Participants: Don Mackintosh, Hans Diehl
Series Code: HFAL
Program Code: HFAL000060
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00:46 Hello and welcome to "Health for a Lifetime"
00:48 I'm your host Don Mackintosh, 00:49 and today, I'm delighted to welcome 00:51 Dr. Hans Diehl to our program. 00:53 Welcome Dr. Diehl! Glad to be here. 00:55 Today we're going to talk about something that's 00:57 a little different than maybe the normal lecture that you give 01:01 You're involved in what's called the 01:02 "Coronary Health Improvement Program"... the CHIP Program 01:05 A 30-day program that helps people reverse 01:09 coronary artery disease. 01:11 You've just come out with a new video series 01:13 that's available for communities where people that want to 01:16 change... not only their own lives, but the lives of the 01:18 community can be involved in that. 01:20 But today, you want to talk about LOVE and FORGIVENESS? 01:24 How does that match up? YEAH... 01:26 See, I don't think that hardening of the arteries 01:31 is the most devastating disease 01:33 even though I spend a lot of time on that... Right 01:36 But you know, the most devastating disease 01:41 is really hardening of the ATTITUDES! 01:44 It's kind of a spiritual atherosclerosis 01:47 where our attitudes get stiffened and hardened 01:51 and we are no longer flexible to deal with the issues of life 01:54 in a productive manner. 01:57 How can we know whether or not 01:58 we're suffering from this disease? 02:00 Well, people will let you know about that... 02:03 Yes, they'll pick it up. 02:05 You see, but many times people don't understand 02:08 that there's a relationship between emotions 02:12 and... well, emotions and physical illness. 02:18 You know, it seems to be so obvious to us 02:20 it should be, and yet many times we didn't understand it. 02:23 Some years back, Dr. Harold Wolff, 02:27 one of the Eastern Medical Center prominent physicians, 02:33 had a very interesting case. 02:34 He had a patient coming to him who had suffered 02:37 some kind of a gun wound to his stomach 02:40 and somehow for some reason, luckily for the physician, 02:45 but maybe not quite so lucky for the patient, 02:47 that wound did not want to heal. 02:50 So his stomach was open. His stomach was open! 02:52 And this afforded now, this research-oriented 02:56 scientist-physician to have a chance to look into the 02:59 inside of the stomach. 03:00 So he took advantage of his bad situation... Yes, that's right. 03:04 Some people even thought maybe he purposely 03:06 did everything he could NOT to let this wound heal too fast 03:10 because this was a fascinating experiment. 03:13 This was years back now... we had no idea 03:16 how the stomach digests food, 03:19 and this physician now had an unusual opportunity 03:21 to look into the stomach. 03:23 Here's something that happened... 03:25 The patient came to him... 03:27 The patient was irritated. 03:29 The patient was crimson red. 03:30 The patient was agitated! 03:32 And the physician does his usual thing. 03:34 He looks into the opened wound; into the stomach, inside, 03:40 and what do you think he sees? 03:41 He sees an inside lining that is crimson red. 03:45 It's bloated and there is a lot of acid pouring out. 03:50 And all of a sudden a light goes on in the mind of 03:54 this physician... Could it be that this emotional 03:57 state of that patient, and what I see 04:00 on the inside of the stomach... 04:01 could there be a relationship? 04:03 So, did it go away when he was not upset? 04:07 YES... when the patient would come in to him relaxed, 04:11 the stomach lining was relaxed. 04:14 It wasn't that crimson red. 04:16 There was not all that acid pouring out. 04:17 Everything was looking pretty nice and fine and calm. 04:20 As the exterior of the face, 04:23 so the inside lining of the stomach. 04:26 So, we became aware that emotions can have a 04:32 powerful effect on our level of health. 04:35 This was the beginning really. 04:37 Yes, since those early observations, 04:40 we NOW know that some people can respond to 04:42 harbored negative emotions with asthma, migraine, 04:47 ulcers, and even angina attacks. 04:50 Emotions then break down the life force 04:53 and invite disease and death... 04:55 OR, they can actually promote health! 04:58 It depends on the kind of emotions. 05:02 Our health and our happiness then depend really, 05:04 in part, on how we react to life's challenges, 05:08 and how we solve daily problems... doesn't it? 05:10 So, we're to react in an actively positive way... 05:16 regardless of what comes. YES! 05:18 Well, as-a-matter-of-fact, you know 05:20 how we relate to the problems of life... 05:22 how we react to everyday occurrences, 05:25 determines largely HOW well we are going to be growing. 05:31 For instance, there are some people, and I guess we all do it 05:35 ...we actually, instead of WELCOMING 05:38 facing problems in life, and learning from that, 05:41 we actually try to get OUT of these problems. 05:43 You know we have different ways, mechanisms, of how to do this. 05:46 Some people IGNORE the problems. 05:49 They blame others for their problems. 05:51 They try to avoid problems. 05:53 They deny that any problem exists. 05:57 Or, you know, sometimes we also find ways 06:00 like drowning these problems. 06:02 And yet in the process, we really only 06:05 hurt ourselves don't we? 06:07 Because when you solve problems it leads to growth, 06:11 to insight, to character development... 06:15 all the things that we miss out on 06:17 when we try to stay away from these things. 06:19 So put the fire out, don't just ignore it! Yeah! 06:25 Correct... Be involved in the solution. 06:28 But don't solve other people's problems either. 06:30 Someone once said, if you're not part of the problem, 06:34 then you're not part of the solution either. 06:37 Would that be true? Yes! 06:41 But you see, when you don't get involved in solving problems 06:45 you usually lose-out on the area of overcoming poor habits. 06:51 Trying to deal with some of the boredom in life, 06:56 we begin to stagnate, so when you say "YES" 07:01 to problem-solving... problems that come your way, 07:04 you have the opportunity for growth, insight, 07:06 understanding, and it really enriches our life. Doesn't it? 07:09 Um hm... You know, as a matter of fact, 07:11 I have come to some interesting conclusions.. it's probably very 07:14 simplistic, but I have come up with some very basic 07:18 insight, I guess... and that is that 07:21 LIFE either makes you bitter or it makes you better. 07:25 Really! That's probably true... Well, it IS true! 07:28 Bitter or better... That's a good way to put it. 07:31 I mean we all have disappointments in life. 07:33 They say life is not fair to us, right? 07:35 I mean, that's how the saying goes. 07:37 So how do you react to it? 07:39 It's going to make you bitter, or it's going to make you better 07:42 But, you know, everything depends on our EGO. 07:46 On that "I" See? 07:49 If we feel that somebody is trampling on OUR rights, 07:52 "Who dares to do this to me?" 07:54 Well... see, now life is making you bitter 07:58 Instead of saying... "What can I learn from this?" 08:01 "Why is this happening to me?" 08:03 "Is there a lesson in it for me?" 08:05 Right? So change the "I" to an "E" 08:08 Yeah, that's right... from bitter to better 08:13 You see in life, it's not so important, really, 08:17 what happens to us in life, but how we relate to that. 08:22 So if we become a spiritual Unabomber, 08:25 or a physical Unabomber, or something, if we're bitter. 08:28 We get upset at ourselves, and the whole society... 08:31 and we can be very damaging, or it defiles many. 08:34 The author of Hebrews put it that way... 08:38 it defiles all kinds of people. 08:39 So it's really essential! 08:40 Yeah, life is going to make us bitter or better. 08:44 It all depends of how we relate to it. 08:48 You know, who is in the driver's seat? 08:50 Who was our hand? See? 08:53 Do we just think about ourselves as the center of the universe, 08:57 and if we do, we're in trouble! 08:59 I remember some time ago, there was a story about 09:03 a society woman... a high society woman. 09:06 I mean, she would always go to this special... 09:09 not just a restaurant but to that very special hotel. 09:12 It was the #1 hotel in New York, 09:14 and she ALWAYS would have her hideaway there... 09:18 One week, that was her private time, 09:20 and nobody knew where she was. 09:21 Nobody was SUPPOSED to know! This was her time. 09:24 Penthouse suite, no DISTURBANCE! 09:26 I'm going to be there! MY TIME! 09:28 LEAVE EVERYBODY OUT! And everybody knew that. 09:31 I mean everybody respected that lady. 09:33 She was a good customer for years, and then it happened. 09:35 She comes to the hotel; it's 10 o'clock at night... 09:40 Just as she is settling in there 09:43 SOMEHOW she hears a lot of noise, music... 09:49 somebody is playing the piano! 09:50 She is ENRAGED! 09:52 She is calling down to the desk, and she says, 09:53 "I WANT TO SEE THE GM, the general manager, RIGHT NOW!" 09:57 Well, you know what they do... 09:58 They called the general manager at HOME! 10:00 "Yes Madam, I'll be there right away. " 10:03 He gets dressed. 10:04 He dashes over to the hotel. 10:06 He goes up to the penthouse suite... 10:08 He says, "Madam I made a terrible mistake" 10:11 "We want to profoundly apologize. " 10:14 "We have done the IMPOSSIBLE!" 10:17 Can I explain to you... 10:19 All the way from home... 10:21 She was a high society... just responds to her whims 10:23 So, you know, I think this is a good time to break. 10:27 I hope you don't mind... because you need to come back 10:31 and hear what happens with this lady. 10:33 Come back and join us. 10:37 Have you found yourself wishing that you could shed a few pounds 10:40 Have you been on a diet for most of your life, 10:42 but not found anything that will really keep the weight off? 10:45 If you've answered "yes" to any of these questions, 10:48 then we have a solution for you that works! 10:51 Dr. Hans Diehl and Dr. Aileen Ludington 10:54 have written a marvelous booklet called 10:56 "Reversing Obesity Naturally" 10:58 and we'd like to send it to you FREE of charge. 11:01 Here's a medically sound approach successfully 11:04 used by thousands who are able to eat more and lose weight 11:07 permanently without feeling 11:09 guilty or hungry through lifestyle medicine. 11:12 Dr. Diehl and Dr. Ludington have been featured on 3ABN 11:15 and in this booklet, they present a sensible approach 11:18 to eating, nutrition, and lifestyle changes 11:21 that can help you prevent heart disease, diabetes, 11:23 and EVEN cancer. 11:24 Call or write today for your free copy of 11:27 "Reversing Obesity Naturally" 11:28 and you could be on your way to a healthier, happier YOU! 11:32 It's absolutely FREE of charge, so call or write today. 11:38 Welcome back! 11:40 We've been talking with Dr. Hans Diehl 11:42 Normally, Dr. Diehl, you talk with us about heart disease. 11:45 Today, you're talking about hardening of the attitudes... 11:48 Love and Forgiveness. 11:49 And at the break, you were telling a very exciting, 11:52 interesting story about this lady of high society 11:55 ...as I recall, correct me if I'm wrong, 11:57 she was at a very famous hotel in New York, 11:59 and she took that week vacation, 12:01 and she liked to have things done a certain way... 12:04 but then next door, there was this terrible racket 12:06 of someone playing the piano... 12:08 She called the manager; the manager comes... 12:10 And says, "We're very sorry" and then we didn't have time 12:13 and we had to go to a break... What happened? 12:15 You know, the manager was very, very apologetic, obviously... 12:21 and then he said, "We have made a TERRIBLE mistake" 12:29 We SOMEHOW placed Arthur Rubinstein next to you 12:36 because that was the only place where we have the grand piano. 12:39 You mean THE Arthur Rubinstein? THE ARTHUR RUBINSTEIN! 12:42 All of a sudden, this woman said ARTHUR RUBINSTEIN... THE 12:48 And all of a sudden, she wanted NOTHING more BUT 12:52 to be ALLOWED to go next door 12:54 and to sit at the feet at the master 12:57 and she sat there for hours... 12:59 And when she got back home, 13:01 she would tell all of her friends that she was 13:03 the special guest of Arthur Rubinstein. 13:05 Everything had to do with attitude, huh... 13:07 It was ATTITUDE! RESPECTED! 13:09 It was the same person... It was the same music, 13:11 but BEFORE, it was noise and racket, 13:13 and now it was heavenly music. 13:15 What made the difference? 13:17 I suppose it was the perspective of knowing 13:20 what she was involved in, 13:22 and changing the attitude; but let me ask you a question... 13:25 Is it true then, would you say that we need to 13:27 have a bigger perspective. 13:29 We need to maybe surrender some of our rights 13:31 until we have the whole picture... What would you say? 13:34 Yeah, I think as long as we think of our RIGHTS... 13:37 I have a RIGHT... How can they do this to me? 13:40 We have a tendency to go on the pity pot. 13:42 Why me? Poor me. 13:44 And when that happens, 13:45 that opens up then the doors to ALL these negative emotions. 13:50 It opens up the doors to resentment, to bitterness, 13:54 to anger, to hatred. 13:56 You know the guilt, and actually you become ENSLAVED. 14:01 Right? And to think that this is 14:03 all related to the spiritual atherosclerosis.. poor attitudes 14:09 They begin now to block... It's a clot! 14:12 Yeah, they BLOCK the channels of communication. Right? 14:18 It's a spiritual atherosclerosis, 14:21 and oftentimes, it becomes almost like a spiritual cancer 14:23 that is growing. 14:25 And in the process, we talk about 14:27 people that look like prunes... 14:29 You know, I mean they shrivel up from the inside out. 14:33 So what can we do, doctor? 14:34 What can we do... 14:36 Well, maybe I can tell you another story from 14:40 what happens sometimes in our professional lives. 14:46 I had a woman come to me one time, and I was seeing some 14:50 people in counseling. 14:55 And this woman came to me 14:56 because of her overeating problem. 14:59 She said that she would go into 15:02 binges and she just couldn't control herself. 15:04 And so I was taking just a very careful inventory of her life, 15:08 and I wasn't even halfway through the 10 minute interview, 15:12 to do that part of our program, when she blurted out... 15:16 "AND HE DID THIS TO ME!" 15:18 And I looked at her, and I said 15:19 What do you mean, "He did this to me?" 15:21 "SHE DID IT TO ME!" 15:23 And I looked at her, and all of a sudden I realized 15:26 there was a problem here. 15:27 And then it came out... 15:29 She said, "This woman betrayed the professional trust 15:37 between herself, as a nurse, 15:38 and MY husband, a cardiovascular surgeon. " 15:43 An affair or something... Affair 15:45 And I was stunned at the response, and then I was 15:50 even more stunned when I asked her... 15:51 "And when did this happen; is this still going on?" 15:54 She said, "NO, it was 13 years ago!" 15:56 And I thought to myself... 13 years ago, 15:59 and this woman is still distressed, still focused 16:04 on that particular tragedy. 16:09 You know, we don't want to brush over that, really. 16:13 What the people did was wrong. 16:15 What the people did was wrong, it HURT obviously. 16:18 But harboring these emotions of hurt for 13 years, 16:22 I mean, did this really improve 16:24 her marriage relationship to her husband? 16:26 It doesn't sound like it. 16:27 It sounds like it added some pounds to her. 16:30 YEAH! As-a-matter-of-fact, when I talked with her 16:32 she said, "I know everything about that woman. " 16:34 "I know how heavy she is. I know what she's wearing" 16:36 "I know where she's at. " 16:38 This woman became this person's EMOTIONAL FOCUS. 16:42 So she was enslaved to that 16:44 situation... Yeah, she was enslaved. 16:45 Instead of moving on and developing, perhaps 16:49 a new understanding of herself, and her husband, 16:51 and perhaps beginning to see how can we connect better 16:55 so that we have a solid relationship... what can we do 16:58 No, she became a totally focused person on the other person, 17:02 and thus, and here's what she said in notes 17:05 that I took down... I brought them with me here. 17:07 She said, "When I finally gained some insight, 17:13 here's what I learned... 17:15 The moment I started to hate that woman, I became her slave" 17:20 "I couldn't enjoy my work anymore 17:23 because she controlled my thoughts. " 17:26 "I became fatigued. " 17:27 "The work I once enjoyed became drudgery. " 17:30 "Even vacations ceased to be joy. " 17:33 "I could not escape her tyrannical grasp on my mind 17:38 until I focused on my life and what I was going to do with it" 17:42 That's pretty powerful, isn't it? 17:43 So she was enslaved by that person, 17:45 and so she understood what the problem really was. 17:48 She gained that insight. 17:50 That was very, very powerful. 17:53 You see, now life was no longer necessarily the BITTER pill... 17:59 But she related now in a more BETTER understanding. 18:02 Yes, life was difficult, but she began to relate to it, 18:06 and out of that came that insight, 18:08 and greater self-understanding, 18:10 greater sensitivity towards these kind of issues in life, 18:14 personal growth, more communication skills perhaps, 18:19 and a new form of freedom. 18:22 Do you find this a lot in the classes you teach; 18:25 for instance, your CHIP program, different things 18:27 Are there underlying problems that really 18:29 you sense you're dealing with? 18:30 I think you're on a very good track there, 18:35 go a little bit further. 18:37 Well, you know, the programs that you run as 18:41 helping people with heart disease, 18:43 and all these different things, 18:44 do you find, when you really get to know the people 18:47 personally, which probably you can't with the AMOUNT of people 18:50 ...that there really are some of these issues like 18:52 this lady was focusing underneath? 18:54 I think so... you know particularly when it comes to 18:58 obesity... particularly with ladies in our society. 19:04 They oftentimes have been abused verbally or otherwise 19:08 by usually relatives, loved ones marriage relationships... 19:13 And it's not just good enough to help them to understand 19:18 how to better choose food, 19:20 and how to get on an exercise program; 19:21 but it also is important to begin to look 19:23 for these blockages. 19:25 The blockages in the arteries; the channels of communication 19:29 ...to feel that you are worthwhile, 19:32 that you have self-esteem in SPITE of how people 19:35 may have abused or treated you. 19:37 So, we've gotten the spiritual blood work back. 19:40 We've had a diagnosis now. 19:42 We've seen that the problem is hardening of the 19:44 spiritual arteries or attitudes. 19:46 What would you say the treatment is? 19:49 You know, the treatment is probably not always an easy one. 19:55 And there are probably different aspects to the treatment. 19:59 But I think one of the key ingredients would have to be 20:03 to help people understand that you can only go from 20:06 resentment and bitterness to insight and understanding 20:10 and growth... through the dynamic of being willing 20:13 to forgive and to accept. 20:16 Forgiveness and acceptance... forgiveness and acceptance, 20:19 and sometimes we have to learn to forgive ourselves, 20:22 and sometimes we have to be willing to forgive OTHERS 20:26 who may have done this to us... 20:28 But if we were in their shoes, maybe we'd understand 20:31 WHY this actually happened. 20:33 And sometimes we have to also find the forgiveness 20:37 by going to a Higher Source. 20:39 Sometimes it takes GOD to come into a person's life 20:42 that can now provide that ultimate source of healing 20:47 by saying, "Yes, I'll give you the strength and the power 20:52 and the faith to do that which is humanly oftentimes 20:59 next to impossible to do, and that is to forgive somebody else 21:02 Would you say everyone has to come to this understanding 21:05 of forgiveness and acceptance, 21:06 and it's something everyone has to come to terms with? 21:09 It is a human condition isn't it? 21:12 We ALL do things wrong... All of us. 21:16 So we have to learn to maybe not just 21:20 forgive ourselves but to find that Power... 21:24 To find that GOD who is there who says, "I'm love, and 21:28 I'm FORGIVING you... 21:31 And to give us the strength to go on, 21:33 and then we FALL again, right? 21:35 Well look, I forgave you once, that's it! 21:37 No, no, no, no, no We are growing, 21:41 and we get stronger every time... 21:43 And so out of that sense of knowing that someone 21:46 is forgiving us on the human level and on the, 21:48 shall we say, the vertical level. 21:50 It comes in the strength that we become more open 21:53 to forgive others. 21:54 So really, when we're helping people with health, 21:57 or we're helping them with these issues, 21:59 it's really coming down to this core blockage - forgiveness. 22:04 It really is... I mean, you can eat all the alfalfa sprouts 22:08 you want... you can do all the exercise you want, 22:10 but if you HATE that person that is in your life, 22:13 do you have health? 22:14 No... see. And so that's where 22:17 I think we have to deal with the atherosclerosis 22:21 of the spiritual area. 22:26 We have to take care of the hardening of our attitudes. 22:30 And life has a tendency to harden us somehow... 22:33 almost we do it to protect ourselves, but really, 22:37 in the process, we lose out 22:39 from the richness of life that comes to us. 22:42 When you begin your programs, your health programs, 22:44 your CHIP Program... I believe it's like a 30-day program; 22:47 you don't start out with this though. 22:49 Where does this come? 22:51 This usually comes towards the end of the program, 22:55 and that's when people come and say, 22:56 "We enjoyed the presentations about health, how to lose 23:01 weight, how to bring our blood pressure down. " 23:02 "We learned how to lower our cholesterol, 23:04 and have less angina pain; 23:06 these are WONDERFUL discoveries for us!" 23:09 And we have become involved in implementing those, 23:12 BUT the most important part of the program, to some of us, 23:15 has been how to let go of these resentments, the bitterness. 23:21 I mean, think about that... 23:22 We still shoot arrows of ACID at people that have died 23:29 years ago... we still HATE them! 23:32 And you see, WE become our own prisoner... That's right 23:38 So, let's talk about that situation 23:43 that you've talked about. 23:44 That's a very difficult situation where someone 23:46 that, maybe a parent, maybe a father, maybe a mother, 23:49 maybe an aunt and uncle or someone else 23:51 that has really hurt us, and we have cause... 23:54 we think to be bitter, has died. 23:56 How in the world would you help someone when they 23:58 can't go back and close that? 24:01 It's very difficult, isn't it? 24:03 I think you have to find a substitute, for the parents, 24:07 lets say, in this example. 24:08 You have to find someone that you can relate to... 24:10 Maybe it's a clergyman, maybe it's a 24:14 professional counselor that can stand in the part... 24:19 be in the boots of that person that has harmed you, 24:23 and you can now unload perhaps, 24:25 but you can also come to grips with the fact... 24:28 Well... maybe my parents did the very best 24:34 as they understood it. 24:37 You see, I don't think that I've been raised perfectly, 24:39 and I think most people feel that way... 24:41 But I have to believe, in my heart, that MY dear mother 24:45 and father have been their very best as they 24:47 understood it at the time. 24:49 And therefore, it softens in my heart, and I begin to assume 24:53 responsibility for my own life instead of trying to blame 24:55 it on background. 24:58 And even IF we can't seem to do that, 25:01 there's the Christian religion, baptism, foot-washing, 25:05 these are very healing times... 25:07 where we can wash that away. 25:09 That's been my experience. 25:11 Yeah.. that's very good. 25:12 You know, I read the story, one time, about a Mrs. Hannah 25:16 who had lost the most precious of all of her possessions 25:19 that she still had... her own daughter. 25:21 She had been murdered in cold blood. 25:24 The man was sentenced to prison for life, 25:27 but that wasn't the end for Mrs. Hannah... 25:29 Every day she would have her daily routine 25:31 that she would go into her basement of her house; 25:33 the picture was there on the dartboard, 25:35 and she would throw these darts! 25:37 Did that solve the problem? 25:39 It just probably fed it. Yeah... 25:42 And then one day, a Gideon would come to her house, 25:44 you know, a Bible... And they'd bring one. Yes! 25:47 And he said, "Would you be willing to sign this Bible 25:52 because we want to take it to the prison. " 25:54 Oh, she was infuriated! 25:57 She was INCENSED that anybody could be so insensitive; 25:59 after all, her daughter had been killed! 26:03 And now what happened is 26:05 the Gideon said to her, while leaving, 26:08 "Mrs. Hannah, how can God forgive us, if we cannot 26:13 forgive others. " 26:15 That's exactly what she needed to hear... wasn't it? 26:18 That was very painful. 26:20 She probably prayed about that... 26:22 and over the next 8, 9, 10 weeks 26:23 she came to the conclusion that she had to do that. 26:27 She called him up, he came, and she wrote into the Bible 26:30 "Mrs. Hannah loves you. " 26:34 Wow, that was a major breakthrough for her, wasn't it? 26:37 It was THE breakthrough. 26:39 He takes the Bible back... 26:40 The prisoner sees the handwriting, breaks down 26:44 and says, "I have never been loved in my whole life. " 26:47 I was an orphan. 26:50 And it turned the life around of this man... 26:53 who now becomes a chaplain in that prison. 26:56 And Mrs. Hannah, her life is changed now too. 26:59 Because the prisoner was really herself! 27:04 Do you see? 27:05 And so forgiveness restores relationships. 27:10 Boy, that's almost the same story as the Gospel, isn't it? 27:13 "He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever 27:17 believes will not perish, but have everlasting life. " 27:20 Forgiveness sends a letter to us... says "I love you, 27:24 even though you killed My Son. " 27:26 We've been talking with Dr. Hans Diehl. 27:28 We've been talking about heart disease... 27:29 not just of our literal heart, but also of our spiritual heart. 27:33 We have seen that there are problems with our attitudes. 27:37 There's bitterness that we foster. 27:39 Dr. Diehl has reminded us that we can move from bitterness 27:42 to BETTERNESS by looking at forgiveness and acceptance... 27:48 And if we do this, maybe right now if you're watching the 27:51 program and you say, "Look, I need to do that" 27:53 I encourage you to just send up a prayer right now 27:56 and you'll have health not only for here and now, 27:59 but for a lifetime! |
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