Participants: Don Mackintosh (Host), Hans Diehl
Series Code: HFAL
Program Code: HFAL000232
00:01 The following program presents principles designed
00:03 to promote good health and is not intended 00:05 to take the place of personalized professional care. 00:08 The opinions and ideas expressed are those of the speaker. 00:12 Viewers are encouraged to draw their own conclusions 00:14 about the information presented. 00:49 Hello and welcome to Health for A Life Time. 00:50 I'm your host Don Mackintosh. 00:52 And today we're joined in the studio with Dr. Hans Diehl. 00:55 Welcome Dr. Diehl. Glad to be here, Don. 00:57 We're gonna be talking today about obesity 01:02 it is no point intend or rather weighty issue, 01:05 and it's a large problem in America, 01:09 it's increasing, especially over the last ten years. 01:13 And you run what are called 01:15 Coronary Health Improvement Project, 01:18 coronary of course has to do 01:20 with the coronary arteries of the heart. 01:23 But the heart is connected in terms of the vessels 01:26 to everything else and obesity directly 01:29 effects the heart, doesn't it? 01:30 Yes, it does. So, tell us what's the magnitude 01:34 here of this problem 01:35 and what kind things does it cause? 01:39 Yeah. You know Don, 01:40 obesity one of the most sensitive subjects 01:45 we could talk about. 01:47 There's so much of misinformation out there. 01:51 And the issues are so complex, 01:55 they are physiological aspects, they are sociological aspects, 01:59 they are marketing aspects, they are dietary aspects, 02:03 they are genetic aspects 02:04 and how can we cover this subject today. 02:08 Let me perhaps just make a couple of comments, 02:11 one is the problem has become much larger in the last 02:17 ten, twenty years like you said, 02:18 just to give you some idea. 02:21 Here you see a graphic that shows what happened 02:23 to the average American standard seat. 02:28 The American seating company in 1900 used to be built, 02:33 they use to built seats, 02:34 the average chair size of 16.5 inches, 02:37 16.5. 16.5 inches 02:39 then as they pretty much around 17 inches in 1930s. 02:43 In 1970s it was still under 18 inches, 02:47 and then suddenly the last 20 years 02:49 it jump to 23 plus inches just to accommodate 02:54 the American enlarging derriere. 02:56 So that's almost two feet? 02:58 Yeah, we have to add six inches 03:02 especially in last 20, 30 years to accommodate 03:05 the American enlarging seat. 03:09 Now on the plane over here, the airline I am flying on... 03:14 they said that they have an extra charge 03:15 for people of size. 03:18 So they are charging more because the fuel is going up 03:20 and just to say today I said that the cost of fuel 03:23 for some of these airlines because they are carrying 03:25 such heavy passengers, they're charging 03:28 for one, two, three seats sometimes 03:30 and the fuel costs are going up by the billions. 03:33 Yeah, it is the classic example of the consequences 03:36 of being overweight, right? 03:37 We are super-sizing everything today from shirts 03:42 to trousers to gurneys to coffins, no longer fit. 03:47 And the question is why is this 03:49 it cannot be a genetic problem, 03:51 because it takes about three hundred 03:53 to four hundred years to change the genetics in whole society. 03:57 So it must be an environmental problem. 03:59 What could be the problems, but you know before 04:01 we do anything else I think it is very, 04:03 very important that we have great compassion 04:07 towards those people who are suffering 04:09 and are affected by this kind of problem. 04:12 And I thought the best way to set the tone 04:15 for our meeting today will be by doing a role in, 04:17 is that all right to you? 04:18 Yeah, this is an interview you were doing with someone 04:20 at one of your chip programs. 04:22 That's correct. Well, lets take a look at it. 04:24 Now, lets perhaps dig a little bit deeper. 04:28 Why are there are some other physiological reasons 04:31 that we can perhaps think of? 04:33 Why people tend to find comfort and solace in food? 04:39 They feel like they're not worth anything. 04:42 Oh, I see. Oh. 04:45 People make fun of them. 04:49 They have no friends. Really? 04:57 They just don't care, so they eat. 05:02 I see. Looking at you, 05:07 is that sort of a personal experience? 05:11 Do you want to share that with us 05:12 to help us understand that maybe a little bit more? 05:14 I was always heavy. 05:15 I was always the biggest kid in class. 05:19 I think I weighed a 150 pounds when I was in 6th grade. 05:23 Kids always picked on me, made fun of me. 05:26 I never had friends. I hated school. 05:29 I hated kids and their parents for letting them pick on me. 05:33 Making fun. If any of these people here 05:36 have grand kids or kids that pick on kids, 05:38 they ought to straighten them out and straighten them fast 05:42 It is not fun. And it hurts, doesn't it? 05:44 It hurts. Kids are impressionable. 05:55 And then somehow it doesn't help 05:59 with the weight problem does it? What happened? 06:04 I just wanted to get out of school. 06:07 I didn't try. I just wanted to get out. 06:09 It was too painful. 06:14 There was nothing there for me. 06:20 I just hated it. 06:22 What happened after you got out of school? 06:24 Did that solve the problem? 06:25 No, I was still heavy. 06:28 And I wish to God that CHIP had been there in 1980 06:33 because in 1982, I had my stomach stapled. 06:39 But if CHIP would have been there, 06:41 I know that I could have done CHIP 06:42 and not have gone through that. 06:46 Did that solve the problem, the stomach stapling? 06:49 I lost the weight but I can't eat right. 06:53 So you're kind of miserable? 06:55 Most of the time, yeah. 06:57 I pray over my food so I can eat it. 07:01 But I was 336 pounds and now I am down to 176 today. 07:12 But if CHIP would have been there, 07:14 I would have done CHIP instead of that. 07:18 That is wonderful, isn't it? 07:19 But you can see that when it comes 07:22 to obesity and overweight, sometimes the reasons 07:26 can be very diverse and sometimes the roots go 07:30 very, very deep, isn't it? 07:32 We internalize these things. 07:34 The most important thing. 07:36 The most important concept to keep in mind is, 07:39 that when it comes to obesity, to weight, 07:43 we need to extend loving concern 07:45 and understanding to people. 07:47 But how easy it is for some of us that are slender 07:50 to poke our skinny fingers at other people 07:54 and we have this judgmental attitude that is being picked up 07:57 as if it was a radar screen 07:59 by the other person, isn't that right? 08:03 Some people think that overweight people 08:05 have no will power and all those people say 08:07 that it has nothing to do with it. 08:08 We have all kinds of cliches in our society, 08:11 but I think the most important concept 08:13 to get across to an idea is that we need to be loving people. 08:18 People are worthwhile, regardless of how many layers 08:22 of fat are covering them. 08:24 This lady at 330 pounds is just as valuable 08:27 as when she now is 176. 08:30 And that's a great accomplishment 08:32 and we're very proud of you. 08:35 Oh, man, that was quite an emotional exchange 08:38 and I can see the others in the audience getting involved 08:41 as they listen to the pain that lady went through. 08:44 It's already bad enough to be overweight 08:47 or struggle with that, but then they have people tease you 08:50 and point that out and you know that was 08:54 how you were able to handle that in that setting, 08:56 I could tell was bringing healing to the lady, 09:00 psychologically speaking. But also the others could 09:04 emphasize with the lady and you know it just 09:09 underlines what you have said at beginning, 09:11 that this is a sensitive subject, 09:13 we can assume that people, you know, people 09:16 probably been teased about their way. 09:18 Americans now as a nation are being teased 09:21 about their weight by other people around the world. 09:24 But we have to go behind teasing to truths 09:27 that can help us transform 09:29 and I think that's what CHIP is about. 09:30 The CHIP program that you run there 09:34 and many people are running around the nation. 09:36 But what can we talk about here today that can help us 09:39 get a handle on how to reverse this. 09:42 You know when I talk to obese audiences 09:46 when I talk to women and men 09:48 there are struggling with overweight. 09:50 My first comment usually is I wanted to show you 09:54 that you are not responsible for your overweight. 09:56 And they will look at me, there is a trap 10:01 I know he is setting as up and he said no, 10:03 not really because at least impart you are not responsible 10:07 because we live in a society that is making us schizophrenic. 10:12 On one hand we see the beautiful slender people 10:15 on the front covers of magazines 10:17 you will open it up on the inside you will see 10:19 recipes for romantic moments in coronaries and getting fat. 10:25 I mean we're basically surrounding people 10:28 everywhere with fatty foods, 10:30 I mean you go to hospital fatty food, 10:32 you go to a restaurants fatty food, 10:33 you go to your home it's fatty food. 10:35 I mean, I am surprised 10:36 that we are not more obese then we are already. 10:38 So, I think that the contra has to assume 10:40 some responsibility in that we're very, 10:43 very seductive to people and baiting them, 10:48 it's the way we do things with fattening foods. 10:51 So, what we want to do today perhaps, 10:54 take a slim view of a few ideas so that might be helpful 10:58 to you and the basic idea here is, 11:01 begin to eat more food at the right kind 11:04 if you want to lose weight. 11:06 Okay, more food of the right kind 11:08 instead of saying less food, 11:11 the way you're saying that is kind of intriguing. 11:14 Eat more food of the right kind. 11:16 But we have always said to people 11:17 if you want to lose weight, push away from the table, 11:19 that's the most important exercise, right? 11:21 Push away table. People love food, 11:25 begins to show after a while. 11:27 What we're saying is just the opposite, 11:28 if you want to lose weight, 11:30 if you want to weigh less, eat more. 11:35 Are you interested? I am very interested, 11:37 eat more of the right foods. Eat more of the right foods. 11:40 And so to begin our discussion, 11:42 I think we have to first recognize as you see here 11:47 that there is an energy balance and that says 11:51 if you have more calories coming in, 11:53 then going out, these extra calories 11:56 will be deposited using in the central bank 11:59 right here, right? Right? 12:00 Right in the middle. Isn't it the central bank? 12:03 and you know as more and more close 12:05 come in and fewer go out. 12:06 The central bank become sort of saturated, 12:11 overflows and you have branch offices being setup 12:15 all over the body, and then you become 12:17 very, very subconscious. 12:19 And you know you feel like everybody is staring 12:21 at you and you feel I got to do something about it. 12:24 And the first thing you do is you follow 12:26 the siren call of the merchants of misery. 12:32 In seven days you lose seven pounds, 12:35 in three weeks you're gonna be ready 12:37 for the high school view when you get again. 12:40 And we far for this lions that promise quick results, 12:45 it's a quick fix trap and this is long term promise 12:49 so we have to be looking for long term solutions. 12:52 And my recommendation is if you want 12:54 to lose weight let all diets die. 12:57 So, don't look for a magic pill or a diet, 13:02 but look for a lifestyle. 13:04 Pills, portions, surgeries, diets all these 13:08 kind of things are second, 13:09 if not to a share should not even be used. 13:12 We are talking with Dr. Hans Diehl, 13:14 we are talking about obesity, 13:16 it is a problem that is effecting 13:18 millions of Americans and also the world. 13:21 When we come back we're gonna be looking 13:23 at solutions and I think you'll enjoy these. 13:27 Are you confused about the endless stream of new 13:30 and often contradictory health information? 13:33 With companies trying to sell new drugs 13:36 and special interest groups paying 13:37 for studies that spin the facts. 13:39 Where can you find a common sense approach to health? 13:42 One way is to ask for your free copy 13:44 of Dr. Arnott's 24 realistic ways to improve your health. 13:48 Dr. Timothy Arnott and the Lifestyle Center of America 13:51 produced this helpful booklet of 24 short practical health tips 13:55 based on scientific research and the Bible. 13:57 That will help you live longer, happier and healthier. 14:01 For example, did you know that women who drink 14:03 more water lower the risk of heart attack, 14:06 or that 7 to 8 hours of sleep at night can minimize 14:09 your risk of ever developing diabetes? 14:11 Find out how to lower your blood pressure and much more. 14:14 If you're looking for help not hike, 14:16 then this booklet is for you. 14:17 Just log on to 3abn.org and click on free offers 14:21 or call us during regular business hours, 14:23 you'll be glad you did. 14:27 Welcome back, we're talking with Dr. Hans Diehl. 14:29 We are talking about obesity 14:31 and we in the first half recognized 14:33 the magnitude of the problem and also the fact 14:36 that it is emotionally laden. Some of the things we talk about 14:40 today you may want to have more information about 14:44 and you can get this program of course by calling 3ABN. 14:47 But you can go to Dr. Diehl's website chiphealth, 14:51 chiphealth.com and there is all kinds of resources there. 14:58 And thank you for making that web page, 15:00 I've visited it a number of times has a lot of links 15:03 it has a lot of scientific evidence. 15:06 And in fact the CHIP program I am delighted 15:09 to see that it has so much scientific validation, 15:13 some five, six published papers and other research underway. 15:18 So the reason for that is because its working 15:21 and now other researchers are getting 15:24 on the bandwagon and saying, 15:26 well, lets look at this. 15:27 And that leads me into my question here, 15:30 we saw the magnitude and also the emotion 15:33 that is connected with this problem. 15:36 But you started out by sharing 15:39 the number one simple solution 15:41 which is to eat more of the right foods, 15:45 and this is different then we normally 15:47 or usually say push away from table. 15:50 Give us some more insight, 15:52 you kind of tickled our taste buds so to speak. 15:56 Well, I think there are six guidelines 15:59 I would like to share with you today. 16:00 The first one is, and you see it here reduce empty calories. 16:05 We are particularly looking at calories 16:07 that have no nutritional values such as sugar 16:10 and then you have fats and you have alcohol. 16:13 These are the three, a soda pop. 16:16 Soda pop, I mean, when you think about this 16:17 the average family of four consumes 16:20 fifty six cans of soda pops in America per week. 16:25 Fifty six a week. I mean, that's a lot of sugar 16:27 as a matter of fact... That's like 10 six packs almost. 16:31 The number one, yeah, the number one 16:35 cause of sugar consumption. 16:37 The number one contribute of sugar consumption 16:39 is actually soft drinks. 16:41 So we need to really do something 16:42 about this less of this and more water. 16:46 When you say less, do you mean none of it? 16:48 Well, I mean cutting back on something 16:50 is gonna be very, very important. 16:52 So number one, reduce empty calories 16:54 in terms of sugar as such as sugar 16:57 and some of the other things that I want to show you, 16:59 if we can take look at that. 17:01 We want to show you how the sugar consumption 17:03 has gonna up of the last hundred years 17:07 or so we use to take in about twenty teaspoon of sugar, 17:10 now we are consuming 17:11 forty teaspoon sugar per person per day. 17:15 And that's largely related to the soft drinks, 17:18 are your soft drinks but there are some other 17:19 things too as I'll show you right now. 17:22 Take a look at the doughnut there, 17:24 see that's what you want to do from now on. 17:26 You all was want to zero in on the doughnut hole, 17:31 from the doughnut hole, If you eat that 17:33 and then people tell me no, no, no, no... 17:34 they are selling now those doughnut holes as well, 17:37 so you have to be careful there too. 17:38 Then you have also have cakes as you see in the last. 17:40 The next line, six, what is that six what of? 17:43 Six teaspoons of sugar. Six teaspoons 17:45 and I think the cake has fifteen it shows here. 17:47 Yeah, and then the next one look at that banana split. 17:49 Yeah, you have twenty five teaspoons, 17:52 it gives you some joy, but it doesn't last, does it? 17:55 The kicker comes the next day, 17:57 you step on the scale, you try to put your pants on, 17:59 and you try to put your blouse on, all of a sudden 18:01 you realize maybe I shouldn't have done that. 18:04 So that brings then to the second 18:06 part of the first guideline and that is to eat less fats 18:11 and oil as you see here. 18:13 And where do we find all of the oil. 18:16 Well, it's usually in refined foods, I mean, think about this 18:19 you could have one tube of Pringles 18:24 or you could eat nine potatoes. 18:26 Okay and the Pringles have all kinds of fats and oils 18:30 added to the potato. 18:31 It's the same number of calories, 18:33 you have one tube of Pringles, you have a thousand calories 18:36 and are you gonna be filled up after one tube of Pringles? 18:40 Probably not. probably not. 18:42 So you got to deep it in sour cream or something. 18:44 People usually do to fill themselves up. 18:46 Even, you could have, nine, nine medium size potatoes 18:49 could have eaten those in one session it's impossible. 18:51 So eat more food has it comes in nature you much, much safer. 18:55 So that's back to your concept, 18:56 when you say eat more you mean more foods as grown 19:00 and so you're so full that you can eat 19:03 the other, that's correct. 19:05 That's correct. Okay, so you get so full, 19:07 you can't have anymore. 19:08 Correct. Now you come to the next graphic 19:10 Okay. And here you see 19:11 what happens to us when it comes to... 19:13 There are some potatoes we have. 19:14 That's right, those nine potatoes 19:16 to that one tube of Pringles, right? 19:18 Okay. Or the crinkly back. 19:20 Now the next slides shows you the empty calories, 19:24 take a look at this. 19:27 Twenty one percent of our calories comes from sugar, 19:32 another twenty percent comes from fats and oils 19:34 and then you have alcohol 10 percent. 19:35 So, half of all the calories that we eat done, 19:39 half of all the calories in our society 19:41 has non nutritional value, so that we are 19:44 overfed and undernourished. Okay. 19:48 That's what we have to do we have to do 19:49 something about empty calories, 19:51 few of all these refined engineered seductive foods, 19:55 crinkly bags for instance. Okay. 19:57 So cut off the soda pop 19:59 or minimize it greatly. Minimize it. 20:02 And the way to do that is to replace it 20:05 with a strongest strength known to man, 20:07 the water, right? What else? 20:09 that can sink battleships, and if you put that in your body 20:13 you don't have room for the other 20:15 and then also foods is grown rather than process foods. 20:19 Yeah, few are crinkly diet foods, right? 20:23 Okay, few are the candy bars, the snacks, 20:26 as a matter of fact the bigger the snacks 20:29 the larger the slacks, that happens every time 20:32 because these are concentrated calories 20:35 a lot of with fat and sugar and no nutritional value. 20:38 Okay, what's our next? 20:41 Well, let's take look at the next graphic. 20:42 All right. It gives us some clue 20:44 of what we need to talk about. 20:45 Well, so we want to reduce empty calories, number one, 20:50 right? Okay. 20:51 number two, we want to be also be careful with animal products, 20:53 why animal products? 20:56 Animal products are kind of the animal processing things 20:59 I mean, the others are commercialized process food 21:02 for the animal processes, processes things as well. 21:05 I mean we have made that definitely a process food. 21:08 Well, yes. That's the animal has done that, right? 21:10 Right. Well, you know we often 21:12 and so on realize it that 21:13 when you have that sour on stake, 21:16 that's actually 70% fat. 21:18 Okay, we always thing about protein food, 21:21 but it's really a high fat food. 21:24 So, your hamburger, your ham, your corned beef 21:26 all those kind of things are processed food. 21:28 Yeah, they are process foods in that sense 21:30 and they are fairly high in fat and its usually animal fat, 21:32 which is not in our best interest anyway, 21:34 plus we have the cholesterol to worry about. 21:36 Then, but you also come to process sausages. 21:41 Sausages. They're hot dog. 21:42 Okay. and hot dog is about 80% fat. 21:46 Eighty percent fat in a hot dog. 21:47 Well, that's what makes it so juicy and so good. 21:50 What about French fries? 21:52 Well, there again you see, 21:53 you're much, much better off eating more 21:55 of the real potatoes instead of the French fries, 21:57 because you basically have a 60% fat product. 22:00 I guess that's a not an animal product. 22:02 We are talking about animal products. 22:03 Yeah, that's right. What about cottage cheese? 22:05 Well, you know I use the low fat cottage cheese, 22:09 if for instance you have the cheeses. 22:11 Okay. The cheese has no fiber, 22:14 it is small volume, but full and large calorie load, 22:19 this cheese is about 60, 70% fat. 22:22 Again, if you wanna lose weight 22:23 you have to be a little bit careful there. 22:25 So avoid these animal products? 22:28 Yeah, because most of them are fully high 22:30 in fat in calories, right. 22:32 So, if it has a mother or a face, 22:34 probably you don't want to eat it? 22:36 That's probably true, that's right. 22:38 So, now we have these three principles, less refined foods. 22:42 Okay. Number two, 22:44 reduce animal products and then eat more foods-as-grown 22:47 More foods-as-grown, like? 22:49 Well, I want to give you some examples, 22:50 you'll be absolutely amazed. 22:52 You know this will fig newtons squares. 22:58 Love them. Yeah. 22:59 I mean one little one, about 60 calories. 23:02 Yeah, oh, that's not good. No, that's okay. 23:04 Oh, they are so small like package, not too bad. 23:07 It's a nice little treat once in while, right? 23:11 But you know that's a processed food, isn't it? 23:13 Got to watch out for it, it's a processed food. 23:15 Now just you give me some example that 60 calories. 23:18 If you wanted to eat a cantaloupe. 23:22 Yeah. You would have to eat 23:23 a whole cantaloupe to get 60 calories, 23:26 a whole cantaloupe same as one little square of a fig Newton. 23:32 I get the point, so you can eat much higher volume for less 23:36 calories and I see that you are, you know, making sure 23:40 I know that, I am gonna take it hard. 23:42 But you see because most food-as-grown, 23:45 like fruits and vegetables and grains. 23:50 I am talking about unrefined grains. 23:52 I am not talking about fruit loops 23:54 or you know some of these commercial prepared cereals. 23:58 When you eat unrefined grain cereal products 24:04 or when you look at some of the legumes, the beans 24:08 they are very, very low in calories. 24:11 So you can eat lot of them, it fills you up 24:14 and then you don't have the temptations. 24:16 That's exactly right. 24:17 So that's what we would like people to eat more grains 24:20 eat more vegetables, eat more fruits and eat more legumes. 24:25 All right. What's your next tip? 24:27 Well, I want to give you another tip here, 24:29 I was at a medical convention two months ago 24:32 and you know there is a social hour 24:33 and people just move around 24:35 and they abide themselves a little bit of. 24:39 Alcohol? Can you imagine a small jigger, 24:42 plus a half a cup of nuts people thing nothing of it, 24:47 but right there you have same number of calories 24:50 it's about 750 calories that you could had 24:53 in five pounds of fresh fruits and two roast boot. 24:59 Wow! I mean I'm not trying to say everybody 25:02 has to eat five pounds of fruits, 25:04 but the point is you have a small concentrated 25:06 calorie sources like alcohol and some nuts, 25:10 I mean you compare to real food as it comes in nature. 25:13 Also you can eat large volumes you can feed yourself up. 25:16 And you even recommend having any of that anyway... 25:18 Now, it's true. True maybe if have nuts, but... 25:20 No. Okay, so again 25:24 fruits as grown is the key, eat more of those you get full 25:29 and then you don't have these temptations. 25:31 And then be little careful with the snacks, 25:34 you know snacks foods are usually 25:36 not carrots or celery sticks, Okay. 25:39 so we have to very, very careful with those snacks. 25:41 Okay. These snacks are calorie dense. 25:44 The last point that I want to make is, 25:47 is that we probably should increase our daily walking, 25:50 Right? And perhaps, tie into professional, 25:54 emotional, social, and spiritual resources. 25:58 Okay, so number four was increase activity walking. 26:01 Yeah. Those types of things. 26:03 Half an hour a day. At least. 26:04 And then tying into these resources. 26:07 You know sometimes you need to have more 26:08 then just doing the right thing on your own, 26:11 sometimes you need to have a counselor, 26:12 you talk to pastor, you need to talk to psychologist. 26:15 Sometimes good to have some support group 26:17 oh, I like in CHIP program. 26:18 We've a group that is working with you. 26:20 Okay. And you mentioned 26:24 that last thing as spiritual, but really that probably 26:27 should be the first thing, don't you think? 26:30 Well, if people are comfort with that, 26:32 not everybody is comfort for digging 26:34 into the spiritual resources. 26:37 It's the most powerful, it's the most life changing 26:42 and empowering relation we can find, 26:44 and I like to even introduce that to people to pursue that. 26:48 And in the CHIP program of course, you know, 26:50 you start with science, which is God's second 26:53 book documenting that all these scientific things 26:56 that is really spiritual when you think about it, 26:58 because it really is God's principles. 27:01 They are packaged in scientific research. 27:03 But when people come to have that personal relationship 27:06 with others and that CHIP environment they ultimately 27:10 are being introduced to spiritual concepts. 27:13 You know, Don, for those people who are comfortable 27:16 in folding their hands again, 27:18 there's nothing more powerful then bringing the ultimate power 27:22 in the universe to come to bare on a problem 27:26 that is very large and very different 27:28 to come out on your own. 27:30 Dr. Diehl, thank you so much for being with us today, 27:32 sharing these principles which are powerful principles 27:36 and thank you for being with us today. 27:38 If have more questions and you like to understand more 27:41 of Dr. Diehl's Coronary Health Improvement program, 27:45 the CHIP program, go to chiphealth.com 27:48 We're glad you joined us today and we hope that as a result 27:50 of putting these principles into practice 27:52 you have health that lasts for a lifetime. |
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