Participants: Don Miller, Agatha Thrash
Series Code: HYTH
Program Code: HYTH000167
00:01 Hello, I'm Agatha Thrash, a staff physician from
00:05 Uchee Pines Institute.
00:07 We have a topic for you today that's a very common one.
00:10 Probably the commonest thing that doctors hear about in
00:14 their offices is allergies.
00:16 Allergies and various autoimmune problems.
00:21 And so we'd like to talk with you about that,
00:23 and we hope you will join us.
00:43 Welcome to "Help Yourself to Health"
00:46 with Dr. Agatha Thrash of Uchee Pines Institute.
00:49 And now, here's your host Dr. Thrash.
00:54 We have such an enormous number of chemicals, pollens and fumes
01:01 and foods and dyes and a lot of things... fabrics
01:07 that we can react to.
01:08 And so, the human body often does that very thing.
01:12 What it does, is to look at something and see
01:16 if it recognizes it as part of what it has had,
01:19 and if it does, then it is happy with it,
01:23 and if not, then it may react to what you have just contacted.
01:28 Now this kind of thing... reacting to something in your
01:32 environment, is quite common.
01:35 In fact, many people today are what they call "allergic people"
01:40 They react with such things as hay fever with skin rashes, with
01:45 gastrointestinal problems, with aches and pains, with fatigue,
01:50 with depression, and a lot of other things that can be
01:54 said to be a problem with an allergy.
01:58 Some people can't sleep because of allergies.
02:01 Some people have flu-like symptoms because of allergies.
02:05 What can we do about these allergies?
02:08 Well we have a number of things we can do.
02:10 One of the allergies that we don't often think of as being
02:15 an allergic phenomenon is that of arthritis,
02:19 and it isn't so in all instances,
02:22 but certain cases of arthritis do seem to have a basis in
02:28 food sensitivity, especially the rheumatic types, or the
02:33 rheumatoid types of arthritis.
02:37 We have often found that if we eliminate the nightshades,
02:41 these individuals will have much better opportunity to
02:47 be pain free.
02:48 They may also recognize that their joints, which have been
02:52 swollen, and tender, will be less swollen and less tender
02:57 if they remove certain things like the nightshades.
03:00 Nightshades are tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant and peppers.
03:04 These foods contain a number of alkaloids which can be
03:12 irritating to some people.
03:13 I like to explain it in this way...
03:16 ...of course it isn't exactly this way but it's like
03:19 walking through these little sandspurs that you might find in
03:23 Florida, near the beaches, which get on your clothing or stick
03:29 in your foot.
03:31 These sandspurs are little packages with thorns
03:37 sticking out all around.
03:38 And when you walk by, they are very ready to stick onto
03:42 you and since they have little barbs on them,
03:45 they don't peel off very readily.
03:47 And so, with a sandspur you can carry them sometimes,
03:50 ...if you don't notice them, you can carry them in a seam
03:54 of your clothing for some months before you recognize
03:58 that it's actually there.
04:00 With these alkaloids that are present in certain foods like
04:04 the nightshades, I like to think of them as being like
04:07 sandspurs... they attach themselves or fix themselves
04:12 as the allergists say, in the joints on some of the tissues
04:16 and they sort of stay there to irritate and to poke into
04:21 the person and cause them to have pain and inflammation.
04:25 Staying off the nightshades for a period of time...
04:29 say some months, or even a year, can often do wonders
04:34 to make the person feel better.
04:37 Now nightshades aren't the only foods that can cause a
04:40 person to have painful joints.
04:42 Soy products are also quite common as allergy-producers or
04:49 And some people have a sensitivity to wheat or to
04:53 all the gluten grains like rye and barley and wheat and
05:02 other grains that contain this very large protein that we call
05:10 Now gluten and the nightshades and soy are just members of
05:16 classes of foods that do not have any particular
05:23 claim on allergy production but they are unique in that
05:31 they probably cause more allergies than most other foods.
05:35 Now there is a type of arthritis that is not allergic which we
05:39 call gout.
05:42 Gout is caused by the build up of uric acid in the tissues
05:48 and in the blood which comes from purine metabolism.
05:54 You may not heard of purines as a part of foods,
05:58 but purines are often associated with proteins...
06:03 So foods that are very high in proteins, especially animal
06:06 products, tend to be high in purines and tend to have
06:12 a metabolic end product called "uric acid. "
06:17 As the uric acid builds up in the blood, and in the tissues,
06:21 sometimes the uric acid will crystallize out...
06:25 And we are going to show you how to make a charcoal compress
06:29 and actually put it on somebody that we are going to tell you
06:32 has gout.
06:34 Now with gout, the foods that are the highest in the purines
06:42 are liver, kidneys, brain, heart, sweetbreads, muscles,
06:47 anchovies, sardines, meat extract, consommé, gravies,
06:52 fish roe and herring.
06:53 Now many of us don't eat any of those anyway,
06:57 but then those that have moderate levels are
07:00 some other sea foods,
07:01 and ALL meat and ALL foul.
07:03 Yeast and lentils, whole grain cereals, beans, peas, and
07:09 asparagus, cauliflower, mushrooms, spinach and oatmeal
07:12 ...those have moderate quantities.
07:14 So if you tend to have gout,
07:17 you want to leave off all these foods as much as you can.
07:20 Then those that have negligible levels are vegetables and fruit,
07:26 many cereals, and many cereal products.
07:30 So, as you tend to leave off these foods,
07:34 that makes your gout tend to get better.
07:37 But let's say you're in an acute flare-up,
07:40 you have big toe which is often the part of the anatomy most
07:45 severely affected.
07:46 Your big toe is swollen and painful,
07:49 and you want to do something to bring the pain down.
07:53 So I've asked Melissa Thrash if she will show you how to make
07:58 charcoal compress.
07:59 Charcoal compresses are not difficult to make and
08:02 Melissa has been making them for quite a while.
08:05 So Melissa, would you show us how to make a compress
08:10 and then show us on your friend, Shannon Jenkins
08:14 just how you apply it... Okay.
08:16 Often people will add flaxseed to their charcoal compress
08:20 because it helps it to gel better but it's not
08:23 absolutely necessary.
08:24 You can use either the whole flaxseed, or you can use the
08:27 flaxseed ground.
08:28 And, the ratio for flaxseed is 1 part of the flaxseed
08:33 to 4 parts of the charcoal.
08:35 So I'm going to demonstrate here by just spooning out some
08:42 1, 2, 3, and 4
08:50 And I can see that that's a very light powder.
08:54 It's really, really messy.
08:56 And you can add the flaxseed whole or ground
09:00 into the charcoal and mix it up...
09:04 And it's as my grandmother said, it's really, really messy
09:07 and it tends to get everywhere.
09:09 And so, I already mixed some up so we wouldn't make
09:13 a real big mess.
09:14 But you just mix it up in with enough water to make it
09:18 into a thin paste and not really runny but just a nice paste. Yes
09:24 And you're going to apply that to a porous material
09:28 such as a paper towel, or a thin cloth, or a napkin,
09:32 or a handkerchief, or whatever you happen to have that's
09:35 porous enough that it will go through...
09:37 and just spread it over it.
09:47 Sort of like putting peanut butter on a piece of bread,
09:50 isn't it? Sort of..
09:56 Sometimes when the charcoal is made up, it is very thick
10:01 so you want it not to be so thick that you can't spread it
10:08 There should only be one layer of material between the
10:12 charcoal and between the skin that you want to put it on
10:15 because it's not to be a barrier,
10:16 it's just to contain the charcoal.
10:19 Okay Shannon, I'm going to put this on your elbow.
10:26 And, we're going to wrap the plastic around it.
10:30 This plastic is not part of the treatment,
10:32 it's simply to contain the charcoal...
10:35 as Melissa said, charcoal can be quite messy and it can get
10:39 over a lot of things.
10:41 And it is also to keep the charcoal moist...
10:46 it will help with that quite a lot and that's very helpful.
10:50 And I suspect you're going to want an Ace bandage...
10:53 ...there you go.
11:00 The Ace bandage is put on lightly.
11:02 It's purpose is simply to hold the bandage in place...
11:06 the compress in place... so it's just simply wrapped
11:10 And the way to wrap an Ace bandage is overlapping it
11:13 about one-third and it functions in this instance merely to hold
11:20 the compress in place.
11:23 So once she's got it there, then she can attach it with the
11:27 little fastener that came with the Ace bandage.
11:32 There we go...
11:33 And how long does she leave that on?
11:35 She... preferably could leave it on all night...
11:38 but you don't have to leave it on all night.
11:41 Yeah, if it's in the daytime, she could leave it on just
11:43 a few hours... Um hm.
11:45 All right, thank you girls.
11:46 I appreciate that and am so happy.
11:48 I'll let you check the charcoal because it can be spread from
11:55 here to outside... and this as well... so that we aren't
12:01 liable to get any of that on us.
12:03 It's really quite a liability.
12:06 Now, we have a variety of things about immunity
12:12 that we need to understand and to understand this,
12:15 we need to know some things about white blood cells and how
12:19 the body produces certain of its important products.
12:23 So I've asked Dr. Winn Horsley if he will assist me in helping
12:28 you to understand about this matter of immunity.
12:32 Dr. Winn Horsley, who is a staff physician at Uchee Pines and
12:36 he will now tell you some things about the immune system.
12:39 Thank you, Dr. Agatha.
12:41 You've introduced it, that the real part of the immune system
12:46 is the white blood cell...
12:47 And in this issue of whether it's allergies or these
12:53 autoimmune diseases you were talking about,
12:55 we're talking about the immune system.
12:57 And perhaps first it would be worthwhile to look at what
13:00 does it do that is good... since it sounds like
13:02 it's being bad.
13:03 Yes... and these things.
13:05 It would be worthwhile to think about that white blood cell
13:08 and, I think, maybe visualize it... All right...
13:10 Could I put it on the board?
13:11 Well yes, I wish you would... that will help.
13:17 The white blood cell, I guess we'll outline it black...
13:20 but the inside will be white... Very good.
13:25 As all the cells in the body, you have a membrane around it.
13:30 The white blood cells are very different from the majority
13:34 of blood cells which are red.
13:35 The red blood cells are like robots,
13:37 they don't have a nucleus...
13:38 they're just cargo ships for oxygen.
13:41 But the WHITE blood cells have a nucleus with all the nuclear
13:45 material that there is in the body... directing things.
13:51 And I'm going to take one of of the lowest class
13:54 of white blood cells... what is called a "neutrophil,"
13:58 and what it has is a lot of little granules in it.
14:02 These granules are filled with a hypochlorite-type of solution
14:10 which really is essentially bleach.
14:13 Yes, that's very powerful.
14:14 It is! You know, I heard a talk once by an emergency room
14:19 physician who emphasized that a bleach injury...
14:23 if a person gets undiluted bleach on her hands,
14:26 it's much harder to handle than a strong acid injury.
14:29 Is that right? Uh huh...
14:31 So, here we have the white blood cell...
14:37 another name for this neutrophil is a "poly,"
14:39 a "polymorphonuclear" cell.
14:41 And off here, we're going to say we have a germ...
14:46 a bacterium, which is an enemy that we want to get rid of,
14:50 and it is very good at doing this.
14:53 The very first thing that happens is that this white blood
14:58 cell has the remarkable capacity of being able to recognize
15:02 that this is a foreign object...
15:04 Now you may think, well that should be easy.
15:06 But let's keep in mind... there are little cells in our own body
15:11 I drew this little purposely because most bacteria are
15:14 smaller than the white blood cells.
15:15 But we have tiny platelets that are there... in the blood.
15:20 And there are so many structures in the body,
15:23 How does it recognize which is supposed to be there
15:27 and which is not?
15:28 Well it's an amazing endowment that, in fact,
15:34 we could say that it is trained in a college that does this.
15:39 We should really compare the white blood cell system
15:42 to an army because it functions very much like that.
15:45 In fact, there are different levels of the soldiers and
15:51 officers in it up until generals.
15:54 And they get training in what you could call the military
15:59 college of the body.
16:01 It's a gland that's located behind the breastbone,
16:04 so we can't feel it or be aware of it.
16:07 And, it's actually rather small in adult life but,
16:11 in early childhood, in infancy, it's quite a large gland.
16:15 And what it's doing is, it's training these white blood cells
16:19 to recognize everything that is you...
16:23 when they're in you.
16:24 Everything that's in me when it's in me.
16:26 It's to recognize what is oneself.
16:30 And, when they have graduated from the college,
16:34 they're well-trained.
16:35 So, as soon as it sees any object, it quickly checks
16:39 ...sort of like computers do on a credit card.
16:43 Is this an approved or an unapproved object person?
16:48 And so if this bacterium, as it shouldn't, it would not pass
16:54 the test, then it's automatic fight...
16:57 And it's trained like a hit squad.
17:00 It goes after hijackers of airplanes.
17:02 It then shows another of its amazing capabilities...
17:05 It's able to move.
17:06 It's able to swim right through fluid, or actually even
17:10 go through soft tissues.
17:12 It will come right over to the bacterium and then go ahead
17:16 with it's destruction.
17:17 Now I'm not going to re-draw the whole white blood cell.
17:20 I'll just draw the bacteria right next to it here.
17:25 The next step is putting out some arms...
17:30 as though it were going to give a loving hug.
17:35 But the following step is not a loving hug...
17:39 it is consumption.
17:42 It's now inside but the story isn't over yet.
17:45 It's now encapsulated inside the white blood cells' membranes
17:51 but now all these little granules come into action.
17:55 They come with their bleach with its powerful destructive
18:03 action and they're dumped into that little space
18:06 and that bacterium is history... Um hm.
18:10 Well, that's obviously an important function.
18:14 Yes, and it's important also that those little granules
18:19 don't ever dump their bleach until they get the germ
18:24 in that capsule and they put the bleach inside the capsule.
18:28 That's very much so.
18:31 It may have taken another billion years to evolve
18:34 that little feature... don't you think?
18:37 You know it really is ludicrous to think that these things
18:41 could have just happened... Yes.
18:44 Now this is, of course, just one aspect
18:48 of immune function.
18:49 There are other cells that have, not this action,
18:54 but rather a directing action, or a memory action of
18:57 remembering previous things.
18:59 And there is a whole system of molecules called "antibodies"
19:03 that are involved in struggles like this for getting rid of
19:07 foreign objects.
19:08 Now here, in our talk today,
19:13 we're getting into autoimmune disease.
19:18 And the underlying problem here apparently is
19:23 that somehow the white blood cells have either forgotten
19:27 or gotten mixed up on what was their original training
19:31 at the military college.
19:33 And so they, somehow, on encountering some cells
19:38 or tissue of the body, consider that this is foreign.
19:43 is an enemy.
19:45 It's an enemy... ah ha.
19:46 And so they start directing their terrible weapons
19:50 right at one's own body.
19:52 Those of you that remember, not the present struggle
19:58 in the Middle East, but one about 10 years ago...
20:00 11 years ago, the Gulf War,
20:03 might remember that the main causalities, the main source
20:07 of casualties among the allies there was what was called
20:10 "friendly fire. "
20:11 And, friendly fire kills just as dead as enemy fire.
20:15 That's exactly the kind of thing that's going on.
20:19 This is really friendly fire.
20:20 That's right.
20:21 What kinds of diseases do we have that are involved
20:25 in this kind of friendly fire?
20:27 Well, perhaps one of the most commonly known one
20:32 would be rheumatoid arthritis.
20:35 There is actually quite a long list.
20:38 We could name a couple of them...
20:39 Lupus, I think many people have heard of.
20:41 Other ones are less well known.
20:43 There is an inflammation of the thyroid... Hashimoto Thyroiditis
20:47 ...and the list goes on.
20:49 There's even one type of diabetes where they consider
20:52 that it's because of an autoimmune problem
20:57 that these white blood cells will attack one's own
21:01 pancreatic cells... the cells that produce insulin.
21:04 And, of course, the person that ends up with
21:05 diabetes won't have insulin being produced.
21:08 Well thank you very much.
21:10 This has been very helpful, very enlightening...
21:12 and FASCINATING... I just can't imagine how fascinating
21:17 these kinds of things are... Really.
21:21 Now, in addition to the autoimmune things that we might
21:24 think of as being against self,
21:29 we have just some ordinary allergies and I've asked
21:32 Don Miller if he will explain to you some of the things
21:37 having to do with just ordinary allergies.
21:40 And it looks as if you have brought some very interesting
21:44 props here.
21:45 Don Miller, a Lifestyle Counselor from Uchee Pines.
21:48 Thank you, Dr. Thrash.
21:49 Allergies are very common in our society and
21:53 I think every single one of us probably has an allergy.
21:56 We just don't know it because it seems like allergies are
22:00 accumulative in our system and we can handle
22:02 a little bit of allergy.
22:03 And it can do something as simple as cause a running nose,
22:07 all the way up to faulty thinking and, quite frankly,
22:11 sometimes an allergy can cause a death.
22:13 I've known people allergic to aspirin... that a small
22:16 amount of aspirin would cause death because they are
22:18 so deathly allergic to it.
22:20 But, I just want to explain this idea of accumulation.
22:24 Some people are allergic to fumes... hair spray,
22:28 deodorant, perfumes and they just cannot be around them...
22:31 but some people are allergic but there is no reaction in the body
22:35 So, let's say this person is allergic to hair spray...
22:38 but they also happen to be allergic to dogs.
22:42 And many people are allergic to animals and they have no idea
22:44 that they are because
22:45 of the fact that their body
22:46 can handle it.
22:47 You see, it's the immune function that keeps us from
22:50 having an immune reaction.
22:52 So we've got odors in the home,
22:55 and we have a dog in the home,
22:56 and some people are sort of allergic to common household
23:00 products like Styrofoam or other types of things we have
23:03 in the home and still, their bodies are strong enough...
23:06 their immune systems are strong enough not to have a reaction.
23:09 A good example of the fact that as we grow older,
23:11 we seem to become more allergic...
23:13 I have never, in my life, had a case of poison ivy.
23:17 I can go out and pull it with my hands,
23:19 I can rub it on myself,
23:20 if I can eat the leaves... it has no effect.
23:22 I've known people, like me, that one day, down in their
23:26 older years... all of a sudden they start getting poison ivy
23:29 because their immune systems, because of wearing out from age,
23:32 start becoming having the allergic reaction to it.
23:36 So this person is quite lucky.
23:37 They've got all these odors around the home.
23:39 They've got Fido in the home.
23:41 They've got all the Styrofoam and other things in the home.
23:43 No problem.
23:44 Trouble is, they are also allergic to dust.
23:48 And when they are allergic to dust,
23:49 THAT sets off the trigger.
23:51 And so... we just need to avoid dust, right?
23:55 We can't avoid dust.
23:56 Howard Hughes tried for years to avoid dust
23:59 but dust is everywhere.
24:00 We might be able to avoid some simple household products
24:03 but that's sort of hard to do too.
24:05 It's a little bit easier to... sorry Fido...
24:09 to get rid of the dog and the odors are hard too...
24:13 So I would say probably in this case, the dog has got to go.
24:15 And if we get rid of that one step, that sort of built up this
24:19 system in our bodies to cause the allergic reaction,
24:23 then we're not going to have the runny nose,
24:25 the teary eyes, the cough, whatever it might be..
24:28 And I've known people who are almost debilitated by something
24:31 as simple as just a dog in the home.
24:33 So we search the home for...
24:35 what is it that we might be allergic to...
24:37 find out what it is and get rid of that one thing
24:39 and all the rest might go.
24:41 And it has already been mentioned that things like
24:43 milk and eggs, and things are very high in allergenic
24:46 properties... get rid of those things first and work down
24:50 to the point where "I can't get anything out"
24:52 and if you get down to that point,
24:53 usually you are not going to be having an allergic reaction,
24:56 Dr. Thrash.
24:57 Well that sounds very good.
24:58 Thank you so much for presenting that.
25:01 And since hay fever may be one of those big manifestations
25:06 and people with hay fever can tend to get sinusitis in the
25:11 frontal areas, and in the ethmoid areas, and in the
25:15 nasal areas and these people have a lot of pain...
25:18 especially if they get a cold or if they do any kind of
25:23 air travel.
25:24 And so I've asked Melissa if she will show you just how to make
25:28 a sinus pack.
25:31 Okay, we going to demonstrate on Shannon...
25:35 Okay, Shannon gets to take the nice lie down spot.
25:43 Okay, first you are going to get some water as hot as
25:47 the person can stand it.
25:49 And you are going to dip the towel into the water
25:52 and wring the towel out really well.
25:54 You don't want it to drip and burn the patient.
25:56 And then you're going to fold the towel over
25:58 somewhat like this...
26:02 Can they see that... ah yes. Okay.
26:05 Just in a little shape here
26:08 and it's going to go over the face... over the sinuses
26:11 and her nose is going to be able to stick out this hole
26:14 so she can breathe.
26:15 That's nice... makes it so that she has all of her sinuses
26:20 covered and still she is able to breathe... Um hm.
26:23 And you leave it on for 3 minutes
26:25 and then change it out and get another one,
26:27 and put it on for another 3 minutes,
26:29 and then change it out and put on another one
26:31 and do this exchange maybe 3 to 5 times.
26:33 And then when you're done,
26:36 you can take it off and get a dry towel
26:38 just like the one that you used that was wet
26:42 and put it on the face and leave it there
26:48 for a little while to dry the face off...
26:51 And let them maybe go to sleep and when they wake up,
26:54 you hope that they'll be completely well of their
26:57 This is a very effective treatment
27:01 and we have seen this especially for people who have the flu,
27:04 or people who have severe allergies with a bad case of
27:10 We have seen it work just absolutely marvels.
27:12 Sometimes within seconds of putting the part of this
27:18 sinus pack in place, the person is already having a reduction
27:22 in their pain.
27:23 Now pain and drippy nose characterize those who have
27:29 acute sinusitis.
27:31 Chronic sinusitis is almost always associated also
27:36 with a little bit of cough.
27:37 The reason for that is that the secretions run back
27:41 in the back of the throat and run down into the bronchi.
27:45 We can see then that some of the things that the Lord made
27:49 for our benefit and for our enjoyment at times
27:53 come to be our enemies and the body works against them.
27:57 May God richly bless you.