Participants: Don Mackintosh (Host), Hans Diehl
Series Code: HFAL
Program Code: HFAL000230
00:49 Hello, and welcome to Health for a Lifetime.
00:51 I'm your host, Don Mackintosh. 00:52 Today we're going to be talking about a very important subject, 00:55 heart disease, actually deadly plaques that can build up in the 00:59 heart, and how to reverse them. 01:00 And talking with us today about this important subject is 01:03 Dr. Hans Diehl. 01:04 Well, welcome. 01:05 We're glad you're with us today. 01:07 Thanks for making the trip from Loma Linda. 01:09 You've lived there for a number of years and developed an 01:13 exciting program called The Coronary Health Improvement 01:17 Project. 01:18 It's a long word isn't it? 01:19 Or the CHIP program. 01:20 Much easier; CHIP. 01:21 Yes, CHIP. 01:22 So coronary, that's the arteries, the coronary arteries 01:25 of the heart. 01:27 And you want to improve that. 01:29 That's right. 01:30 So, that's probably related to this topic today: 01:32 Reversing Deadly Plaques. 01:34 Yep. 01:35 You know, heart disease is the number one killer in our 01:38 society responsible for every second death. 01:41 A hundred years ago it was difficult to find this disease. 01:45 Coronary artery disease was hardly known. 01:48 They couldn't find it. 01:50 Today it's the number one killer disease in our society. 01:53 And yet, people have the idea that with heart disease there 01:55 must be something wrong with the heart muscle. 02:00 And they often fail to understand, as you see on this 02:03 graphic here, that it's the arteries, the coronary arteries, 02:09 that are the pipes that are supposed to bring oxygenated 02:13 blood to the heart muscle. 02:15 They become corroded; they become narrowed down. 02:19 I have a roll-in that might perhaps illustrate this 02:21 a bit better. 02:22 Do you want to take a look at it? 02:23 Sure, we can look at that and see what happens here. 02:26 It showed up, so to speak, when I was working on the anesthesia 02:29 service, learning how to put people to sleep. 02:31 I was seeing my patients for the next days surgery, 02:34 for coronary artery bypass surgery, in order to bypass 02:37 clogged arteries in their heart. 02:38 Because it was late at night, I drew the man's blood test, 02:43 and when I took the blood to the laboratory and had it processed, 02:46 I couldn't believe my eyes. 02:47 Now, normally this liquid layer floating on top of the blood 02:51 clot is quite transparent. 02:53 It's yellow, but quite clear; you can see right through it. 02:55 The blood in this patient's tube, however, 02:58 was anything but clear. 02:59 The serum floating on his clot was thick and greasy white. 03:03 It looked like glue. 03:04 In fact it stuck to the sides of the blood tube when I shook 03:07 the tube. 03:08 I went back to the patient. 03:09 I said, "Mr. Phillips, did you eat before you came to the 03:12 hospital tonight?" 03:13 He said, "Yes. " 03:14 I said, "What did you have?" 03:15 He said, "I had a cheeseburger and a milkshake. " 03:17 And when he said that, I realized that what I was looking 03:21 at in his tube was all the fat in the beef burger, 03:25 all the butterfat in the cheese, and the butterfat in the 03:27 ice cream, and in the milkshake. 03:29 And all this fat had oozed out into his blood and actually 03:32 turned his blood fatty. 03:34 Well, 30, 40, 50 years of keeping your blood very fatty 03:38 creates changes in the blood vessels that are very dangerous. 03:42 Over the years arteries can become clogged 03:46 with fatty material. 03:47 Then a blood clot can form, blocking the 03:50 blood flow completely. 03:51 If the artery leads to the heart, the lack of oxygen can 03:56 cause heart muscle to die. 03:57 That's a heart attack. 03:58 If the clogged artery leads to the brain, 04:01 the patient has a stroke. 04:07 The next morning we took Mr. Phillips to the operating 04:09 room, and I put him to sleep, and the surgeon 04:11 opened up his chest. 04:15 And from these arteries he began pulling out yellow, 04:18 greasy deposits of fatty material called Atherosclerosis. 04:23 Can just thirty days bring a drastic change for the better in 04:28 your health? 04:29 Wow! 04:30 So in that surgery they were actually pulling out 04:32 these Atherosclerosis. 04:34 Someone told me that Atherosclerosis means 04:36 hard and soft. 04:38 Those must have been the more soft deposits they were 04:41 pulling out there. 04:42 Yeah, this is what narrows the diameter of the artery 04:45 so you don't bring enough nutrients with the blood to the 04:49 heart muscle, and to other parts of the body. 04:52 So, heart attacks come from this, all kinds of things, 04:56 because wherever the circulation goes, if it cuts off and 04:58 you get a stroke. 04:59 And I suppose if it cuts off the supply to the reproductive 05:04 organs you're impotent. 05:06 So these are things that we don't want to take lightly. 05:09 No, as a matter of fact, you can also have hearing and vision 05:13 impairment because you don't bring enough oxygenated 05:16 blood and nutrients to these organs. 05:18 Or senility: part of the memory loss is directly associated to 05:22 the vessels, the arteries to the brain, no longer being able to 05:25 bring adequate oxygen to the areas. 05:28 It's a very, very deadly situation. 05:30 Well, with these heart attacks, you know it said that you 05:32 looked at that blood tube, and there was the fat from the 05:35 beef and all those different things, 05:37 the blood fat was increased. 05:40 I often saw a lot of heart attacks in the morning in the 05:45 emergency room, right after that big, huge, fat laden breakfast. 05:50 Is this the reason I was seeing those? 05:53 Probably true. 05:54 Okay. 05:55 So this is a process that begins when? 05:58 You know, people thought it happens when you're 60 or 70. 06:01 They thought, well, you know, I can make some lifestyle 06:03 changes when I'm getting close to that age. 06:05 Now we can realize that this is happening to teenagers. 06:11 Take a look at that next slide. 06:12 You see the progression there. 06:13 We're born with thin arteries. 06:16 By the time we're at 20 years of age we already have 20% 06:20 narrowing of the coronary arteries. 06:22 By the time you're 45 to 50 years half of the diameter is 06:25 already taken up by these plaques, and look, at 70 06:28 you're just barely making it. 06:30 So this is something that we really need to be concerned 06:34 about when we're born. 06:35 But we're not able to think about it when we're born, 06:38 so our parents need to be feeding us the right things. 06:41 Yeah, we cannot start early enough, can we? 06:44 Okay, so what is it then that happens? 06:48 What does this cause? 06:49 We've seen it's caused this, but what is the process? 06:51 How do we have that heart attack? 06:55 People have said, "He was so healthy!" 06:57 But then he had that big one. 06:59 What happens? 07:00 How could it have happened, right? 07:01 Right. 07:02 I mean he looked so good. 07:03 I've heard that many times. 07:05 A random act. 07:06 Oh no. 07:07 Let's take a look at the next one. 07:08 Here you see what the arteries are not supposed to look like. 07:11 You see the narrowing there? 07:13 This is the plaque buildup in this particular area there. 07:16 You see the yellow material? 07:17 This is the cholesterol and the fat buildup that you saw 07:20 on the roll-in. 07:21 But you see here, if that small pathway gets obstructed with 07:26 a blood clot, it interrupts the blood flow to the heart muscle, 07:29 and that's what we call an infarction. 07:31 That's a heart attack. 07:33 That's usually a life threatening event. 07:37 Now you know, I used to work in different parts of the hospital, 07:41 and I saw someone that was as young as 14 have a heart attack. 07:44 So it's not just for someone that's 20, 30, 40. 07:49 It can even hit in the teens. 07:51 Is this something that is happening more as obesity 07:54 goes up in America? 07:55 Are more and more young people having heart attacks? 07:57 Yes, we are seeing younger people at higher risk now 08:01 than perhaps 20 or 30 years ago. 08:03 It has to do with this special risk arch. 08:07 And that risk arch, from that frame we are studying, you see 08:10 certain risk factors identified. 08:11 Take a look here. 08:12 These are largely under the control of our diet; how we eat. 08:16 You see the cholesterol as the most powerful one, followed by 08:20 smoking and high blood pressure; those deadly three up there. 08:22 Why are they different colors? 08:24 Well, the red is usually diet related. 08:27 Okay. 08:28 The orange is a lifestyle related type of thing. 08:30 When you go to the left you see the diabetes, you see obesity; 08:34 both diet related. 08:35 And on the right hand side you go down to the triglycerides, 08:38 these blood fats, and then you have inactive life and stress. 08:41 What about age, genes, and gender? 08:43 You have those in green. 08:44 What does that mean? 08:45 They are also contributing to this disease process, 08:47 but there is not really much you can do about changing your age 08:50 or your gender. 08:51 Well, if you're thinking about doing that, 08:55 it probably won't help. 08:56 Right? 08:57 It doesn't help in terms of your coronary artery disease. 09:00 Okay, so these in the red boxes there: diabetes, hypertension, 09:06 cholesterol, triglycerides, obesity; those are all things 09:11 that we can do something about. 09:13 Yes, especially as related to our diet. 09:16 You can also do something about the exercise. 09:19 You can do something about handling your stress 09:21 more appropriately. 09:23 And you can do something about your smoking. 09:24 But the red boxes, you are right, this is something 09:27 where we can make a significant difference because of what we 09:31 put between our lips: food. 09:33 And we don't have to smoke either. 09:35 We don't have to smoke either, that's right. 09:36 Alright, so we get this, you said, from the Framingham study. 09:43 What do you mean? 09:44 That's sort of the ultimate, gold standard study that 09:49 has been going on for fifty years. 09:51 It identified that these factors are driving this 09:55 disease; atherosclerosis, the narrowing of the arteries. 09:59 And what's very, very interesting is that we began to 10:02 understand, after World War II, that these plaques can actually 10:08 be reversing themselves. 10:10 You don't have to have this disease. 10:12 If you have 50-60% there's every good reason you can regress. 10:18 So how did World War II help us understand this? 10:21 Well, when the Nazi tanks crossed the Polish boundary 10:31 people found themselves, millions of people, 10:35 thrown into a massive dietary experiment. 10:40 You see, the Nazi army took all the food stuffs of the occupied 10:45 country to feed their troops. 10:47 So these people now had to live on very, very simple foods. 10:50 They had to grow their own food in their own back yards. 10:53 And as this happened, within a year to two years, you could see 10:56 a dramatic decline... in heart disease, 11:00 in diabetes, in high blood pressure, and in cancer rates. 11:04 I think you have a graphic on this that shows that actually. 11:07 I do. 11:08 Here you see it in short order. 11:10 On the left hand side you see the number of deaths 11:15 from coronary disease. 11:17 Then you move from 1936 through 1939; World War II begins, 11:21 and within a year you can see a dramatic decline in the number 11:25 of coronary deaths per 10,000 people. 11:28 And this is because the Germans took all the bad food, 11:31 and all they had left was good food. 11:32 Well, we didn't know at the time it was bad food. 11:36 What they basically did was they took all the livestock 11:38 to feed their armies. 11:39 We have begun to understand now, a little bit more, 11:42 that when you have livestock you have a diet that is very high in 11:45 animal fat; cholesterol. 11:47 So these are contributing to the disease. 11:50 If you have less of this, apparently from World War II 11:53 we learned for the first time, that you can actually 11:56 decrease these diseases. 11:58 So they saw this across the board. 11:59 This got the attention of the researchers. 12:02 Yeah, they were actually amazed. 12:03 Uh huh. 12:04 And you see, then they follow it up and they say now if this 12:08 is really related to diet, what would happen as the countries 12:13 begin to get back on their feet again, and over time adopt their 12:17 previously fairly rich diet? 12:19 What would happen to the low disease rates for heart disease, 12:23 diabetes and so on? 12:24 And that's what they did. 12:25 Taking a look back at this previous graphic, he could see 12:29 again what happens: World War II... 12:31 a, it goes down. 12:32 ...it goes down, then it flattens out, and it stays there 12:34 for about twenty years- just about. 12:36 And then what happens? 12:37 It goes up again. 12:39 Is that when they said, what was it, FDR, 12:41 or someone said, "A chicken in every pot"? 12:43 You're probably right. 12:44 So when the chickens came back, and the piggy's came home, 12:47 so did the heart disease. 12:48 That's right! 12:49 You know, there was a professor in Belgium. 12:52 He was very famous. 12:53 He was a pathologist: Professor Paccar. 12:56 Everybody wanted to study with this famous pathologist. 13:00 He was the first one to observe, as he was doing autopsies, 13:06 that the arteries, towards the end of World War II, 13:10 were much cleaner. 13:11 They were wider. 13:12 They were more open. 13:14 He said, "Isn't that amazing?" 13:15 World War II with all of the stress, and anxiety, 13:19 actually did not cause more narrowing of these 13:23 disease processes. 13:24 Then they said he was mumbling to himself in 1950-55-1960's. 13:32 Students were telling me actually, later on, that he was 13:36 mumbling under his breath, "They're coming back. 13:39 They're coming back!" 13:41 They're coming back. 13:42 Then finally one of the more courageous pathology residents 13:49 approached this famous professor and said, "Now Professor Paccar, 13:52 what is coming back?" 13:54 "What is coming back?" 13:55 He said, "Of course, the plaques... " 13:57 "... are coming back. " 13:59 ...You know, the narrowing of the arteries. 14:01 So, it's interesting that what we are taught something about, 14:04 you can diminish, and you can actually, later on, 14:06 increase these plaques. 14:08 Well, I guess there is some benefit that came out of 14:11 World War II. 14:12 Well, we've been talking with Dr. Hans Diehl. 14:15 We're talking about coronary artery disease, deadly plaques 14:19 and we've got some good news. 14:21 We learned from World War II that these plaques can be 14:24 stopped, and even perhaps reversed. 14:27 We're going to look at some exciting studies 14:29 when we come back. 14:32 Are you confused about the endless stream of new, 14:35 and often contradictory, health information, 14:38 with companies trying to sell new drugs, and special interest 14:41 groups paying for studies that spin the facts? 14:44 Where can you find a common sense approach to health? 14:47 One way is to ask for your free copy of... 15:31 Welcome back. 15:33 We've been talking with Dr. Hans Diehl. 15:34 We've been talking about heart disease, and deadly plaques. 15:37 And we've been talking about the fact that they can 15:39 actually be reversed. 15:41 Dr. Diehl this was good news coming out of World War II. 15:44 These risk factors were, first of all, kind of beginning to 15:47 percolate in the minds of scientists, 15:50 like that pathologist, and we saw that people's heart disease 15:55 actually came to a stop from 1939 to the 40's 15:59 and into the 50's. 16:00 And then came back. 16:02 And then came back when the piggy's came back. 16:05 Or when all of the meat products, and all of the 16:09 dairy products, the things that were not abundant during the 16:12 war, came back. 16:13 You know it created a lot of new research models. 16:18 They wondered, could we take human beings, feed them a very 16:23 rich diet, then after fifty years we ask these people, 16:27 "Would you please surrender your bodies now so they can do the 16:29 autopsies, and then we will know for sure what's happening?" 16:32 You know they thought about this and they said, "Well, 16:35 we probably won't find too many volunteers for this experiment. 16:38 So they began to think about other models, and they looked 16:42 at monkey studies. 16:44 So they looked at Rhesus monkeys, baboons, and said 16:47 baboons and monkeys are somewhat, in many ways, 16:50 somewhat similar to the human anatomy and physiology. 16:54 Maybe we can learn something from these experiments. 16:57 And here's what they did: they took these innocent looking 17:01 monkeys and forced them to eat a typical Western diet; 17:06 rich diet. 17:07 I'm sure the monkeys didn't appreciate it. 17:08 Well, they actually put the cholesterol into the bottle of 17:15 the usual drink that monkeys can live on. 17:18 They were actually fed these diets through bottles. 17:23 I see. 17:24 These were young Rhesus monkeys, not with larger specimens. 17:31 The one thing that is really standing out in my mind is 17:37 as the data came out, more, and more, and more, 17:39 that if you feed animals, especially monkeys, a rich diet, 17:46 they will always have heart disease coming up. 17:48 They did this experiment in Chicago. 17:51 They took a typical university hospital diet... 17:56 A hospital diet? 17:58 Well, that's hitting it close to home. 17:59 That's right. 18:00 And then they had these baboons, and they fed this typical 18:05 hospital diet to these baboons, and within nineteen months 18:09 the baboons had died of massive heart attacks. 18:11 Um, better stay out of the hospital. 18:13 Well, don't stay more than nineteen months. 18:15 That's right! 18:16 Man, so just this typical hospital diet... 18:20 Well, you know, it's just kind of a basically rich diet 18:26 that is not in the best interest of people. 18:29 So then they ask the question, now what would happen if we took 18:31 a colony of experimental monkeys, and we fed them 18:35 different kinds of diets, and we create this atherosclerotic 18:39 plaque in the arteries. 18:40 Then we give them different diets once they have 18:43 about 80% narrowing. 18:44 We give them a very simple diet. 18:46 Okay. 18:48 We would give them a diet that was perhaps found in developing 18:53 countries-like a lot of potatoes, and grains, and beans, 18:57 fruits and vegetables-simple foods. 18:59 What would happen to these monkeys? 19:01 When they did that, then what happened? 19:02 Well, they were absolutely astounded. 19:04 Within two years they found that instead of there being 80% 19:07 narrowing, they actually have opened up 40%, 30%, and 20% 19:14 just in two years. 19:15 So the good news is you can turn it off. 19:19 You can reverse this disease, which is at the very basis 19:23 of most of our health problems in America today, 19:25 as far as chronic disease goes. 19:27 Now you have a program, called the CHIP program, that covers 19:31 all of these kinds of studies, and helps people see exactly 19:34 what you're describing to us. 19:36 But, under girding that, there were studies by a couple of 19:40 of other doctors, I think, you're going to share with us. 19:42 Yeah, there were quite a few researchers in the last thirty 19:47 years that have demonstrated, very successfully, that what 19:52 happens to monkeys and baboons can also happen to human beings. 19:55 It started some time ago with a man by the name of 19:58 Nathan Pritican. 19:59 Okay. 20:00 He was able to give people a very simple diet, even though 20:03 they had heart disease, and had tremendous, 20:05 tremendous improvements. 20:06 But we never knew. 20:08 Did it really open up these arteries, or did these people 20:11 just feel better? 20:13 Yes, they had less cholesterol, they had less weight, they had 20:16 less diabetes, but can you really open up these arteries 20:20 which often times; you know this plaque is like... 20:23 So you had to take a picture of those to get someone to do that. 20:26 Yes, and in those days we didn't have the technology in place. 20:29 Then along came a young cardiologist by the name of 20:32 Dr. Dean Hornish. 20:37 He took the Pritican concept of a very simple diet, 20:41 and added stress management to it. 20:45 And then he took some fifty patients with heart disease, 20:49 and divided them up into two groups. 20:51 One group would receive the typical American Heart 20:54 Association diet. 20:55 The other one received a very simple diet- 20:57 basically a vegetarian diet- foods as grown, very low in fat, 21:02 very low in salt. 21:03 I mean it's a very, very simple diet. 21:05 And here you see his picture. 21:08 Um, okay. 21:09 You can see the man that, apparently, is shaking up 21:11 American medicine, because he basically challenged the idea 21:15 that maybe we don't need so many bypass surgeries. 21:20 We don't need that many angioplasties. 21:23 You know, maybe we can just tell people to make some simple 21:26 dietary changes, and you can accomplish the same thing 21:29 without all the risk of surgery. 21:31 So what happened? 21:33 Well, in one year of following a very simple dietary program, 21:39 plus exercise and stress management, he found that 21:43 the arteries had opened up again, and some 80% of 21:47 these people no longer had chest pain in their arteries 21:49 within weeks. 21:51 And they documented that as well with pictures. 21:54 Special angiographic pictures. 21:57 You could actually see how the arteries began to shrink down, 22:01 opening up again so that more blood could flow to the heart 22:04 muscle, and thus you can alleviate the chest pain. 22:08 This basically is what happens in the CHIP program as well. 22:12 That's a documentation of what your programs do. 22:14 What is it, about 40,000, 50,000 people now that have gone 22:17 through those; communities across the nation? 22:21 You have a web page called CHIP health. com, 22:25 and on that web page you can learn more about this if you 22:29 have an interest. 22:30 And many people are having an interest. 22:32 In fact there are some states here in America that the entire 22:35 state is looking into adopting this program, I hear. 22:38 The studies that Ornish did, and another one you're going to 22:43 share with us, kind of under gird what you're doing, 22:45 but you also have five or six studies now that are done 22:48 right on the CHIP program. 22:49 Isn't that right? 22:50 Yeah, our results have been validated consistently by 22:55 measuring the changes in cholesterol, the changes in 23:00 weight, in the rate of diabetes, and in hypertension. 23:05 You know this is all very, very well documented. 23:07 We're very excited about it, and we assume that if we had some 23:12 very special testing done that we probably could show, 23:17 within a years time, what Dr. Ornish showed; 23:20 that you can actually open up these arteries again. 23:22 And one of the reasons for that is because there's another 23:25 doctor that's kind of done that. 23:26 I think you're going to talk with us about him now. 23:29 Yeah, as a matter of fact, we have a picture of him there. 23:32 Here's Dr. Esselstyne. 23:34 Dr. Esselstyne has been involved in a major study at the famous 23:39 Cleveland Clinic. 23:41 What he did, he took a patient with heart disease and he said, 23:43 because we can no longer operate on you, 23:47 (there were certain limitations to doing bypass surgeries on 23:52 these patients), why don't you come into my program, 23:55 and I put you on a very, very simple diet 23:57 similar to Dr. Ornish's? 23:58 Now what he did differently was he did introduce 24:01 stress management, and he didn't have them walking as such. 24:06 He just said, "I want you to really bring your cholesterol 24:09 down by eating a very simple diet. " 24:11 Because his idea was if I get the cholesterol down to 150-160, 24:14 160, 150, that's the same as about 4.0 in Canada. 24:19 If we can bring this down with diet alone, we can probably 24:24 demonstrate that diet is a very powerful factor. 24:28 And that's exactly what he did. 24:29 On the next graphic you see the actual regression 24:34 of this disease. 24:35 On the left side, on the very left side, 24:36 you see the narrowed artery, at the top left there. 24:40 See the narrowing there? 24:41 Yeah, and then I see that black line on the right side. 24:44 Is that where it was before? 24:45 That's where it is. 24:46 And then you see it on the right hand side? 24:47 You see it wide open there. 24:49 This is a 30% regression in the right coronary artery 24:54 in a 50-54 year old man. 24:55 Now he has not just done this in one patient. 24:59 He has now a number of patients that he has followed for over 25:04 12, it's actually 18 years now, and the results 25:08 are absolutely tantalizing. 25:10 Uh hum, so in other words, when we say regression, 25:12 it just opens up. 25:14 It opens up. 25:16 And that happens consistently if you get the cholesterol 25:19 below 150. 25:21 That's correct. 25:22 He did this mainly with diet, and if necessary 25:24 with some medication. 25:25 You see, it's not just the artery opening up to the heart 25:30 muscle, the coronary arteries, which would help with 25:34 heart disease, but you're talking about all of the major 25:38 arteries in the body that begin to open up. 25:40 So you have less to worry about impotence. 25:43 Uh huh. 25:45 You have less to worry about gangrene in diabetics, 25:48 which often leads to amputations. 25:50 You have less to worry about the possibility of narrowed 25:53 arteries to the brain, and strokes, hearing loss, 25:58 and vision loss. 25:59 This is big time! 26:01 So these physicians have done this elegant research 26:05 that's generally documenting something that common sense 26:09 pretty much tells people. 26:11 You always hear: eat your vegetables, eat your fruits, 26:14 get away from those things that are not good for you. 26:16 And what you do in the CHIP program is really help people 26:19 know how to do this. 26:20 Yeah, but you know, that which is common sense is often times 26:25 not very commonly done. 26:26 Uh huh. 26:27 So we're trying to bring the scientific data from studies 26:33 around the world, to come into a program of forty hours 26:37 of instruction, so people can make wiser choices, 26:40 better choices, adopting a simpler diet, a better diet, 26:45 do something about their exercise, do something about 26:48 their stress, and perhaps begin to recognize that we are 26:50 "wonderfully and fearfully made. " 26:53 Well, I mean, that's kind of the bottom line. 26:55 Ultimately science has just really a documentation of what 27:00 God has set in place. 27:02 Am I right, or am I wrong? 27:03 And this really shows the power of God's plan for man. 27:09 That's absolutely right. 27:13 We have the responsibility, we have an opportunity to be good 27:16 stewards of that which was entrusted to us, the ultimate 27:20 engineering marvel; the human body. 27:23 Now think about it; 60,000 miles of circulatory system! 27:28 Perfect health depends largely on perfect circulation, 27:32 and we can change that by adopting a simple lifestyle. 27:36 Thank you so much for being with us Dr. Diehl, 27:38 and thank you for being with us today as well. 27:41 If you want more information go to www. chip health. org. 27:45 We're glad that you've been with us today, and we hope that you 27:48 can put these principles into practice, and as a result 27:51 have health that lasts, not just for now, but for a lifetime. |
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