Health for a Lifetime

Heart Pt. 2

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Participants: Don Mackintosh (Host), Neil Nedley

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00:50 Hello and welcome to Health For A Lifetime.
00:51 I'm your host Don Mackintosh, we're glad
00:53 you've joined us today, we're gonna be
00:54 talking about heart disease and some good
00:57 news. Even though it's the number one killer
00:59 in the world and very significant here in the
01:01 West, there are some things we can do to
01:03 reverse it. Talking with us today is Dr. Neil
01:06 Nedley, welcome Dr. Nedley. Thank you and
01:08 glad to be here Don. Now, you have some sub
01:11 sub specialties, you're Internal Medicine
01:13 specialist but you see a lot of heart patients.
01:16 That's right Internal Medicine, and lot,
01:18 lot of people don't know what that is but it's
01:20 specializes in adult diseases of the internal
01:23 organs. And so, of course the heart is an
01:26 internal organ, the liver's an internal
01:28 organ, the lungs are internal organ.
01:31 And we're often called in when multiple organs
01:34 are having problems or when somewhat thing
01:38 is going wrong with the patient and no one
01:40 really knows what it is. So, someone who can put
01:42 all these internal organ problems in prospective.
01:47 Okay, so a cardiologist is an internal medicine
01:50 specialist, didn't even look at the heart more.
01:52 That's right, he's going to look at the heart
01:55 really exclusively, okay, and forget some of the
01:58 other aspects of internal medicine. And so,
02:01 that's where I have to referee that sometimes,
02:03 the heart, you know the cardiologist want more
02:05 fluids so that the heart can pump better. And the
02:08 pulmonologist is wanting less fluids so that
02:11 the lungs can dry out and there can be more
02:13 oxygen there. And so, so they go to the referee
02:16 which is you. That's often the case, yeah.
02:19 Okay, we're talking about heart disease and
02:22 first of all how big a problem is it, to
02:25 give us kind of a prospective. And, and
02:28 first of all in the West and then in the world.
02:30 Well, it is the biggest killer in the entire
02:32 world, in the US, one out of, one death is
02:37 occurring every 33 seconds from
02:39 atherosclerosis. Huge numbers of people die
02:43 from this disease, every year about 4,
02:45 every day I should say about 4 Jumbo Jets
02:48 worth, in America, in America. And we know
02:51 enough about this disease to normally prevent
02:54 it, but actually if you have coronary disease.
02:57 The good news is that we now know it can be
03:00 reversed through diet in lifestyle measures.
03:03 Okay, and is it fair to say that this is
03:07 a relatively new disease? No, it's been around
03:10 for a longtime, the Egyptians we're studying
03:13 and they were found to have coronary disease.
03:17 Many Egyptians died from, you know the,
03:19 the reason why Egyptians were studied because
03:21 they made mummies out of them, so they'll go
03:23 look in their arteries and found out there
03:26 indeed many of them died prematurely from
03:28 coronary artery disease, they were eating a lot
03:30 of the same foods that we do. Okay, so I,
03:33 I guess another way to put that question is,
03:35 is it associated with affluent lifestyle?
03:40 It is, we don't see coronary artery disease
03:45 among the rural Chinese for instance, there are
03:48 not very affluent. They can only afford the
03:51 plant, world vegetables, whole plant foods is
03:55 what they tend to eat and they don't have
03:58 coronary artery disease, okay. So, often
04:00 the more affluent you get the greater the risk,
04:04 although fortunately many people effluents
04:06 in this country are wising up to what causes
04:09 it. And so, they're eating a more plant
04:12 based diet to prevent it and a lot of the less
04:14 of affluent people don't have the access to
04:16 this knowledge. And so, they're still eating their
04:19 Twinkies, ice cream and pizza and you know
04:22 chicken and beef and not realizing what
04:25 it's doing to them. Before we get to exactly
04:28 how to reverse it just one of the thing, how
04:30 soon does it start in someone's life,
04:32 this coronary artery disease? Oh it can begin
04:36 in infancy, Dr. Berenson did the Bogalusa Heart
04:40 study in children and he found out that those
04:44 fatty streaks begin infancy in some
04:46 individuals. Particularly those that are consuming
04:49 cow's milk in infancy, but later on 10, 12, 14,
04:53 age 18 you'll see the fatty streaks in the
04:56 order, so atherosclerosis is beginning infancy
04:59 and it just progresses there after. So, really
05:01 it's an issue of parenting, that's right,
05:05 the parents do have a lot of control over what
05:08 their children are eating and what foods
05:10 they enjoy. A lot of times parents will say
05:12 well you know my kids don't enjoy this, well
05:15 the kids enjoy what they're used to,
05:16 culturally we find that around the world,
05:19 that what they're fed in a, at an early age
05:23 is what they tend to develop, relish a taste
05:26 for. And so it's good to be involved in your
05:29 children's diet from the time they are
05:32 in infantness, disease can be completely
05:34 avoided. So, lets, now with that background
05:37 we know that it's something we should
05:38 be watching from age 2 or even before infancy
05:41 onward. And we know that it's afflicting all
05:45 kinds of people, one death every 33 seconds.
05:48 Mental problems that result from having
05:51 strokes and decrease blood flow, anywhere
05:54 there is a blood flow can cause a problem.
05:56 What can we do then to stop it and then
05:59 reverse it? Well, forget cholesterol out
06:02 of the diet, every study that shown reversal
06:04 had extremely low cholesterol in the
06:06 diet or no cholesterol. And so, forget
06:08 cholesterol out of the diet we don't have
06:10 to worry about oxidize cholesterol, we can
06:12 begin to reverse it. If we use polyunsaturated
06:15 fat, foods, whole plant foods, that are low in
06:19 saturated, high in polyunsaturated that
06:21 will lower it. Eating more fiber in the diet
06:24 which also comes from plant foods will lower
06:27 it and then a lot of people are not aware
06:30 that the type of protein that we're eating
06:32 is also important in lowering the
06:34 cholesterol. Dr. Sartori was one of the
06:37 first to discover this in Italy and he took
06:40 people with high cholesterol, he put
06:42 them on a diet that was low in cholesterol,
06:44 low in saturated fat, higher in
06:46 polyunsaturated fat, pretty high in fiber.
06:49 The only difference he did in the two groups
06:52 was he fed one group an animal base protein
06:56 which was casein, which is a cow based protein;
07:00 it's also present in milk. Or he fed them
07:04 a plant based protein which was soy protein
07:07 and we have a graph of his study up on
07:10 the screen. Within three weeks, the one's on
07:13 the vegetable protein an average had lowered
07:15 their cholesterol over 60 milligrams.
07:18 The ones on the animal protein had lowered
07:22 it a little more than 20 and then it was such
07:25 a big difference between the two groups.
07:27 He did a gold standard point, and that is he
07:31 crossed the two groups over just to make
07:33 sure that one group is not more response
07:35 with the diet. And the cross over study show
07:37 those on the animal protein their
07:39 cholesterol went backup, still lower than
07:41 it was to start out with because the other
07:43 aspects of the diet were healthy but now those
07:45 on the vegetable protein their cholesterol went
07:47 down significantly even further to greater
07:50 than a 100 milligrams in just six weeks.
07:52 And so, it's not only the, the no cholesterol
07:57 that's important in bringing the cholesterol
07:59 down, but eating plant based sources of
08:01 protein, in which you can get all 8 of your
08:04 essential amino acids that way. So, when was
08:06 this study done? Dr. Sartori study
08:09 was done in the 80's, in the 80's. And why that
08:12 we haven't heard about this, because I, I, I
08:14 don't often hear about this when I'm
08:16 interviewing, I interview a lot of
08:17 people about heart disease? Well, it,
08:19 it wasn't publicized as much as it should
08:22 have been, there have been subsequent
08:24 studies showing the same thing. Dr.
08:26 Anderson showed this in Kentucky, Dr.
08:29 Sanchez at Loma Linda University
08:31 when he worked there for the School
08:32 of Health showed that very clearly, that
08:35 the animal protein raises cholesterol.
08:37 In fact he was so interested in it
08:39 and he took a look at the types of animal
08:40 foods, to see which one's raises the
08:44 more so. Which one's did, then others, pork
08:47 was high up there on the list and dairy
08:52 and eggs were also, really raised it, yeah.
08:54 Okay, and then he look at which plant foods
08:57 lowered it the most and which one's did.
08:59 And actually Fava bean was the one that came
09:02 out on top as far as its protein component
09:05 in lowering the cholesterol. Fava beans,
09:08 that's right, so when you're cooking and
09:11 you need to get and they always talk about getting
09:12 your protein, which I think probably is over
09:15 sold as well. This is important to remember,
09:18 that's right and legumes are good for you,
09:21 because they're gonna have plenty of protein
09:22 and they're gonna have the right type
09:23 of protein to help lower that cholesterol.
09:25 So, you are what you eat. That's right,
09:28 absolutely, your arteries are made up that way.
09:32 Okay, so looking at the protein anything
09:35 else that we should really be concerned
09:36 about? Well, that's interestingly our,
09:42 our talk today is primarily on the
09:44 elimination of coronary artery disease
09:45 or the reversing of coronary artery disease
09:48 and before we get into the studies on
09:50 reversal, I thought it be good to quote
09:53 Denis Diderot, he was a French philosopher
09:56 in the 18th century. And he said this:
09:58 "Doctors are always working to preserve
10:00 our health and cooks to destroy it,
10:03 but the latter are often the more successful."
10:06 It doesn't need to be that way if we retrain
10:09 the cooks, and anyone who is a cook here
10:12 on this set, I would like you to think about
10:13 how you can get retrained utilizing the
10:17 information that we're giving you. Food
10:19 can still be very tasty and healthy; it just
10:22 requires a good cook to do that. And I think
10:26 that, you know Dr. Neil you've written
10:27 the book called Proof Positive, you've
10:29 written or in the process of writing some other
10:31 books and you have many teaching aids
10:33 on your website www. nedleypublishing.com,
10:36 or www.dr.nedley.com, and, and I think
10:40 that book as I recall has actual recipes in it.
10:44 Yes, well Proof Positive, it primarily talks
10:48 about the constituents of the diet, we do
10:50 have recipes in our depression book that
10:52 helps depression, okay. But, we do
10:55 recommend some recipe books to go along
10:57 with Proof Positive we're doing that. Alright,
10:59 so it's a very practical thing now you,
11:00 does your, does your wife hold cooking schools
11:03 along with you still? Yes, yeah that's, Don,
11:06 we used to do them twice a year without
11:09 fail and did that for 16 or 17 years with the
11:13 four boys that we have and all of the, the
11:17 family things we've had to curtail that some.
11:19 But, yeah she still does it and does a great
11:21 a job. Yes, she's good cook I remember that,
11:24 now let me ask you this, a very practical
11:26 thing someone sitting there at home, they says
11:27 oh! That sounds great I understand
11:29 that but my wife who's the cook in the home
11:33 like certain fruits and likes where they taste
11:36 and refuses to cook differently. Well,
11:39 you know there are people, now you're
11:41 a marriage counselor, what do you do?
11:44 What do you say? What do you do?
11:45 No, we don't recommend divorce over that,
11:48 but we do recommend good solid information
11:51 being presented to that wife, if she could
11:53 realize what she is doing you know.
11:56 If she could you know, if she could actually
11:59 be contributing to the demise of her husband
12:02 with the food that she's cooking and I mean
12:06 does she really, is she that firm in her
12:08 belief, that she just to see her husband
12:12 go to an early demise? I don't think so.
12:14 And so, and if we can cook food that's tasty
12:17 and healthy what's the resistance? Now,
12:20 let me ask you this there's so called mood
12:22 foods, I mean this is kind of an interesting
12:24 question. Are they bad foods associated
12:28 with that alleviation and exaggeration,
12:30 alleviation in mood is that way people are
12:32 kind of addicted to them? Well, to some
12:35 extent yes, but long-term no, actually the,
12:39 the foods that are least healthy actually
12:42 produce a poor mood in the long run. In fact
12:45 will have evidence of this later on in the
12:47 program very interesting study, but short-term
12:50 they can improve dopamine levels and give you
12:52 a little bit of a high. And so that's why some
12:56 people feel addicted to these foods is because
13:00 the dopamine rise it's occurring from a rush of
13:03 sugar for instance, chocolate, with steak,
13:07 steak stimulates the bottom portion of the
13:10 brain, the large molecules do so that it
13:14 can imbalance the brain, decrease frontal
13:16 lobe circulation and improve the hormonal
13:19 circulation around pituitary, that's why
13:21 some man feel stimulated after a steak dinner.
13:24 It's not the right type of stimulation however
13:27 it's just hormonal and it's not frontal lobe
13:29 stimulation. Interesting we're talking with
13:31 Dr. Neil Nedley, we're talking about heart
13:33 disease, we're talking about the fact that it
13:35 can be reversed, we've talked about changing
13:37 the protein from animal protein to plant protein.
13:41 And when we come back we're gonna talk more
13:44 about what we can do, about what you can do
13:46 to reverse heart disease, join
13:49 us when we come back.
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14:52 Welcome back, we're talking with Dr. Neil
14:54 Nedley, we're talking about heart disease,
14:55 if you have it or someone you know has it
14:58 and that's very likely. There's good news,
15:00 it can, first of all it could have been
15:02 prevented but if you have it, it can
15:04 be reversed and Dr. Nedley has share with us
15:07 a several things, Dr. Nedley we talked about
15:09 protein, talked about how someone is on,
15:12 a diet and their cholesterol is not going
15:14 down to maybe switch from animal sources
15:18 to plant sources protein and they will go
15:20 down more. Yeah, significant difference
15:22 in doing that, and the reason for that is plant
15:25 protein is higher in arginine and lower
15:27 in lysine. Animal protein is the opposite,
15:29 higher in lysine, lower in arginine, it's the
15:32 ratio between those two that Dr. Sanchez
15:34 showed is critically important in lowering
15:37 the cholesterol. And we're gonna come back
15:39 and talk about what that really means with
15:41 the arginine a little bit letter, but you want to
15:43 share some studies with us that really give us
15:45 hope in terms of looking at. We have heart
15:48 disease and we wanna reverse it. Yes, well Dr.
15:52 Ornish was the first one to actually show that
15:55 coronary artery disease could be reversed
15:58 through lifestyle alone. No drugs,
16:02 no medications, no statin lowering drugs
16:05 or any other cholesterol lowering drugs.
16:07 All he did was put people on a low fat
16:10 vegetarian diet and gave them help in
16:13 controlling their stress by attending stress
16:16 seminars and put them on a walking program,
16:20 a brisk walking program, a regular exercise
16:22 program and those three things combined
16:25 produced dramatic results. A year after
16:28 they'd have their angiogram showing
16:30 blocked coronaries. When you say he was
16:32 the first who document that you mean the
16:34 first physician that wasn't Nathan Pritikin
16:36 doing somewhat of the same things. Yes,
16:38 he was, but he never really did but before
16:41 and after angiograms. Okay, and so he
16:44 was the first in the sense of using that
16:46 high-tech documentation, right. What Nathan
16:48 Pritikin showed was that the cholesterols
16:50 will go down, the blood lipids will be
16:53 significantly improved, we've known that for
16:55 quite some time and we thought experientially
16:59 that was happening because they would go to
17:00 a lifestyle center and not be able to walk
17:03 across the room without having chest pain.
17:06 And by the time they're through 19 days later
17:09 they're walking 5 miles with no chest pain
17:11 at all, so something appeared to be happening
17:13 but it's of course an expansive trial to
17:16 do the angiograms in these people before and
17:19 after. And do a randomized controlled
17:21 study which is what Dr. Ornish did. And then
17:24 since that time there's been all those studies
17:26 that have even developed that further. Yes,
17:28 there have been and of course Dr. Ornish
17:31 did a follow up study and then there
17:32 have been other studies that have come out,
17:34 but part of what I wanted to show you as
17:36 well was what happens when people are put
17:39 on The American Heart Association Diet.
17:41 Okay, so this is supposedly supposed to
17:43 help them. That's right; it supposed to help them
17:45 and the original studies on reversal, where done
17:48 with a person being put on the American Heart
17:51 Association Diet. And then the person being
17:54 put on the American Heart Association Diet
17:55 plus a Statin drug or another drug, niacin
18:00 for instance to, niacin's a Vitamin but in high
18:03 doses that acts like a drug, to lower the
18:06 cholesterol levels that way. And it was
18:09 interesting that once we got the cholesterol
18:11 levels down no matter how a reversal tended
18:14 to occur, but the control group they were
18:17 not on these medications it's quite interesting
18:19 to see what happened to their arteries. And I
18:22 think our next slide actually goes into that,
18:24 these were people that actually had very enough
18:28 disease to have bypass surgery and they were
18:30 put on what many people would consider a
18:31 lower fat diet, 25 percent fat and only
18:34 200 and 250 milligrams of cholesterol
18:37 per day in their diet. The average American
18:39 eats closer to 400 milligrams a day, so
18:42 after three years 41 percent of patients
18:45 have progression of their coronary artery disease.
18:48 After 5 years 65 percent had progression
18:51 of their coronary artery disease, so greater
18:54 blockages after 7 years 77 percent had
18:57 progression and after 10 years 85 percent
19:00 of patients had significant progression
19:02 of their coronary artery disease and that's
19:04 why often bypass surgery has to be done 10
19:07 years later. And here these people what's
19:10 confusing to the general public is I thought
19:13 I was taking, eating a diet there was
19:15 supposed to help me. That's really and it's
19:16 healthful, I was scraping the fat off of the
19:19 chicken, I was eating low fat cheese instead
19:22 of regular cheese. I was trying to eat turkey
19:26 and fish and instead of beef every meal,
19:29 those type of changes are just modest changes
19:34 and they only produced very mild results
19:37 if any. And if we really wanna make a
19:40 difference in reversing coronary artery disease,
19:42 we need to make some significant changes
19:45 and of course those significant changes
19:47 can be made and they're being made by
19:49 people all over the country once their
19:51 informed on what this will do to their
19:53 arteries and then they're experiencing the
19:55 benefit. So, you know is this some message
19:59 for everybody around the world someone that's
20:01 starving in Africa, is this a message for them
20:03 or should they eat whatever they can find.
20:06 Well, I mean if you're absolutely starving
20:09 and there's no food around whatsoever it's
20:12 probably better to eat them than to starve
20:13 to death. But most of the people that are
20:17 starving in these countries, plant foods
20:20 there are the most readily available
20:22 because they're cheaper. And so you
20:26 know if they have a choice on what to eat,
20:28 the plant foods are be the better way to go
20:29 in preventing this disease as well as
20:31 reversing it. And I think that, I mean during
20:35 the world ward II isn't that where we begin
20:37 to understand that these things could be reversed
20:39 initially. Right, exactly. Okay, some other studies
20:42 you want to share with us in terms of reversal
20:45 on the good news. Yeah, well this is Dr.
20:46 Ornish's study, the lifestyle heart trial,
20:49 okay, and this was one year difference
20:52 and again notice, low fat are less than 5
20:56 milligrams of cholesterol in the diet. So,
21:00 it was a vegetarian diet and after one year
21:03 24 percent decrease in their total cholesterol,
21:06 37 percent decrease in the bad LDL cholesterol.
21:10 And again the American Heart Association Diet's
21:13 only reduce the LDL about 6 percent. Angiography
21:16 one year later 82 percent regression, that means
21:20 the coronary arteries actually opened up,
21:23 14 percent no change and only 4 percent
21:25 worsened and I should mention those 4 percent
21:28 who worsened weren't compliant with the diet,
21:30 they were in the randomize trial but for
21:32 whatever reason they weren't very compliant
21:34 with the diet. Overall every coronary artery
21:38 disease experienced a 2.2 percent overall
21:41 regression which results in a 9 percent
21:43 increase in blood flow. But the interesting
21:46 thing is the, the greater the blockage the
21:48 greater the benefit. Those that had greater
21:50 than 50 percent blockage: 5.3 percent of
21:54 regression of atherosclerosis and
21:56 that means that 23 percent increase in
21:59 blood flow. Amazing so that just, let me
22:03 just summarize the American heart was 25
22:05 percent fat and this was 10 percent fat,
22:10 that's right. The American Heart
22:12 Association Diet was how much cholesterol?
22:16 200 to 250 milligrams, and this was,
22:18 5 milligrams, that's the big difference,
22:21 that's the big difference. That's
22:22 cutting out the egg yoke. Yeah, and actually
22:24 we have found out since that time, we
22:25 don't need to lower the fat that much as long
22:28 as we're eating the good fats okay.
22:30 Primarily the plant fats for instance almonds,
22:32 walnuts those would have even helped the
22:33 situation further as far as triglyceride levels
22:36 and those type of things. And so it's,
22:39 we can still get that reversal with 20
22:42 to 25 percent fat in the diet as long as
22:45 we're getting that cholesterol way down and
22:48 we're eating the good fats instead of the
22:49 saturated ones. So, the Bible says:
22:51 The life is in the blood when that blood flow
22:53 increases life comes back. That's right,
22:56 the life comes back and it is enhanced
22:59 and prolonged. Now, earlier on you were
23:02 talking about the proteins, you were
23:03 talking about we need to switch from
23:05 animal proteins to plant proteins and
23:08 you said it's because of the ratio of arginine
23:11 to Lysine, Lysine. Yes, and actually the
23:15 interesting thing about the Ornish study
23:17 when these people were randomized
23:18 to the vegetarian group within three weeks
23:24 their chest pain was virtually gone.
23:26 They were having 5 to 6 episodes of
23:29 chest pain per week, that's why they got
23:30 their original angiogram. But three weeks
23:33 later no chest pain and we know reversal
23:35 doesn't occur that quickly as far as those
23:39 plaques are concerned because those plaques
23:40 are calcified, it takes them a while to regress,
23:43 so why is the blood flow increasing without
23:46 reversal? The arginine, and it is the arginine.
23:50 Arginine gets turned into something in the
23:52 body called nitric oxide. Nitric oxide is the same
23:56 thing that nitroglycerin is trying to do,
23:59 nitroglycerin gets turned into that to dilate
24:01 the arteries. Interesting,
24:03 and arginine is a natural nitroglycerin and why
24:06 were they getting so much arginine. He wasn't
24:07 giving it to him as a supplement,
24:09 these are in the plants, they were actually,
24:11 that's right. It was in the plant foods and
24:13 there are foods that are higher in arginine
24:16 than others and that's what I believe our next
24:18 graphic shows us, let's look at that. You can
24:22 see walnuts, black walnuts by the way will
24:24 significantly lower your cholesterol but they're
24:26 also good because they're high in arginine
24:28 23 grams. Kidney beans even higher yet 2.6,
24:32 Garbanzos 3.6, I love those too, Lentils 4.2,
24:38 Soybeans 5.3 and the highest is actually
24:43 pumpkin 6.2, those were be pumpkin seeds
24:47 as what that should say not just the pumpkin.
24:50 That's kind of a big meal, so when you eat
24:53 those things it actually goes into your body
24:55 and stimulates nitric oxide production
24:59 which dilates the vessels, which
25:00 dilates the artery; increase the, right,
25:03 blood flow. Even before reversal occurs, we need
25:05 to understand that the arteries in the body
25:07 are not like lead pipes, you know they're
25:09 muscular organs. And so as we give them
25:13 substances to relax they'll allow more blood
25:15 flow even before the reversal occurs and then
25:18 once we get the reversal long-term, we get
25:20 a 23 percent blood flow even without that
25:23 dilatation. Now, there's other benefits
25:25 emotionally that the Ornish study showed
25:27 and I think you wanna summarize those. Well,
25:30 yeah, actually what had happened was that
25:32 the ethesis, before Ornish did his study
25:35 the ethesis said you've got to measure the
25:38 mental health of these patients. And he says
25:41 why do I need to do that and he says
25:43 because if you switch them over to a low fat
25:45 vegetarian diet. Yes, you may end up showing
25:48 that their arteries are improved, but their
25:50 depression might significantly increase.
25:53 And he said what you thinking about and he
25:54 said well it's just gonna altar, their lives,
25:57 their lives significantly, they'll
25:59 not be able to eat at the same restaurants.
26:00 It's gonna altar maybe their home life, maybe
26:02 some of their social environment and you
26:04 might totally disrupt that and suicides might
26:07 even go up. And significant depression,
26:10 so we mandate from that an ethical standpoint,
26:13 that you, not measure that, monitor their
26:16 physiological finding. So, what happened? Well
26:18 he said fine, we'll go ahead and do that and
26:21 so at the beginning of the study and we have
26:24 a graphic on this. At the beginning of the study
26:26 the ones that were randomized for the
26:28 vegetarian group, before they became vegetarian
26:30 their score was 27, the higher the score the
26:33 worse and that score is measuring not only
26:35 depression, but the lack of ability to experience
26:38 pleasure, insomnia, and insomnia, mental health
26:44 in general. One year later their score
26:46 significantly improved in 19 and it's true some
26:49 of their social networks were disrupted and
26:51 some of their family life was disrupted, but their
26:53 mental health significantly improved.
26:55 The blue ones are the control group, those
26:57 were the ones randomize to the American Heart
26:59 Association Diet; they got worse, 23.9 as their
27:03 control and then one year later 24.1. So,
27:06 slightly worse, pretty much the same and so
27:09 this study goes along with other studies
27:11 showing that instead of a vegetarian
27:13 diet increasing your anxiety, and increasing
27:16 your depression, it's actually gonna help it
27:18 out significantly and these peoples pleasure
27:21 rating actually went up. They were experiencing
27:24 a much more satisfied life with their
27:27 vegetarian lifestyle and the word needs to go
27:29 out on that. It really does, so reversing
27:32 heart disease is not just a physical, think you
27:34 been an emotional thing, that's right. People can
27:36 go from being depressed to delighted if they do
27:39 this, that's right. Absolutely. Well,
27:41 thank you so much Dr. Nedley for being
27:43 with us, thank you for being with us. If you
27:45 like more information go to
27:46 www.nedley publishing.com and
27:50 we're glad that you've joined us today.
27:51 And we hope that as a result you have
27:54 health that will last not just for
27:56 now but for an entire lifetime.


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