Participants: Don Miller, Agatha Thrash
Series Code: HYTH
Program Code: HYTH000158
00:01 I'm Agatha Thrash, a staff physician at
00:03 Uchee Pines Institute.
00:05 Today, our topic for you is breast disease...
00:08 not only in women but also in men and some in boys.
00:12 So we'd like you to join us.
00:34 Welcome to "Help Yourself to Health"
00:37 with Dr. Agatha Thrash of Uchee Pines Institute.
00:40 And now, here's your host, Dr. Thrash.
00:45 You know, a lot of lifestyle habits have to do with
00:49 the production of breast disease
00:52 Now, we have learned at Uchee Pines Institute
00:55 that a lot of people who have chocolate in their habit
00:59 ...that they are among those who are likely to get
01:03 breast disease of some kind.
01:05 And so, we'd like to talk with you about various
01:08 lifestyle habits, but I'll talk about chocolate first.
01:11 Now the first thing that we can say is that if a woman
01:16 eats a LOT of chocolate, she's very likely to develop
01:19 a condition called fibrocystic breast disease.
01:24 It's a common breast disorder that a lot of women have.
01:28 It's characterized by painful, sometimes swollen lumps
01:33 that may concern her quite a great deal because
01:36 they may be quite hard and not so easily movable...
01:39 especially when they are inflamed.
01:41 A young woman doctor who was about 30,
01:44 was eating chocolate every day of her life...
01:48 until one day, she went to a foreign mission field
01:53 and while she was there for 3 years,
01:55 she could find no chocolate, so she ate no chocolate
01:57 and during that time, she had no breast disease at all.
02:01 Now this was quite remarkable because she had been having
02:04 a biopsy of her breast for approximately 5 or 6 years
02:09 ...once every 18 months.
02:11 So when she came back and realized that when she started
02:14 eating chocolate again, that her breast disease came back,
02:17 she spoke with her surgeon.
02:19 The two of them began to investigate other women
02:22 who had fibrocystic breast disease.
02:24 And sure enough, they found that a number of women
02:29 would cease to have fibrocystic breast disease
02:32 if they gave up the use of chocolate and sometimes coffee,
02:37 tea and colas as well.
02:39 These are beverages that are related.
02:42 Now because fibrocystic breast disease occurs in women,
02:47 and it really is quite common in women...
02:49 you might think... well, women are those who
02:54 get breast disease.
02:55 But it isn't always so...
02:57 There are times when men get breast disease.
03:00 And Dr. Winn Horsley who is my associate at Uchee Pines,
03:04 is going to be talking with you about that.
03:07 So, this is Dr. Winn Horsley.
03:10 He is one of my associates at Uchee Pines...
03:13 and you're going to talk about, is it "genicomastia?"
03:19 or as I've heard you sometimes say it as a Canadian...
03:23 I've sometimes heard you pronounce it...
03:26 what is it... gynecomastia?
03:28 Which do you prefer?
03:30 Well, you know, I've heard plenty of variation
03:32 on so many words in medicine.
03:34 People think that there's only one right pronunciation...
03:36 but reality is different, I think.
03:39 That is true and I think that in the more British-speaking
03:44 countries like Great Britain, they have a
03:48 a completely different way of speaking about
03:51 medical things and they have have a completely
03:53 different terminology.
03:55 So, what do you have to tell us about genicomastia?
03:58 Well, gynecomastia... I would like to just say one little word
04:04 about the term itself.
04:05 I haven't studied this up in the dictionaries but I
04:11 think the roots are well-enough known.
04:15 "Gyneco" is a root that means "woman,"
04:19 as in the word "gynecology"
04:20 Mastia refers to the breast.
04:24 You would think that with that kind of a word,
04:26 you'd be talking only about women but, in fact,
04:28 this is used quite specifically for problems that men can have
04:33 in their breasts.
04:36 One young fellow, an adolescent, when I was in medical school,
04:41 came complaining...
04:44 I think it was his mother who actually came and
04:47 talked to me about him having some pain
04:49 right under his nipples, and little lumps there.
04:54 I looked at it... trying to look like I was full of knowledge,
04:59 but I was as green as could be just starting medical school.
05:02 And, he told me about how this was rather tender and
05:07 painful and he was worried...
05:10 You know, was something developing here that
05:13 would need some drastic treatment.
05:16 I studied up some... on the very issue.
05:22 And fortunately, I was able to counsel patients at that time
05:27 and then in following times that I saw him
05:31 could carry on further in explaining that, in fact,
05:33 this often does happen to adolescent boys.
05:38 Now gynecomastia is used, I would say, even more
05:46 to describe abnormal growth of what is actually breast tissue
05:52 in older men.
05:54 So, let's make it clear, we're not talking about someone
05:57 who's fat... especially fatty around the breasts.
06:02 Or, a man that's got well-developed pectoral muscles
06:05 that will bulge at times.
06:06 And if you put the two together,
06:08 sometimes it does look like there's
06:09 quite a breast there in a man.
06:11 But we're talking instead about actual growth of tissue
06:16 and this would be breast kind of tissue.
06:18 The human males do have some breast tissue...
06:24 In fact, it was a surprise to me not long ago,
06:28 to learn that the incidence of breast cancer
06:31 in men is 1 percent.
06:34 And, in fact, it's more dangerous when they get it,
06:36 than women because there's not a large amount of tissue
06:40 there and it will very quickly invade the chest wall.
06:43 Well, this issue of gynecomastia ... breasts starting to grow
06:50 can come on...
06:53 One of the instances that has stuck in my mind as being
06:57 the most important is in alcoholics.
07:01 Most people realize that with alcoholism,
07:05 you're damaging your liver.
07:07 The liver is the big chemical factory of the body,
07:09 and it handles processing of hormones.
07:13 Both men and women produce some of both
07:17 of the sexes' hormones.
07:18 In other words, men do have things like estrogen
07:23 in their body and, if they're not going to accumulate,
07:25 they have to be gotten rid of by the liver.
07:27 Well, a poisoned liver, a damaged liver
07:29 such as occurs in alcoholism doesn't do this... well.
07:33 And, therefore, there can be this abnormal stimulation
07:38 of whatever breast tissue is there... to start growing.
07:43 A number of other things can lead to gynecomastia and the
07:48 principal point here is drugs.
07:51 There is a fair list of drugs that will do this...
07:55 Obviously hormone type of drugs would do it.
08:00 But, aside from hormones there are others such as...
08:05 digitalis... a drug that used for the heart,
08:11 Reserpine that has been used for high blood pressure, and
08:16 quite a long list of possible drug causes of gynecomastia.
08:24 Now aside from those that are considered medical type of drugs
08:31 We have an example in the illicit drugs...
08:36 marijuana use...
08:37 It has been specifically linked with gynecomastia in males.
08:43 Well that's very interesting and I appreciate that very much.
08:47 You know, we have a lot of problem nowadays with women
08:52 not knowing how to do breastfeeding.
08:55 It has been shown that if a woman breastfeeds,
08:57 she's less likely to have certain types of diseases
09:00 especially cancer of the breast.
09:02 And so, I'd like to show you how a woman should know
09:06 how to do this kind of little office for her infant...
09:13 And here, I have a very nice chart which shows the positions
09:17 that the mother can use in helping her baby to nurse
09:22 and that will be comfortable for her.
09:24 Here is one which is probably most common when the baby
09:28 simply sort of sits in her lap
09:29 and she feeds the baby with the right breast.
09:33 The left breast can be fed with the infant actually behind the
09:39 mother... such as you see here.
09:41 You can see that the infant is sort of tucked under
09:45 the mother's left arm and she is feeding the baby
09:48 from the left breast.
09:49 Then there is also the partial tucked under the left arm
09:54 of the baby with the nipple of the right breast...
09:59 the one that the baby is nursing from.
10:01 But the one that many women like a lot is the one that
10:06 you see here... where the mother is lying down.
10:09 This is often what occurs in the nighttime when the baby
10:13 must be fed during the night,
10:15 then she can continue to lie down and simply take the baby
10:19 cradled in her arm in this way.
10:23 Now, how does she get the baby to take hold...
10:26 That is called "latching on"...
10:28 And here we see that the mother somewhat pinches up her breast
10:31 She supports it from below and sort of squeezes
10:34 a little bit from above and then makes it so that the nipple
10:38 stands out.
10:39 If she just strokes the baby's cheek a little bit,
10:42 the baby will usually open the mouth and turn toward the breast
10:46 And then as the baby moves toward the breast...
10:50 or as she moves the baby toward the breast,
10:51 then she puts the nipple in the baby's mouth.
10:55 Now, the baby gets a good hold on the nipple
10:59 and does not want to turn loose...
11:01 And so consequently, if she wants to feed
11:04 from the other breast, she must disengage the baby
11:09 who is latched on to her with a good bit of suction,
11:13 by simply inserting her finger in the corner of the mouth
11:16 of the baby and that will allow air to go in and
11:22 break the very tight seal that the baby has made
11:25 with the breast.
11:26 And so by doing this, she can perform an important office
11:32 for her baby.
11:34 I don't make a lot of house calls anymore since it became
11:37 so dangerous for women to be out at night alone or even
11:41 out in the daytime alone.
11:43 But generally have people to come to me.
11:46 But there is one reason why I will make a house call...
11:50 And that is if a young mother is threatening to
11:52 stop breastfeeding her baby.
11:54 I generally go, study the way that she does her breastfeeding
11:59 ...how she sits, how she holds the baby,
12:01 the timing of it and all of this kind of thing
12:04 so that I can help her to know that she does not,
12:08 for the most part, need to stop feeding her baby.
12:11 Now, we have here some things about food...
12:15 And... ohh, this looks SO good!
12:19 And I think it's made out of soy...
12:21 It looks very much like a dish that would be good
12:25 for the breast because soy is one of those foods.
12:28 This is Lidia Seda who is my colleague at Uchee Pines.
12:33 She's a Lifestyle counselor... Lidia
12:35 Yes, Dr. Agatha, tofu is quite good for the breast
12:38 and for breast cancer.
12:40 Why? Well, one thing that it has is that it helps
12:44 to lower LDL and LDL is a fat.
12:48 It's not a fat that's beneficial for the body...
12:50 Number 1, it can contribute to atherosclerosis
12:54 and there have been studies in France that show that
12:57 women who eat high amounts of fat,
13:01 will have greater tendencies of getting breast cancer.
13:05 So this is why tofu is an excellent meal to help reduce
13:09 the chances or the likelihood of acquiring
13:13 an illness like breast cancer.
13:15 ALSO, it is high in protein.
13:19 It has about 7.8% protein and is nearly nutritionally complete
13:25 Also, it has iron... about 4.7 mg of iron.
13:29 Now the recommended daily allowance is about
13:33 15 mg for women and 12 for men.
13:37 So if you were to eat about 8 ounces of tofu,
13:40 you will be getting about a fourth of your daily
13:43 recommended requirements.
13:46 Yeah... that's very good.
13:47 So soy is a very nice addition to the American diet
13:53 and, unfortunately, it isn't used as much as it should...
13:55 And I see you have a package here of tofu...
13:58 Where did you get that?
13:59 Well, this was purchased at a health food store
14:03 but you can actually buy this nowadays in ANY supermarket
14:06 It's become quite popular to purchase tofu.
14:08 And something else very interesting about tofu is...
14:12 that it can help individuals, especially women,
14:15 who are either premenopausal, postmenopausal,
14:19 or who are actually going through menopause at this time.
14:23 What happens is, because of its high estrogen,
14:26 it can help not allow those intense episodes of heat to
14:31 be so bothersome... what we would normally call hot flashes.
14:35 So it's very beneficial for women who are going
14:37 through those experiences.
14:39 Where do you buy this... in the frozen foods department,
14:41 or is it on the shelves?
14:43 Well this particular package would be in the
14:46 frozen foods department.
14:47 And now there are other packages that you can buy
14:50 in a box... that you would get just off the shelf as well...
14:55 And they can be used to make a tofu cheesecake if you like.
14:58 Well, do you have a recipe for this delightful dish
15:02 that you showed us earlier?
15:03 Yes... This dish, right here, is called "chipped tofu"
15:05 and this dish... what you would do is you would have a broth
15:09 of what we call "chicken-style seasoning" and water.
15:13 As a matter of fact, you would need:
15:14 2 cups of water and 1 TB of chicken style seasoning
15:19 Along with the following ingredients:
15:40 And this will make a gravy.
15:41 You have then your cubed tofu
15:44 and then you put your gravy with your tofu together...
15:49 You let it boil a little bit... a gentle boil
15:51 And then you have chipped tofu which you can place
15:54 over whole grain brown rice.
15:56 It sounds good and the rice, as I can see there
15:59 looks a little bit different...
16:01 It looks a little fluffy... How'd you get it to do that?
16:03 Well, what I did, Dr. Thrash, is that I placed it in a
16:10 skillet and I dextrinized it for about 30 seconds to 60 seconds.
16:16 And what that does is to help brown it.
16:20 By dextrinize, you mean you heat it,
16:22 and it browns a little bit... Exactly... that's very good.
16:25 You heat it, it browns a bit and this actually cuts
16:29 the cooking time and makes the rice taste
16:31 a little bit nuttier. Ah ha...
16:33 And I placed it in a slow cooker, actually a crock pot
16:37 and after 2 hours, I have nice fluffy rice, not gummy rice
16:41 but fluffy rice.
16:43 I like sticky rice too but most Americans like nice fluffy rice.
16:49 And the wonderful thing about whole grain rice, brown rice...
16:52 is that it has ALL the nutrients that you need,
16:56 especially if someone is trying to combat a cancer
16:59 It has the antioxidants and phytochemicals
17:02 that the individual needs to help guard against cancer
17:04 And it's true that some white rice has the nutrients placed
17:09 back in but usually not ALL the nutrients...
17:11 And we need all the nutrients we can get to be able to
17:15 fight these types of illnesses like breast cancer.
17:18 So that's why I recommend the brown rice
17:21 instead of the white rice.
17:22 Very good, and in places of the world where they use
17:25 a lot of rice, of course, they do have healthier breasts
17:29 and they are much more likely to be strong and
17:33 resistant against a variety of diseases.
17:38 And we have also a number of other
17:41 lifestyle problems that can make us more
17:45 susceptible to disease.
17:46 Another problem that women have is that they often
17:50 wear a lot of padding across the chest and this padding
17:53 or even padded bras or very thick vests,
17:57 that they may wear across the chest... all of these
18:00 can cause a problem for a woman who has a susceptibility
18:05 to problems with the breast... like fibrocystic breast disease
18:09 or cancer of the breast.
18:11 So, one thing that I always teach women to do is
18:16 to be careful about excessive padding on the chest.
18:21 Uplift bras which change the configuration of the breast
18:25 may also be a problem and a source of breast disease for
18:30 women, and of course, a lot of discomfort.
18:32 So the newer bras that do not count on a lot of padding
18:36 and a lot of uplift... these are more helpful
18:39 than the kinds of bras that women have been wearing
18:43 in recent years.
18:45 Now, not only do we have these kinds of lifestyle problems,
18:51 but a lot of other kinds of things are
18:53 involved in the breast.
18:54 And I have here, Don Miller, is one of my counselors at
18:59 Uchee Pines... He's a Lifestyle counselor
19:01 and a longtime colleague...
19:02 And he's going to talk with you now about some other
19:04 lifestyle issues.
19:06 There are some real important things we can do...
19:09 and I want to start with children.
19:10 Even a young girl who takes soybean products
19:14 and Lidia just got done talking about tofu
19:16 which is a popular tofu product,
19:19 but a young girl who takes soy products,
19:22 as a young girl, reduces her risk of breast disease
19:26 by 50% as she gets older.
19:28 And that woman who continues to take soy products
19:32 throughout her life reduces her chances even more.
19:34 And the instance of soy products on the market
19:38 are just unbelievable.
19:41 I use a soymilk all the time.
19:43 And that's my favorite type of milk.
19:45 As a matter of fact, we recommend for women with
19:47 breast disease and breast cancer not to use cow's milk
19:50 because that increases the growth of breast cancers
19:55 But we have soy products...
19:56 As a matter of fact, this one has that little
19:58 international symbol of breast disease,
20:02 or sympathy for people with breast disease...
20:04 The little pink ribbon... and this comes on these containers.
20:07 And they're telling you, "This is good. "
20:10 Another nice thing about soy products,
20:12 and I like this... is normally if it's a
20:14 soy product, you don't have this long list of ingredients
20:19 This is the way I do my shopping...
20:21 Whenever I go shopping, if I want to find if a product
20:24 that I want to eat is good, I take off my glasses
20:28 and I look at the ingredients.
20:30 And if I can't read the ingredients, which are
20:32 usually in very, very small print,
20:34 I figure there are things in there I don't think I
20:36 want to put in my body.
20:37 As a matter of fact, sometimes I have to take a magnifying
20:41 glass just to discover what other people are eating
20:43 and say, "I don't think we want those things in our bodies"
20:45 As a matter of fact, I'm reading in this one...
20:47 something that's not good for women who have breast
20:50 disease... and that would be a hydrogenated fat.
20:52 And so, if you see hydrogenated fats, or partially hydrogenated
20:56 fats... don't use those things.
20:58 They're bad for women with breast cancer.
21:01 And so, find things that you can read without your glasses
21:04 and if you got great eyesight, still... only 4 or 5 ingredients
21:08 But there are many, many soy products out there.
21:11 There are the soymilks...
21:12 There is the tofu that Lidia talked about...
21:14 There are soy cheeses.
21:16 There are soy cream cheeses.
21:18 There are soy sour cheeses... yeah, right.
21:20 There are soybeans.
21:22 There are baked soybeans and Henry Ford once
21:24 made a soy car.
21:26 And so, there are lots of things you can do with soybeans
21:28 and I suggest that we eat those things
21:30 because they'll make our bodies feel a whole lot better.
21:32 But there are other things besides soy products
21:35 that we can eat that will make our bodies safer
21:37 and NOT just the women who might get or do have
21:40 breast cancer, but ALL of US should be eating these things
21:43 As a matter of fact, our mothers have been telling us
21:45 how to prevent all these cancers since we were children.
21:47 She'd lean over and she'd say, "Eat your vegetables"
21:50 And so, we should eat our vegetables.
21:52 The Brassica family... The cruciferous family...
21:55 The mustard family...
21:56 All of these foods... Now what are in these families?
21:58 Well, you've got your bok choy, your cauliflower,
22:01 your brussel sprouts... all these different foods
22:07 You got your mustard greens, your collard greens,
22:10 your kohlrabi...
22:11 A lot of different foods in these families
22:14 Just eat your green leafy vegetables... that's a nice
22:16 way to put it... eat your green leafy vegetables,
22:19 it will help with the breast cancer.
22:21 Other things that you can do...
22:22 I've already talked about staying away from
22:24 the hydrogenated fats...
22:27 Flaxseed is a nice anti-inflammatory
22:30 I would suggest you get some flax SEEDS...
22:32 Don't get ground flaxseed because it oxidizes
22:35 very, very fast... it goes bad and it will become rancid
22:38 in just a couple of days.
22:40 Get some flaxseed and every morning,
22:42 grind you up a tablespoonful and put it over your food.
22:45 Very, very good for women who have breast cancer
22:48 It's as a preventive of breast cancer,
22:50 and a good food for anybody with any inflammatory
22:53 response anywhere in their body.
22:56 There are other things that you can do for your breast cancer...
23:00 Stay away from dairy milk.
23:01 I think I've already mentioned that.
23:02 Dairy milk promotes breast cancer and it's best to
23:06 stay away from the dairy milk
23:08 and the dairy products altogether.
23:09 And if we do some of these very SIMPLE things,
23:12 that God has shown us to do, we will have a good chance to
23:15 fight the breast cancer and, even better,
23:17 to avoid getting the breast cancer in the first place
23:19 and so, mothers, feed it to your children...
23:22 Mothers, feed it to yourselves.
23:24 Fathers, boys, everybody... eat the soy products
23:27 because I believe this is the way we should be going
23:30 in our society today... Dr. Thrash.
23:32 And also... there are just soybeans...
23:35 We can just take the soybeans...
23:37 There are nice recipes for scrambled soybeans.
23:40 I like that very much and then just boil up some nice
23:44 soy limas... they are also delightful.
23:47 And, eaten every day, they encourage good, strong
23:52 bones and a lot of other things.
23:53 And you can roast them like peanuts... Oh yes!
23:55 And there is soy peanut butter... soy nut butter
23:58 So, these are all very good.
23:59 A lot of GOOD soy products today on the market.
24:02 So I'm very thankful that we can have all these products
24:06 that are so strengthening to the body.
24:10 We've talked about gynecomastia, as the Canadians say it.
24:15 And I'd like to find out a little bit about the treatment
24:20 And so, I have asked that Dr. Winn Horsley
24:24 would talk with you again, a little bit about the
24:26 treatment for gynecomastia.
24:28 Okay, Dr. Thrash.
24:31 Well the treatment is very simple.
24:34 We've mentioned that in the cases of drugs,
24:40 you can get quite a few different drugs that will
24:42 CAUSE gynecomastia.
24:44 We didn't even list them all but they're really quite
24:46 common drugs.
24:49 Stopping them... generally brings about healing...
24:52 Brings about total resolution of the problem.
24:54 If we're talking about the young man that I mentioned,
24:59 the adolescents that sometimes get these little tender areas
25:03 in their breasts, just wait... just give a few weeks
25:07 to months and that generally clears up quite well.
25:10 Well, that's all we need to know then... thank you so much.
25:14 For women who have a family history of having problems
25:21 with the breast, they need to understand the number of things
25:23 in the care of the breasts.
25:26 Let me just mention several things that we have
25:29 in our counseling sheet for patients.
25:31 One is to keep the breasts very small...
25:35 Doing so has multiple advantages.
25:37 One is that you, yourself, can feel any abnormal density
25:42 or a lump that may develop in the breast.
25:45 Also, when you're getting a physical examination,
25:48 the physician can locate breast problems better
25:53 in the small breast...
25:54 And a second thing, the more overweight the breast is,
25:58 the more likely it is to develop a cancer.
26:01 Then, daily cleansing of the nipples with a daily shower
26:06 especially for younger women whose breast
26:10 secretions are quite a lot...
26:12 this will help to keep the nipples in good shape.
26:17 Then an injury of the breast...
26:19 Which we now know is a precursor of cancer
26:22 of the breast in some women...
26:24 Injury to the breast should be treated.
26:26 Such as with contrast baths... hot and cold
26:29 Hot compress for 3 minutes, and a cold compress,
26:34 or even an ice compress for about 30 seconds
26:36 Repeat this again and again for about 3 to 5 exchanges
26:42 on a daily basis until the breast is no longer tender
26:46 or blue if there was a bruise there.
26:51 Then the first day of each season, a woman needs
26:55 to examine her breasts herself.
26:58 That means that she should look at the breasts
27:01 in a mirror... especially with a light coming in from the side
27:05 so that any highlights of any lump, or increased density
27:11 in the breast could be easily seen.
27:13 Then, she needs to have the hands very slippery
27:17 such as might occur if she were in the shower
27:20 or when she's lying down to massage the breasts
27:26 with her hands in all quadrants so that she can
27:30 turn up any kind of breast lesion
27:33 that might be there.
27:34 It is our Heavenly Father's desire that we should
27:37 prosper and be in health.
27:40 In fact, He has had His prophet to say that very thing.
27:42 "That above all things, He desires that we prosper
27:46 and be in health. "
27:47 It is our desire that we can teach you some things
27:50 that will be of eternal blessing
27:52 to you and to your family.