Participants: J.D. Quinn (Host), Tom Shepherd
Series Code: HPOV
Program Code: HPOV000033A
00:16 Welcome to Heaven's Point of View.
00:17 My name is J.D. Quinn. 00:20 We are gonna be talking on this series, 00:21 love, marriage, sex and divorce according to the New Testament. 00:25 And it's my privilege to be able to share this time 00:29 with Dr. Tom Shepherd. 00:31 And, Tom, we are getting into some heavy stuff here. 00:35 We are beginning to-- well, we're gonna talk about sex. 00:39 Yep. 00:40 That's where, a lot I know that 00:42 that's caught a lot of people's attention. 00:43 And at this time probably before we kick this thing, 00:47 I think it's important that people know 00:49 that you're not only have a, 00:53 you're professor of New Testament interpretation, 00:56 but you also have a doctorate in public health. 01:00 Yes. 01:01 And so in dealing with from that particular, 01:05 then we are gonna look into how powerful sex is. 01:10 Yes. 01:11 And so if you want-- 01:13 We look at some statistics to talk about 01:14 sexual mores and sexual practices 01:17 within the United States. 01:18 Okay. From a number of good books. 01:20 Yes. 01:22 So I guess that what we're trying to do is kind of 01:24 see how the New Testament-- 01:27 Yeah, we are gonna look at terms of how, what happens is, 01:30 it's happening in American society today 01:32 compares to what's happening in Corinth 01:34 because we're gonna read 01:35 1 Corinthians 6, 1 Corinthians 7. 01:37 Yes. Yes. 01:39 Let's go with it. Okay. 01:40 So we start at the beginning 01:42 and the first thing that I say to people 01:44 and I say this in my class is that sex is dynamite. 01:48 Sex is dynamite. 01:49 Now if you think of dynamite sex, 01:53 dynamite has two very important characteristics. 01:56 Yeah. It's very powerful. 01:58 Very powerful. 01:59 It's very powerful and if you take so, 02:02 you know, it's not something you just fool around with. 02:05 You won't just say, hey, 02:06 let's just throw that stick of dynamite over there 02:07 because well, you might be dead if you do something like that. 02:10 So dynamite is very powerful, handle with care, right. 02:16 The other thing about dynamite is very interesting. 02:19 If we were to set off a stick of dynamite in this room, 02:21 it would really mess up quite a bit of things. 02:23 Yeah. 02:25 But if we were to go to say one of the foundation pillars 02:30 or corners of this building and we were to drill a hole 02:33 into the foundation 02:35 and we would put a stick of dynamite 02:36 in there and set it off, 02:38 it would bring down a lot more of thing, 02:40 of the whole place. 02:42 So the point is that when dynamite is confined, 02:46 its power is enhanced. 02:48 Enhanced. 02:49 Because it, you know, it's explosive 02:51 against something that's solid. 02:53 Yes. Now sex is just like that. 02:58 Sex is very, very powerful. 03:00 It's one of the fundamental drives 03:02 that God has placed in every human being 03:04 and it is so powerful, 03:07 it drives people to do all kinds of things, 03:09 sometimes some very foolish things 03:11 when they are not careful about it. 03:13 And this is really the reason why Christian teaching says 03:19 that sex is so powerful, so valuable actually 03:22 that you just confine it to marriage. 03:24 Yes. 03:26 Now researchers have looked into this 03:28 to try to determine 03:30 who has the most pleasure in sex. 03:35 You know, if you only watched Hollywood movies 03:37 or listen to the media, 03:39 you would think that the people who have 03:41 the most sex and the most enjoyment of sex 03:45 are people who are running around 03:48 with lots of sex partners 03:49 and they are probably not married 03:53 and they are, if they are, they are unfaithful 03:55 to their spouse and they are, 03:56 you know, they are just going with lots of different people. 03:59 Actually the data from scientific studies 04:04 indicate that's not the case. 04:06 That is not the case. Well, what is the case? 04:08 Well, here's the interesting thing. 04:10 University of Chicago some time ago 04:11 did a study on some of this 04:14 and they found that conservative Christian women, 04:17 think it was a group of Protestant women actually. 04:19 Conservative Protestant women 04:20 reported the highest level of sexual satisfaction 04:23 among any of the groups that they studied. 04:26 Wow. 04:27 And this really kind of surprised the researchers, 04:30 you know, and it was a different paradigm. 04:34 Usually these conservative Christian women 04:36 are considered purge. 04:38 You know, they are considered, they must not enjoy it. 04:41 They don't even want it. 04:42 They keep themselves covered up all the time. 04:44 So that's leaves that they're stereotype. 04:47 Yeah, stereotype. Yeah. 04:48 So, you know, I'd like to joke with the young men 04:51 sometime in my class. 04:52 I say, "Now you know this is what they discovered 04:55 that there were these young conservative, 04:58 these conservative women have the most sexual satisfaction." 05:01 I said, "Young men, you came to a Christian college. 05:05 And not only did you come to a Christian college, 05:08 you came to a conservative Christian college. 05:11 And guess what, it is conservative Christian college, 05:14 there are conservative Christian women, 05:16 you came to the right place. 05:19 Amen. Amen. 05:20 You see, you came to right place so. 05:21 Well, let's look at the good news about the young people, 05:24 about their sexual mores. 05:25 Yeah, and there is some good news out there 05:27 that there was, this was reported 05:29 by the Centers for Disease Control 05:31 in one of their reports in 2008 and they found 05:36 that there were decreases in a number of risky behaviors 05:40 among high school students between 1991 and 2007. 05:44 Amen. 05:45 They found that the group of young people 05:47 who had ever had sexual intercourse 05:49 was down 12 percent. 05:51 They found that those who had 05:53 had four or more sexual partners 05:55 was down 20 percent. 05:58 They found that the percentage of the students 06:00 that were currently sexually active 06:02 was down 7 percent. 06:04 Right, so these are all things going in the right direction. 06:07 That's good news. 06:09 Because for young people to be doing these things 06:12 and to before they are married is usually is risky behavior 06:17 and it's harmful behavior. 06:18 And there is certain major consequences to follow that. 06:21 Oh, yeah. 06:22 Now let's look at the flip side, what is the bad side. 06:24 Unfortunately there is some bad news. 06:27 Even with those decreases that we've mentioned here, 06:31 the following statistics were also reported 06:34 among US high school students in 2007 06:37 ever had sexual intercourse 47.8 percent. 06:41 That's amazing. 06:42 Almost one in two, almost half of them. 06:45 Had four or more sexual partners 06:48 in their lifetime about 15 percent, 06:50 14.9, one in seven. 06:52 And this is high school students? 06:54 These are high school students, US high school students. 06:56 Currently sexually active, 35 percent, about one in three. 07:00 So I mean, this is rampant. 07:02 I mean, that's a lot of people. 07:05 Half of them have had sex, 07:07 a third of them are currently active 07:09 and a small group but not that small 07:12 15 percent are doing terribly risky behaviors. 07:16 You know, they have had 07:17 four or more sexual partners in their lifetime. 07:20 From another study that was published in 2011 07:25 in the college age group. 07:26 Now the college age group is an older age group 07:30 18 to 23 around that age period. 07:33 They also looked into the number of sexual partners, 07:37 lifetime sexual partners that these young people have had. 07:41 And the shocking figure is that 07:45 for those who had never had a sexual partner, 07:48 they had never had sex was only 16 percent. 07:53 It's amazing. 07:54 So about 85 percent of the students in college 07:58 had had sex. 07:59 Now in high school, it was about 50 percent 08:02 but it went up to 85 percent by the end of college. 08:07 And they get to, you know, how many partners, 08:10 number of partners they had. 08:11 The really shocking stuff though was they had a group 08:14 where they would say that they had 08:16 had five to ten sexual partners 08:18 or and they even had a group that was 11 plus. 08:22 Of the five to ten group it was about 08:25 anywhere from 23 to 26 percent of these young people. 08:29 The 11 plus group was 10 to 14 percent. 08:32 You are talking about one third of the college students 08:37 have had five or more sexual partners in their lifetime. 08:40 I mean, these are young people that are in their early 20s. 08:44 You know, so it's shocking kind of statistic. 08:47 It's amazing. It's amazing. Yeah. 08:49 Lots of unfortunate promiscuity. 08:52 The same researchers 08:54 investigated the characteristics of those 08:57 with five or more sexual partners. 08:59 So they took that last group of five to ten and 11 plus 09:05 and they said, now, are there certain kinds of 09:08 characteristics about these young people, 09:10 you know, that are more common among them 09:13 and here's what they found. 09:15 Men who were in that group were more likely to take risks. 09:19 Like I said, that doesn't come as much of a surprise. 09:21 They were more likely to drink regularly 09:25 and they were more likely to attend church irregularly. 09:30 So they were going all in the wrong places and-- 09:33 And they were just, they were party people. 09:34 Yeah. 09:36 Women, they were more likely to drink regularly 09:39 and they were more likely to have had an abortion. 09:42 Wow. 09:43 All of this because of their promiscuous lifestyle. 09:46 So these are sad kind of statistics. 09:49 Now these are numbers, these are percentages 09:52 but every single one of these 09:54 represents an individual whose life is hurt. 09:59 Now in the same book on Premarital Sex in America, 10:02 the author is making an intriguing claim about 10:04 sexual relationships. 10:06 They say this on page 52 in their book. 10:08 "Sex is not entirely a private matter 10:11 between two people, Baumeister and Vohs assert." 10:16 This is a couple of researchers. 10:17 "Instead, it becomes part of 10:20 an economic and social system in which couples participate." 10:26 The authors go on to describe how young people find out 10:28 what the price for having sex is. 10:32 You know, how much do you have to pay to have sex? 10:35 I still remember reading this book 10:36 where they said, the highest price 10:39 that anybody ever has to pay 10:42 is lifetime commitment in a marriage 10:46 which is the ideal that Christian start with, 10:52 that you say no sex until marriage. 10:54 Yes. 10:56 But they say, that's the highest price 10:58 ever anyone ever has to pay. 11:01 And they say on page 58 and 59 in their book, 11:04 they say "The real problem for women 11:06 lies in how the negotiations of sex takes place, 11:10 that is locating the price. 11:14 Sexual negotiation of this sort 11:16 occurs within the context of powerful 11:19 yet malleable cultural stories 11:22 about what ought to happen in relationships 11:25 and when, that is, what is normal 11:28 for the crowd that you're in." 11:31 Right, there I stop and say, 11:32 well, now here's a very important thing 11:34 that we need to think about with our young people 11:37 and that is who are they spending time with. 11:40 Who are their friends? 11:42 Most of us are not willing to admit 11:44 but actually the people, 11:46 the most important decision or the most important decisions 11:49 we make are the friends we choose. 11:52 And I guess growing up that's something 11:54 that every parent just pleads with their children. 11:57 Yeah. 11:59 You know, who are your friends? 12:02 You know, stay away from that young man 12:05 or stay away from that young woman, 12:07 you know, because they are not really, 12:09 you know, they don't have the same values as you have. 12:12 Now, sometimes parents will get the kind of concept, 12:15 well, let them choose their friends and everything 12:17 and I don't like argument with my young person. 12:20 I don't like saying, you know, I don't want you going there. 12:23 I want you to be here at a certain time and everything. 12:25 But actually, you see that actually shows 12:29 doing the right way that shows that you love your children. 12:32 Exactly. 12:34 The difference, the opposite of love 12:36 is not anger or hate. 12:38 The opposite of love is indifference. 12:41 And the person says, well, I don't care where you go. 12:42 I don't care when you come home and everything like that. 12:45 That's not the person who loves their children. 12:47 We should be saying to our children, 12:50 "What time is the party, who will you be with? 12:53 Who is there with you at this program? 12:56 You know, where will you?" 12:57 I remember when I was, when I was boy, 13:00 I didn't understand this 13:01 but my father used to say to my daughter, my sister. 13:04 My father used to say to my sister 13:05 when she was going out with somebody. 13:08 He said, you go straight there and straight back. 13:09 Yeah. 13:11 Well, I can hear, I can hear that right now. 13:13 But I want, I just want to, I want to-- 13:18 I would like for you to repeat this. 13:20 When we are talking about locating the price, 13:25 we are not talking about a monitory figure here. 13:28 No. No. This is deep stuff. 13:31 Yeah. 13:32 This is the price that you may, 13:33 the consequence of what you may be paying 13:36 the rest of your life. 13:37 I think that's very important. Yeah. 13:39 Because whenever I first read that, 13:41 you know, your mind goes the monitory in 13:43 but this has nothing to do with that. 13:45 It's not money, it's a social price. 13:49 And they go on to say, 13:50 "Those narratives, the narratives to the stories 13:52 that young people tell 13:53 those narratives have changed overtime 13:55 and become considerably more friendly 13:57 to early sexual experience 14:00 and in keeping with the theory 14:01 much more tailored 14:03 to men sexual interest than to women's." 14:05 Yeah. 14:06 And you see, we as parents, we as a Christian community 14:11 are those who helped to set the narratives 14:14 for our young people. 14:15 They actually look up to us. 14:16 They won't always say that but they look up to us 14:19 and they are watching us. 14:20 I've taught young people for a long time 14:23 and I know that they have a very strong hypocrisy meter. 14:27 They are looking for a dream to live 14:30 and they say, "Do you have a dream 14:31 that's worth my living, giving my life for?" 14:34 When they see us as Christians sacrificing ourselves for them, 14:38 sacrificing ourselves for other people 14:41 and they say, "Oh, 14:42 well, he is not just focused on himself." 14:45 That is actually very appealing. 14:47 It really draws them. 14:49 The sad fact is 14:50 that for the young people in this 18 to 23 age group 14:54 quite often they have sex after being in a relationship 14:57 for only a month, only a month of time. 15:01 And the authors go on in page 61 in this book, 15:04 Premarital Sex in America. 15:05 "If historically men were willing to work for sex-- 15:08 that is, earn the attentions of a potential partner 15:11 by displaying commitment, life skills, 15:14 and or a promising trajectory 15:16 the modern man certainly doesn't have to. 15:19 It's a different world, 15:20 where in the physical risks of sex 15:22 have been dramatically lowered 15:24 and the independent, economic trajectories of women 15:26 dramatically raised." 15:28 So you have these two things going in opposite direction 15:29 and we said, you know, there are situations where 15:32 this isn't bad 15:34 that you, that you say have good treatments 15:36 for sexual transmitted diseases 15:39 or that women have more economic independence. 15:41 This isn't bad coin of stuff but the consequences 15:45 without proper Christian instruction 15:50 is that can easily lead in the wrong direction. 15:54 They go on to say in page 65, "The losers..." 15:58 Now this is very interesting from a Christian perspective. 16:01 "The losers in this discounted sexual marketplace 16:05 are clearly women 16:06 who would prefer a high price for sex, 16:11 those who want to remain virgins until marriage 16:15 and yet who wish to get married. 16:17 They are increasingly put in a bind 16:20 in their pursuit of a lifelong relationship, 16:22 constrained by how the sexual decisions 16:24 of their peers 16:26 alter market expectations about the price of sex." 16:29 On the same page. "The value men have to offer 16:32 in the sexual marketplace, stability, family, wealth 16:35 has clearly diminished and so has the cost of sex. 16:38 What motivation exists for men to be anything, 16:41 then, besides the stereotypic 16:42 'take what you can get' kind of man? 16:44 Not a lot, unless a man already wishes 16:48 to be something different than that." 16:51 These people that are writing this, 16:53 I know these two guys are Christians. 16:55 This was published by Oxford Press 16:57 and I picked it up at a society biblical literature meetings 17:00 when I was going through it the last day and say, 17:02 "I teach this class. 17:04 Oh, this looks to be a good book for me. 17:05 I don't know but it's good to have." 17:07 I started reading it, I was just kind of shocked by things. 17:09 Here's the thing I want to say. 17:11 We in the Christian society and the Christian church 17:15 need to affirm our young people 17:18 when they do what's good and what's right. 17:20 I remember being at a college 17:22 where young people were singing, I was watching 17:25 and there was this young lady in particular that I saw, 17:27 I think she was on the front row 17:29 and she had modest dressed. 17:31 You know, she was just dressed modestly 17:33 and I went up to her afterwards. 17:36 Now some people 17:37 might think it was kind of crazy or something, 17:39 but I went up to her afterwards and I said, 17:41 "You know, I noticed that you dressed modestly." 17:43 I said, "I want to tell you I appreciate that." 17:47 And because there is so much in the media, 17:49 there is so much among their peers 17:50 is going the other way. 17:52 They need affirmation from the adults around them, 17:55 they say, no, you are doing good. 17:56 You are doing well. 17:58 You are following the right kind of pattern. 18:00 Oh, this is got to be extremely difficult. 18:03 I mean, peer pressure today is just, it's got to be-- 18:07 I mean, here 18:09 these precious women and precious men, 18:14 the objective at least as a Christian 18:17 want to save your virginity. 18:19 Want to save it. 18:21 I mean, there is, it's just, it's that preciousness there 18:24 and we've got a number of married friends 18:29 that we counsel with everything 18:31 and they were virgins when they married 18:32 and it was just, they just, 18:34 we need to get their testimonies 18:36 okay, because they override 18:39 that there is a world out there, 18:40 you know, that's claiming the consequences with them. 18:43 We should also note that one of the things 18:46 that lowers this price, 18:47 they've talked about in economic terms 18:49 lowers the price, 18:50 the social price of sex is pornography. 18:52 And sometimes people think, 18:54 "Oh, I'm just watching this by myself. 18:56 Oh, this has no effect." That is not true at all. 19:01 It also lowers this price, this social price, 19:04 this concept of story of what's involved. 19:07 And so it's really something for us to counter. 19:09 Yeah. 19:11 Well, we better move on and start talking. 19:12 We got just a few minutes. We need to talk about Corinth. 19:15 Yeah. 19:16 Because I mean, 19:18 I think we are going in the direction 19:20 of 1 Corinthians 6 and 7 19:23 what was the life of Corinth in her net time. 19:26 Okay, so the church was established by Paul 19:29 during an 18 month period stay 19:32 while he was on his second missionary journey. 19:34 This probably happened somewhere between 19:38 AD 51, AD 50, 51, 52. 19:41 It's a rather interesting story of how we know this. 19:43 There was a pro-council named Gallio and he was, 19:48 Paul was brought before him during that time 19:50 and there is a very small window 19:52 where we can nail down that Paul was there. 19:54 Well, Paul establishes this church 19:56 and then he leaves for other destinations 19:58 on his missionary work. 20:00 The city was a trade center. 20:02 There were many religions present. 20:04 High on the list was the Imperial Cult 20:06 where people would worship 20:08 the guardian deity of the emperor. 20:11 And clues in 1 Corinthians suggest 20:12 the members of the church did not separate themselves 20:15 from the surrounding society. 20:17 Sounds familiar. 20:19 You know, they didn't separate themselves 20:21 from the surrounding society 20:23 unlike 1 Thessalonians 20:25 which gives evidence of conflict 20:27 with the outside world. 20:29 Corinth and Corinthians does not seem to display 20:31 that kind of conflict with the outside world. 20:35 So there are these three characteristics of the city 20:39 that impacted 1 Corinthians position 20:45 that is its relationship to Rome. 20:48 Corinth was a Roman colony. 20:52 Prosperity, the city was prosperous 20:55 and self sufficient and pragmatism. 20:59 So the three piece, position, prosperity, and pragmatism. 21:04 The core tradition and culture of the city 21:06 revolved around trade and business 21:09 and entrepreneurial pragmatism. 21:12 Now actually-- 21:14 So you could just basically get anything that you wanted 21:18 in Corinth at that time. 21:19 Yeah, for that world. 21:21 Corinth was located 21:23 and you can go see the ruins of Corinth today. 21:25 It's very interesting to go visit 21:27 and the-- it was located on an isthmus 21:31 which was like a narrow piece of land in between two seas. 21:36 And what would happen is if you could go and get 21:41 a ship across that isthmus, 21:43 you didn't have to go all the way around. 21:45 Kind of like, you know, 21:47 the Panama Canal kind of a thing. 21:49 Well, they have these ideas of digging a canal there 21:52 for a long time 21:54 but it never happened until like the 19th century. 21:57 But what they used to do 21:58 was they used to take boats that were, 22:00 that had small draft, you know, 22:02 and they would wheel them across 22:05 this isthmus on like put rollers, put them on wheels 22:09 and they pull them across there. 22:11 So Corinth was right in that area 22:13 and it's fascinating to visit this city today, 22:16 the ruins of the city. 22:18 One of the interesting things about Corinth is that there 22:21 if you go out on a field that's across the way, 22:23 it's parched upon the ruins of the city. 22:25 There is this big huge plaque lined out in the open. 22:30 I don't know why they have putted in a museum 22:32 but its big plaque that has the name Erastus on it. 22:36 Now if you read in the New Testament, 22:38 the Book of Romans, you will find this guy's name. 22:43 Erastus was the treasurer of the city 22:46 and he was a Christian. 22:48 He became a Christian. 22:50 And so he is mentioned as one of Paul's companions. 22:53 He probably, you know, was a wealthy enough man. 22:56 Actually he makes this plaque that says, 22:58 that he put up this plaque 23:00 and he didn't use any money from the city to do it. 23:02 Was in honor of him and his son something like that. 23:05 So it's really fascinating that we have evidence of the Bible 23:09 and linking up with the archeology 23:10 right there in Corinth. 23:11 But that was kind of the personality 23:13 of that time too honoring self. 23:16 Yeah, well, and I mean, 23:17 he was an important official in the land 23:20 so, you know, it was this typical kind of stuff. 23:23 So the problems at Corinth, the Corinthian believers 23:26 took other believers to pagan court in disputes. 23:30 They were factions within the church. 23:32 One of the believers was involved in incest. 23:35 There were divisions between rich and poor. 23:38 It seems like they were people who were visiting prostitutes 23:43 or having sex with their slaves. 23:45 I mean, if you put on top of that 23:47 there were key doctrines of the Christian faith 23:50 that they were all mixed up about ecclesiology 23:53 and eschatology and sexual ethics, 23:57 divorce, remarriage, spiritual gifts, 24:00 relationships to outsiders. 24:02 I mean, just over and over, 24:05 just problem after problem with these people. 24:08 This church was not an easy church 24:09 to get along with 24:10 and Paul kind of has to wind his way in between 24:15 a number of groups in trying to help them. 24:18 They had people who were libertine 24:19 and just sex was everything. 24:21 They had people who were ascetics 24:22 and who were like, 24:24 "Oh, no, you shouldn't have sex even if you married. 24:26 Can you imagine having two groups 24:28 like that in a same church? 24:30 I mean, it would be like the ultraconservatives 24:31 and the ultraliberals. 24:33 And they were like challenging. Yeah. 24:35 They would just be fighting over time. 24:36 Mating, matings all the time. 24:38 And you are the pastor trying to help solve, 24:42 you know, their problems 24:43 and try to help straighten them out. 24:45 So as we're gonna look at 1 Corinthians 6 and 7, 24:48 we are gonna see 24:50 that Paul very carefully but why does he bring 24:53 the important and the big theology 24:55 to bear on the issues that these people were facing. 24:59 It's really my favorite passage 25:01 to explain in the class that I teach and love, 25:04 marriage, sex and divorce. 25:06 My favorite passage to explain is the one we look at next 25:10 which is 1 Corinthians 6. 25:12 But kind of looking here 25:15 at what the church of the problem, 25:19 the problem of the church in Corinth is David Garland 25:22 the commentator on this said in his commentary on page, 25:27 well, it's referenced in Gordon Fee's book 25:30 but David Garland said-- I'm sorry. 25:33 It's David Garland referencing Gordon Fee. 25:35 Gordon Fee, he said, 25:37 "The problem was not that the church was in Corinth 25:40 but that too much of Corinth was in the church." 25:44 So these very, all these problems 25:46 that the culture random was producing 25:48 was what was coming into the church 25:50 and the parallel to our society today 25:54 is striking 25:57 with sexual mores going down, with people within the church. 26:02 I mean, we don't like to admit it 26:04 but the culture around us 26:07 actually impacts us a great deal. 26:09 And what's in the media and what we see 26:11 and what our friends around us see and everything. 26:14 So the experience of Corinth, they were having problems 26:17 of Corinth coming into the church. 26:19 We are having problems of our society around us 26:24 impacting us and kind of like what I would say 26:28 is like fish and water. 26:30 You know, fish don't know what water is 26:32 until you take it out of it and our world is a world of sin 26:37 and so we don't tend to know what sin is. 26:41 We tend to underestimate it. 26:42 We tend to downplay it 26:45 and the more we see it in the media, 26:46 the more we see in around us, 26:49 the more it desensitizes us to that. 26:52 Yeah. Yeah. 26:53 So there's that great parallel between the two, 26:56 between Corinth and our modern world. 26:58 So it's gonna be fascinating for us to look at 27:01 to delve into 1 Corinthian 6 where Paul faces up 27:06 to the problem of sexual promiscuity 27:09 and where he addresses the very problems 27:12 that the Corinthians were facing 27:14 and brings them back to the gospel, 27:17 brings them back to Christ and to the gospel. 27:21 You go from here. Yeah. 27:22 Well, it's absolutely, it' absolutely to me amazing 27:26 and say the last 50 years or whatever the, 27:30 how the sexual mores have declined. 27:33 They have. 27:34 And looking back, you know, 27:36 kind of running a parallel with the way it was 27:40 before we made some major changes. 27:43 And we have people that are happy, 27:45 we have people that are complaining 27:47 about where we are. 27:48 So anyway, here once again 27:51 it's just amazing to be able to sit at professor's feet 27:55 and listen and understand the history a little bit more 27:58 and I just know personally, 28:01 I have certainly continued to learn. 28:03 Bless each and every one of you. 28:05 We love you all. God bless. |
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