's a significant factor as well as smoking... I should say
12:51 That's 300% more and that's a significant amount.
12:56 Then other bad habits as well can increase one's
13:00 likelihood of getting cancer of the lung,
13:02 or cancer in any other place.
13:03 So that we can say that as you add bad health habits,
13:07 you increase your risk of getting almost every
13:10 kind of cancer.
13:11 So if you smoke 1 or 2 cigarettes a day,
13:13 you think very good about yourself...
13:15 "I only smoke 2 or 3 cigarettes a day"
13:17 "It's not enough to give me lung cancer"
13:19 But if you also drink coffee...
13:21 If you're also a big, heavy sweet eater...
13:25 If you're also a person who eats a lot of the
13:28 "growth-promoting" foods,
13:30 then pretty soon, you've got a situation where you've
13:33 added one cancer-producing agent after another.
13:36 Then you live in a smoggy area and you've got the stage set.
13:41 That's it. All these things are tipping the balance
13:44 in the wrong direction and you don't know
13:46 when it's enough to tip it.
13:49 What about cancer of the skin?
13:51 Do you have anything special about cancer of the skin?
13:55 Well, cancer of the skin is interesting in that it's
14:01 the most common cancer of all apparently.
14:05 I recently read that... and I've seen it...
14:09 in my own family... cancer of the skin has occurred
14:12 and among acquaintances I have.
14:14 The interesting thing that the public, I think is generally
14:20 aware of and have been bombarded about is that
14:25 sunlight will cause skin cancer and there is no doubt
14:30 about it.
14:31 If a person is exposed excessively to the sun,
14:35 then you're certainly increasing your risk of skin cancer.
14:38 Now, I think at that point, we should say something...
14:43 and it's that they've really shown it clearly to be related
14:47 to sunburns. Ah ha...
14:49 NOT to just being out in the sun, but when you
14:53 go to the point of burning your skin, then you are
14:55 increasing your risk of skin cancer.
14:58 But there's another point here...
15:00 that I think is NOT generally appreciated and it's this...
15:04 that if diet is changed, it changes your risk of skin cancer
15:11 There was an experiment done in which they took rabbits,
15:17 shaved their backs so that the light could get
15:21 right to the skin.
15:23 They put them in an environment, a cage where
15:25 they had ultraviolet light...
15:26 which is the part of sunlight which causes skin cancer.
15:30 And when they did this with rabbits that were getting
15:33 what could be considered the general American diet
15:35 in rabbit form...
15:37 24% of them got skin cancer.
15:41 They repeated the experiment and all they did was add in
15:45 some vitamin E and some vitamin C...
15:49 And instead of 24%, 0% got skin cancer.
15:52 Is that right? That's amazing.
15:54 So the high fat, high sugar, high salt diet
15:58 does something to promote skin cancer IF the person
16:03 also gets ultraviolet light. That's right.
16:06 And then, of course, most cancers, if not all cancers,
16:10 do have a virus involved in the production of the cancer.
16:14 So then we can say that cancers,
16:16 especially like cancer of the skin...
16:18 we can know that it has a number of things.
16:20 It has the virus, has the diet, it has the sunburning with
16:25 the ultraviolet light and probably has also some
16:29 genetic factors like with people who have blue eyes
16:34 or fair skin, or are exposed a lot to the sun.
16:39 Yes... go ahead...
16:40 Now, I'm wondering on some other specific
16:46 cancer because it is of real interest...
16:47 Cancer, in a way, you can say is many diseases... Yes, many!
16:50 It's really not just one disease.
16:52 Regarding women, you've done a lot of work on women's
16:59 diseases and problems.
17:00 Would there be something that we could know about preventing
17:05 or related to say... ovarian cancer?
17:07 Yes, there are some things.
17:09 We know, as an example, that if a woman takes
17:15 fermented dairy products like yogurt... as much as
17:19 3 or 4 times a week, that increases her risk of getting
17:22 cancer of the ovary.
17:23 We also know that women who drink coffee will also
17:28 have an increased risk of getting cancer of the ovary
17:31 And some research is being done that implicates a number
17:35 of other foods in the American cuisine which most of us
17:41 have had from childhood up...
17:43 that can encourage cancer of the ovaries.
17:45 But a well-done plant-based diet is known to be protective
17:52 for cancer of the ovary... which is a very serious cancer...
17:55 Once it has been discovered, it is usually too late
17:58 to operate on it and take the ovary out.
18:01 So with cancer of the ovary, the diet is a big factor
18:06 and other things in lifestyles...
18:08 Smoking is another factor.
18:10 And taking of hormones is another factor in ovarian cancer
18:18 Then another BIG cancer that we have is cancer of the colon.
18:22 And I mentioned that when my mother was diagnosed
18:25 with cancer of the colon, I made some big changes
18:28 in my lifestyle.
18:30 You've seen a lot of people with cancer of the colon...
18:33 What factors do you have about cancer
18:35 of the colon you'd like to mention?
18:37 The feature of colon cancer that has impressed me the most
18:42 is tied in with the name of a missionary that went to Africa
18:48 Burkett... Dr. Burkett Oh Yes... yes
18:52 He noted... There's a fairly involved story but to
18:56 shorten it down, he noted that in going from his
19:00 home in England, down to Africa, certain diseases didn't
19:03 occur at all... among the people that did live primitively.
19:06 Now they were there among those that lived in the cities
19:08 in Africa... one of those diseases was colon cancer.
19:11 And the crucial factor that he showed clearly was involved
19:16 was when there was low fiber in the food...
19:20 then there was high chance, high risk of colon cancer...
19:23 And this, of course, is the way in a modern society
19:26 many people eat...
19:27 All those hamburgers, all the soda pop...
19:30 There's no fiber in those things
19:32 And so there is not much that promotes the movement
19:34 in clearing out of those poisons that are collecting
19:37 in the colon.
19:38 Whereas, when you eat a natural diet, whole foods,
19:42 plant foods... they have lots of fiber and it passes out
19:48 and gets rid of those poisons that promote colon cancer.
19:52 In fact, he had a curious little law that he made from that...
19:55 It was this... just before saying the law,
20:00 When a person eats a high fiber diet, you do have a larger
20:04 amount of stool being produced.
20:06 And his law was this...
20:08 "The amount of stool production in any community
20:12 was inversely related to the size of their hospitals. "
20:15 Is that right?
20:17 Well I could certainly believe that because we know that
20:20 a high fiber diet also helps with a high blood cholesterol
20:25 and that would help us with heart health.
20:27 And, you know, concerning cancer...
20:29 there are certain organs of the body that tend to not
20:35 get cancer... like the spleen
20:37 You almost never see the spleen having a cancer,
20:42 except in certain very specific hematologic cancers.
20:49 And the heart... it just almost never...
20:53 except in a congenital disorder called "tuberous sclerosis"
20:57 I have very RARELY ever seen a cancer of the heart itself.
21:03 And in some countries, they just don't have
21:05 cancer of the colon.
21:06 To us, in this country, that's remarkable because we
21:09 expect that a large percentage of our population will
21:13 come down with cancer of the colon.
21:15 So we need to look at the life style of these countries
21:18 where they simply don't have it,
21:20 and study that and implement some of the things that they do.
21:28 There are a number of other cancers that we have here
21:30 and I was just wondering about cancer of the pancreas.
21:35 You know, I'm going to kick that one back...
21:37 All right... I wanted to say one little point about cancer
21:40 that to me is very interesting.
21:42 We're back to skin cancer... Ah ha
21:44 If you compare people living in the tropics and those
21:52 that live in northern latitudes where they get much less
21:54 sunlight, the people in the tropics do get more skin cancer
21:58 The ones in the northern latitudes get these terrible
22:02 cancers like pancreatic cancer and other internal cancers
22:07 And the total mortality from cancer is higher in the
22:11 northern latitudes, the people getting less sunlight.
22:14 And so, if you just had to take your pick,
22:17 you would want more sunlight, not less...
22:19 It actually stimulates the immune system.
22:21 And one, I think, very interesting point here is
22:25 in cancer, I think everyone is aware that the crucial
22:28 thing to do is to diagnose early... Ah ha
22:30 That's why pancreatic cancer is so terrible...
22:33 and ovarian cancer... Absolutely
22:35 I remember patients coming with those diseases...
22:38 It's just sad because usually it's too advanced.
22:41 Too deep in, we don't recognize until it's too late
22:46 and they are not something that is like the colon
22:49 where we would have some dysfunction that would help
22:51 us to know... With the pancreas and with
22:54 the ovaries, we don't recognize any dysfunction
22:57 and so they get far advanced cancers way beyond our help.
23:02 So if sunlight can help stimulate the immune system,
23:06 and, therefore, help avoid some of these cancers,
23:13 Now, if you're going to get a cancer...
23:14 which would be the easiest diagnosed?
23:16 Skin cancer... Well, when it's on the skin!
23:18 It's right there at the first!
23:19 Doctor, what's that?
23:22 Which, I guess, raises the point...
23:23 If you do have a skin growth, anything new,
23:26 go right away and check it with a skin specialist.
23:29 Yes and anything in your body that you do not understand,
23:33 that should be investigated... it's part of our responsibility
23:38 ...if we don't understand what's going on,
23:40 we try to get someone who can help us to understand
23:43 what's going on.
23:44 Now with cancer of the pancreas, I would like to say that
23:48 we do have certain things that are known to be associated
23:53 with cancer of the pancreas such as drinking alcohol.
23:59 We know that there are a number of problems with
24:02 drinking alcohol and these problems center in metabolism.
24:08 The metabolism carried on in the liver and the metabolism
24:12 carried on the pancreas.
24:13 Alcohol is a poison that damages every cell in the body.
24:18 It damages the brain.
24:19 It damages the lungs.
24:22 The damages the gastrointestinal tract, as well as the liver
24:26 and the pancreas.
24:27 Probably most severely hit with alcohol is the pancreas.
24:33 Now you might say... "Well, I don't drink, so
24:35 I won't get cancer of the pancreas. "
24:37 Well, unfortunately, there is some research being
24:40 done now... A researcher, I believe he lives in Kentucky
24:44 ...is doing some research in which he has found that the
24:49 average American, with the kind of lifestyle that we have,
24:52 with eating between meals and eating too many varieties
24:55 at a meal... too many dishes served at a meal
24:59 And, we eat too much, that this kind of lifestyle with
25:06 not a lot of exercise either, will promote the production
25:10 of about 1 quart of beer every day.
25:14 Well that's a good bit of alcohol that the individual
25:17 would produce himself... just from those things that
25:21 he, himself, will be engaged in just in his ordinary lifestyle.
25:28 Then, in addition to that, having diabetes will encourage
25:32 having cancer of the pancreas.
25:34 Now another cancer that I'd like to tell you about is
25:38 that of cancer of the stomach.
25:40 The stomach is a very ABUSED organ.
25:43 This abused organ is likely to get various kinds of problems...
25:49 Gastritis is one.
25:51 Peptic ulcers is another.
25:54 And then cancer of the stomach is another very
25:57 serious cancer of people...
26:00 And it also may not give early warning signs...
26:04 So that when the cancer of the stomach is discovered,
26:07 it may be fairly far advanced.
26:09 We know that in countries of the world where they
26:12 eat a lot of spicy foods and fermented foods,
26:19 vinegary foods, and other foods that are
26:22 irritating to the stomach, that in these countries,
26:25 they are more likely to get cancer of the stomach.
26:29 Those countries of the world where they are the highest
26:32 in the use of these very irritating spices like...
26:36 cayenne pepper... they eat it every day in large quantities
26:39 and ginger, cinnamon and cloves and the like...
26:42 And they eat it in LARGE quantities.
26:45 In these countries, they are more likely to get cancer of the
26:50 back of the throat, and the esophagus and the stomach.
26:53 Now, as we concentrate on these cancers,
26:58 we can see that lifestyle is very heavily involved.
27:02 We have mentioned a number of these things in just
27:04 this one short program.
27:06 And we have, by no means, covered the entire gamut.
27:10 Probably the best place that a person could read about
27:13 lifestyle and the kind of lifestyle that would be the
27:17 most advantageous for good health and to avoid
27:20 such diseases as cancer, would be a book called
27:24 "Ministry of Healing" which covers the entire gamut
27:28 of lifestyle problems and can be a most beneficial adjunct
27:35 to the information that you, yourself have, that can
27:39 help you to develop in yourself that kind of lifestyle
27:43 to give you RESISTANCE against serious diseases
27:47 that can threaten your life.
27:49 Our Heavenly Father desires above ALL THINGS
27:52 that we may prosper and be in health.
27:55 May God bless you.