Participants: Don Mackintosh (Host), Dr. Neil Nedley
Series Code: HFAL
Program Code: HFAL00235A
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00:01 The following program presents
00:03 principles designed to promote good health 00:04 and is not intended to take the place 00:06 of personalized professional care. 00:09 The opinions and the ideas expressed 00:11 are those of the speaker. 00:12 Viewers are encouraged to draw 00:14 their own conclusions about the information presented. 00:50 Hello, and welcome to Health for A Lifetime. 00:52 I'm your host Don Mackintosh. We're glad you're with us, 00:55 and we're glad Dr. Neil Nedley is with us. 00:56 Welcome Dr. Nedley. Thank you, it's good to be here. 00:59 And you're a physician in internal medicine 01:02 which means you deal with organs systems, 01:04 the complex patient, heart problems, 01:06 all kinds of problems that are inside. 01:08 Adult disease of the internal organs. 01:10 Okay, adult diseases of the internal organs. 01:13 So, today we're gonna kind of just update 01:15 people on Cutting The Edge Research. 01:17 We're gonna look at different things. 01:19 We'll look at a bunch of different things. 01:20 We're gonna be looking at diabetes and depression. 01:22 We're gonna be looking at, you know, waistlines 01:26 and how they had increased during college. 01:28 We're gonna be looking at Red Yeast 01:30 and all kinds of these interesting things. 01:33 And why don't we just dive right into it? 01:36 Our first study comes from 01:37 the Journal of the American Medical Association 01:39 published in June 18 of 2008, 01:42 showing a link between Diabetes and depression. 01:46 It turns out that people being treated for Type II Diabetes 01:50 are at increased risk for depression. 01:53 And also those who have depression are moderately 01:57 increased in their risk of developing Type II Diabetes. 02:00 In fact, they found that people who had symptoms of Depression 02:03 were about 30% more likely to develop Diabetes 02:07 during the study then people without Depression. 02:10 And they think this link is not only 02:13 just due to lifestyle factors 02:15 or some of those lifestyle factors 02:16 that cause Diabetes for instance, Don, 02:18 also end up causing Depression. 02:22 But also the fact that these two diseases 02:24 are interrelated through deeper mechanisms. 02:27 And what are some of those deeper mechanisms? 02:29 Well, the deeper mechanisms would be insulin resistance. 02:32 People with Type II Diabetes developed insulin resistance 02:36 and that means that the insulin can't get 02:40 out of the receptor, to get the sugar into the cell, 02:43 okay, and if the sugar doesn't get into the cell 02:45 it doesn't get energy 02:46 and obviously that can be associated with fatigue, apathy, 02:49 and also the devolvement of Type II Diabetes. 02:52 And so the interesting thing about this is the same treatment 02:56 that can help Diabetes 02:58 also can help Depression and vice versa. 03:00 So you know, for years we've known 03:03 it's good for diabetics to exercise 03:05 and it's good for them to eat plant-based foods, 03:08 but it turns out 03:09 that is the best program for Depressions as well. 03:12 So do you think underlying this is the Obesity crisis 03:16 that we face in many Western Countries? 03:19 Yes, that's part of it. 03:20 We're seeing increasing waistlines 03:22 and of course that can cause insulin resistance 03:25 and can also lead to Diabetes we know. 03:28 And now we know it can also lead to Depression. 03:31 I looked at the study once that said you know, 03:32 one out of every three patients that's Obese has Depression 03:38 and so it was kind of that link too. 03:41 There is that link and that's why, 03:44 you know, we of course of author 03:46 the Depression recovery program, 03:47 but that's why we talked about if you're obese 03:50 loosing weight down to your idea way. 03:52 It'll actually help your energy, 03:54 it'll help your insulin resistance 03:55 and what happens that you'll also, 03:57 you know, we didn't talked about this 03:59 to get the neurotransmitters into the brain 04:03 or I should say the substrate to make the neurotransmitters, 04:08 for instance the substrate to make Serotonin 04:10 is called Tryptophan. 04:11 Tryptophan, we have to get in foods. 04:14 Tryptophan will not cross into the brain, 04:18 unless the insulin is working. 04:21 In other words, the insulin binds another receptor 04:24 and that brings tryptophan across 04:27 the blood brain barrier to make Serotonin. 04:29 So in another words, insulin doesn't just get sugar in, 04:31 it gets these other building blocks into the brain 04:33 that didn't could be made into the things 04:35 that make us feel good. Exactly. 04:37 So if you're diabetic not only do you 04:38 not get the sugar you need 04:40 into you know, the tissues you need but you also... 04:45 You also don't make Serotonin right. 04:46 You don't get it into your brain, you don't feel good. 04:48 Exactly. Interesting, 04:49 so this kind of raises all ships with those 04:52 and it's a typical treatment 04:53 that you talked about in Depression recovery 04:55 which is exercise and nutrition 04:57 and you know, basically learning the truth 05:01 and doing the truth about these different things. 05:03 That's right. Interesting. 05:05 And actually it can help better than medicine, 05:06 that's what we've shown in our studies 05:09 that when you put someone 05:10 on a comprehensive lifestyle program to treat Depression 05:14 it's better than any combination of medications 05:17 on the planet in helping their condition. 05:20 And if people would recognized 05:21 just that alone it would give them far more hope 05:25 than they have by paying hundreds 05:27 and sometimes it's over a $100 a month 05:29 for their antidepressant medication prescription 05:32 and we need to remind ourselves 05:34 that's the number one class of drugs 05:37 being given by pharmacist actually prescribed by doctors 05:40 but passing over the counter from pharmacist to patient. 05:44 The number one class of drugs is now antidepressant medicines, 05:47 and unfortunately they don't work 05:50 near as well as lifestyle. 05:51 So if someone has major Depression, 05:52 I am not talking bipolar Depression 05:54 where it's up and down those swings, 05:55 but if they have major Depression 05:56 they should really look into 06:00 you know, the same thing that's gonna help their Depression 06:02 that helps them address their Diabetes 06:05 in terms of lifestyle things. 06:07 That's right, physical exercise, sunlight actually helps 06:09 both conditions omega-3 helps both conditions. 06:13 Proper rest. A plant-based diet. 06:15 That's right, proper rest 06:16 when you're not getting enough sleep 06:18 you actually are more insulin resistant. 06:21 And you said also once we were talking that eating food 06:24 late at night is very bad 06:26 because it increases you know proper 06:31 It decreases your melatonin level, yeah, 06:32 decreases your growth hormone; 06:33 those are both things that are going 06:36 to help your mental health. Yeah. 06:38 And unfortunately diabetics have a tenancy to eat late at night 06:43 and not to eat well in the morning. 06:45 And the best time that they could actually stimulate 06:47 that food is in the morning time, 06:49 that's the time when their insulin receptors 06:51 are gonna work the best. 06:52 So your website still drnedley.com, right? Correct. 06:56 And that's where you give more information 06:59 about Depression and these kind of things. Exactly. 07:01 Let's go into the next study which I found fascinating, 07:04 was looking at the waistlines of college students, 07:07 yes, and there is something called "The Freshman 15," 07:11 And that Freshman 15 is that when you enter 07:15 into the freshman year of college 07:18 you may end up gaining 15 pounds as a result. 07:21 Is that true? Is that a myth? 07:22 Well, it turned out to be a myth, 07:23 it turned out the average was five pounds 07:27 and girls entering their freshman years of college 07:31 And the thing that Dr. Janis Randall-Simpson 07:35 who conducted this study said, it was alarming, 07:38 Is this happened over just to six 07:40 to seven month period of time? 07:42 So they were gaining five-six pounds 07:44 over six to seven months. 07:45 That's right, and that's just on average. 07:47 Now that some of course freshman like lose, 07:50 some might gain like 15, 07:51 but if you just take an average individual 07:54 who enters college as a female, their BMI that is there... 07:59 Basal Metabolism, right? 08:01 Well, no it's actually their density 08:04 as far as... Okay, body mass. 08:07 Body mass index. Index, okay. 08:08 All right, the body mass index 08:10 went from average of 22 to well over 23, 08:14 and their percent body fat grows 08:21 and the waistlines also increased 08:23 by two and a half centimeters or one inch 08:25 in just 6 to 7 months. 08:27 Is this because you're eating more food they have no work, 08:30 they're not out there doing things, is that why? 08:32 Well, they're not sure exactly why it's happening. 08:34 The study just looked at the averages 08:36 and what was going on but didn't really address it. 08:39 And I think you know, 08:40 it's really any one's guess as to why this is taking place? 08:45 But in reality a lot of cafeterias, 08:48 in fact the study point at this how we think might, 08:51 some other reasons are many college cafeterias 08:53 you just pay a fee to eat lunch 08:56 and it's kind of all you can eat. 08:58 And so people think they're getting more 09:00 for their money if they eat more. 09:02 Right, so that adds problems. 09:04 You know, Weimar College Associated with that 09:08 and also with Amazing Facts College 09:10 and putting their work part aspect into the program 09:14 something that really seems to mitigate 09:16 against developing those problems. 09:18 We worked and then you study 09:19 and if you're working, 09:21 I mean I wonder why it is they're gaining so much weight. 09:23 Now one thing I point out in your study you said 09:26 that it was six to seven months they gain five to seven pounds 09:29 are something like that. 09:30 Well, if you extrapolate that 12 months 09:32 it's sounds like it would be closer to the 09:34 12 or 15 pounds in the first year. 09:37 Well, and that's true. 09:38 And of course, if you do that year-after-year, yeah. 09:40 I mean you're gonna search yourself up 09:42 for some major health issues. 09:44 And that's, and that's what tends to happen to America, 09:47 I mean they gain about five pounds every year 09:48 and keep on going. 09:50 I will, little bit more than I did in college, do you? 09:52 I do, yeah. But not 15 pounds a year. 09:55 Not 15 pounds a year, not even five pounds a year. 09:59 Yeah. And you know they, 10:03 you're right work base programs would be important, 10:06 physical exercise is very important 10:08 in this whole aspect of things 10:10 as well as choosing proper foods that are not dense in calories, 10:16 but actually dense in nutrients. 10:18 Nutrient dense low calories, if we make the right choices 10:22 we can keep these freshmen as thin as they were 10:24 when they enter their freshmen year. 10:26 Well, that's good news 10:28 and for those of you who've gained a few pounds 10:29 I think you know doing the same things, 10:31 but probably bring you back. 10:33 Red yeast, this was interesting, what's red yeast? 10:37 Yeah, just one minute before we go to red yeast, 10:39 the last study for those that are interested 10:41 it was the Journal of the American Dietetic Association 10:46 that published that study in June of 2008. 10:49 Okay, red yeast tell me what it is, 10:52 why we should be interested in and all about? 10:55 Well, red yeast is a traditional Chinese dietary supplement 10:59 and sometimes the active ingredient is called XZK, 11:06 which stands for Xuezhikang, a nice Chinese term 11:10 and that's the derivative of red yeast rice. 11:13 And it, we have known for a while. 11:15 This is rice, it's not yeast it's red yeast rice. 11:18 Red yeast rice, correct. Okay. 11:20 And we have known for a while that this type of rice 11:24 actually does have a tendency to lower cholesterol levels. 11:27 In fact, you can find 11:29 red yeast rice extract in pharmacies 11:35 and health food stores and those type of things. 11:38 And some people use that is an alternative for taking 11:40 cholesterol lowering medicines. 11:43 The study show they do, it does lower cholesterol, 11:46 probably not to the extent of a Lipitor or Zocor or Crestor. 11:51 These are the cholesterol lower in medicines. 11:52 These are in cholesterol lower in medicines. 11:55 But you know, the heartcore physician 11:58 who really wants to know about outcomes 12:00 is not just interested to know 12:02 whether the cholesterol goes down 12:04 we think that's helpful, but the purist will say, 12:08 we don't know if that's really helpful or not 12:09 unless we've done outcome studies to show 12:12 that the individuals actually do better 12:14 who are taking the medicine or the supplement. 12:16 Of course, it costs millions of dollars 12:18 to do these prospective randomized control studies. 12:22 And one of the reasons why drugs are out there 12:26 and can be sold in mass 12:27 is simply because millions of dollars have gone into it; 12:30 you don't see millions of dollars poured 12:32 into red yeast rice extract. 12:36 And do you know the reason, Don? 12:38 That's because there is no good looking 12:40 pharmaceutical rep that comes 12:42 and talked about red yeast, 12:43 no, not, no Chinese acrobat that comes in 12:46 and diets into your office with the rice. 12:48 Well, yes that's and the reason why they don't? 12:53 Why isn't they're good looking representatives coming from? 12:55 Probably there is not 12:56 a lot of money out through this annum. 12:57 That's right, it comes from rice 12:59 and if you try to pattern this rice 13:01 it will be called the U.S. Government 13:04 will send you a nice letter bag, that'll be called Prior Art. 13:07 In other words, it's already there 13:09 it's been in the food supply for centuries 13:11 and so you can't patterned that and if you can't patterned that 13:15 then you don't have the ability to make 13:17 a lot of money off of it. 13:18 And so a lot of times supplements 13:21 are prepared by medical professionals 13:24 as being well there isn't any evidence for this 13:26 and you know which sure be nice to see the evidence. 13:29 Well, these individuals did the study 13:31 and it actually was published in well places 13:34 the American Journal of Cardiology. 13:36 Oh, is that right? 13:37 American Journal of Cardiology June 15, 2008 13:40 and here is their quote, 13:42 "Chinese red yeast rice is a botanical product 13:45 that has been used in China for many centuries 13:47 for the treatment of circulatory disorders. 13:49 The co-author Dr. David Capuzzi at Thomas Jefferson University 13:53 in Philadelphia noted. 13:55 Particular preparation used in this study 13:57 has been grown under carefully control lab record, 13:59 laboratory conditions so that its components are reproducible. 14:03 And for their study they recruited four, 14:06 almost 4000 men and about a 1000 women 14:10 who'd survived a heart attack and had high cholesterol levels. 14:14 And so this is the right population 14:16 they've already had heart disease, 14:18 they already have high cholesterol levels. 14:20 And now they have the study. 14:21 And they've already had a high heart attack 14:24 and what they did is they treated them 14:26 with either the red yeast rice 14:28 or placebo for four and a half years, 14:30 so it was a prospective study. 14:33 And what they found out is those on the red yeast rice 14:37 actually had 1.9% of them ended up 14:40 having a follow up heart attack 14:42 within that study period of four and a half years, 14:45 but those not on it 5% 14:47 and so the difference was well over double the risk 14:53 if you were not consuming red yeast rice extract. 14:58 And in fact the group 15:00 that was not consuming the red yeast rice extract 15:03 over about twice as many of those needed 15:06 stent procedures later on and needed those type of things 15:10 and the mortality right also was lower significantly 15:13 by taking red yeast rice extract. 15:16 Does it taste good? 15:17 It can, yeah. Rice can be tasty thing. 15:21 Same as the other couple of rice because red yeast rice. 15:22 Yeah, and of course 15:23 in this condition they weren't just feeding them, right, 15:26 the rice they were taking the extract. Okay. 15:29 That active component and putting it in a capsule. 15:31 We're talking with Dr. Neil Nedley, 15:33 join us when we comeback 15:35 and talk about the placebo effect and exercise 15:38 and many other fascinating Cutting Edge Studies. 15:40 Join us when we comeback. |
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