Participants: Margot Marshall (Host), Dr. John Clark, Jenifer Skues
Series Code: HL
Program Code: HL000008A
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00:14 Welcome to "Healthy Living"
00:16 I'm your host Margot Marshall. 00:19 It's no fun being sick, having to fight off 00:21 viruses and infections, is it? 00:23 Stay tuned to discover things that strengthen our 00:26 immune system and things that weaken it. 01:03 With me in the studio is Jenifer Skues, a health psychologist, 01:07 and Dr. John Clark. 01:09 Welcome Jenifer and welcome John... thank you! 01:11 So good to have you on the program. 01:13 We've appreciated all you've done and now we're 01:15 talking about the immune system, 01:17 very, very important to keep us well. It is. 01:21 So John, what would you like to start off 01:23 with telling us about the immune system? 01:25 You know, when I was in high school, I had a teacher 01:30 who was like the dorm manager and he decided 01:35 he was going to go on a diet that was mostly 01:39 fresh fruits and vegetables. 01:41 I mean, this guy was eating basically raw food. 01:46 Now before this, he had been very sickly. 01:49 He'd have a cold every winter or the flu; 01:52 He'd have a lot of problems with congestion, 01:56 postnasal drip - he was a sickly kid. 01:59 When he changed and went to a total raw food diet, 02:04 his symptoms all went away! 02:07 He quit having colds and flues. Wow! 02:10 Well, I called him and talked to him not long ago and I said, 02:15 "How ya doing?" He said, "Well I'm doing great." 02:17 I said, "Are you still on like that raw food diet?" 02:19 And he said, "I sure am." 02:21 I said, "How is that going?" 02:22 And he said, "Well in 25 years, I've never missed a day 02:26 of work due to being sick; I've never had a cold; 02:29 I've never had a flu." 02:31 And it's interesting, the studies from the literature, 02:34 medical journals show that just such a diet does the BEST 02:38 at making your immune system much stronger! 02:43 Would you be suggesting a totally raw diet 02:46 or would you be suggesting a certain amount of raw? 02:49 What would you be saying to that? 02:51 He went totally raw and I don't suggest a totally raw, 02:55 but I am saying that if you ate a lot more 02:57 fresh fruits and vegetables, you could come closer 02:59 to his record of being free from disease. Yes, yes. 03:03 And that's really great; Jeni, what do you think about it? 03:05 Well he had a good attitude too. Yes. 03:07 And this is where one of the biggest impacts 03:09 on the immune system is to do with stress. Oh. 03:12 Alright and an 8-day course there's a lot of inflammation 03:14 in the brain and the body and when we have prolonged 03:17 stress, that inflammation doesn't come down, 03:20 so that will affect the whole system and every part 03:23 of our body is impacted by stress. Yes. 03:26 So it's important that we practice stress management 03:29 and this is where the person you're talking about 03:31 sounds like he was enjoying his lifestyle; 03:33 he was relaxed; he loved his work and that 03:37 adds in to the dietary principles. 03:40 He was a very interesting guy in that, you know, 03:43 here we are high school students and you can imagine 03:46 how we teased him! 03:48 We would say, "Oh here comes the gopher, can we go down 03:51 and get you some greens or 03:53 some oleanders - which are sort of poisonous. 03:55 Sort of poisonous - yes. 03:57 And he would just throw it right back at us. 03:59 He was a good sport. 04:02 He had a good sense of humor, 04:03 another thing that helps immunity. 04:05 And let me tell you, this school had a hay farm 04:09 where we baled hay into big bales of hay 04:12 like 60 pound bales and see that would be like 30 kilos 04:15 or 25 kilos and we would take these bales of hay 04:19 and throw them up on the back of a big flatbed truck. 04:23 Well nobody could throw a bale higher than he could! Wow! 04:27 And he was on this raw food diet and we're like, "Wow," 04:30 where did he get all that energy?" 04:32 You get good energy from good food. 04:34 Well now you know that. Now we know that. 04:38 And so the immune system is obviously a vital part 04:42 of staying alive, isn't it? Absolutely! 04:47 It's not just nice to have it going well but if we didn't 04:51 have an immune system... We wouldn't survive. 04:55 If you don't have an immune system functioning, 04:57 even antibiotics can't save you. 04:59 There's a classic story of a gentleman called, "Bubble Boy." 05:04 Oh yes! I think it was as a movie. 05:07 There's a movie out on it. 05:08 And this gentleman was born with no immune system. 05:11 They knew he was going to be born with no immune system 05:14 because his brother had the same problem - genetic. 05:18 And so they had him born in a sterile environment; put him in 05:23 to the bubble which was a big plastic incubator and kept 05:27 all disease out of there and he grew up in this bubble. 05:30 NASA, the space organization in the United States, 05:34 got involved and made him a spacesuit so he could 05:36 go outside, but finally they decided to try a stem cell 05:41 transplant and it didn't work and he passed away. 05:45 But all to illustrate, if you don't have an immune system, 05:48 there's big troubles! 05:50 And so when you look at what the immune system does, 05:53 it makes sure that no enemy gets at you! That's right. 05:57 It's our fighting force, it's the army in our system, 06:00 isn't it - that protects us. 06:01 And this keeps you from getting the disease 06:05 from viruses, bacteria and other pathogens. 06:09 And we're battling those all the time. All the time! 06:12 There wouldn't be a time, I suppose (Never) 06:15 that we're not battling something, 06:17 and we don't know about that or sometimes we do, 06:20 because we, you know, come down sick. 06:23 But at other times, we wouldn't realize just how busy 06:26 our immune system is that's doing all that. 06:28 See when your immune system is healthy, you don't feel 06:31 what the bacteria is or what's going into your system 06:34 because it's busy fighting it and removing it. Yes. 06:36 So it's only if you're unhealthy that's when there's a problem. 06:39 And it's interesting in research now, they've done a lot of 06:42 of research on why these children are growing up 06:44 like the boy in the bubble because they're finding 06:46 now children's immune systems are not as 06:49 good at times and they found that what parents are doing is 06:53 putting them into a sterile environment. 06:54 Now when I was growing up, we'd be outside - we'd eat 06:57 snails and dirt! OHH! Laughter! 06:58 That's what kids do, things that they ingest 07:03 it's quite remarkable. 07:05 And that challenges the immune system to function. Okay. 07:09 And what's happening is they've got all these sterile wipes, 07:11 and they wipe everything, all the benches get cleaned, 07:14 and the children - "Oh don't play in the dirt," 07:16 and they're not doing things that actually help 07:19 the immune system to grow. 07:20 It's like a muscle - it needs to be strengthened. Okay. 07:23 Which is interesting, isn't it? 07:25 Well it is interesting! 07:26 I'm not telling you to send your kids out to eat snails. 07:28 That's alright, they're a bit too big to do that now. 07:31 But I've heard two schools of thought on that, 07:33 and it's a bit of a balancing thing isn't it? It is. 07:37 You know if the child gets an infection, 07:41 then you're going to try and treat it. Yes. 07:43 But the child won't get the infection if their immune 07:46 system is working really well. 07:47 And that's that principle you talked about in the story. 07:51 Some of the information we get on the immune system 07:54 comes from when we have had pandemics. 07:57 One of the most classic and the biggest one was the 1918 08:01 Spanish influenza! Yes. 08:02 And I got most of my statistics from America, but they had a 08:06 30% attack rate - meaning 30% of people would come 08:10 down with it but that means 70% DID NOT! (get it) 08:15 So how do you make sure that you are in the 70% 08:19 instead of the 30%? 08:21 I mean this is an important odds to look at here. 08:24 And so boosting the immune system so that when 08:27 anything like that infectious disease, be it SARS, 08:30 be it Ebola, be it bird flu, whatever comes around, 08:34 you are prepared. 08:36 What else would help to strengthen the immune system? 08:39 What would you say? 08:41 One thing that's very helpful is to get your rest. 08:44 Interesting study looking at mice - they took mice, 08:48 they put them in two groups. 08:51 Both groups got vaccinated and then they deprived 08:56 one group of sleep one night for 7 hours - that was it. 09:00 And then they gave them a flu virus - the ones that had been 09:04 vaccinated but had lost their sleep for one night 09:08 caught the flu as though they'd never been vaccinated. 09:11 Isn't that interesting! That's very impressive! 09:15 And sadly, these days I think sleep deprivation 09:21 is just rampant because since the electric light 09:25 came in - that was the beginning of it but now with 09:27 all these electrical devices and 24/7 television and a lot of 09:33 shops being opened 24/7, life just goes on. 09:37 It used to be that go to bed when the sun went down 09:41 and so on, but not anymore. 09:43 We had a blackout here a few weeks ago and it was just 09:46 amazing the difference it made to people - they started 09:49 talking to each other and things like that, 09:51 and getting more sleep. 09:53 But, yes, sleep deprivation is quite a significant thing 09:57 so it's something to be aware of isn't it? 09:59 There's the foods, the fresh foods and then we've 10:02 got this sleep deprivation, what else might? 10:06 Well I was going to say, the majority of illnesses 10:09 that I see like mental emotional health problems, 10:12 sleep deprivation is a major part of it and they are either 10:15 taking drugs or not sleeping and over a period of time 10:19 their immune function goes down so much, they end up 10:22 getting very, very sick because 10:24 they're not getting enough sleep. 10:26 And we're talking about people who go for sometimes years 10:30 with insomnia. Yes. 10:31 So you can see our system can be robust to a point, 10:34 but there's a point where it's worn down 10:36 and insomnia is a stress factor, so there's 10:39 a lot of things not happening. 10:41 Yes, so all of these things impact on each other. Yes. 10:43 Sleep causes stress, stress causes loss of sleep, 10:48 and they do it both ways. 10:49 It's like a vicious cycle when you look at it. Yes. 10:52 But see, stress is pervasive and there are so 10:55 many things that are stressful in life, 10:57 but it's the person who learns how to deal with the stress 11:01 and stay focused in the present and solve the problem or, 11:04 you know, maybe fix whatever the problem is if they can 11:07 or get support to deal with it, are the ones who will be 11:11 healthier than the ones who are going to worry about 11:12 it, think about it, go over it and that's where 11:15 the mind comes into play then - it's important. 11:18 You mentioned that "being in the present," 11:20 now you mentioned that in another program, 11:22 just tell us about that. 11:23 We only have the present moment but our brain 11:27 to be healthy and in balance and that's we're talking about 11:29 mentally-emotionally we need to keep the whole brain 11:33 which is your neocortex, left-right brain 11:35 focused in the present moment and if you look at how 11:39 often you do that or don't do that during the day, 11:42 and a lot of people spend the majority of their time 11:44 either dwelling on the past or fearing the future. 11:47 So this is where, to alleviate stress, I teach people 11:51 how to, what we call, be mindful and put your mind 11:54 in the present. Okay. 11:55 And that's like body awareness, recognizing emotions that come 11:59 up, for example - I was just talking to John before 12:03 and apparently 5 minutes of anger will impact 12:06 the immune system negatively for 5 hours. Five minutes? 12:10 Five minutes of anger! Anger is the most volatile 12:12 emotion we have, so every time we have that little 12:16 anger spat, we're actually impacting the immune system 12:19 for a long period of time. Goodness! 12:21 Now, amazing isn't it? Yes, it is! 12:25 And one of the antidotes to stress is laughter. Right! 12:30 And one of the best ones is the belly laugh. Yes? 12:33 I've done studies on that and found that people 12:35 who have a 10-minute belly laugh a day - their whole 12:37 system including immunity, is much healthier, 12:41 and it starts in 15 muscles in the stomach and radiates 12:45 through the whole body and it's equal to a 20-minute 12:48 aerobic workout if we have a good belly laugh. 12:51 Oh wow, I think we should just do one right now! 12:53 Laughter! I'd like to! 12:55 You know, "Norman Cousins," healed himself 12:58 through laughter, didn't he? 12:59 Are you aware of that one? 13:01 He was dying, he was really, really sick and he was a 13:05 doctornottrue, so he just thought, "Well, that was the only 13:09 thing he could think of to do and he got himself 13:13 the funny DVDs and things like that and he was 13:16 laughing so much in the hospital, they asked him 13:18 to leave - so he went to a hotel and continued and he got well. 13:23 So there's many things, many things - our mood, 13:28 what's going on in our mind. 13:29 We've noticed that in many instances, the stress and the 13:32 sadness and the happiness, they impact hugely on the body 13:35 and it works both ways. 13:37 The body impacts on the mind. 13:38 You're focused in the present when you're laughing, you see. 13:42 And it's the type of laughter, it's not laughing at someone, 13:45 it's laughing with people or at yourself 13:47 or at something that happened. 13:48 I've got plenty of... when it 13:49 comes to that with myself. 13:51 We have to see ourselves with humor and that will 13:54 help to keep the immune system healthy. Yes. 13:56 So we're looking at lots of good things we can do 13:59 in the present that will keep us that way. 14:02 And what we eat is "present focus." 14:04 There we go! Boy, doesn't that make you hungry! 14:08 So what shall we eat? 14:09 That's about chewing your food, isn't it? Chew it well. 14:11 And enjoying - using the five senses to enjoy 14:14 what you eat and the visual image of the food 14:17 and there's a lot to do to strengthen the whole system. 14:21 And preferably eating with people because 14:24 that social aspect makes it so nice and you find that out, 14:29 you know, people who live alone and they come out 14:31 and they say, "Oh, it's so nice not to eat alone." 14:34 And that's a stress factor. 14:36 It's all part of what happens. 14:38 And when you look at the immune system, 14:40 the cells that are the most active in fighting like a viral 14:44 illness are your natural killer cells. 14:47 And if you're going to eat something that will wipe out 14:49 your natural killer cells, the number one would be 14:52 eating a high fat diet, particularly eating cholesterol. 14:57 It cuts the number of natural killer cells down 15:00 and shuts their function down to one-fourth 15:03 of normal function level. 15:05 Well stress is the other factor that impacts 15:08 these killer cells. 15:09 Knocks them out as well, that's right. 15:11 Yes it does, so you've got a double whammy there. 15:13 So if you're on a bad diet, you're getting depressed 15:15 and stressed, you're in big trouble, you're a 15:19 sitting duck for the bird flu. 15:21 That's right... if you're there with the birds. 15:23 Was that meant to be a pun, "You're a sitting duck 15:26 for the bird flu?" Laughter. 15:30 And it's just interesting how many things impact us 15:34 and the directions they come from and that's why 15:36 in this program, we like to focus on the mental, and the 15:39 physical and the spiritual, and the social aspects. 15:41 We haven't actually talked about the spiritual input. 15:43 Jeni, did you have something to say on that? 15:46 There are a lot of good studies to show that people 15:48 who have a practicing faith, prayer and faith, 15:51 and it's not necessarily about going to a church, 15:54 it's about your belief and your faith in God and you 15:57 work with that - and that's a "present moment" thing. 15:59 You see, so it keeps people focused in the present. 16:02 Have a much healthier overall system but certainly 16:05 a healthier immune system and can live up to 6-7 years longer 16:09 because of their faith and this is well-documented, 16:13 it's not just a hearsay. 16:15 No, no, they can perhaps pick that up on the fact sheets 16:18 if they want to check that out and we'll talk about 16:21 that later in the program. 16:23 Another aspect to a good immune system and good health 16:27 is living a life where you are helping other people. Yes. 16:32 We call it "benevolence," volunteering. 16:35 People who volunteer for their community have 60% less 16:39 disease than those who end up just living for themselves. 16:44 That's profound! 16:45 Did you have a look at the focus when your 16:47 helping someone? Where are you focused 16:49 in the present but you're focused away from yourself. 16:52 Stress is when we are self-focused and they find 16:55 that when people focus out of themselves and help others, 16:58 their stress levels go right down. 17:01 So you were just explaining how this actually works. 17:03 You told us it happens and now you're telling us 17:06 how it actually works because we're outwardly focused 17:09 and our mind is not going... 17:10 And our stress levels come down. Come down! 17:12 And it's a good reason to go and help other people. Yes! 17:15 It keeps me healthy and I get paid! 17:17 You get paid - alright. 17:18 Like John! Okay, yeah. 17:21 And this sort of gets us into a thing we've talked about 17:25 on another program - sugar. 17:27 When a person takes 12 teaspoons of sugar, 17:30 about the amount of sugar that would be in one soda, 17:33 it decreases the immune system by 60%. Wow. 17:36 In other words, the white cell that supposed to gobble up 17:39 a bad bacteria, will instead of gobbling up 14 bacteria, 17:44 will only gobble up 5.5. Wow. 17:48 And then if you got 24 teaspoons of sugar, 17:51 and it cuts down the immune system so that a white cell 17:54 will only gobble up 1 bacteria in the same amount of time 17:57 it would have normally done 14. 17:59 So the amount of sugar... and I don't know the statistics 18:02 on Australia for sugar consumption, 18:05 but in America, the average American is consuming 18:08 about 44 teaspoons of sugar per day. 18:11 It used to be about 35 here, but they're older statistics, 18:14 so it would probably be on par now particularly with, 18:17 you know and you put junk food and added sugars and 18:19 all sorts of things and people drinking 18:21 the soda drinks and that. 18:23 And that's a good point... people don't always realize 18:26 where their sugar is coming from. No, no. 18:27 It's hidden sugars. Hidden sugars! 18:29 If we said a soda would have 12 teaspoons of sugar 18:33 for your average soda, but did you know if you 18:35 eat cornflakes in milk for breakfast, 18:39 it will be about 16 teaspoons of sugar in your bloodstream 18:42 even though they may not have sugar on the label because 18:45 the carbohydrate is so refined by the way they 18:48 cook it, that you end up with a high sugar 18:51 load in your bloodstream. 18:52 Well sweet biscuits is about 7, one little sweet biscuit. 18:56 There are lots and lots of ways that it just... 18:59 and who would ever think that there would be, 19:01 is it 12 teaspoons in a can of we call it "soft drink" 19:05 in this country, but just that so people know. 19:09 Oh yeah, we do have soda as well. 19:10 Well one of the health principles I've practiced 19:12 with my clients is getting them to start reading labels 19:14 when they go shopping - even if they just do one product 19:18 every time they shop or if they can do more. 19:21 And they are often shocked at what they find they're eating. 19:24 I was doing a supermarket tour once with some school 19:27 children and this little boy, he was just about 10, 19:31 and that's as young as we usually take them on a tour, 19:33 and we were looking at the labels and saying how much 19:36 sugar was inside - I just don't remember what the product 19:39 was now, but it wasn't in the confectionary aisle 19:41 I do know that and he was so shocked. 19:44 He said, "I'm going to be telling my mother about this." 19:48 Laughter... What a good idea! Yes! 19:52 What a good idea! 19:53 Yeah, just a dear little kid. 19:57 And people get tricked by this, for example... 19:59 In West Virginia, in America, there got to be a big lobby 20:04 going that they should take the soda machines 20:06 or pop machines - what do you call it, soft drink machines 20:09 out of the schools and put in juice machines... and they did! 20:15 And somebody came and looked at the quantity of sugar 20:19 in the juices and they compared three juices to the top soda 20:22 and all the juices had more sugar than... 20:25 Because there's sugar in the juice and added sugars usually. 20:29 And that's been a refined thing too because, you know, 20:34 the fruit has been extracted out and the fiber is gone 20:38 and so it's different from having it 20:40 right there in the fruit when you do that to it. 20:44 So those sugars which are eaten in the whole fruit, 20:47 say an apple or something, is missing all of that fiber 20:51 and all that chewing and everything. 20:52 So those sugars aren't as good for you when they've been 20:55 extracted and pulled out. That's correct. 20:58 Because when you're looking at children, immunity 21:01 starts at a very young age, and we were talking about 21:03 this before, so what are your thoughts on that? 21:06 Yeah, that's right! You know, a lot of people 21:07 have their child and then they go look down to the 21:09 supermarket where they get all their food 21:11 for something for the child. 21:13 And that's baby formula which is hugely refined and instead of 21:20 using the best food for the baby and the best food 21:22 for the baby is mother's milk. 21:25 And studies show that if you breastfeed a baby 21:28 for 2 years, their whole life they have a better 21:31 immune system; their whole life they have less diseases; 21:33 they're more intelligent, a lot of benefits! 21:36 I just noticed on the "World Health Organization" website 21:39 just a day or so ago... 2 years, like you just said, 21:44 that's what they recommend. 21:45 Obviously you introduce suitable foods at 6 months, 21:48 but it should be exclusively breastfed for 6 months 21:52 and then continue for 2 years. 21:55 And that's something that would be such a gift, I mean... 21:58 we spend a fortune on presents for children and toys, 22:02 and things like that, but what a gift to give them, you know, 22:05 to strengthen their immune system when you can. 22:08 And I know some mothers are not able to do that, 22:13 I know the fathers can't, but... laughter. 22:19 Was that a sexist statement? Laughter. 22:22 I hope not, oh dear! 22:26 No but... and I know some people can't, but if you can 22:31 it's just such an incredible gift for their whole life. 22:35 You know, toys wear out, but what a gift. 22:37 And it's that first few days of feeding, breastfeeding, 22:41 once the child is born, I think is it 5 days? 22:43 There's a period of time that their having as a colostrum 22:46 where that builds the immune system and if the child 22:49 doesn't have that, that's when the immunity is going is 22:53 going to struggle. 22:54 Yes and even if they could do that much, 22:56 like any amount, is going to be better than nothing at all. 23:00 But all of these things we talk about that are going to be 23:04 helpful - they obviously involve change and that can be 23:08 a bit of a challenge and we always just 23:09 have a little mention of that. 23:10 I came across this gorgeous quote, it's a Chinese proverb, 23:14 and it said, "When the winds of change blow, some people 23:18 build walls and others build windmills," and I love that! 23:23 I really think that's tremendous and so I guess 23:25 there's some people out there thinking maybe that you 23:28 already got some walls going up or maybe you're thinking, 23:31 "Yes! Yes, I'm going to try that, I'm going to do more." 23:35 And I hope that you are because it's a good opportunity 23:39 to be motivated to do that. 23:42 Yes it is and this is where change... again that's what I 23:45 do, I help people bring about change. Yes! 23:47 And that's huge because I think change is something we usually 23:52 need help with. 23:54 And some people resist it more than others. 23:56 They do and that's part of the personality. 23:58 That's part of the personality. 24:00 But I encourage people if they're struggling to change, 24:02 to get help, whether it be professional or read a book, 24:05 or find information. 24:07 Or all of the above because it is not an easy thing to do. 24:12 We can be very motivated at a certain time and then that 24:15 can just go down and that's where the support 24:17 needs to come in. Yeah, I totally agree. 24:20 And change is important, we have the saying that, 24:24 "Craziness is doing the same thing over and over again, 24:29 and expecting different results!" That's right! 24:32 Yeah, and so change is inevitable. 24:34 People who don't change or can't change or really 24:37 won't change because it is a choice, have much higher 24:39 stress levels than people who can go with the flow 24:42 or initiate change more easily. 24:45 So people who are really stuck where they are, 24:48 are you saying that's a stressful thing? 24:49 Yeah, they have a lot of adrenalin, a lot of cortisol 24:51 because they're fighting change 24:53 and they're very threatened by change and it's usually 24:55 underpinned by their insecurity 24:57 which often starts at a very early age, 24:59 so that's where, again, I help people to start to feel 25:02 secure that they can face change 25:04 and it's not such a threat to them. 25:05 Oh I wouldn't have actually realized that. 25:07 I thought people who stayed put, they're not changing 25:09 so they are not going through the stress but you say they are. 25:12 It's actually worse. That's interesting. 25:13 It is, isn't it? That's interesting. 25:15 I'll be more sympathetic to someone 25:16 I know who is very stuck, no change, no change 25:24 because they're going through more stress than 25:28 maybe people who... 25:30 Well they are, they're going through a lot of stress 25:31 at that point of time. 25:34 And people need to learn that - they're stuck in one 25:38 mode because of what's happened to them, 25:39 and, you know, they fear change. 25:41 And they must maintain the status quo, that seems to 25:45 be their main goal in life. 25:48 And while they're remaining fixed and not changing, 25:51 there is nothing else that isn't changing. 25:54 That's right. Yeah, everything changes, 25:56 our life changes constantly and we have to learn to 25:58 deal with that. 26:00 Now one change that people could make is "eat an apple a day." 26:04 Yes! Yes! And that's not good for your business though! 26:08 Like keeping the doctor away! 26:13 And studies of people who eat an apple a day 26:15 show they do get fewer lung diseases, their lungs work 26:18 better for breathing, they actually breathe an extra 26:22 150 milliliters of air with every breath and it cuts down 26:26 on the number of viruses that they get. 26:29 How much extra air? 26:30 One-hundred and fifty (150) milliliters 26:31 of air with every breath. 26:33 So we worked out that was just over a half a cup. 26:36 That's a lot of more volume isn't it? 26:41 Just because you're eating an apple a day... 26:43 did you say? An apple a day! 26:45 And then you have more oxygen to the brain, more capacity... 26:49 Nutrients. Yes and they're valuable. 26:51 They're finding out more and more now about apples 26:54 scientifically, and it really is 26:56 "An apple a day keeps the doctor away." 26:57 I wonder how they knew it right back then? 26:59 I wonder how because that's such an old saying, 27:02 "An apple a day keeps the doctor away." And it's true! 27:04 And they're really finding out more and more 27:06 that there is a tremendous amount of truth in that. 27:09 And with the immune system, what we're looking at 27:11 is that it increases the number of natural killer cells. Okay. 27:14 And it's got phytochemicals like quercetin that actually 27:18 work as virus suppressors so they don't 27:24 multiply so much in the cells. 27:26 That's interesting, isn't it? Yeah, excellent. 27:30 Well we've covered some really good things today; 27:32 things that work for us and then there are things 27:35 that work against us. Yes. 27:37 So it would be really good if we could encourage 27:40 our viewing audience and our listeners to (embrace change) 27:47 take on something! Yes, embrace change, 27:48 and think of at least one thing 27:50 that would actually work for them. 27:52 And so we'll wrap up our program today, 27:55 and if you'd like a fact sheet of what we've talked about 27:57 or you'd like to watch our programs on demand, 28:00 visit our website: 3abnaustralia.org.au 28:06 and then you just click on the watch button. 28:09 And John and Jenifer are happy to answer your 28:12 questions personally - we've probably haven't covered 28:15 everything you'd like to know or there might be another 28:17 thing, you know, on another topic, so you can email them at: 28:21 healthyliving@3abnaustralia.org .au 28:25 and we look forward to having you join us next time 28:27 on "Healthy Living" because we have many topics 28:30 to discuss and we hope that will be very helpful to you. |
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