Participants: Margot Marshall (Host), Dr. John Clark, Jenifer Skues
Series Code: HL
Program Code: HL000004A
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00:15 Welcome to "Healthy Living!"
00:16 I'm your host Margot Marshall. 00:18 As we get older, is it inevitable to get osteoporosis, 00:23 porous, fragile bones that break easily? 00:27 Or can we make them stronger? 00:29 Stay tuned for the answer. 01:07 With me in the studio today, I have Dr. John Clark, 01:10 and Jenifer Skues who is a health psychologist. 01:13 Welcome Jenifer (thank you), 01:15 and welcome John (thank you), to the program. 01:17 We're looking forward to what you can tell us about 01:19 this disease which is something we really don't want to get, 01:22 and if you can tell us how that happens, 01:24 that would be really good! 01:26 And John, you have a story about someone who did have 01:30 really bad osteoporosis and was 01:32 able to turn that disease around. 01:35 We're very keen to hear how she did that. 01:38 Yes, and osteoporosis is a serious problem... 01:42 You might think... "Hmm, well I've got thin bones." 01:44 But one-third of patients who 01:47 break a hip, die during the following year. 01:51 That's a high death rate for breaking 01:53 a hip from osteoporosis. 01:55 You wouldn't imagine that, would you, from a broken bone? 01:58 No, just from a broken bone and it's sort of like the bones are 02:01 a barometer for the health of the whole body. Ohh. 02:05 If your bones are poor, maybe your other health is poor, 02:07 and you break a bone and you lay in bed - and laying in bed 02:10 is not good! 02:12 You start having things like heart disease, heart attacks, 02:16 congestive heart failure, lung disease, blood clots. 02:20 All kinds of things can happen 02:21 if you're laying in bed from a broken bone. 02:25 So I was out on tour in the United States; 02:28 I used to tour in the United States doing lectures on health, 02:30 how people could recover from these diseases, 02:33 and a lady came to my osteoporosis lecture who was 02:37 limping and I said, "Well why are you limping?" 02:41 She said, "Well 4 weeks ago I was in a bad accident, 02:45 and I broke my hip." 02:48 And then she told me all about her bones which was 02:50 fascinating to me. 02:52 When she was 25, she was working for the sheriff's 02:55 department - that's like a police department. Um hm. 02:58 And it was a very active job, but she was having bone pain 03:03 at night. 03:04 So she went to her primary doctor and he checked 03:08 her over and then he scanned her bones and discovered 03:11 she had eggshell-thin bones. 03:15 That's sounds really advanced osteoporosis. 03:19 The total foundation was structurally not sound. 03:23 She was about to fall apart! Laughing... 03:25 Why do we laugh? 03:30 But we laugh because we know there's a fix here coming up, 03:33 and she was wondering why she had this bone pain. 03:38 Well her bones were so thin that they were 03:40 probably microfracturing. Ohh. Wow. 03:42 Just hurting! 03:43 And so the doctor offered to give her some drugs 03:47 that he felt would be the answer to her thin bones, 03:51 and she thought, "You know, here I am only 25, 03:54 most older people are on drugs, but most younger people aren't, 03:58 and I'm not really ready to start taking drugs, 04:01 and so I'd like to go home and just, you know, 04:04 take care of this myself." 04:05 And so she turned down the drug, went home, 04:08 but she sort of had an inkling in her mind 04:11 what she should do. Okay. 04:12 You know, a lot of people realize there is a better way, 04:15 and most people know that there's a healthier way 04:18 than what they're involved in. 04:20 Isn't that interesting? Yes. 04:22 It's almost like inherently we know that there's 04:25 better ways of doing things. 04:27 We have insight, we just don't always act on it. 04:29 Yeah, why is that? 04:32 Part of it is, I think the way we're conditioned, 04:34 habitual, we don't trust ourselves, so we don't 04:37 really listen to ourselves and we discount things 04:41 even though we know what the reality is. 04:44 And maybe our tastes drive us to other theories? 04:48 Aww, do you really think so? Laughter. 04:50 Do you think that might sometimes play a role? 04:52 Aww yes, I think you might be right. 04:54 We develop an appetite for something that 04:56 may not be on the healthiest list. 04:59 Well, she went home and she was a Christian, she prayed. 05:03 She said, "Lord, I know You said in the Bible, 05:06 in Exodus 15:26, that "If thou will diligently hearken 05:11 unto the voice of the Lord thy God and do that which is 05:13 right in His sight, that He will put none of these diseases 05:17 upon you which He has brought upon the Egyptians, 05:20 but that He is your God and He will heal you." 05:24 And it's interesting that the Egyptians did have osteoporosis. 05:27 Really? Among other things, yeah. 05:30 And so she said, "Lord, I'm going to switch to a total 05:34 plant-based vegetarian diet like what You put Adam on." 05:38 We're talking fresh fruits, fresh vegetables, 05:41 nuts and seeds and she promised to do that if the Lord would 05:45 fulfill His promise to heal her disease. 05:48 And so, she said, within two weeks the bone pain 05:53 she had had was totally gone! 05:55 Goodness, just two weeks! 05:56 How long had she had it, do you think? 05:58 Did she say how long she had the bone pain? 06:01 She didn't really say but... 06:03 Must have been bad or she... 06:05 Oh, this was serious. Painful. 06:07 Bone pain and you might wonder, "Okay is that really possible, 06:11 would the studies show that?" 06:12 And in fact, medical studies looking at bone structure 06:16 and seeing somebody who switched from an 06:18 animal-protein-based diet to vegetable-protein-based diet, 06:22 can document new bone growth within 6 weeks! 06:25 Six weeks? Six weeks! 06:27 And that's the documented thing? 06:28 Under the microscope. Oh, under the microscope! 06:31 So that's very convincing isn't it? 06:34 So her pain going away in two weeks is 06:36 very realistic to what was actually happening in writing. 06:39 It shows that that's why it's good to have that research. 06:42 Yes, very good to know why this is happening 06:45 and what's going on. 06:47 And so here she was, I'm seeing her in her 50s, 06:50 and she came to my meeting, she says she has been in 06:54 an accident and she had a broken hip. 06:56 And she went to surgery for this hip, they "pinned it," 07:01 put some bolts and screws in it and she said when the 07:04 surgeon came out of surgery and came and talked to her, 07:08 that he said, "Wow, you had the hardest, strongest bones 07:12 I've worked on in a long time!" 07:14 Isn't that interesting! Amazing. 07:16 From fragile, paper-thin to rock solid literally. 07:20 Literally rock solid! 07:22 And this hip didn't break just from a very minor thing, 07:25 it was actually a traffic accident which would have 07:27 broken... Took a lot to brake it. 07:29 Big accident, big trauma and she broke the hip. 07:32 And if she still had the thin bones, she would have had 07:35 more than just the hip fracture. Oh yes! 07:36 She would have had major bone damage! 07:38 So it just showed how bones need to be 07:41 solid for that protection. Yes! 07:42 Isn't that encouraging to think that something like that 07:46 can actually be reversed. 07:47 It would be interesting to know how long it actually took 07:49 to fully reverse it. 07:51 And Jeni, are there things besides a bad diet 07:55 and so on that contribute? 07:57 A huge factor is stress related and when we have stress, 08:01 it actually can leach calcium from the bones. 08:03 So other than like meat proteins and that, you add the stress 08:06 in and then you're not digesting properly, so you're not 08:09 absorbing the nutrients. 08:10 So that means her bones keep getting depleted. 08:13 And a major factor with stress is the loss of magnesium, 08:16 and magnesium - every cell needs it. 08:19 It helps put calcium in the bones; 08:22 it relaxes the nerves and the muscles. 08:24 If you don't' have enough, you get a lot of cramping. 08:26 It also helps to pick up the brain function, 08:29 and neurotransmitters, particularly your serotonin 08:32 factor, so it improves mood; it helps people 08:34 stay not depressed. 08:36 And interestingly, they have found in research that people 08:40 who have osteoporosis get depressed. Oh. 08:43 And then they're more likely to have a fall, you see, 08:45 so this is where, when you have a look at the stress factor, 08:48 so a lot of what I do as a health psychologist is 08:50 teach people how to manage their life. 08:53 And it is individual because her situation was individual. Sure. 08:56 And I've also looked at nutritional medicine 08:59 for mental health, so this is where, with John, I use a lot of 09:02 looking at nutrients and one of the best ones 09:05 I've found for magnesium comes from the sea. 09:08 If someone is that depleted and they're not absorbing it from 09:11 a food that if they use, it's called "magnesium 09:15 chloride oil," and there's a lot of brilliant research 09:17 now that sings its praises and says it's the best way 09:20 to get it, but you put it on the skin! Okay. 09:22 So it goes straight into the cells and 100% is absorbed. 09:26 If you take it in tablet form, only about 30% is absorbed, 09:29 and that's what, again, research is showing us. 09:31 That's very helpful... Absolutely! 09:33 And you can put it directly on the affected bone areas, 09:36 you see; also if you don't have enough magnesium 09:40 and the calcium isn't going into the bones, you've got 09:42 calcium in your system, it can crystallize and go to the 09:45 joints and cause arthritis. Ohh. 09:46 Yes, so you can see how one major player in our system 09:51 that, (1) She's not having the nutrition to get the 09:53 magnesium and then stress leaches it is a huge factor 09:57 because it helps with calcium. Yes. 09:59 So you can see how correcting one thing. 10:02 So she would have, by changing her diet and doing that, 10:05 she would have got a lot more magnesium in her system, 10:07 probably calcium and it was going where it needed to go. 10:10 So an optimum diet can correct it but a lot of people 10:14 don't do the dietary change. Yeah. 10:17 John, you mentioned about her going on to a totally 10:20 plant-based diet - were there any specifics within 10:24 that diet that she perhaps made sure she included? 10:28 Yeah, her word she used to describe her new diet was 10:32 "vegan," which means she totally avoided any animal products. 10:37 Prior to this, she had been eating cheeseburgers and 10:39 drinking sodas, French fries and the like, the regular junk food 10:43 that we think of. 10:45 And so her changes were to totally get off of any 10:48 dairy products. 10:49 Now that's a very curious one and I can just imagine 10:53 that people tuning into this program will be thinking, 10:58 "Oh come on, this just doesn't make a lot of sense 11:01 because we're given to understand that milk is, 11:04 you know, being the highest calcium source is going 11:07 to be the thing that will build strong bones." 11:10 So it didn't do it for her and now you're saying when she 11:14 went on to a total plant diet, her bones increased 11:19 to a remarkable degree. 11:21 So how does that work? Yes. 11:24 Yeah, you know when I went to switch to a similar diet 11:28 of becoming a total plant-based vegetarian or vegan, 11:32 my grandmother who had run a dairy was just sure that 11:35 my teeth were going to go bad and my bones 11:37 were going to go bad, yeah, she was shocked! 11:40 Which was interesting because a lot of this is sort of like 11:45 tradition - people believed this for generations! 11:49 And I met a young lady who had been raised on a total 11:53 vegetarian diet, a vegan diet. 11:56 And when she was in college, the college was doing a 11:59 research project on bone strength and they scanned 12:03 everybody's bones and when they checked her bones, 12:06 she had the strongest, hardest bones of 12:08 anybody in the college. Interesting! 12:10 And it was pretty fascinating for sure. 12:13 Well it's a great testimony to the value of what you eat 12:16 and what you put in your system. 12:18 And I've found when you eat properly because 12:20 I had osteoporosis diagnosed and I did lots of things, 12:25 but stress was my biggest factor. 12:27 So I've managed my stress level now - this was 12:28 quite a few years ago but I did improve my diet, 12:31 more exercise like weight bearing exercise and I know 12:35 I don't have that now, but that's been treated. 12:38 But it's a huge component to have that diet, it's crucial. 12:42 Yeah, and it's amazing how much difference it makes just by 12:45 shifting the focus of the food you eat. 12:48 Jeni, you're saying that you had a really good healthy 12:51 diet like John, just by being... 12:54 Well I improved my diet. Yes. 12:56 Yeah, I mean I was having a reasonable diet but when I 12:58 started to explore what treats osteoporosis and found 13:02 like dairy products - well, get rid of the dairy products! 13:05 There were things I was having that I considered healthy, 13:08 and I was eating a lot healthier than more people. Yes. 13:11 And then, like you said, get on to a vegan diet, 13:13 so in my research, I found the same thing. 13:16 That was quite a while ago. Interesting. 13:18 So you both researched this out and you separately 13:20 came to the same conclusion. 13:22 But you believe that stress was probably the biggest... 13:25 Stress was my biggest problem. 13:26 Yeah and that was with more events in my life, 13:29 work environment, there are lots of stressors 13:31 which are common to a lot of people. 13:33 That's right, I don't... 13:34 I think they say, "If you haven't got any stressors, 13:37 it's because you're in a box." Laughter. 13:39 In a coffin. You know, in the coffin. 13:40 And so we do all have to have some amount of stress. 13:42 It's getting the good stress, not the bad stress. 13:45 So a lot of what I do is train people to recognize 13:48 their stress levels because this is 13:50 that mind-body connection. 13:51 And how do you do that Jeni? 13:53 How do you get them to recognize this... 13:55 Well I'm working with the way the brain thinks, 13:57 their beliefs and their attitudes create a 13:59 lot of stress and that's what you were saying like her 14:01 belief around certain things once it was challenged 14:03 When she realized it was a wrong belief around eating 14:05 certain foods, then she changed it. 14:08 So people, if they have not told what their belief 14:10 system is doing or if it's incorrect, then you know, 14:12 they won't do it and someone who has a very black and white 14:15 belief system, it's either this or that, it's going to have a 14:17 lot more stress than someone who can step back and 14:20 observe and go, "That's okay, we can manage this," you see. 14:24 So you're saying that you explain to them - like we've 14:28 just had an explanation that this works. 14:31 But what about the motivation part? 14:34 Well, I help people get motivated because 14:37 when you have something like osteoporosis, 14:40 as I said, you get depressed. 14:41 When you're depressed, you're not motivated; 14:43 you don't want to do anything. 14:45 So it's not about feeling 14:46 motivated because you'll never do it. 14:48 So what I get people to do is to pick a small simple goal 14:51 that they can action because action creates motivation. 14:55 But this is where helping them psychologically to not 14:58 overstep the mark and see one small step 15:01 is better than no steps. Right. 15:03 Because once they do that one, they get momentum, 15:05 then we add on and we build the program. Alright. 15:08 But also is the huge component with the 15:09 physiology with stress, you see and so I help 15:13 people to recognize their stress markers and what 15:16 are they doing... like the sweaty palms or the heart. 15:18 Well now you can't even talk about that one. 15:21 The heart rate up and doing all of that because 15:24 once they realize and they start to see the subtler 15:26 signs of stress, they manage it earlier. Alright. 15:29 We might just come back to that. 15:31 But one thing I don't want to miss including John, 15:35 did this lady have much support? 15:38 I mean she made some significant changes, you know, 15:42 and we haven't even talked about them or we've 15:43 talked about, to some extent, the diet and I think there's 15:46 some exercise that comes in there too. 15:48 But let's just talk about - did she have some support 15:51 to make significant changes to actually 15:53 achieve what she achieved? 15:55 No, in fact her husband was sort of like... "Where's the beef?" 15:59 "You know, I don't want to quit eating meat." 16:01 And he sort of gave her a hard 16:03 time about her new dietary changes. 16:06 That's often a conflict I come across with clients. Yes. 16:09 One wants to make a positive change like that, 16:11 but the family doesn't; therefore, they give up. 16:13 And I think it's important that we sort of talk about 16:17 this because I'm sure that people tuning in would find 16:21 themselves in the situation that this young woman did 16:24 where she had to pretty much 16:26 be strong enough to do it on her own. 16:28 And so, it's encouraging to think that it can be done 16:31 certainly a whole lot better if you've got some support. 16:36 It's a huge marker for long-term success but she did it. 16:40 She did it - still having her husband there wanting 16:44 to eat differently and to know that having to do 16:47 two different things and that's hard! 16:49 And you know that the smell in your nostrils of foods that 16:51 you've eaten and enjoyed, and yet she was able to do that. 16:55 So it can be done, you need to have a 16:57 few more things going for you. 16:59 What else actually did you... or what did she do? 17:02 Which she actually initiated this all by herself, didn't she? 17:05 Just from information that she knew. Yeah. 17:07 So she changed her diet and what else? 17:10 She sure did and we might explore the diet a little more. 17:13 People wonder why are animal products a problem 17:16 versus vegetable protein. 17:18 And you see here's the thing, when people eat foods 17:21 that create more acid in the body, it takes calcium from 17:26 the bones to counteract that acid. 17:29 It's like taking a "Tums" which is a calcium pill. 17:32 It's very popular for an acid stomach. 17:36 Well, if they eat food that turns to acid in their blood, 17:39 then it's going to take calcium from the bones to make that 17:43 so it doesn't get too acid for your blood... 17:45 And so dairy products and animal protein, like from beef, 17:49 are going to cause lots of acid. 17:51 The other thing she quit using was brown sodas, 17:55 the sodas with caffeine. Okay. 17:57 Which usually have phosphoric acid in them. 18:00 And the phosphoric acid, in studies when people start 18:04 drinking phosphoric acid pop, (I won't name the brands), 18:07 but the brown sodas, they start peeing out calcium right away. 18:14 And then the other thing she definitely did was she did 18:17 take up an exercise program. 18:18 If you load the bones, they develop stronger and they 18:23 actually make electricity and attract the calcium to them. 18:26 Ohh, excellent! 18:29 So she got into an exercise program and she did 18:31 all of these - she just initiated it and carried it out. 18:34 And what did she have in place of the sodas, the soft drinks? 18:39 Well I'm sure she drank a lot of water - I didn't really ask her. 18:42 Didn't even ask her that, yes, that's good. 18:44 Come back to the stress factor because you're talking about 18:46 acid in the system and stress produces a lot of acid 18:50 in the stomach - the moment we get stress, the stomach 18:53 excretes a lot more hydrochloric acid. 18:55 And this becomes a problem because everything 18:57 you put in your stomach, at that point, is going to become 19:00 totally acidic and you don't absorb nutrients 19:02 and it won't digest. 19:03 So we're getting an acidic problem with the foods 19:07 and the stress factor is another one. Yeah. 19:10 And that means acid foods, acid stomach - you can see 19:14 why illness can just take over. Yes. 19:17 It's just interesting and this might really come as a 19:21 big surprise to some people tuning in, 19:23 but "The Australian Guide to Healthy Eating," which is put 19:26 out by the government for this country, at first glance 19:30 you would not think this, but actually it's user-friendly 19:34 for people on a totally plant-based diet. 19:37 And when you look at it at first glance, 19:38 it wouldn't strike you that way but when you look at it 19:40 more closely, more than half of it is exclusively 19:45 plant foods - that's the grain products, 19:47 the fruits and the vegetables. 19:48 That covers more than half of the plate model. 19:51 Then you come to the part where you've got meats 19:53 and fish and chicken and eggs and things like that, 19:55 but there's nuts and there's legumes in there as options, 19:59 and then you come to the dairy section and there's soy milks 20:03 and things that are included in there and they would be 20:05 fortified with calcium. 20:07 So it's user friendly and just in case anyone out there 20:10 is thinking, "Oh, what you're talking about 20:12 it's just diametrically opposed to what we've been taught." 20:17 No actually it's made provision for. 20:19 And even the "World Health Organization," I was looking 20:22 up there just a night or so ago and they're talking about 20:26 tips for an option on diet and they said, "More fruits, 20:29 vegetables, legumes, grains and nuts." 20:35 And that's what they want us to be having more of. 20:39 So just thought I'd mention that and you've probably 20:42 come across studies that have affirmed 20:44 what you're talking about here John. 20:46 Oh absolutely and the studies show that if you go on 20:49 a more vegetarian diet, then you end up with better bones. 20:52 In fact, like we said, it can happen within 6 weeks. 20:56 And they can show a difference. 20:57 That's very encouraging, that's not a long time, is it... 21:01 to actually start to turn around a problem. 21:03 This happens the moment you change, your whole 21:05 cellular structure. 21:07 And then if you work on the stress levels again, 21:10 and one of the things that helps stress is exercise which 21:12 you mentioned because when you exercise, and walking is 21:15 one of the best exercises. 21:17 It actually helps to dissipate the adrenalin and cortisol 21:20 buildup in the system and get the body to eliminate it. Yes. 21:24 Because stress produces too much cortisol and adrenalin, 21:27 it's an inflammatory factor and it causes toxins and acids 21:31 particularly it inflames the brain. 21:32 Oh, it affects everything doesn't it? Oh it does! 21:35 But every cell of our body, I think they say 21:38 "Exercise is the law of our being." 21:40 We're a total package. 21:41 It's not just the brain or our body. 21:44 Now you mentioned that this young woman was 21:47 a Christian and I'm imaging - I guess they can only imagine, 21:51 but she really prayed about what she was going to do, 21:54 and no doubt she drew on her spiritual resources 21:57 to be able to see her through. 22:00 What wouldn't ought to have been a short program, 22:03 and I guess that was one that she, you know, 22:04 implemented and maintained, so that would be a huge help. 22:09 That's right and so it actually brought her back to church, 22:14 this was a very difficult problem and her church group 22:16 was very supportive of her dietary changes. 22:19 So she did have... yes. 22:20 And that's something I'd just like to say to people tuning in. 22:23 If you don't have already a support network, seek one 22:28 because they're there and it would be hugely beneficial. 22:32 Professional people can become part of that support, 22:35 that's what I do. Yes. 22:36 We get to know the client and you work with them, 22:39 and they feel very supported and that's a huge component, 22:42 like the same with your work. 22:44 People would feel very supported by what you're doing, 22:46 so that's part of the support system. 22:48 This exercise, John, that would be outdoors, I would take it. 22:55 Outdoors is best, out in the sunlight 22:58 because you want to get your vitamin D. Yes! 23:00 Helps bones! What's that? 23:02 Vitamin D helps bones. 23:05 Bones and it helps mental health. 23:09 And you want to have weight bearing exercises 23:13 which means that your bones are getting loaded. 23:16 This is very interesting when they send somebody up 23:18 into outer space - within a few days they start losing 23:23 calcium from their bones from no 23:24 activity and no weight bearing. 23:26 That's incredible, say it again. How long? 23:28 Within a few days. A few days! 23:30 They'll start losing bone mass. 23:32 And they've developed programs to get them to exercise 23:34 in when they are outer space. 23:36 To stress their bones and keep the calcium in 23:38 their bones, that's correct. 23:39 I'm intrigued actually that this young woman 23:43 had osteoporosis in her mid 20s and had it so badly. 23:48 That's scary really, I would not have expected that 23:52 that would happen - you kind of associate it with being older, 23:55 but not necessarily so. 23:57 Yes and it was definitely her diet. 24:00 I mean, you look at cheeseburgers - the cheese 24:02 itself is the most acid-forming food 24:04 you can put in your mouth. Is that right? 24:06 And it will make huge amounts of acid so your body 24:09 has to buffer it with calcium. 24:11 And then, of course, there's the refined grains and the 24:15 white buns that go with these hamburgers. 24:17 Refined grains make acid. 24:19 The things that don't make acid actually make alkali 24:22 are fresh fruits, fresh vegetables, nuts and seeds 24:27 and beans. 24:28 And some very good sources of calcium - what would you 24:31 be suggesting there? 24:33 Yeah, where are you going to get your calcium if you 24:34 don't drink milk? Laughter... 24:36 Could be a question my grandmother 24:37 might have asked me. Well yes. 24:39 Some of the highest things are your green leafy vegetables. 24:41 That's what cows have, isn't it? 24:43 Green leafy? Well low and behold, 24:45 you know, where do the cows get calcium? 24:47 See a lot of the foods we talk about, like nuts and seeds, 24:50 and that have high magnesium levels. 24:52 So when you eat the right diet, you're not just getting 24:54 calcium, you're getting the magnesium to transport 24:57 the calcium into the bones because that's what 24:58 magnesium does. That's right. 25:00 And there's a whole range of nutrients that make us well 25:03 and including in the bones, it's not just... 25:06 And I think this is where we need to get away from 25:08 a single nutrient and just think whole foods 25:12 because they're packaged in a remarkable way 25:15 and when we interfere with that, 25:17 it's a little bit like having maybe a football team 25:20 sending part of the team on to the field and pulling them 25:24 off and then the others have to... 25:25 It's just not going to happen, it is a team effort. 25:27 It is but we have to see the body as that team. That's right! 25:31 And work with the team and do everything we can to 25:34 get it working together. 25:35 Put foods as a whole food and our bodies as a whole people; 25:40 mental, physical, spiritual, social - because they all 25:43 blend in together. 25:45 They all connect and they all support each other. 25:46 And impact on each other for better or for worse. 25:49 It's like you were saying, what's going on in your mind 25:51 with stress is affecting every cell of your body 25:54 and the other way around. 25:56 I read somewhere once, someone said, "We don't just 25:58 have a mind, we ARE a mind!" 26:01 Because whatever is going on in the body is going 26:03 to affect the mind which, in turn, dictates to the body 26:06 because it's our master. 26:07 This is why we need a healthy nervous system which is 26:09 the telegraph system for the brain to the body, 26:11 and the body to the brain. Yes. 26:13 And again, if you have like magnesium and calcium, 26:15 that fortifies the nervous system 26:17 so you can see how important it is. Yes. 26:20 And I just think it's, something you said there 26:25 I just figured a thought then and it's just escaped me. 26:28 Laughter... no jokes about senior's moments. 26:34 Well the calcium thing, you know, we're thinking about it 26:36 as a supplement - actually people taking calcium 26:39 supplements end up with more heart disease cause the 26:42 calcium goes to plaque in the heart. It's dangerous. 26:45 You're much better off eating a food with everything balanced 26:48 with the magnesium and the calcium and the zinc, 26:50 and the copper and so forth, so that the body can 26:52 sort out how much it needs of each one 26:55 and can put it in the right place. 26:56 Yes, as long as we stop messing around with food 26:58 and pulling out this and that, we don't really, 27:01 really know what we're doing. 27:02 I think of it's only maybe 3 or 4 decades ago 27:05 they even found out about phytochemicals that are in 27:08 plant foods exclusively. 27:10 "Phyto" means plants and they work together, 27:13 and we still don't even know how many there are, 27:15 there's thousands and we don't know how they work together. 27:19 We just know eat them, eat food. 27:21 We are created in an amazing way. We are. 27:24 And when you have a look at it, it's just incredible, 27:25 and there's so much we don't know about our system. Yes. 27:28 So it is, it's just been a wonderful thing. 27:30 Well thank you for all of that, it's just been a really good 27:34 exploration of this disease which can be fatal 27:38 or can cause us to die early and can just impact on the 27:44 quality of our lives and such simple solutions! 27:47 Eating very simple lovely plant foods and they are 27:52 really enjoyable too. 27:54 And so that's all we really have time for today, 27:59 but you probably have questions about this. 28:01 Maybe you've got questions about other things, 28:04 other health concerns that you have and if so, 28:07 you can contact John or Jenifer by emailing: 28:10 healthyliving@3abnaustralia.org .au 28:15 So you can watch our programs on demand or download 28:19 our factsheets and to do that, you visit: 28:21 3abnaustralia.org.au 28:23 Click on the watch button and remember 28:26 "Today is the first day of the rest of your life." 28:29 God bless you. |
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