Participants: J.D. Quinn (Host), Tom Shepherd
Series Code: HPOV
Program Code: HPOV000031A
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00:16 Welcome to Heaven's Point of View.
00:18 My name is J.D. Quinn, we have a series called, 00:22 "Love, Marriage, Sex, and Divorce 00:24 according to the New Testament. " 00:26 I'm happy to be able to co-host with Dr. Tom Sheperd, Ph. D., 00:32 Professor of the New Testament Interpretation 00:35 at the Andrews University Seminary. 00:38 We were talking about degrees a while ago, 00:44 Tom is a very educated man 00:45 and I just absolutely loved what he said, 00:47 "Let's not concentrate on degrees, 00:50 let's concentrate on the Word of God" 00:52 and so, that's what we're paying attention to, today, 00:56 is, "What does the New Testament say 00:59 about instructions to husbands?" 01:02 But before we go there, Tom, 01:05 what I'd like to do is to kind of review back 01:08 talking about instructions to the wives 01:11 and then we'll move forward. 01:13 Yeah, we're talking from Ephesians chapter 5, 01:16 is what we were looking at, 01:17 and the Apostle Paul, in this section of Ephesians, 01:21 he has a series of instructions for the Christian household. 01:26 There are three groups of people 01:28 that he talks to in the household, 01:30 he first talks to wives and then to husbands 01:33 and to children and to parents, then to slaves and to masters. 01:38 These were common groups 01:40 in the Greco-Roman world that Paul lived in 01:42 that would be in any household of any person, 01:47 now they may not all have slaves 01:49 but slaves were fairly common in the ancient world, 01:51 it wasn't the same kind of slavery as in... 01:54 There were just more members of the family, 01:58 they might not have been related. 01:59 Yeah, and... I mean... slavery is never good, 02:02 never has been good, 02:03 but it was probably worse here in the United States 02:06 than it was back in the ancient world. 02:08 People could buy their way out of slavery 02:09 and some other things 02:11 but we're focusing on this instruction to the household. 02:15 Now, the Book of Ephesians, as we've said before, 02:17 breaks into two sections, 02:19 the first three chapters are about Theology, 02:21 the last three chapters are about how you apply that, 02:24 how you show it in your life 02:25 and we come to chapter 5, 02:27 and we've already been looking at Ephesians 5 02:30 in some detail, 02:31 we said that the only way for the family 02:36 to really have success is to be submitted to the Holy Spirit 02:39 and we saw that in verses 15 through 21, 02:44 when we came to the instruction to the wives, 02:46 very interestingly we found in verse 22, 02:49 of Ephesians 5 that... 02:52 in most translations it will say, 02:53 "Wives, submit to your husbands. " 02:55 Interestingly enough, the word "submit" 02:57 it isn't even in there... in Greek. 02:59 Hmmm... 03:00 It's borrowed from the previous verse 03:02 which is good Greek but not good English. 03:05 All right, you've to have it show it... 03:07 but the trouble is that, too many times 03:09 this partly comes just before Ephesians 5:22 and onwards... 03:15 is broken off as a separate section 03:17 when actually, Ephesians 5:22 and onwards 03:20 is a continuation, so Paul says, 03:23 "You've got to be filled with the Holy Spirit 03:25 and then this has an effect in your life," 03:27 and the effect that it has on your life... 03:29 the thesis statement that he makes in verse 21 is, 03:32 "Submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ. " 03:34 Mr. Quinn: Amen. 03:36 And so we come to the wives and he tells them 03:38 to submit to their husbands as to the Lord 03:40 and he describes this idea of 03:42 the husband as the head of the wife, 03:44 we said that that illustrated... 03:47 that there are three different ways 03:48 the word "head" would be used, 03:49 and Paul used all three but probably here he's speaking of 03:52 the husband as the "Representative" of the family, 03:55 like you would say, "the head of the household" 03:57 but representing the family 03:58 and then he makes this comparison 04:02 he talks about Christ as the Savior of the Church, 04:06 the Savior of the Body, and he says, 04:09 "But, as the church submits to Christ, 04:12 so wives are also submit to their husbands in everything. " 04:14 He makes a distinction between Jesus and the husband. 04:18 The husband is not Jesus. Mr. Quinn: Amen. 04:21 And, the husband is not the savior of the wife 04:24 and the wife is not the body of the husband 04:27 so, the husband has the role of Leadership 04:31 but it's not the same as the Leadership Role that Christ has 04:34 and the husband, when we actually come... 04:36 he's been talking to wives, 04:38 too many times there are men 04:40 who want to focus on what Paul says to the wives 04:44 when really, what they should focus on 04:46 is what Paul says to the husbands 04:48 because when they start saying, "You need to submit to me... " 04:51 well, now, that's the wrong kind of attitude, 04:53 that's the wrong look, you see the Apostle... 04:56 the same Apostle says over in Galatians, 04:57 "There's neither male nor female, neither slave nor free, 04:59 we're all one in Christ, we're all equal," 05:02 so, equality is an important concept, 05:05 and we also indicated in a previous program 05:09 that "submission does not mean inferiority," 05:12 Jesus submitted to his parents 05:15 and He was certainly not inferior to them, 05:18 submission does not mean 05:20 that the person has no relationship to God, 05:23 that they only go through their husband 05:26 for something like that, 05:27 Paul addresses the wives themselves, 05:30 and he says, "You submit to your husband as to the Lord," 05:34 so, they have a personal relationship 05:36 with Christ themselves, 05:38 third, "submission does not mean that you're a doormat," 05:42 there are some things that you don't submit to, 05:45 there are some things that go too far 05:47 and that are wrong, 05:48 and that should never happen in the home, 05:51 and so, Paul, reorganizes the concept of the Christian home 05:55 with Christ at the center. 05:57 What would be a synonym for "submit?" 06:00 What in the Greek... I mean, what happens? 06:04 The term actually is two terms put together, 06:07 it's epotasso, "epo" is under 06:09 and "tasso" is actually, to line up 06:11 and so, you would say, 06:14 "To submit to be under or to accept the role of Leadership" 06:22 maybe something like that. 06:23 So, it has nothing to do with "submission," 06:27 it has to do with just the "place in the family," 06:31 there is the Leader, there is the Head, 06:33 so, since there should just be one Head, 06:36 well then, of course, then, underneath that 06:39 is the wife, taking her rightful place, 06:42 with her role... her executive duties, yeah. 06:46 Yeah, yeah and so, he emphasizes equality 06:50 between the two people but he talks about submission. 06:53 Now, really when we think about it in life, 06:55 all of us submit to somebody, we all have employers, 06:58 we all have people that are above us, 07:01 in different Organizations, and so, 07:04 submission is something that every Christian does 07:07 and the kind of role of Leadership 07:09 that Paul is going to talk about here, 07:12 really ties in with what Jesus said, 07:15 so, we'll see that, so now we'll turn over to 07:18 what he says to the husbands, 07:20 and I like to read verses 25 through 33, 07:23 this is really the whole section to the husbands, 07:25 it will take a couple of sessions 07:27 for us to go through all of this 07:30 but let's read the whole section so we get the context. 07:34 Okay, starting with verse 25, "Husbands, love your wives, 07:39 just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 07:42 that He might sanctify and cleanse her 07:45 with the washing of water by the word, 07:47 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, 07:51 not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, 07:54 but that she should be holy and without blemish. 07:57 So husbands ought to love their own wives 07:59 as their own bodies; 08:01 he who loves his wife loves himself. 08:03 For no one ever hated his own flesh, 08:06 but nourishes and cherishes it, 08:08 just as the Lord does the church. 08:11 For we are members of His body, 08:13 and of His flesh and of His bones. 08:15 'And for this reason, 08:16 a man shall leave his father and mother 08:18 and be joined to his wife, 08:19 and the two shall become one flesh. ' 08:22 This is a great mystery, 08:24 but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 08:27 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular 08:30 so love his own wife as himself, 08:32 and let the wife see that she respects her husband. " 08:37 Okay, thank you. Amen... Amen. 08:40 Now, we notice that this section when Paul writes to the husband, 08:45 is much longer... much longer 08:49 than the section that he wrote to the wives. 08:51 Of the pairs of people that he had, 08:53 we said that he speaks first to the wives then to the husbands, 08:57 he speaks to the children then to the parents, 08:59 he speaks to the slaves and then to the masters, 09:01 the two groups that have the most said to them 09:04 are the husbands and the slaves. 09:06 Interesting... Hmmm... hmmm... 09:08 Probably, because they had the most "changing" to do 09:12 in terms of what it meant to be a Christian 09:15 in that Greco-Roman world. Amen. 09:18 They had to go through more modifications, you might say. 09:22 You see, it's kind of interesting 09:24 that he addresses the wives first 09:26 because, in the Greco-Roman world, 09:28 the husband... he was called the "Pater familias" 09:30 he was large and in charge, 09:32 he was pretty much the... 09:34 the guy with all the power in the family, 09:37 what he said was pretty much, "Law," 09:40 so, typically, you would think 09:42 if you're going to address the family, 09:44 you would start with talking to him. 09:46 That's not what Paul does. Hmmm... 09:48 He instead starts by talking to the wives. 09:50 So, he gives you a little indication maybe there 09:53 from the beginning saying to you, 09:54 "I'm throwing you a curve ball here. " 09:56 Yeah. 09:58 You know, you need to understand that... 09:59 that the Christian home isn't like 10:01 what other homes are like, 10:03 it's a bit different than those other homes. 10:06 I'm not going to talk to the top dog first, 10:08 I'm going to talk to somebody lower down first... 10:10 so he talks to them, 10:12 but then he does come to the husbands 10:13 and he describes what he wants them to do. 10:17 And the big surprise is, he said to wives, 10:22 "submit to your husbands," 10:23 what would be the natural word to go with "submit?" 10:28 Why, you think it might be something like, "Rule" 10:33 or "be in charge," right? 10:35 Yeah. 10:37 Be over them, right? 10:38 Yeah, "get behind me. " 10:40 Yeah, that's right, that's right. 10:41 But instead, he says, "husbands love your wives. " 10:46 Amen. 10:47 And just in case you didn't understand what I meant by that, 10:52 "as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her. " 10:57 Okay. 10:58 Now, we've been talking about love, you and me, 11:01 we've been looking at... we had a look awhile back 11:04 when we looked at 1st Corinthians 13. 11:07 Hmmm... hmmm... 11:08 and that verb that we used there, 11:10 was the verb, "agapao" its noun is "agape" 11:16 okay, and that's the term that Paul used in 1st Corinthians 13. 11:22 Do you remember some of the kinds of terminology 11:24 that we used... in terms of defining what love is like? 11:27 Love is like this and like this and like this... 11:30 you remember any of those terminologies? 11:31 I know that it is patient, kind, loving, showing mercy... 11:37 Doesn't brag, doesn't break out in anger, 11:41 doesn't keep track of wrongs... 11:43 Mr. Quinn: Yeah, no shameful deeds, that's right. 11:45 Believes all, trusts all, and so it's... 11:47 Mr. Quinn: And I remember the green stamps. 11:50 The Green stamps, yeah, we talked about green stamps, 11:52 that you don't put those green stamps in there 11:55 and store them up, so, this is the kind of love, 11:58 that Paul wants husbands to have, 12:00 "love your wives," 12:02 so all the things we said there 12:04 in 1st Corinthians 13 about love 12:07 and the kinds of things that we said when we studied 12:10 "Hecedh" back in... it wasn't with you, 12:14 it was with your wife, 12:15 when we studied the Old Testament word 12:18 for "Loving Kindness" 12:20 and how you help somebody 12:22 who needs your help but can't insist on it, 12:25 that's loving kindness, all that kind of idea, 12:28 the patient actions, the kind deeds, 12:32 the showing of mercy, the keeping of confidentiality, 12:36 the "never giving up" on the other person, 12:39 and not bragging, and not bursting out in anger, 12:42 no shameful deeds, 12:43 no seeking your own advantage, no keeping track of... 12:46 all that stuff... that's what Paul wants husbands to do. 12:50 Amen. 12:51 Now you think about that, my! that is a very different way 12:56 of thinking about the home. 12:58 And it sounds... I mean these are terms 13:02 that we deal with all the time 13:04 and so it doesn't seem that foreign to us, 13:06 but, imagine, back then, this was "foreign thinking. " 13:10 Yeah, I think you're right. 13:11 So, this is kind of a paradigm shift, exactly. 13:17 Yeah, see, we seem to little realize, I think, 13:21 the great impact 13:22 that Christianity has had on our culture. 13:24 Now, our culture today, 13:26 is going in the other direction, I'm afraid, 13:29 it's becoming more pagan... 13:31 it's going more in the direction away from that, 13:35 but, there are so many influences of Christianity 13:38 that are seen in the structures of our Society, 13:42 in our Laws, 13:43 in the patterns of how we just think 13:47 that's the way you ought to act, 13:49 that is what Paul plants the seeds for here 13:53 when he says that's the way 13:55 the Christian home is supposed to be. 13:56 And the irony of it is... if things don't turn around, 14:00 well then, some day, 14:02 if this world were to continue as it is now, 14:04 which we believe that Christ will come before then, 14:07 is that this may become foreign again, 14:13 yes, this language could become foreign again, 14:16 yeah, how sad! 14:18 Self-sacrificial kind of love 14:20 that is a "giving love" towards the other person, 14:23 see it's that Christ loved the church 14:25 and gave Himself up for her. 14:27 It's wonderful when husbands and wives 14:29 show this kind of love to one another. 14:32 I remember an experience some years ago, 14:34 I was teaching at Union College 14:38 and it was our 25th Wedding Anniversary 14:41 time period, now, we've just celebrated, recently, 14:44 our fortieth wedding anniversary so that's... 14:46 this is a few years back, and we had gotten into the habit 14:52 of sending each other roses on our anniversary. 14:57 Sending each other... 14:58 Yeah, yeah, I would get roses for her, 15:01 I usually get... the number of roses for the number of years 15:05 and then I would also add a white rose in there as well 15:08 Mr. Quinn: So you're a romantic. 15:10 Yes, and my wife is too, 15:13 so, I come to my office that morning, 15:16 and I walk into my office and here is a bouquet 15:20 of 25 red roses, and I just laughed out loud 15:24 because she had done this surprise for me, you know, 15:28 and she had this vase with these 25 red roses in it 15:32 and actually then I got me... it gave me impetus 15:35 and I called up and I ordered 25... plus the white rose 15:39 now she would have those as well, 15:40 but I still remember this, it was at lunch time, 15:45 I was scheduled to go to the cafeteria, 15:48 to the Union College Cafeteria 15:52 and to meet with a Club of Poets, 15:55 it was a Poetry Club that I had helped to establish 15:59 and so, I'm the kind of guy that if you got good news 16:03 man! you got to share it, you got to share the good news, 16:07 so, it was lunch time, 16:09 I took those 25 roses in that big vase 16:12 and I walked over to the cafeteria 16:15 and I didn't know exactly, I didn't remember exactly 16:18 where this Poetry Club was meeting, 16:20 it turns out it was at the beginning, 16:22 right towards the beginning, 16:23 when you walk into the cafeteria but I didn't realize that 16:26 and I walked all the way through the cafeteria 16:29 looking for this group of people, 16:32 now, I don't know if you've ever carried 25 red roses in a vase 16:37 through a cafeteria, I'll tell you what happened, 16:40 everybody was turning, looking at those 25 red roses 16:46 when you have good news, you have to share it, 16:48 so, she had done something loving. 16:50 Hopefully they knew who they were going to 16:54 or who they were from. 16:55 Again, I was impressed with 16:58 how red roses... 17:00 like those 25 red roses really turned their head, 17:02 You bet! my goodness, I just can't believe this, 17:08 not only are you a romantic but you're into Poetry too, 17:12 it doesn't get any better than that, girls. 17:14 I wrote poems for my wife, I wrote sonnets for a while 17:19 and made her cry when she realized how much I loved her 17:23 so, showing love, I mean, those are small things, 17:26 see, the kinds of things that Paul stresses here 17:30 are really giving yourself, for the Apostle Paul, 17:34 the Cross is the paradigm for the Christian home. 17:37 The Cross is the paradigm for the Christian home... 17:40 It's the paradigm for how the husband is to show... 17:44 it's the self-giving sacrificial love. 17:47 Christ was the model for the wife, 17:50 it says, "as to the Lord," 17:52 she is to submit... as to the Lord, 17:53 and Christ is the model for the husband, 17:56 he is to love as Christ loved the church 17:58 and we really shouldn't be surprised at this 18:00 because this is Christian, it's a Christian marriage 18:06 and Jesus said, "Whoever will come after me, 18:10 let him take up his cross and follow me. " 18:13 So we shouldn't be surprised, 18:15 a Christian marriage involves sacrifice 18:17 and the very practical aspect of following Jesus, 18:22 is the way you're supposed to treat other people, 18:27 you are to treat them the way that Jesus treated you. 18:30 You're to forgive, you're to be loving, 18:32 you're to give up your desires to help and bless them, 18:36 see the whole Greco-Roman thing of the husband being in charge, 18:39 it all focuses on his desires, now Jesus turns that around 18:43 and there's a new reference point, 18:45 the new reference point is Christ, 18:47 you're supposed to be it... then... 18:49 then, this is nicely illustrated by an interesting story 18:53 about killing flies, killing flies... 18:56 I used to have trouble killing flies, 18:58 you know, you take the fly swatter and 19:01 swat at it... and the fly... just flies right away, 19:05 you know, until I learned 19:07 some of what the Scientists, you know, 19:10 your tax dollars at work, they studied the flies, 19:13 you know, and they noticed 19:15 that they take these slow-motion pictures... 19:18 you know, lots of pictures all at once, 19:21 and the fly... when it goes up, it shies away from where the 19:26 fly swatter is coming down, in fact, 19:30 I think... even some of them... 19:32 they come up and they go backwards 19:34 and so, if you hit where they're sitting, 19:39 you just missed them 19:40 because they're not there anymore, 19:42 they have those eyes that see a bunch of stuff, 19:45 you know, so, actually what you have to do 19:47 if you want to kill flies, is, you have to aim behind them, 19:52 so you aim... just behind them 19:55 and you get them just about every time. 19:57 Now, I'm... my guess is that means here at 3ABN 20:02 there's going to be a lot of... more dead flies happening. 20:06 Well, it was kind of amazing when you started telling 20:08 that was my strategy 20:09 because I'd heard that some place. Tom: Yeah. 20:11 You can go back further than that 20:13 and I don't know how this all started 20:15 and, of course, we grew up on a farm 20:16 and they had no air conditioners back then, 20:19 and there are flies everywhere. 20:21 Flies everywhere. 20:22 And they took cotton balls and put it on the screen doors 20:26 and if somebody knows the Science behind this, 20:31 I'd like to hear it, 20:33 but those cotton balls were supposed to keep the flies away 20:36 well I guarantee it didn't work, 20:38 you know what I mean, 20:40 and then I'd heard later on in life 20:43 after I had passed the torch of "fly swatter" 20:45 to someone else, you know, 20:47 is that... it did kind of back up a little bit. 20:50 And now so, this is my point, the reference point is different 20:53 the reference point, you know, 20:55 the old reference point was to shoot where the fly was 20:58 and you will get it, you know, the new reference point is 21:00 "shoot behind him and you'll get it," 21:02 so the old reference point for the home 21:04 was my selfish desires, 21:06 the new reference point for the home 21:09 is to be like Jesus and to have His desires. 21:12 Remember, again we said, 21:13 "This is only possible 21:14 by the Holy Spirit living in our lives. " 21:16 This is a very practical concept 21:19 of what it means to be a Christian. 21:22 Sometimes people get this idea of sort of an ethereal... 21:24 "Oh, we just believe the truth, 21:26 you know, and all these truths about... " 21:27 No, you know what? 21:29 The truths of the Bible are very practical. 21:31 Are you treating people in your home in a loving manner? 21:36 If we were to ask the people in your home, 21:39 "Is this person acting like Jesus?" 21:42 No... 21:44 and what they said, and if they're not, 21:45 if they said, "Well... sometimes... " 21:48 but if they say, "Well, no not really... " 21:51 that's a wake-up call, I need to be cognizant. 21:53 There was one time a story about a... 21:57 I think it was a Mennonite Preacher 22:00 and another Preacher, 22:02 an Evangelical Preacher had moved into town 22:06 and he came and he met the Mennonite Preacher 22:09 and he asked him if he'd been born again. 22:10 Okay... he asked him if he had been born again, 22:14 I kind of assumed that the pastor would be born again, 22:17 but this guy asked him if he had been born again 22:19 and the Mennonite guy said to him, 22:21 "Well, you're asking the wrong man," 22:23 he said, "I can give you some names of the people 22:28 in my church or in my town 22:29 that I've had disputes with 22:31 that I've need to make things right with 22:33 and I'll give you the names of these people 22:35 that I've had disputes with and you can go ask them 22:37 if I've been born again. " 22:38 See, that's really more of a test 22:41 than my own testimony about it, what did my family say? 22:45 Did they say, "Oh, he's a loving person?" 22:47 Do the people I work with in my office... 22:50 do they recognize me as that kind of a person 22:52 or are they glad to see me leave? 22:54 Of course, he's out of town for... 22:57 He's out of town, okay, 22:58 but we'd better press on here to verse 26 and 27. 23:01 Let's read those again. 23:02 Okay, 26 and 27, "that he might sanctify and 23:07 cleanse her with the washing of water by the word 23:10 and that He might present her to Himself, 23:13 a glorious church not having spot or wrinkle 23:16 or any such thing, 23:17 but that she should be holy and without blemish. " 23:20 All right, now, Paul again makes a comparison to the church here 23:26 okay, he launches off in fact into the topic 23:30 almost to the point that people say, 23:32 "Awww... Paul, are you... 23:34 are you still talking about the home 23:37 or are you talking about the church?" 23:40 He talks about how Jesus made the sacrifice that He did, 23:44 why He did that, 23:45 the purpose was... to redeem people. 23:48 To produce in their lives a holy and blameless character. 23:52 The washing of water, is a reference to baptism, 23:55 they would have the baptismal, we say today, 23:58 "I baptize you in the name of the Father, 24:00 the Son and the Holy Spirit" 24:01 washing of water by the Word, the washing of water... 24:04 at the same time that the statement is made, 24:07 the goal of baptism and Christian teaching 24:10 is a sanctified, holy life, that you live like Jesus 24:15 and this really links in to Paul's Ecclesiology, 24:20 this whole teaching about the church 24:21 which runs through the book of Ephesians. 24:24 He's got a lot to say about the church 24:26 and he doesn't forget to talk about it 24:28 when he's talking about the Christian home, 24:29 he's still talking about the Christian home, 24:30 but he places a lot of things in here about the church 24:35 so, I'd like to just review briefly, 24:37 we've only got a couple of minutes left 24:38 but I'd like to review briefly just his teaching about 24:44 the church in Ephesians 1 verse 22, 24:47 he says that Christ is the Head of the church, 24:51 that God gave Him this role, 24:53 Christ is the Head of the Church. 24:55 In chapter 3 verses 10 and 21, he says, 24:58 "The Church is where God reveals wisdom to cosmic powers 25:02 His glory is revealed in the church to all generations. " 25:05 Now that's a pretty striking statement 25:07 because a lot of people think 25:09 the church is pretty much nothing. 25:10 They think it has nothing to do with anything important. 25:14 You know what? That's not true. 25:16 It is in the church 25:19 where God reveals wisdom to cosmic powers, 25:21 in 5:23, he says the church is the body of Christ 25:25 and Christ is the church's Savior 25:27 and in our passage right here in verses 24 to 29, 25:30 he says, the church is to be subject to Christ 25:34 and is nourished and cherished by Him. 25:36 So there's a process the church goes through 25:40 in becoming holy, it's an initial washing 25:44 in the waters of baptism 25:45 and then he sets aside the church... 25:47 he sets aside for Christ, 25:49 but then He purifies the church and perfects it, 25:52 so when you think of this in terms of a Christian home 25:55 kind of a concept, you say to yourself, 25:58 Well, this role of Christ cleansing the church, 26:03 does it mean that the husband is supposed to correct his wife, 26:07 you know, make her do this 26:08 or make her do that, 26:10 but he is to think of his role in terms of, 26:13 "How can I bless her, 26:14 how can I help her to be happier? 26:17 how can I help her to be 26:19 the better Christian that she wants to be?" 26:21 It's not a controlling kind of, "I'm going to direct you... " 26:24 it's a self-sacrificing kind of love 26:27 like Jesus made for the church. 26:29 Yes, servanthood to each other. 26:31 Right, service to each other and taking care of each other 26:36 so, even as he digresses and talks about the sacrifice 26:41 that Christ made for the church, 26:44 he's still talking about Christian marriage, 26:46 he's still talking about the Christian home, 26:48 and you know, you could also say 26:51 he's talking about Christian Leadership. 26:53 We think about Leaders in the church 26:55 and too many times, 26:57 well, I don't know about "in the church" 27:00 I think most people in the church, 27:02 they want to follow Jesus, that want to do what's right, 27:04 sometimes we get examples... 27:05 At least they know the terminology 27:07 to use and they are there because 27:08 they're looking for something better. 27:10 Yeah, people out in the world, 27:11 they're about the power, 27:13 or about getting it for themselves, 27:14 but in the church, it's different, 27:15 so, this kind of Leader shift 27:17 in the home, shown in the home 27:20 where there is self-sacrifice made... is not hard to follow. 27:24 Yeah... 27:25 Yeah... you just make it so practical and so... so simple, 27:30 I appreciate this very much. 27:32 We thank you for spending this time with us, 27:36 we do hope that you've gained something from it, 27:40 we look forward to the next teaching 27:42 in the meantime, 27:43 we've learned more about the instructions to husbands. 27:46 God bless you. |
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