Health for a Lifetime

Reversing Deadly Plaques

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Participants: Don Mackintosh (Host), Hans Diehl

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00:49 Hello, and welcome to Health for a Lifetime.
00:51 I'm your host, Don Mackintosh.
00:52 Today we're going to be talking about a very important subject,
00:55 heart disease, actually deadly plaques that can build up in the
00:59 heart, and how to reverse them.
01:00 And talking with us today about this important subject is
01:03 Dr. Hans Diehl.
01:04 Well, welcome.
01:05 We're glad you're with us today.
01:07 Thanks for making the trip from Loma Linda.
01:09 You've lived there for a number of years and developed an
01:13 exciting program called The Coronary Health Improvement
01:17 Project.
01:18 It's a long word isn't it?
01:19 Or the CHIP program.
01:20 Much easier; CHIP.
01:21 Yes, CHIP.
01:22 So coronary, that's the arteries, the coronary arteries
01:25 of the heart.
01:27 And you want to improve that.
01:29 That's right.
01:30 So, that's probably related to this topic today:
01:32 Reversing Deadly Plaques.
01:34 Yep.
01:35 You know, heart disease is the number one killer in our
01:38 society responsible for every second death.
01:41 A hundred years ago it was difficult to find this disease.
01:45 Coronary artery disease was hardly known.
01:48 They couldn't find it.
01:50 Today it's the number one killer disease in our society.
01:53 And yet, people have the idea that with heart disease there
01:55 must be something wrong with the heart muscle.
02:00 And they often fail to understand, as you see on this
02:03 graphic here, that it's the arteries, the coronary arteries,
02:09 that are the pipes that are supposed to bring oxygenated
02:13 blood to the heart muscle.
02:15 They become corroded; they become narrowed down.
02:19 I have a roll-in that might perhaps illustrate this
02:21 a bit better.
02:22 Do you want to take a look at it?
02:23 Sure, we can look at that and see what happens here.
02:26 It showed up, so to speak, when I was working on the anesthesia
02:29 service, learning how to put people to sleep.
02:31 I was seeing my patients for the next days surgery,
02:34 for coronary artery bypass surgery, in order to bypass
02:37 clogged arteries in their heart.
02:38 Because it was late at night, I drew the man's blood test,
02:43 and when I took the blood to the laboratory and had it processed,
02:46 I couldn't believe my eyes.
02:47 Now, normally this liquid layer floating on top of the blood
02:51 clot is quite transparent.
02:53 It's yellow, but quite clear; you can see right through it.
02:55 The blood in this patient's tube, however,
02:58 was anything but clear.
02:59 The serum floating on his clot was thick and greasy white.
03:03 It looked like glue.
03:04 In fact it stuck to the sides of the blood tube when I shook
03:07 the tube.
03:08 I went back to the patient.
03:09 I said, "Mr. Phillips, did you eat before you came to the
03:12 hospital tonight?"
03:13 He said, "Yes. "
03:14 I said, "What did you have?"
03:15 He said, "I had a cheeseburger and a milkshake. "
03:17 And when he said that, I realized that what I was looking
03:21 at in his tube was all the fat in the beef burger,
03:25 all the butterfat in the cheese, and the butterfat in the
03:27 ice cream, and in the milkshake.
03:29 And all this fat had oozed out into his blood and actually
03:32 turned his blood fatty.
03:34 Well, 30, 40, 50 years of keeping your blood very fatty
03:38 creates changes in the blood vessels that are very dangerous.
03:42 Over the years arteries can become clogged
03:46 with fatty material.
03:47 Then a blood clot can form, blocking the
03:50 blood flow completely.
03:51 If the artery leads to the heart, the lack of oxygen can
03:56 cause heart muscle to die.
03:57 That's a heart attack.
03:58 If the clogged artery leads to the brain,
04:01 the patient has a stroke.
04:07 The next morning we took Mr. Phillips to the operating
04:09 room, and I put him to sleep, and the surgeon
04:11 opened up his chest.
04:15 And from these arteries he began pulling out yellow,
04:18 greasy deposits of fatty material called Atherosclerosis.
04:23 Can just thirty days bring a drastic change for the better in
04:28 your health?
04:29 Wow!
04:30 So in that surgery they were actually pulling out
04:32 these Atherosclerosis.
04:34 Someone told me that Atherosclerosis means
04:36 hard and soft.
04:38 Those must have been the more soft deposits they were
04:41 pulling out there.
04:42 Yeah, this is what narrows the diameter of the artery
04:45 so you don't bring enough nutrients with the blood to the
04:49 heart muscle, and to other parts of the body.
04:52 So, heart attacks come from this, all kinds of things,
04:56 because wherever the circulation goes, if it cuts off and
04:58 you get a stroke.
04:59 And I suppose if it cuts off the supply to the reproductive
05:04 organs you're impotent.
05:06 So these are things that we don't want to take lightly.
05:09 No, as a matter of fact, you can also have hearing and vision
05:13 impairment because you don't bring enough oxygenated
05:16 blood and nutrients to these organs.
05:18 Or senility: part of the memory loss is directly associated to
05:22 the vessels, the arteries to the brain, no longer being able to
05:25 bring adequate oxygen to the areas.
05:28 It's a very, very deadly situation.
05:30 Well, with these heart attacks, you know it said that you
05:32 looked at that blood tube, and there was the fat from the
05:35 beef and all those different things,
05:37 the blood fat was increased.
05:40 I often saw a lot of heart attacks in the morning in the
05:45 emergency room, right after that big, huge, fat laden breakfast.
05:50 Is this the reason I was seeing those?
05:53 Probably true.
05:54 Okay.
05:55 So this is a process that begins when?
05:58 You know, people thought it happens when you're 60 or 70.
06:01 They thought, well, you know, I can make some lifestyle
06:03 changes when I'm getting close to that age.
06:05 Now we can realize that this is happening to teenagers.
06:11 Take a look at that next slide.
06:12 You see the progression there.
06:13 We're born with thin arteries.
06:16 By the time we're at 20 years of age we already have 20%
06:20 narrowing of the coronary arteries.
06:22 By the time you're 45 to 50 years half of the diameter is
06:25 already taken up by these plaques, and look, at 70
06:28 you're just barely making it.
06:30 So this is something that we really need to be concerned
06:34 about when we're born.
06:35 But we're not able to think about it when we're born,
06:38 so our parents need to be feeding us the right things.
06:41 Yeah, we cannot start early enough, can we?
06:44 Okay, so what is it then that happens?
06:48 What does this cause?
06:49 We've seen it's caused this, but what is the process?
06:51 How do we have that heart attack?
06:55 People have said, "He was so healthy!"
06:57 But then he had that big one.
06:59 What happens?
07:00 How could it have happened, right?
07:01 Right.
07:02 I mean he looked so good.
07:03 I've heard that many times.
07:05 A random act.
07:06 Oh no.
07:07 Let's take a look at the next one.
07:08 Here you see what the arteries are not supposed to look like.
07:11 You see the narrowing there?
07:13 This is the plaque buildup in this particular area there.
07:16 You see the yellow material?
07:17 This is the cholesterol and the fat buildup that you saw
07:20 on the roll-in.
07:21 But you see here, if that small pathway gets obstructed with
07:26 a blood clot, it interrupts the blood flow to the heart muscle,
07:29 and that's what we call an infarction.
07:31 That's a heart attack.
07:33 That's usually a life threatening event.
07:37 Now you know, I used to work in different parts of the hospital,
07:41 and I saw someone that was as young as 14 have a heart attack.
07:44 So it's not just for someone that's 20, 30, 40.
07:49 It can even hit in the teens.
07:51 Is this something that is happening more as obesity
07:54 goes up in America?
07:55 Are more and more young people having heart attacks?
07:57 Yes, we are seeing younger people at higher risk now
08:01 than perhaps 20 or 30 years ago.
08:03 It has to do with this special risk arch.
08:07 And that risk arch, from that frame we are studying, you see
08:10 certain risk factors identified.
08:11 Take a look here.
08:12 These are largely under the control of our diet; how we eat.
08:16 You see the cholesterol as the most powerful one, followed by
08:20 smoking and high blood pressure; those deadly three up there.
08:22 Why are they different colors?
08:24 Well, the red is usually diet related.
08:27 Okay.
08:28 The orange is a lifestyle related type of thing.
08:30 When you go to the left you see the diabetes, you see obesity;
08:34 both diet related.
08:35 And on the right hand side you go down to the triglycerides,
08:38 these blood fats, and then you have inactive life and stress.
08:41 What about age, genes, and gender?
08:43 You have those in green.
08:44 What does that mean?
08:45 They are also contributing to this disease process,
08:47 but there is not really much you can do about changing your age
08:50 or your gender.
08:51 Well, if you're thinking about doing that,
08:55 it probably won't help.
08:56 Right?
08:57 It doesn't help in terms of your coronary artery disease.
09:00 Okay, so these in the red boxes there: diabetes, hypertension,
09:06 cholesterol, triglycerides, obesity; those are all things
09:11 that we can do something about.
09:13 Yes, especially as related to our diet.
09:16 You can also do something about the exercise.
09:19 You can do something about handling your stress
09:21 more appropriately.
09:23 And you can do something about your smoking.
09:24 But the red boxes, you are right, this is something
09:27 where we can make a significant difference because of what we
09:31 put between our lips: food.
09:33 And we don't have to smoke either.
09:35 We don't have to smoke either, that's right.
09:36 Alright, so we get this, you said, from the Framingham study.
09:43 What do you mean?
09:44 That's sort of the ultimate, gold standard study that
09:49 has been going on for fifty years.
09:51 It identified that these factors are driving this
09:55 disease; atherosclerosis, the narrowing of the arteries.
09:59 And what's very, very interesting is that we began to
10:02 understand, after World War II, that these plaques can actually
10:08 be reversing themselves.
10:10 You don't have to have this disease.
10:12 If you have 50-60% there's every good reason you can regress.
10:18 So how did World War II help us understand this?
10:21 Well, when the Nazi tanks crossed the Polish boundary
10:31 people found themselves, millions of people,
10:35 thrown into a massive dietary experiment.
10:40 You see, the Nazi army took all the food stuffs of the occupied
10:45 country to feed their troops.
10:47 So these people now had to live on very, very simple foods.
10:50 They had to grow their own food in their own back yards.
10:53 And as this happened, within a year to two years, you could see
10:56 a dramatic decline... in heart disease,
11:00 in diabetes, in high blood pressure, and in cancer rates.
11:04 I think you have a graphic on this that shows that actually.
11:07 I do.
11:08 Here you see it in short order.
11:10 On the left hand side you see the number of deaths
11:15 from coronary disease.
11:17 Then you move from 1936 through 1939; World War II begins,
11:21 and within a year you can see a dramatic decline in the number
11:25 of coronary deaths per 10,000 people.
11:28 And this is because the Germans took all the bad food,
11:31 and all they had left was good food.
11:32 Well, we didn't know at the time it was bad food.
11:36 What they basically did was they took all the livestock
11:38 to feed their armies.
11:39 We have begun to understand now, a little bit more,
11:42 that when you have livestock you have a diet that is very high in
11:45 animal fat; cholesterol.
11:47 So these are contributing to the disease.
11:50 If you have less of this, apparently from World War II
11:53 we learned for the first time, that you can actually
11:56 decrease these diseases.
11:58 So they saw this across the board.
11:59 This got the attention of the researchers.
12:02 Yeah, they were actually amazed.
12:03 Uh huh.
12:04 And you see, then they follow it up and they say now if this
12:08 is really related to diet, what would happen as the countries
12:13 begin to get back on their feet again, and over time adopt their
12:17 previously fairly rich diet?
12:19 What would happen to the low disease rates for heart disease,
12:23 diabetes and so on?
12:24 And that's what they did.
12:25 Taking a look back at this previous graphic, he could see
12:29 again what happens: World War II...
12:31 a, it goes down.
12:32 ...it goes down, then it flattens out, and it stays there
12:34 for about twenty years- just about.
12:36 And then what happens?
12:37 It goes up again.
12:39 Is that when they said, what was it, FDR,
12:41 or someone said, "A chicken in every pot"?
12:43 You're probably right.
12:44 So when the chickens came back, and the piggy's came home,
12:47 so did the heart disease.
12:48 That's right!
12:49 You know, there was a professor in Belgium.
12:52 He was very famous.
12:53 He was a pathologist: Professor Paccar.
12:56 Everybody wanted to study with this famous pathologist.
13:00 He was the first one to observe, as he was doing autopsies,
13:06 that the arteries, towards the end of World War II,
13:10 were much cleaner.
13:11 They were wider.
13:12 They were more open.
13:14 He said, "Isn't that amazing?"
13:15 World War II with all of the stress, and anxiety,
13:19 actually did not cause more narrowing of these
13:23 disease processes.
13:24 Then they said he was mumbling to himself in 1950-55-1960's.
13:32 Students were telling me actually, later on, that he was
13:36 mumbling under his breath, "They're coming back.
13:39 They're coming back!"
13:41 They're coming back.
13:42 Then finally one of the more courageous pathology residents
13:49 approached this famous professor and said, "Now Professor Paccar,
13:52 what is coming back?"
13:54 "What is coming back?"
13:55 He said, "Of course, the plaques... "
13:57 "... are coming back. "
13:59 ...You know, the narrowing of the arteries.
14:01 So, it's interesting that what we are taught something about,
14:04 you can diminish, and you can actually, later on,
14:06 increase these plaques.
14:08 Well, I guess there is some benefit that came out of
14:11 World War II.
14:12 Well, we've been talking with Dr. Hans Diehl.
14:15 We're talking about coronary artery disease, deadly plaques
14:19 and we've got some good news.
14:21 We learned from World War II that these plaques can be
14:24 stopped, and even perhaps reversed.
14:27 We're going to look at some exciting studies
14:29 when we come back.
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14:35 and often contradictory, health information,
14:38 with companies trying to sell new drugs, and special interest
14:41 groups paying for studies that spin the facts?
14:44 Where can you find a common sense approach to health?
14:47 One way is to ask for your free copy of...
15:31 Welcome back.
15:33 We've been talking with Dr. Hans Diehl.
15:34 We've been talking about heart disease, and deadly plaques.
15:37 And we've been talking about the fact that they can
15:39 actually be reversed.
15:41 Dr. Diehl this was good news coming out of World War II.
15:44 These risk factors were, first of all, kind of beginning to
15:47 percolate in the minds of scientists,
15:50 like that pathologist, and we saw that people's heart disease
15:55 actually came to a stop from 1939 to the 40's
15:59 and into the 50's.
16:00 And then came back.
16:02 And then came back when the piggy's came back.
16:05 Or when all of the meat products, and all of the
16:09 dairy products, the things that were not abundant during the
16:12 war, came back.
16:13 You know it created a lot of new research models.
16:18 They wondered, could we take human beings, feed them a very
16:23 rich diet, then after fifty years we ask these people,
16:27 "Would you please surrender your bodies now so they can do the
16:29 autopsies, and then we will know for sure what's happening?"
16:32 You know they thought about this and they said, "Well,
16:35 we probably won't find too many volunteers for this experiment.
16:38 So they began to think about other models, and they looked
16:42 at monkey studies.
16:44 So they looked at Rhesus monkeys, baboons, and said
16:47 baboons and monkeys are somewhat, in many ways,
16:50 somewhat similar to the human anatomy and physiology.
16:54 Maybe we can learn something from these experiments.
16:57 And here's what they did: they took these innocent looking
17:01 monkeys and forced them to eat a typical Western diet;
17:06 rich diet.
17:07 I'm sure the monkeys didn't appreciate it.
17:08 Well, they actually put the cholesterol into the bottle of
17:15 the usual drink that monkeys can live on.
17:18 They were actually fed these diets through bottles.
17:23 I see.
17:24 These were young Rhesus monkeys, not with larger specimens.
17:31 The one thing that is really standing out in my mind is
17:37 as the data came out, more, and more, and more,
17:39 that if you feed animals, especially monkeys, a rich diet,
17:46 they will always have heart disease coming up.
17:48 They did this experiment in Chicago.
17:51 They took a typical university hospital diet...
17:56 A hospital diet?
17:58 Well, that's hitting it close to home.
17:59 That's right.
18:00 And then they had these baboons, and they fed this typical
18:05 hospital diet to these baboons, and within nineteen months
18:09 the baboons had died of massive heart attacks.
18:11 Um, better stay out of the hospital.
18:13 Well, don't stay more than nineteen months.
18:15 That's right!
18:16 Man, so just this typical hospital diet...
18:20 Well, you know, it's just kind of a basically rich diet
18:26 that is not in the best interest of people.
18:29 So then they ask the question, now what would happen if we took
18:31 a colony of experimental monkeys, and we fed them
18:35 different kinds of diets, and we create this atherosclerotic
18:39 plaque in the arteries.
18:40 Then we give them different diets once they have
18:43 about 80% narrowing.
18:44 We give them a very simple diet.
18:46 Okay.
18:48 We would give them a diet that was perhaps found in developing
18:53 countries-like a lot of potatoes, and grains, and beans,
18:57 fruits and vegetables-simple foods.
18:59 What would happen to these monkeys?
19:01 When they did that, then what happened?
19:02 Well, they were absolutely astounded.
19:04 Within two years they found that instead of there being 80%
19:07 narrowing, they actually have opened up 40%, 30%, and 20%
19:14 just in two years.
19:15 So the good news is you can turn it off.
19:19 You can reverse this disease, which is at the very basis
19:23 of most of our health problems in America today,
19:25 as far as chronic disease goes.
19:27 Now you have a program, called the CHIP program, that covers
19:31 all of these kinds of studies, and helps people see exactly
19:34 what you're describing to us.
19:36 But, under girding that, there were studies by a couple of
19:40 of other doctors, I think, you're going to share with us.
19:42 Yeah, there were quite a few researchers in the last thirty
19:47 years that have demonstrated, very successfully, that what
19:52 happens to monkeys and baboons can also happen to human beings.
19:55 It started some time ago with a man by the name of
19:58 Nathan Pritican.
19:59 Okay.
20:00 He was able to give people a very simple diet, even though
20:03 they had heart disease, and had tremendous,
20:05 tremendous improvements.
20:06 But we never knew.
20:08 Did it really open up these arteries, or did these people
20:11 just feel better?
20:13 Yes, they had less cholesterol, they had less weight, they had
20:16 less diabetes, but can you really open up these arteries
20:20 which often times; you know this plaque is like...
20:23 So you had to take a picture of those to get someone to do that.
20:26 Yes, and in those days we didn't have the technology in place.
20:29 Then along came a young cardiologist by the name of
20:32 Dr. Dean Hornish.
20:37 He took the Pritican concept of a very simple diet,
20:41 and added stress management to it.
20:45 And then he took some fifty patients with heart disease,
20:49 and divided them up into two groups.
20:51 One group would receive the typical American Heart
20:54 Association diet.
20:55 The other one received a very simple diet-
20:57 basically a vegetarian diet- foods as grown, very low in fat,
21:02 very low in salt.
21:03 I mean it's a very, very simple diet.
21:05 And here you see his picture.
21:08 Um, okay.
21:09 You can see the man that, apparently, is shaking up
21:11 American medicine, because he basically challenged the idea
21:15 that maybe we don't need so many bypass surgeries.
21:20 We don't need that many angioplasties.
21:23 You know, maybe we can just tell people to make some simple
21:26 dietary changes, and you can accomplish the same thing
21:29 without all the risk of surgery.
21:31 So what happened?
21:33 Well, in one year of following a very simple dietary program,
21:39 plus exercise and stress management, he found that
21:43 the arteries had opened up again, and some 80% of
21:47 these people no longer had chest pain in their arteries
21:49 within weeks.
21:51 And they documented that as well with pictures.
21:54 Special angiographic pictures.
21:57 You could actually see how the arteries began to shrink down,
22:01 opening up again so that more blood could flow to the heart
22:04 muscle, and thus you can alleviate the chest pain.
22:08 This basically is what happens in the CHIP program as well.
22:12 That's a documentation of what your programs do.
22:14 What is it, about 40,000, 50,000 people now that have gone
22:17 through those; communities across the nation?
22:21 You have a web page called CHIP health. com,
22:25 and on that web page you can learn more about this if you
22:29 have an interest.
22:30 And many people are having an interest.
22:32 In fact there are some states here in America that the entire
22:35 state is looking into adopting this program, I hear.
22:38 The studies that Ornish did, and another one you're going to
22:43 share with us, kind of under gird what you're doing,
22:45 but you also have five or six studies now that are done
22:48 right on the CHIP program.
22:49 Isn't that right?
22:50 Yeah, our results have been validated consistently by
22:55 measuring the changes in cholesterol, the changes in
23:00 weight, in the rate of diabetes, and in hypertension.
23:05 You know this is all very, very well documented.
23:07 We're very excited about it, and we assume that if we had some
23:12 very special testing done that we probably could show,
23:17 within a years time, what Dr. Ornish showed;
23:20 that you can actually open up these arteries again.
23:22 And one of the reasons for that is because there's another
23:25 doctor that's kind of done that.
23:26 I think you're going to talk with us about him now.
23:29 Yeah, as a matter of fact, we have a picture of him there.
23:32 Here's Dr. Esselstyne.
23:34 Dr. Esselstyne has been involved in a major study at the famous
23:39 Cleveland Clinic.
23:41 What he did, he took a patient with heart disease and he said,
23:43 because we can no longer operate on you,
23:47 (there were certain limitations to doing bypass surgeries on
23:52 these patients), why don't you come into my program,
23:55 and I put you on a very, very simple diet
23:57 similar to Dr. Ornish's?
23:58 Now what he did differently was he did introduce
24:01 stress management, and he didn't have them walking as such.
24:06 He just said, "I want you to really bring your cholesterol
24:09 down by eating a very simple diet. "
24:11 Because his idea was if I get the cholesterol down to 150-160,
24:14 160, 150, that's the same as about 4.0 in Canada.
24:19 If we can bring this down with diet alone, we can probably
24:24 demonstrate that diet is a very powerful factor.
24:28 And that's exactly what he did.
24:29 On the next graphic you see the actual regression
24:34 of this disease.
24:35 On the left side, on the very left side,
24:36 you see the narrowed artery, at the top left there.
24:40 See the narrowing there?
24:41 Yeah, and then I see that black line on the right side.
24:44 Is that where it was before?
24:45 That's where it is.
24:46 And then you see it on the right hand side?
24:47 You see it wide open there.
24:49 This is a 30% regression in the right coronary artery
24:54 in a 50-54 year old man.
24:55 Now he has not just done this in one patient.
24:59 He has now a number of patients that he has followed for over
25:04 12, it's actually 18 years now, and the results
25:08 are absolutely tantalizing.
25:10 Uh hum, so in other words, when we say regression,
25:12 it just opens up.
25:14 It opens up.
25:16 And that happens consistently if you get the cholesterol
25:19 below 150.
25:21 That's correct.
25:22 He did this mainly with diet, and if necessary
25:24 with some medication.
25:25 You see, it's not just the artery opening up to the heart
25:30 muscle, the coronary arteries, which would help with
25:34 heart disease, but you're talking about all of the major
25:38 arteries in the body that begin to open up.
25:40 So you have less to worry about impotence.
25:43 Uh huh.
25:45 You have less to worry about gangrene in diabetics,
25:48 which often leads to amputations.
25:50 You have less to worry about the possibility of narrowed
25:53 arteries to the brain, and strokes, hearing loss,
25:58 and vision loss.
25:59 This is big time!
26:01 So these physicians have done this elegant research
26:05 that's generally documenting something that common sense
26:09 pretty much tells people.
26:11 You always hear: eat your vegetables, eat your fruits,
26:14 get away from those things that are not good for you.
26:16 And what you do in the CHIP program is really help people
26:19 know how to do this.
26:20 Yeah, but you know, that which is common sense is often times
26:25 not very commonly done.
26:26 Uh huh.
26:27 So we're trying to bring the scientific data from studies
26:33 around the world, to come into a program of forty hours
26:37 of instruction, so people can make wiser choices,
26:40 better choices, adopting a simpler diet, a better diet,
26:45 do something about their exercise, do something about
26:48 their stress, and perhaps begin to recognize that we are
26:50 "wonderfully and fearfully made. "
26:53 Well, I mean, that's kind of the bottom line.
26:55 Ultimately science has just really a documentation of what
27:00 God has set in place.
27:02 Am I right, or am I wrong?
27:03 And this really shows the power of God's plan for man.
27:09 That's absolutely right.
27:13 We have the responsibility, we have an opportunity to be good
27:16 stewards of that which was entrusted to us, the ultimate
27:20 engineering marvel; the human body.
27:23 Now think about it; 60,000 miles of circulatory system!
27:28 Perfect health depends largely on perfect circulation,
27:32 and we can change that by adopting a simple lifestyle.
27:36 Thank you so much for being with us Dr. Diehl,
27:38 and thank you for being with us today as well.
27:41 If you want more information go to www. chip health. org.
27:45 We're glad that you've been with us today, and we hope that you
27:48 can put these principles into practice, and as a result
27:51 have health that lasts, not just for now, but for a lifetime.


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