House Calls

Lord And Savior, Pt. 1

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Participants: John Lomacang & John Stanton

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00:01 Hello, friends.
00:03 Grab your Bible and friend and sit back
00:04 as we explore God's word together
00:06 on this edition of "House Calls."
00:22 Well, welcome again friends.
00:24 We are so thankful that you've decided
00:25 to join us here on "House Calls" this morning
00:27 and with me in the studio is Pastor C.A. Murray.
00:30 Good to be here.
00:31 Yes, it's great to have you here C.A.
00:33 I am Pastor John Stanton,
00:34 and I am usually here with you.
00:35 We are so thankful that you have decided
00:37 to join us today.
00:38 And we have an exciting program
00:40 that we've kind of put together
00:42 here on a unique topic, say Lord and Savior.
00:46 What are the differences in the words,
00:49 because we see them use throughout scripture,
00:51 but rarely I think people talk about that,
00:53 but we are going to get into that today--
00:54 Yeah, people tend to think, they are interchangeable,
00:56 they actually are not. That's right.
00:57 They are quite different. They are very much different.
01:00 And I think we'll discover that today.
01:01 That's right, Lord and Savior,
01:03 so He is both, and so we praise the Lord
01:05 for being able to talk about that subject today,
01:07 but you know, we always want to make sure
01:09 we start of the program with a word of prayer
01:11 and so Pastor Murray would we lead us into that.
01:14 Glad to do so.
01:15 Gracious Father, we do thank You
01:16 and praise You for this opportunity
01:18 to talk about our best friend Christ Jesus. Amen.
01:20 The one who we want to be both Lord,
01:23 and Savior of our lives.
01:25 For His only in being both of those things
01:27 that we can experience true
01:29 restoration and salvation, so bless us this day,
01:31 and those who hear that they might know
01:33 and understand your will for their lives
01:36 and that we may be use as instruments
01:37 to lift up the name of Jesus
01:39 and we thank you in Christ name, amen. Amen.
01:42 Well, you know, we involve you in our program
01:46 from week to week,
01:47 and you are very big part of that
01:48 in your questions.
01:50 And we want to make sure that we get to a couple questions
01:52 here today in the program.
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02:18 several good ones today. Yeah.
02:20 Pastor Murray, you want to start
02:21 this of with the question.
02:22 All right, this is a question that comes to us from Jamaica,
02:27 and they have a question on
02:30 Romans Chapter 14 verses 5 and 6,
02:33 asking that we explain that.
02:35 She says I am an Adventist, I was discussing the Sabbath
02:37 with one of my Catholic co-workers
02:39 and this text came up in as part of their discussion,
02:43 so she wants a little help
02:45 with Romans Chapter 14 verse 5 and 6.
02:48 And my Bible for some reason
02:51 is opened to the book of Matthew
02:52 so I am going over to Romans
02:55 as quick as I possibly can, Romans Chapter 14.
03:00 This is, you know, this text has been
03:01 used to say something that it doesn't say
03:03 for a long time-- Yeah, yeah.
03:05 So I think that's a good question--
03:06 I remember years ago, someone sort of
03:08 dropped this text on me, we were having discussion.
03:10 But here its, Romans Chapter 14 verse 5,
03:13 "One man esteemeth one day above another,
03:16 another esteemeth every day alike.
03:18 Let every man be fully persuaded
03:20 in his own mind.
03:21 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord
03:24 and he that regardeth not the day
03:26 to the Lord he doth not regard it.
03:29 He that eateth, eateth to the Lord,
03:31 for he giveth thanks, and he that eateth
03:33 not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks."
03:38 This text is used to defend not keeping Sabbath.
03:44 They will say, well, that's your day, this is mine.
03:46 Bible says I regard one day, you regard another day.
03:50 It's all depends on what we want.
03:53 Well, there are couple of problems with that,
03:54 John, as you well know.
03:56 One, the Sabbath was not left to man to accept or reject.
04:03 The Sabbath is a commandment of God
04:05 as important as all the commandments of God.
04:08 So the question is not what you like or what I like.
04:12 The question is what does God like.
04:14 What has God set up apart? What does God sanctify?
04:18 What does God called us or joined us to keep?
04:21 When it comes to the rules, concepts, laws of God,
04:29 our thought on it, I'm gonna use it,
04:32 it sounds like very raw speech,
04:33 but really don't count, you know, they don't count.
04:37 God has said, remember this day, keep this day,
04:41 I've sanctified this day, I've blessed this day,
04:45 and I'm calling you to worship Me on that day,
04:48 and I promise a special blessing if you will do that.
04:51 It's not left up to our judgment,
04:53 just like adultery is not left up to our judgment,
04:58 fornication is not left up to our judgment,
05:00 adoring your parents is not left up to our judgment,
05:02 covetous is not left up to our judgment.
05:05 These things are things that are called to us by God.
05:09 This text is speaking about,
05:11 there were number practices in New Testament.
05:13 Some people would fast on particular days.
05:15 Some people would keep from doing
05:17 certain things on those days, others would not,
05:20 would not accept those days.
05:21 That was something that, let say,
05:23 John, I am saying next Thursday,
05:25 I just feel call of God to fast.
05:27 Well, that's my day.
05:28 Now that doesn't mean, you have to fast,
05:31 that's a day that I've picked for fast.
05:33 I am regarding that particular day
05:34 that is not a prescription for you,
05:36 that's something I've worked out with my God. Yeah.
05:39 You may pick, okay, I will do it next Saturday,
05:41 that's your day, that's the day you're gonna regard.
05:43 Those are days that are left up to our choosing,
05:46 but the day that God has called holy
05:48 is not left up to our choosing.
05:50 That has been designated by God.
05:52 And so this is not talking about the Sabbath. Right.
05:55 This is talking about other kinds of religious obligations
05:57 and institutions set up by man
05:59 for their own spiritual strength and walk with God.
06:03 Yeah, you know, and the Sabbath
06:04 doesn't even appear once in here. No.
06:06 So we can note that. No.
06:07 There is no word, Sabbath, isn't even here.
06:09 The other thing, I like what you said there
06:11 about the commandments, our opinion doesn't really matter
06:14 when it comes to the commandments.
06:15 Our opinion is--our opinion is we follow the Lord
06:19 in what He says. Yes.
06:21 And it's interesting at the beginning
06:23 of this whole passage 'cause you got a back up
06:25 to kind of find the context, it says in verse 1,
06:28 "Receive one who is weak in the faith,
06:30 but not to disputes over doubtful things."
06:33 And I think when it comes to eating,
06:36 that something that's a matter of conscience,
06:38 but when it comes to the commandments,
06:40 those aren't doubtful things,
06:41 those are commands, yes, those are suggestions.
06:44 And so I think it falls in line
06:48 that as we consider what God would have us do in life.
06:51 He would lead us and guide us.
06:53 The commandments is where we start. Precisely.
06:55 And that's why Jesus kept saying,
06:56 "Keep My commandments if you love Me"
06:59 and so that's where we begin.
07:01 And another interesting thing is He says that
07:03 it's His day, not ours. Not ours, yes.
07:05 We've heard this over and over again.
07:06 I have, I observe Wednesday or I observe Friday
07:12 as our Muslim friends do.
07:14 I observe Sunday as many of our Christians friends do.
07:17 But it's not the day that we pick,
07:19 it's really about what the Lord picks.
07:21 He picked after creation the seventh-day.
07:24 Yeah, yeah, very powerful.
07:26 And then--and we will come to this
07:28 in another questions later.
07:29 We always have to remember,
07:30 John, as you well know context.
07:33 You can't just rip a text out of its context
07:35 and then try to make up location.
07:37 You've got it, there is always a context,
07:39 where is he going with this.
07:40 You know, where he is coming from,
07:42 coming and going.
07:43 Where he is coming, where he is going
07:45 with this particular thing, and of course, Sabbath,
07:47 as a day is, is not mentioned here.
07:49 So we are not dealing with the Sabbath discussion.
07:52 We are dealing with as we said,
07:54 ancillary things, auxiliary things,
07:56 doubtful things that could be a matter of opinion.
07:59 Sabbath as we've said
08:01 so clearly is not a matter of opinion.
08:03 That is something that comes down from God
08:05 for man's benefit, yeah, yeah.
08:07 You know what's interesting,
08:08 it just hit me and I will just,
08:09 I will say this 'cause this could go with any subject
08:11 that people study in the word of God.
08:14 God's word came to us not by accident.
08:17 It's not one book, it's made up of 66 books
08:20 by many different authors and it was put together,
08:23 I believe with very lot of attention to deep study
08:28 and to God's leading in which books
08:31 made up the canon of scripture. Yes.
08:34 And if a book that they read, and there are many books
08:36 that did not make the canon of scripture.
08:38 If there are any books, it seem to be out of harmony
08:41 with the teachings of the broad scope
08:44 of teachings of the church,
08:46 of Paul's writings, of the Apostles,
08:49 it was not included. Precisely.
08:51 Why don't we do that with any topic
08:55 'cause if you take and I am answering the question
08:58 about taking something out of context.
08:59 If you take a verse out of context
09:02 and you make up your mind about what it saying.
09:05 But then that verse if you make up,
09:07 if you conclude that is out of harmony
09:09 with any of the rest of the word. Yeah.
09:12 You must then denounce so to speak that position,
09:16 because it doesn't fit with scripture.
09:19 So if God was so careful in putting together
09:21 the canon of scripture.
09:23 Why aren't we more careful in putting together
09:25 the truth of God's word to make sure it
09:28 harmonizes with all the scripture,
09:31 and we know, we can pick any subject
09:32 and talk about, anyone of them
09:35 where of course--Prophet Isaiah says,
09:37 "Here a little, there a little,
09:38 line upon line, precept upon precept."
09:41 You know very carefully
09:43 gaining knowledge from the word
09:45 and that is the method of Bible study.
09:47 Yeah, yeah! You know it is so easy
09:50 to rip things out of context as this program being taped,
09:52 the Olympics are on.
09:53 And my wife and I was sitting watching other night,
09:55 I'll say, you know, it really be cool
09:56 to be wearing those speed skates.
09:58 Now I can claim Philippians say,
10:01 I can do all things through Christ.
10:03 Well, I can be a ski free skate,
10:05 I don't think so. It's not going to fly.
10:08 I am trying to get the image
10:09 of C.A. going around on speed skate.
10:12 Let me add a little, little tight pant, that uniform.
10:14 It's not going to fly, it just not.
10:16 You know so there is a context for that,
10:19 you know, He is talking about sacrificial things,
10:20 things that pertain unto salvation.
10:22 Not just anything you want that comes to your mind.
10:24 So we--you know I don't say,
10:26 there are five questions, John,
10:27 before you make application of text as who said it,
10:31 what did it say, what did it mean.
10:33 Let, I give you to make a statement like
10:35 that guys out to lunch, well, is he either gone
10:39 from his desk at lunch or he is kind of office rocker
10:42 which is another, you know, so what did it say,
10:44 but also what did it mean.
10:45 Then what did those who hear him,
10:49 what did they interpret from it.
10:51 Then you can make application,
10:52 and you've got always ask at least those five questions
10:54 before you can say this is what the text means
10:56 or this is how I apply it.
10:59 So this does not mean Sabbath,
11:01 it means something else
11:02 and should not be applied to Sabbath,
11:04 because Sabbath was not the intended
11:05 burden of this particular text, yeah.
11:06 Yeah, very good. Thank you, thank you.
11:09 Here is a questions, I'm gonna read
11:10 actually a couple of them
11:11 'cause they kind of go together,
11:13 and we can go back and forth here a little bit
11:15 on this 'cause this is a question
11:16 that has been asked before,
11:17 but it's been sometimes since we've answered it.
11:21 This question comes from Denise.
11:23 Thank you, Denise.
11:24 She says, I understand that
11:25 there are three different views
11:26 regarding the second coming of our Lord.
11:29 First, I understand the time was shortened
11:30 to five months and because of the elect say,
11:35 to save them Matthew 24 expresses that,
11:37 you know, the shortening of the end of time.
11:41 And there is, of course, people who literally interpret
11:44 five months prophetically to try and arrive it
11:46 at what time that would be.
11:48 Second, some churches explain
11:50 as this end time period as seven years.
11:54 Three and half for the system,
11:57 the false system to be set up three and half years
11:59 for the ruler ship of the antichrist.
12:02 Third is the belief that three and half years was
12:07 Christ prophetic time, three and half days,
12:11 prophetic time three and half years
12:12 with this time that Christ ruled on
12:15 or came down in His first advent
12:16 to teach His disciples and to save the world
12:19 and then, of course, the last three and half years
12:21 being, you know, post-cross and that working out 234 A.D.
12:28 which you've heard teachers express,
12:30 preachers here on 3ABN for a quite sometime,
12:33 and so they apply that to Christ for its advent,
12:36 not the end of time.
12:37 And she is saying that, you know,
12:38 all these different views, you know, what is it.
12:41 And then here is a second question
12:43 that comes in from someone else.
12:44 Does a rapture take place pre-trib or post-trib?
12:48 So I'll throw that in there too,
12:50 because what that means is pre-tribulation,
12:52 just Christ come before the tribulation
12:54 to take His church or does He come
12:56 after the tribulation, is that an appearing of Christ,
12:59 the second time to then take us home to live with Him
13:03 for the thousand year period.
13:05 And so let's talk a little bit about this
13:07 because it seems to be, there seems to be
13:09 a lot of confusions about this, you know.
13:11 The first thing he mentioned is this
13:12 three and half year period
13:13 if you turn to Daniel Chapter 9.
13:21 You're gonna find the passage
13:22 that is used here to express this three and half year
13:31 or actually a seven year last week of prophecy.
13:36 Let's see here.
13:44 Well, I make sure I get out of 7 and get over to
13:46 I am supposed to be. Here we go.
13:49 Okay, it says in verse 23 of Daniel 9,
13:55 "I have come to tell you."
13:56 This is the angels speaking to Daniel,
13:58 "For you are greatly beloved,
14:00 therefore consider the matter,
14:01 and understand the vision."
14:02 And this is the vision of the 2300 days
14:05 that was previously given to Daniel
14:07 in Chapter 8 verses 13 and 14.
14:11 And then we have--it seems like another time prophecy
14:14 that goes on from here which is known
14:16 as the seventy-week prophecy.
14:18 Seventy-weeks is seventy time seven 490 years
14:21 in prophetic time.
14:24 And he talks about how that prophetic time goes on here
14:27 and it seems to clearly pertain to,
14:28 if you look in verse 24.
14:31 "It pertains to Daniel's people
14:32 who are the Jews" Correct.
14:35 And so this is the time that they have to
14:39 that are set aside determined, it says,
14:42 "That are to finish transgression
14:44 making end of sins, reconciliation for iniquity,
14:47 bring in everlasting righteousness,
14:48 seal up the vision and prophecy,
14:50 anoint the Most Holy."
14:52 We can't miss those words, we can't pass those quickly.
14:55 Anoint Him the Most Holy is
14:57 anointing Jesus Christ for His work.
15:01 And then he says that this time period in verse 25,
15:03 "Begins at the command to restore
15:05 and build Jerusalem until, Messiah the Prince,
15:09 takes up the largest portion of this time
15:11 which is seven weeks and sixty two weeks
15:14 which totaled sixty-nine. Right.
15:16 Now, we're not gonna spend all our time
15:18 going in every detail of this
15:19 but I just want to give you
15:20 general recap of this teaching.
15:24 And so from the time of this command,
15:26 restore and rebuilt Jerusalem
15:29 which indicated in Ezra Chapter 6 and 7.
15:33 It indicates Artaxerxes has been
15:36 involved in that commands.
15:37 So you must take his commands 457 B.C.
15:41 Count forward then to this time which means
15:44 the Messiah would need to arrive on the scene
15:47 at the year A.D. 27.
15:51 And we know clearly from other scriptures
15:53 that he, in fact does, Luke 3 tells us
15:56 in the--I believe is the fifteen year,
16:00 I don't want to misquote, so look at it really fast.
16:03 Luke Chapter 3, "Fifteenth year
16:10 of the of the reign of Tiberius Caesar"
16:12 If you read on, it says, "Jesus was Baptized
16:15 or anointed for His work,
16:16 precisely, by the Holy Spirit."
16:18 And if you take a look at Tiberius Caesar reign,
16:21 although he took over sole supremacy in 14 A.D.
16:25 He actually co-ruled with his brother in 12 A.D. Correct.
16:28 So you can forward 15 years, 27 A.D.
16:31 fits perfectly right on time,
16:33 Jesus came 483 years out of the 490
16:37 right after it was to begin.
16:39 Now I said, a lot there, so you have to rewind the tape
16:41 if you are taping.
16:44 And so much of that is, is accepted.
16:47 When we go, we pick up verse 26 in Daniel 9.
16:50 You've got threescore and two weeks
16:52 and then you've got seven so.
16:55 The sixty-nine weeks is pretty much
16:58 universally accepted.
16:59 It's the last week
17:00 where we run into problems. There you go.
17:01 Where there is sort of division.
17:03 And I think that's where,
17:06 her question actually is coming from. Right.
17:08 What do we do with that last seven days.
17:12 How do we adjust the appose and the problem is
17:15 that there are some theologians
17:18 and they are into manordect I dare say,
17:20 who take that seven days
17:22 and remove it that seven days,
17:24 at last we can remove it from the others
17:28 and bring it way down to the end of time,
17:30 and that's where we have the problem.
17:33 Rather than putting in as part of the seventy weeks,
17:35 somehow they yank that out of context
17:38 and toss it way down to the end of time
17:41 and it confuses people,
17:42 because it doesn't really fit there,
17:44 it's part of the seventy-week period.
17:45 Right, and its decree so-called
17:48 a Gap Theory. A Gap Theory.
17:49 You know, they take the time at 483 years,
17:54 cut it off, take that last seven
17:55 and put it at the end of time. Right.
17:57 And they apply it to, not Jesus Christ,
18:00 but they apply it to the antichrist.
18:03 Yes, yeah, yeah.
18:04 Now, I will say that there is an enemy
18:07 that is mentioned here in this passage,
18:10 but here we talked about this here
18:11 a few minutes ago, Pastor Murray.
18:14 Context, context, context. Oh, yes.
18:16 This is a Messianic prophecy.
18:20 It is the prophecy of the Messiah.
18:22 He is appearing on the scene and His work,
18:25 what He is doing, what He is establishing
18:28 as part of His kingdom, the beginning of His taking
18:32 back of His kingdom until He come,
18:34 comes and gets the saint of that time--
18:36 And that's crucial, John,
18:37 to the understanding of this prophecy,
18:40 this passage, it's about the Messiah. Yes.
18:43 Not about Satan, not about the antichrist,
18:46 not about end time, but the inauguration
18:49 of his Messiahship and the work
18:51 that was going to be spread
18:52 from the Jewish community to the world.
18:53 And pastor, as you well know that,
18:55 that understanding is crucial to work in your way
18:58 through this particular prophecy.
18:59 Absolutely. Yeah.
19:00 So let's look at a couple things here.
19:01 If you look at verse 26, you've already mentioned
19:04 about the sixty-two weeks after though sixty-two weeks
19:07 that's seven plus sixty-two by the way.
19:10 So this is in the-we are now in the 483rd year
19:12 after that it says,
19:15 "The Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself."
19:19 So here we are already in the last week
19:22 and who is he talking about? Messiah still.
19:24 The Messiah being cut off,
19:25 not about antichrist, but the Messiah.
19:27 So we got to be staying with this Messiah
19:31 mindset here as we go through this.
19:33 "And the people of the prince who is to come
19:36 shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
19:39 The end of it shall be with a flood,
19:41 until the end of the war desolations are determined."
19:44 So it indicates here that as the Messiah is cut off,
19:48 there is also going to be some kind of judgment
19:50 from this prince that comes to destroy the city
19:52 and destroy the sanctuary.
19:53 Well, we know that happened in history,
19:56 back very much in this time.
19:59 Going on verse 27, "Then he shall confirm a covenant
20:04 with many for one week"
20:06 Now there is the big word with only two letters.
20:11 Who is he? Who is he?
20:13 Who is she?
20:16 And this is where the diversions occurs,
20:20 precisely, between various teachers of this prophecy.
20:25 And as we've already said, praise the Lord,
20:27 hopefully we are looking at the minority of them,
20:28 but it is growing that he applies to the antichrist,
20:33 but here remember, who is this prophecy about?
20:35 It's a prophecy about the Messiah,
20:37 the anointed one.
20:38 The he there should be capitalized,
20:41 because it pertains to Messiah.
20:43 "He shall confirm a covenant with many for one week.
20:47 But in the middle of the week He shall bring
20:49 an end to sacrifice and offering.
20:50 And on the wing of abominations
20:51 shall be one who makes desolate,
20:54 Even until the consummation, which is determined,
20:56 is poured out on the desolate."
20:58 So there is an enemy that's opposing his work here
21:01 to confirm the covenant.
21:04 Who would be the enemy
21:05 that would oppose the work of Christ
21:06 to confirm the covenant
21:08 that He promised to Abraham way back when
21:11 who would be the enemy?
21:12 None other, but Satan himself and his army,
21:16 whoever he chooses to do his work. Yeah.
21:19 And so, and the other thing here too,
21:22 who will bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
21:25 You know, it's funny, how we--the Bible puts
21:30 so many he's, you've got to kind of
21:32 keep your he straight, so reckon you went through this.
21:34 But up into this point he is talking about Jesus
21:37 that confirm the covenant talking about Jesus.
21:40 Causing and sacrifices simply is an illusion
21:44 to the death of Christ which once that happen,
21:47 the daily sacrificial system was not effect anymore.
21:51 It wasn't any good.
21:52 Once Christ made that ultimate sacrifice
21:54 which is the burden of the Book of Hebrews
21:57 almost totally, at least of the first third
21:59 that we have a better sacrifice.
22:01 We have a truer sacrifice, a more complete sacrifice
22:04 when Christ gave His life for us.
22:07 The sacrificial system came to its end.
22:09 Now who would oppose that, of course,
22:11 that would be the enemy, that would be the Satan.
22:13 But it's work in your way through the he's,
22:16 you know, that sort of keeps you on track with this thing.
22:18 Yeah, very much so.
22:20 And so He brings, it says,
22:23 this end to sacrifice and offering,
22:25 and some now would say, okay,
22:26 this is the antichrist which they believe it is.
22:29 This is the antichrist somehow in the Middle East
22:32 or even in the holy land ceasing or putting at end
22:36 to any sacrifices that are being made there,
22:38 so they believe, okay.
22:39 Then at some point here the Jewish system
22:41 is going to reinitiate or is going to initiate
22:44 it's sacrificial system again.
22:46 And the antichrist will oppose that
22:48 bring and end to it.
22:49 That's not what it is saying. Not at all.
22:52 The symbol there that we find, it's not a symbol,
22:54 it's a literal act how God tore in the-through the veil,
23:01 between the most holy and the holy place.
23:04 He tore it from not bottom to top,
23:06 but top to bottom showing that,
23:09 that sacrificial system had ended.
23:12 And from what we understand here,
23:13 I know, it doesn't say so much from scripture,
23:16 but legend tells us that the lamb got away.
23:20 Because that lamb could no longer be sacrifice here
23:23 because Christ was the lamb being sacrificed.
23:26 And so this is what this prophecy is talking about
23:28 and so be careful I would say with anybody
23:30 that takes the seven years pertaining to Christ
23:33 and puts them at the end of time
23:35 pertaining to the antichrist,
23:36 because what in effect they are doing pastor is,
23:40 they are substituting Christ for the antichrist.
23:46 They are fulfilling what the antichrist
23:48 wants to do anyway.
23:49 He wants to assume the work of Christ.
23:51 They are helping him do it
23:52 by saying this pertains to
23:54 not Christ but the antichrist
23:56 Yeah, when you lead in your very first scripture,
24:00 seventy-weeks are determined.
24:01 We are talking about a block of time
24:04 that is not to be segmented and sort of moved around
24:07 like chess pieces on the board.
24:08 You're dealing with a block of time
24:10 and all of this is going to take place
24:11 within this block of time.
24:13 It's just showing you the difference segments
24:15 of the block of time but it's a package,
24:17 it's a package deal.
24:18 So that when you get to verse 27,
24:21 it all is part of what starts off in verse 24. Yeah, yeah.
24:24 And here is another way we know that this cannot be
24:26 taken from--the seven years can't be taken from there
24:30 and put at the end of time.
24:31 Here is the way we know, because this 490 year period
24:33 is part of the 2300 days or years of prophecy. Yes, yes.
24:38 It's the beginning of it marks the larger time
24:41 period of 2300 years and if you--so that means
24:45 the 490 has to encompass or be encompass within the 2300.
24:50 Right, you can't take in tack around to back end.
24:52 And if you tack it on the end
24:53 you just completely obliterated
24:55 proper hermeneutics per say, prophetic hermeneutics here.
24:58 Very true. And it just does not work.
25:00 So now to answer the question that was asked
25:03 and we got there over the long way, didn't we?
25:06 To answer this question, is there three and half years,
25:10 and three and half years at the end of time
25:11 we have to say no. No.
25:13 There clearly is no seven year period of tribulation,
25:17 three and half years the start of the antichrist,
25:19 then manifesting himself
25:20 in three and half years of tyranny per say.
25:23 What we have to say here is that the scripture
25:25 seems very clear that Christ comes,
25:27 Jesus comes visibly, audibly,
25:31 every one will know it and He will take His church
25:35 at that point and the resurrected saints
25:37 and living saints at the same time
25:39 to His heavenly kingdom to live and reign with Him
25:41 for a thousand years, Revelation Chapter 20. Yeah.
25:44 And there is before that time, a tribulation.
25:49 So one answer to one of the question is,
25:52 Christ, the rapture of the church.
25:54 And I use rapture not in the secret rapture term.
25:57 I see rapture in the catching up of the saints, yes,
25:59 to meet the Lord in the air occurs
26:02 after the tribulation, it's post-tribulation, not pre.
26:05 There is no evidence of pre-tribulation
26:07 that I can find, although that many of that espouses
26:10 other thing we were just talking about do.
26:13 But it's post-tribulation,
26:15 the church will go through that period of time,
26:18 and the Christ will deliver His church.
26:19 And I don't think there is any evidence,
26:21 pastor, that throughout scripture
26:23 that the church doesn't experience hard times
26:25 at the end. No, no, no.
26:28 You know, Daniel as a prophetic book
26:30 is-prophecy take some work, but it's not that tough
26:35 if you allow the Bible to explain itself.
26:39 If you allow the Bible to open itself for you
26:44 and not make assumptions.
26:45 When you sort of put in these kinds of things,
26:47 that's why this person is confused,
26:49 because they have been listening to some theology
26:51 that has really twisted this particular text.
26:54 But if you follow step after step,
26:56 you will find particularly the Book of Daniel.
26:58 Revelation is more of a challenge, yeah,
27:00 but Daniel will explain himself very logically
27:04 and very sequentially.
27:06 It becomes non-secular when you take things
27:08 and move things around and sort of twist things up.
27:11 But if you follow the Bible
27:12 as it's opening itself to you,
27:13 you will find that Daniel particularly
27:15 opens this stuff very nicely and does a really nice job
27:18 of walking you through what Daniel,
27:20 and the angle is trying to show you. Yeah, yeah.
27:22 The last thing I may say on this too is that the reason
27:25 why this 2300 years, 490 years gets a "bad rap"
27:31 it's because it's identified during this great
27:33 awakening period of the mid-nineteen century,
27:35 the eighteen hundreds.
27:37 As people were being converted and changed
27:40 by the power of this message
27:42 how, when Christ did not return in 1844.
27:47 They didn't just, they threw out everything
27:51 with regard to that prophecy,
27:52 not just the misinterpretation
27:54 of what the fulfillment was. Yes.
27:56 The fulfillment was misinterpreted.
27:59 They believe that the cleansing of the sanctuary
28:01 was the return of Jesus Christ to the earth,
28:03 the sanctuary was the earth.
28:05 And because He didn't come, they said,
28:06 O all these numbers and things,
28:08 no they are misinterpreted, let's throw it out.
28:11 We've got it wrong.
28:12 But they had it very right,
28:14 but the event it pointed to was very wrong. Yeah.
28:17 And that event, the cleansing of the sanctuary
28:19 had more to do with Christ high priestly ministry
28:22 in the heavenly sanctuary. Precisely.
28:25 Not Christ returning to an earthly sanctuary.
28:28 And if you want to understand that little bit better,
28:29 just read Hebrews 7, 8, 9, and 10,
28:33 and you're gonna find, it replete with language
28:36 on Christ, the high priest, the heavenly sanctuary,
28:39 not the one in the earth,
28:40 the one on the earth was a copy
28:41 of the heavenly. Precisely.
28:43 That's what this prophecy is pointing to,
28:46 and to miss that is a incredible disservice
28:48 to theology in general. Yes.
28:51 As it's the bases of our understanding
28:52 of the plan of salvation.
28:53 I love answering this question,I don't know,
28:55 we've got to get to our bottom of our show,
28:57 but answering question is so important so far
28:59 because that's where the people are. Yeah.
29:02 All of this really, when you attack and I use that term
29:05 attack Daniel 9, Daniel Chapter 9.
29:07 You really got to do 8 and 9,
29:09 and you've got to pick up 8:14 which introduces
29:12 2300 days and then you work your way through.
29:16 Daniel needs to be studied,
29:17 studied as a whole to try to just pull something out
29:20 and say this is it.
29:21 You really got to look at context
29:23 when you look into Daniel.
29:24 So Daniel, the burden of Daniel 9,
29:27 really begins in Daniel 8 and to a lesser extent,
29:30 but also Daniel 7.
29:32 So you can't really have one without the other.
29:35 Yeah, and I like the point you are making there,
29:37 because most don't realize that this vision
29:39 that Daniel received and the interpretation of
29:41 it was one vision. Precisely.
29:44 The 2300 days or years, prophetic days
29:48 was a single vision given to Daniel
29:50 about the end of time.
29:52 So even when the angel comes back in 9 to explain it,
29:55 he is talking about the original vision
29:57 of the 2300 years. Yes.
29:59 People don't realize that either,
30:00 they think it's a totally different prophecy.
30:02 But this is the same one that's why Daniel is so key
30:05 and so important in our understanding of prophecy.
30:08 Precisely, yeah. Praise the Lord.
30:09 Bible study is so exciting.
30:12 Really quick, Elaine writes,
30:15 she is--could you help me understand necessity
30:20 of attending church wherever possible
30:23 I realize the sickness isolation
30:25 those kinds of things, may not be able to
30:29 attend She is talking about Hebrew, of course, 10:25.
30:34 Some believe camping out with unbelievers,
30:36 attending birthday parties et cetera,
30:38 fall under the idea of doing good on Sabbath.
30:42 You know, it's lawful to do good on Sabbath,
30:43 Christ said in Matthew Chapter 12.
30:46 Can you help me with this
30:47 to gain some balance in this manner?
30:50 Obviously she is dealing with some people
30:53 whose definition of that which is acceptable
30:55 on Sabbath is very broad. Right.
31:00 You can go to birthday party,
31:01 you can be with friends, you can camp out,
31:03 you can do all kinds of things on Sabbath
31:05 in lieu of attending church
31:07 and all these kinds of stuff is acceptable too.
31:11 And I guess they are hitting her
31:12 with Matthew Chapter 12,
31:15 and I'm going to try to get that real fast.
31:19 And they are saying it's lawful to do good on Sabbath
31:21 and these things are good.
31:24 So I guess that the crux is,
31:26 pastor, the definition of good.
31:28 Well, the definition again comes on the context
31:32 of the chapter that we're dealing with
31:35 in Matthew Chapter 12.
31:37 They are accosting Christ for a couple of things:
31:39 One, His disciples went to through a field,
31:43 plucks a maize of corn and ate the raw corn.
31:47 The second thing was a healing
31:49 that He did on the Sabbath
31:51 and, of course they-- I'll use the term
31:53 modern palace got on his case about the healing.
31:57 And, of course, his answer was,
31:58 it's lawful to do good on the Sabbath.
32:00 Well, again look, rest of the context because
32:02 Christ says, hey, if your sheep falls in a ditch,
32:05 your ox falls in the ditch.
32:07 You are not going to leave him there saying
32:08 it's Sabbath, can't help that poor dumb animal out.
32:11 You go and you get the animal out.
32:15 And so I healed.
32:16 It's lawful to do good on the Sabbath.
32:18 Well, what's the context for good?
32:20 Good is lifting the burdens and life lightening the load
32:23 of fellow human beings.
32:25 I don't think, going to a birthday party,
32:26 falls in that category.
32:28 Yeah. I really don't.
32:29 I remember one Sabbath, on the Friday night,
32:31 my first elder's house burned,
32:34 almost burned to the ground.
32:36 And so we cancelled church service,
32:40 went home, changed our clothes,
32:42 cooked some food, and help him dig out,
32:45 you know, Sabbath afternoon.
32:48 Help him recover what he could,
32:50 and I and we prayed and we sang and neighbors came
32:52 and they saw that, and were very impressed.
32:56 I think that was an acceptable Sabbath activity,
32:59 because it was an emergency situation.
33:01 We were helping lift the load
33:03 of someone who was really in trouble.
33:05 You know, that's acceptable.
33:07 Going to a birthday party
33:08 doesn't fall in the category for me.
33:09 You know, when I was a young Christian,
33:12 really trying to find out what does it
33:14 mean to observe the Sabbath.
33:15 What activities can I and cannot do,
33:17 and you know, you are fallen
33:19 to this trap of do's and don'ts, I want the list.
33:21 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Makes it is.
33:22 Just give me list. And there really is no list.
33:26 Then you have to, you have to come up with
33:29 you got to experiment a bit, if I say.
33:31 Experiment a bit as far as observing
33:34 personal observing of the Sabbath of the holy day.
33:37 And I remember for time there
33:39 at the very beginning, one of the activities
33:41 that I chose to try to do.
33:42 I say, do you know what?
33:44 My friends are asking me, it's a weekend.
33:46 There is a basketball tournament down at the beach.
33:49 And I'm gonna go with my friends
33:50 and play on this three on three tournament
33:53 and you know, its not anything
33:55 that's overtly wrong but, you know,
33:57 what I can witness to my friends little bit,
33:59 or be in conversion the car,
34:01 I'll get down there, all have,
34:03 good sportsmanship and you know what,
34:05 I did it that day.
34:07 And afterward I felt guilty, and here is why?
34:11 Because I didn't spend time with the Lord
34:14 like I thought I was going to.
34:16 I didn't witness as I thought I was going to.
34:19 I got cut off in the competition
34:21 of the whole thing, and I really found out that,
34:24 that activity was not conducive to my relationship,
34:27 improving my relationship with Jesus.
34:30 And so I asked myself all the time now days
34:33 whenever it comes to an event.
34:35 Can this activity help me in furthering
34:38 my relationship with Jesus,
34:40 and sharing and help the others,
34:42 improve their relationship with Christ,
34:44 lifting burden would be one of those things.
34:47 And if I cannot, if I cannot
34:48 do this activity with Jesus, I excluded.
34:52 And it's fairly become,
34:53 fairly simple for me these things now.
34:55 And so I would say anybody who is looking for the list,
35:00 if you have any question about it
35:01 and you decide to do something, if you are
35:03 finding uncomfortableness in what you did.
35:06 God doesn't condemn you for that
35:07 but He is saying learn from that.
35:10 And then take it off your list,
35:11 if you want a list and move forward
35:14 and do things that are much more
35:16 conducive to your relationship.
35:18 Much more better than the a list is to
35:21 develop a working relationship with Christ
35:23 because that will-- it's really a case-by-case basis
35:27 but it's informed by your love of
35:30 and your work with Jesus.
35:31 There are some things, that perhaps
35:34 now as a pastor of the church
35:36 who has grown in the Lord that maybe when you
35:38 first came in and you said, that's not so bad,
35:40 including what you just did.
35:41 Now that's not even a question
35:43 because your relationship with God
35:45 informs what you're gonna do,
35:47 and there is this kind of impression,
35:50 it's called discernment, as you walk with the Lord,
35:53 as you hear something the spirit is saying,
35:56 you know, not going to fly.
35:58 No way you can massage it, no way you can spin it,
36:00 that's not a correct Sabbath activity.
36:02 And the closer you walk with the Lord,
36:05 the louder that becomes.
36:06 If you put on your shorts and sneaker now
36:09 on the Sabbath morning.
36:10 You couldn't even get out of the door,
36:12 you know, you just couldn't
36:13 because the spirit will be hitting you
36:14 so hard because you know, that's not acceptable.
36:17 And one of the things that she alluded to,
36:19 that's why the Lord says 'Forsake not the assembling
36:21 of yourselves together."
36:22 There is accountability factor and, of course,
36:25 if you are in church on Sabbath day,
36:27 no question that's the right thing to do
36:28 because the Bible asked you to do that.
36:30 Once you start skipping church for whatever reason
36:32 you really need to question,
36:34 why you are doing it and does that activity
36:37 bring you closer to God,
36:38 give you better knowledge of God,
36:39 increase your walk with the Lord.
36:40 Yeah, amen.
36:43 In fact, Isaiah 58 mentions about
36:47 keep from doing your own pleasure on my holy day.
36:50 You know, it's something I want so badly
36:52 or is it something that the Lord will want,
36:54 He will be with me.
36:55 Thank you very much for your questions again.
36:57 Please send the questions into housecalls@3abn.org
37:01 that's our email address set up specifically
37:03 for this questions housecalls@3abn.org.
37:07 or send mail directly to us at 3ABN
37:11 or the other option would be call the call centre
37:13 and I know they take some of those questions as well.
37:15 So thank you very much for sending those in.
37:18 Pastor Murray, we have a topic that is
37:22 we could really dive deeply into
37:24 and this is the topic involving
37:26 the titles that Jesus had mostly walk,
37:29 He was here of Savior and Lord.
37:33 What do those things mean, are they are the same?
37:36 Does we hear frequently, someone will say, well,
37:38 Jesus is my Lord and my Savior.
37:40 And it's almost as if it just kind of
37:41 that's the whole title together.
37:45 But what we want to do is
37:46 differentiate a little bit here
37:47 for a while, what those titles mean.
37:51 And then, of course, maybe if the program
37:53 goes to a second program,
37:55 we can talk a little bit more about
37:56 what it means to make Him our Lord
37:59 because that's really where we want to go here.
38:02 Jesus is mostly known for being our Savior,
38:04 the Savior of the world.
38:05 In fact, we'll start off with one text
38:07 from Matthew Chapter 1.
38:11 Matthew Chapter 1 verse, I think its 21, yeah 21,
38:18 speaking of, it's a prophetic verse.
38:21 "She will bring forth a Son,
38:24 and you shall call His name Jesus."
38:27 Speaking of Mary. Bringing forth Jesus.
38:30 "For He will save His people from their sins."
38:34 There we find in essence, the essence or the meaning
38:39 of Jesus being our Savior.
38:41 He will save us from our sins.
38:43 He will take the penalty that is meant for us.
38:46 He will bare that on the cross.
38:47 He will bare our sins, and He will save us
38:50 rather than allow us to go to destruction.
38:53 That is the essence of the meaning of Savior.
38:55 Yeah, you know, Jesus is Savior, John,
38:58 because of His volitional act.
39:00 It really has nothing to do with us.
39:03 Yeah. The Savior part is His.
39:05 We're gonna talk about the Lord in a minute,
39:07 but He is the Savior of the world.
39:08 When He went to the cross,
39:10 He became de facto Savior of the world.
39:13 Now whether we accept it or apply it,
39:15 that's the next part,
39:17 but He is the Savior of the world.
39:20 No man cometh to the father but by me.
39:22 He said, He is Savior.
39:26 Whether you accept it or not, that's on you.
39:28 Yeah. But He is our Savior.
39:31 No one else has done that, no one else could do it,
39:33 no one else will ever do it.
39:34 His sacrifice was sufficient once
39:36 and for all time again the burden
39:38 of the Book of Hebrews, He is undoubtly,
39:41 unquestionably Savior of the world.
39:44 You know, you put that much better than I.
39:46 I actually have some of my sermon that I gave recently
39:49 on the Sabbath, it kind of helps,
39:50 pull some thought together,
39:51 but I did not share that aspect in it,
39:54 but I like the way you are putting that
39:55 because there is no ifs, ands,
39:57 buts about it, He is the Savior.
39:59 He is the Savior, right. That's Him.
40:00 I mean, whether I accept it or not.
40:03 And that's key because that's not the same
40:07 with the title Lord. Precisely.
40:09 Not at all. No.
40:10 He is not everybody's Lord,
40:12 but He is everybody's Savior.
40:13 Yeah, just like, He is everybody's creator.
40:16 No one else did it without Him.
40:19 Colossians says, "Was not anything made that was made."
40:22 Whether you accept it or not,
40:23 whether you like it or not, whether you're scientist
40:25 who believes it or not, that doesn't change the fact.
40:27 He is the creator, and He is Savior.
40:30 Can't unalterable, unchangeable, irresistible,
40:33 He is it, yeah. Yeah. I like it.
40:35 You know, and here is another aspect,
40:37 that's the de facto part.
40:38 You can say, I like that word even.
40:41 But as we re-transition now to those who apply
40:44 who accept Him as their Savior.
40:47 Now staying on the subject of Savior here for moment.
40:50 To accept Him as their Savior,
40:52 we can save then that, that fact has now been applied
40:55 to them for a benefit, receiving the benefit
40:57 of salvation through our Savior Jesus Christ,
41:02 and what He has done for Him.
41:04 And I mentioned that because there is a tie here
41:06 that we cannot dismiss to justification.
41:11 We talk about sanctification and Lord
41:13 here in just a minute, but there is a tie here
41:15 to justification and Christ being our Savior,
41:19 and let's march through that a little bit,
41:20 because this justification is a big word
41:23 and so may struggled with it, but what does that mean?
41:26 Yeah, you know, it's funny.
41:29 And my mind goes back to this,
41:30 years ago when I first came out of school,
41:33 I had a--you know, when you first graduate from school,
41:36 the credit card companies jump on you
41:38 to give you this credit cards.
41:39 I was so afraid of getting credit card there.
41:42 I wouldn't use the card, you know, I just had it.
41:45 There was an account open for me that I wouldn't use,
41:48 you know, there was the-- I had credit but I was--
41:50 I wouldn't avail myself.
41:53 And I think about that with Christ as Savior
41:55 and justification experience.
41:58 Once we come to Christ, there is this account open.
42:03 There is credit for you.
42:06 But you got to accept it, you know,
42:07 Christ said, hey, you are okay.
42:10 You're gonna walk into that,
42:11 you're gonna use that, or you're gonna kind of
42:13 stay on the outside, just kind of looking in.
42:15 He is our Savior and when we come to Him,
42:19 immediately we get credit.
42:22 We get credit for something
42:24 that we have not yet attained.
42:26 He just says, from now on since you love me,
42:29 I'm gonna look at you as though you are perfect.
42:32 I'm gonna look at you in a sinless state,
42:35 not because I'm looking a perfect person,
42:38 I'm kind looking through
42:39 my own blood stain glasses dare I say,
42:42 and when I look through the blood of Christ,
42:44 I see you as perfect.
42:46 I'm giving you my life, the perfect life I live,
42:48 precisely, as your own.
42:50 And that's why there is this imagery of the covering,
42:52 being covered with the righteous robe,
42:55 the garment of Christ, because when we are covered
42:58 even though we are stained inside,
43:00 the Father sees Christ in our life.
43:03 That John, really is
43:04 a mind blowing reality, it really is.
43:08 There you are with your striped shirt on, you know,
43:12 and Christ says I'm not going to see you, John,
43:14 with your striped shirt on. Right.
43:16 I'm gonna see you with a perfectly white robe,
43:19 because I chose to.
43:20 Is not that I--I can see you like this,
43:24 but I choose to see you another way
43:26 that--and there is nothing you've done to merit that.
43:30 It's, the Father saying, since Christ has done this,
43:34 from now on that's going to color dare I say.
43:37 Everything I see about you, so I'm going to look at you
43:40 as though you are perfect.
43:42 I'm going to treat you as though you are perfect.
43:45 I'm going to adopt you as a child of mine
43:48 and give you all the benefits
43:50 that accrue from that adoption,
43:53 and you deserve absolutely none of it.
43:56 But I am doing it because my son Jesus
43:59 has sacrificed His blood for you.
44:00 That just kind of knocks you out, man,
44:03 it's just marvelous. You can do it.
44:04 You can do anything with it.
44:06 All you yon can do is just say, I accept it,
44:08 I want that. Yeah.
44:09 You know, and it a couple of verses come into mind.
44:13 Isaiah Chapter 1 talks about our sins maybe--
44:21 what is the word here, reddish crimson,
44:23 yes, he will be his world.
44:25 There will be stain, they will be like--
44:27 Like scarlet, but I'm going to make him white, yeah.
44:29 But I'm make him white as snow,
44:31 and so that imagery there is,
44:32 is the way God looks at us, and that's a wonderful
44:35 thing when you accept Christ as your Savior,
44:37 yeah, to be justified
44:39 and that's the word I am using here.
44:42 One text is from Romans Chapter 3 verse 25.
44:47 Actually starting with verse 23.
44:48 Let's back up a little bit.
44:50 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
44:53 In other words, we cannot do anything
44:55 to earn this salvation.
44:58 Verse 24, "Being justified" there is the word
45:01 justification is just an extension of that word
45:04 "justified freely buy his grace
45:06 through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
45:09 whom God set forth as a propitiation
45:11 by his blood through faith"
45:14 and that's the key word there
45:15 "Through faith to demonstrate his righteousness
45:17 because in his forbearance
45:19 God had past over the sins that were
45:23 previously committed to demonstrate
45:26 at the present time His righteousness,
45:28 that He might be just and the justifier
45:31 of the one who has faith in Jesus."
45:34 Here is this perfect gracious gift
45:38 that God has given to us to pass over our sins
45:42 if we had never sinned to be our Savior,
45:44 to have taken that penalty of sin on Himself
45:48 and to die that eternal separation
45:50 that we would have do experience,
45:52 had we not had the Savior?
45:54 It's just an amazing thought and, you know, what
45:57 one of the things that I have to mention here
46:00 when we read like Ephesians 2:8,
46:04 talking about by grace we've been saved
46:06 through faith, it's a gift of God.
46:08 Not of works, let's anyone boast.
46:11 When we talk about that verse,
46:12 that's typical what people think of as grace.
46:16 But there is actually several,
46:17 there is a couple aspects of grace.
46:19 Very true. That's saving grace.
46:22 That's the grace, none of the grace you can earn,
46:25 but that's the grace that saves you,
46:26 that justifies you which is what are talking about here.
46:30 And we're gonna transition here into,
46:33 not just the saving aspect of grace,
46:35 but a living and powering aspect of grace.
46:40 Of grace, really. Yes, yes.
46:42 You've mentioned the word and it jumped out of it
46:44 because it, if we continue to read verse 27, he says,
46:48 "Where is boasting then, you know,
46:50 when you look at the salvation process,
46:52 we really have nothing to sort of
46:54 thump our chest about.
46:56 And I am tapping on microphone,
46:57 I know my--the director and guys are going to
46:59 get upset, because you are not supposed to do that.
47:01 But what can you pound your chest about.
47:05 It begins with Jesus, it goes on all you can do,
47:10 is humbly say, Lord I praise you and I thank you.
47:14 You know God is saying because of what Christ
47:16 has done, you are not going to die,
47:21 not only are you not going to die, you're gonna live.
47:25 Not only are you going to live,
47:26 you are going to live victoriously.
47:29 You are going to be adopted into the family
47:32 with all the right and privileges thereof.
47:35 And have opened for you a line of credit
47:38 that you cannot overdraw.
47:40 Anytime you need strength, come and get it,
47:43 it's waiting there for you. Why?
47:46 Simply because you accept Christ.
47:49 It's marvelous, the initiative of God
47:53 to begin this act and all we have to do is stop fighting,
47:57 and all of these are ours.
47:59 Yeah. Yeah.
48:00 And this is the part of the free grace that we get,
48:03 and I see free grace not in that Christ
48:07 did it really easily and it was all free to Him,
48:09 I mean, it cost Christ everything.
48:11 It cost the Father everything
48:13 to give that to us, but it's free
48:14 and that we cannot earn it.
48:17 And there is, but there is a salvation aspect here
48:22 that I want to transition to here that,
48:25 that is the other part of His title.
48:28 He is Savior, He saved us from our sins but--
48:32 and He has justified us
48:33 freely as we've been talking about.
48:34 But then we get to a sanctification aspect,
48:37 the growth in Christ. Oh, yes.
48:39 The living day by day with Him,
48:41 because you see when He saves you and when you,
48:45 as a public expression of that salvation
48:47 are baptized into Him.
48:50 Christ also takes that symbol of baptism.
48:54 Going down to the oak,
48:55 letting the old man die and coming back in,
48:57 we did a recent program on that.
48:59 And then He says, I want to now fill you with My spirit.
49:04 So that you may walk in that salvation experience,
49:07 that saving that Christ as your Savior experience.
49:10 And this is the beginning of making Jesus,
49:13 your Lord and so this is the aspect,
49:17 I guess we didn't talk
49:18 a little bit about what Lord means.
49:21 And you go back, you know,
49:22 typically when I think of Lord,
49:23 I think of the English,
49:26 you know, you go back to that.
49:27 You see these old programs, you know,
49:29 the knights and all the other things and
49:31 stuff that, you know, you grew up
49:33 with the Lords since stuff that are
49:35 over there in England. Lord's small L.
49:37 Yeah, Lord's small L, absolutely, I forget that.
49:40 But the word Lord is very much the same.
49:45 Because Lord, there is authority in the household,
49:49 authority of the family.
49:51 He is in charge of all His resources?
49:54 And that's what Jesus is as He has
49:57 purchased back our redemption.
49:59 He has purchased us back.
50:00 Once we accept Him as our Savior,
50:02 the only place to go is to take the next step
50:06 and accept Him as the Lord of our life,
50:08 because we-- as being as part of His kingdom,
50:11 it is His resources, it is His spirit leading
50:14 and guiding us, Him providing for all of our needs.
50:18 We need to begin to think of Him as Lord,
50:20 not just our Savior. Very, very true.
50:23 And I like the illusion.
50:27 Sanctification, justification, Lord,
50:30 I've stepped in the mud and my shoes are muddy.
50:35 I need you to look at me
50:37 as though my shoes are not muddy,
50:39 while you are cleaning them, justification.
50:44 Now, Lord, I need you
50:45 to clean my shoes, sanctification.
50:49 But also I want you to direct my path,
50:52 so that I don't step in anymore mud, Lord.
50:55 Yeah. Lead me in the right way.
50:58 I am willing to say wherever you lead, I will follow.
51:02 Now I am making you Lord of my life.
51:04 And if You say go here, I go.
51:06 If you say make a left, I make a left.
51:08 I am making You Lord of my life.
51:10 I am surrendering to You because I know
51:12 if I take my own path, I am in mud up to my neck,
51:16 but if I will follow you, I can kind of be mud free.
51:20 So the key aspect you are saying
51:21 then of Lordship is leadership.
51:23 Precisely, yeah.
51:24 Which we have to connect to discipleship.
51:27 Oh, yes.
51:28 You can't get away from that.
51:30 It's it's--everybody wants Jesus to clean up the mess.
51:33 Nobody wants to live a messy life,
51:38 but the next step is ordering your life,
51:41 so that you cannot create any new messes,
51:44 so that you can live above that kind of life,
51:48 so that you can be free, so that sin does not have
51:51 dominion which you points it out
51:52 in your message over you anymore.
51:54 Yeah. Yeah.
51:55 There are very popular verse, First John 1:9,
51:57 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful
51:59 and just to forgive us our sins."
52:01 There is the Savior's aspect.
52:03 He has brought back or He is just in declaring you
52:09 righteous even though you are not.
52:12 But also then He cleanse us from all unrighteousness,
52:16 that's the washing, continually washing
52:18 think that's the leadership aspect of Lord,
52:21 that's the discipleship part and there is a lot we
52:24 say about discipleship, but really that's making
52:27 Jesus the decision maker in your life.
52:30 And I think that it is an aspect
52:32 that is difficult for us to do.
52:34 I mean, come on, who doesn't want to
52:36 avoid fires of hell, who doesn't want to
52:39 live in eternal bliss, who doesn't want to
52:42 experience those things, but I would ask the question.
52:46 Who wants to give up their life, as they know it.
52:51 You know, that's not,
52:52 that's not an easy thing necessarily
52:54 and that's why it requires the saving part first
52:57 because it-- our mind has to be transformed
52:59 to want to give our lives to Jesus for what He has done.
53:02 Then we've got to make the decision,
53:04 and it's a day by day taking up of our cross of dying
53:07 to remain in that decision to make Him our Lord.
53:11 Yes, and a number of things that accrue from that
53:13 including what we talked about little bit earlier.
53:15 As you walk with the Lord, you guess spread
53:17 the discernment as you surrender to Him.
53:20 The line between right and wrong also become clear,
53:24 so that, John Stanton, in this year,
53:27 is not the John Stanton of 10 years ago
53:29 and the idea of putting on short
53:30 and sneakers and playing basketball on Sabbath,
53:32 does not even occur you, because you are
53:33 much further along that road,
53:35 that's not even a temptation any more.
53:36 Because you are being sanctified,
53:38 your life has been cleansed.
53:39 I will take a quick start,
53:40 my mother used to come and visit me.
53:42 Now we are talking about your mom
53:43 just before we came on air.
53:45 One of the things that aggravate me
53:47 about my mother is that she is a compulsive cleaner.
53:49 When my mother would come to particularly
53:51 when I was single before I got married,
53:53 I was pasturing but I was single.
53:55 I would clean before she came to house,
53:57 because I know my mother's tendency,
53:59 and she get in, take off her coat and begin,
54:03 finding stuff to clean, you know,
54:04 it would kind of aggravate me because I said,
54:06 "I've already cleaned that mom."
54:07 She said like, "No, you didn't."
54:08 That's, that's not clean.
54:09 I was gonna say you clean it,
54:10 and she would clean behind the refrigerator,
54:13 she would clean the receiver of the phone,
54:14 she would clean under the toaster, you know,
54:16 she all these little places that
54:17 it didn't occurred me to catch.
54:20 And that's what the Holy Spirit does.
54:21 Once that comes into your life, it's like my mom,
54:24 clean, clean, clean, clean,
54:26 and you think that's pretty clean,
54:27 Holy Spirit, no, no, its not that clean.
54:29 Let me share you this; and the longer
54:31 you are with Him that sanctifying process
54:33 you see more and more that needs to be clean,
54:35 but you are actually getting better,
54:36 I say better and drawing closer to the Lord
54:39 through that cleaning process.
54:40 So He is faithful and just to forgive
54:44 and then He starts cleansing, and it never stops.
54:47 It continues till you close your eye.
54:48 You know, an amazing thing about that too is,
54:50 this is where both aspects are working together,
54:52 because during the entire cleaning process,
54:55 you are saved because of His Savior, yes,
54:58 experience, salvation experience.
55:00 But He is also cleaning you up.
55:02 And He is so patient, you can make mistakes
55:07 and it's not, oh, I am saved one moment
55:09 and I am not saved the next moment.
55:10 He doesn't do it, it doesn't knock you off,
55:12 the salvation platform there in the middle of the ocean.
55:16 He keeps saving you everyday.
55:20 But you grow and there is latitude for that
55:23 growth experience that He gives you
55:25 and it's the trend of the life
55:26 where you're heading.
55:27 I can't tell you how many people as pastor that I've
55:30 talked to that have said, I think I have committed
55:32 the unpardonable sin.
55:33 No, I've discourage the Lord for the last time.
55:37 He want forgive me and I point usually to the text
55:39 where Jesus says, you know, how often,
55:41 should you forgive, the disciple asked to me.
55:43 He said, I don't say seven times
55:45 but seventy times seven.
55:47 If Jesus told them that how many times
55:49 does Jesus forgive us. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
55:51 And this is His grace.
55:53 This is what makes me fall in love with Jesus
55:56 initially because He saved me from sin,
55:58 but now because I'm a wreck and He is so patient.
56:05 He saves you immediately from the power of sin
56:07 then He works on saving from the presence of sin.
56:10 It saved and being saved.
56:12 Saved while you are being saved.
56:14 It's a marvelous thing and it is the initiative
56:16 of our loving Heavenly Father.
56:18 I think to that it's an aspect of preaching
56:22 that is missed today.
56:24 In Christianity at large, Lot of people talked about
56:28 how, you know, I got saved
56:31 which is really the justification experience,
56:33 but I am being saved as well and it's those that are
56:37 being saved while they got saved that are saved.
56:40 Yes, yes, yes. Very true.
56:44 And the constant needing to remember that
56:47 and stay connected I think is really, really a key.
56:50 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
56:51 This is a exciting study and I am sure your church
56:54 or preacher appreciated when you brought
56:57 that to them, because it's something that we need to
56:58 bring up every so often just to remind ourselves
57:01 of our status and standing in Christ Jesus.
57:03 Yeah. Yeah.
57:05 You know, it's such an exciting thing
57:07 to think about to that the Lord is so patient.
57:09 He has saved us but He is also continuing to save us
57:12 every day from our own self.
57:14 And I hope that maybe this has sparked some fire,
57:17 some interest in your own life
57:19 and your own experience with Jesus.
57:21 And that you can from this point
57:23 forward begin to make Jesus not just your Savior,
57:26 but the Lord of your life as well.
57:28 Trust Him today.


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