Participants: Pr. John Lomacang, Pr. John Stanton
Series Code: HCL
Program Code: HCL080025
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00:01 Hello friends, grab your Bible and a friend
00:03 and sit back as we explore God's word 00:04 together on this edition of House Calls. 00:22 Well, friends, welcome to another House Calls 00:23 program where we start on our excursion 00:25 again in the word of God studying what he 00:28 wants us to study and believing by his 00:30 spirit that we're sharing with you what he 00:32 wants us to share with you. My name 00:33 is John Lomacang and I'm John Stanton, 00:35 Pastors. Both pastors, that's right, 00:38 it's great to be with you here on this program. 00:40 Another exciting program John that we are 00:42 doing on Spiritualism. That's right, it's a very, 00:45 it's amazing topic because it goes so deep 00:47 and so rooted in what's happening today, 00:49 that people are sometimes are unaware of 00:52 the victimization that's happening in their church. 00:54 In their own lives and in their homes on this 00:56 very foundational topic Spiritualism. 00:58 Very, very true and especially with regard 01:00 to what we're talking about here the importance 01:03 of God's word and knowing the truth in these 01:05 days in which we live. I believe we're living in 01:08 the last days. That's right and so for us 01:10 to be able to strengthen you today, 01:12 we're gonna ask that you would, you keep 01:13 your mind set, hit that record button and 01:16 press play, invite your friends and families 01:19 to sit down and we're gonna walk through 01:21 this together, but John, let's begin 01:23 with prayer. Let's do that. 01:24 Our Father in Heaven, we're so thankful 01:26 again to have an opportunity to come before 01:29 your throne and to seek you face and 01:31 to ask for the Holy Spirit to fill us and 01:34 to guide and lead us through your word 01:36 or be with each one not only both of us who 01:38 are presenting the topic of the day, 01:41 but Lord we pray that you should be with 01:42 each here of your word today as well, 01:44 in Jesus name, amen, amen. 01:47 You know you always send Bible questions 01:49 to us, some of you have sent questions 01:51 before and some of you are thinking 01:53 I have a Bible question. I wanna ask that 01:55 question, if you do have one. Here's the 01:57 address you need to send it to us. 01:58 Send it to housecalls@3abn.org. 02:01 That's housecalls@3abn.org and if you have 02:04 snail mail that means you still lick that 02:07 stamp and send that letter through the mail. 02:10 The address is PO Box 220, West Frankfort, 02:13 Illinois 62896 and address that oblivious to 02:16 3ABN, but sub address that to the House 02:19 Calls program or Bible questions. 02:22 John, this is a, this is a day and age where 02:26 the Bible is so relevant that we have to 02:28 bring its relevancy back and so that's why 02:30 this program is based on the foundation 02:32 and when people send question in, 02:34 I think they send legitimate questions. 02:36 Some are repeated questions, but all I 02:39 think are concerns of the people that's in 02:40 the mail. What do you have for us today? 02:42 Well I've got a question here from Scarlet 02:46 and she's got a question that I know are 02:50 on a lot of people's minds here especially 02:52 when we see the economy really feeling and 02:56 you know it's a real challenge to our families. 02:58 We've seen the national disasters, 02:59 more and more frequently in the world today. 03:02 And so many are sensing that we are 03:03 living in the last days and so this question 03:05 comes from this Scarlet who is asking some 03:08 serious questions here. She says, she was 03:12 listening to a recent DVD sermon and I 03:14 won't mention who this sermon was presented 03:16 by. But this speaker said that the U.S. 03:22 was in for an economic fall. An economic crash 03:26 here, this fall which is of 2008 and that 03:31 money will become non void, Sunday laws 03:33 would be passed, drop whatever you're doing, 03:36 got to head to the mountains, if you miss out 03:37 on the short window of time. You'll be stuck 03:39 in the cities and you'll go through persecution 03:42 and other things. Anyway this is the gist 03:44 of what he said on his DVD. Okay. 03:46 Really causing a lot of angst and anxiety, 03:49 you know from anyone who would view that 03:52 program. And she says here that she's a 03:55 believer in Bible Prophesy. She knows that 03:57 the end is coming, but that for the sake of 04:01 practicality, how do we handle these issues 04:06 and these things coming upon the world 04:07 in the last days. And here are some of 04:08 the things she said? Where do we go, 04:11 do we jump on our cars, do we walk, 04:14 if we can't use money and you know how 04:16 do we get gas even to fill our car, 04:18 and if we have underage children that 04:20 are in school, I mean do we, do we pick 04:22 them up or do we leave, so there's issues 04:25 with the family there. Advise for those as 04:29 far as our savings now, what should we do 04:30 with our savings. Shall we be getting rid 04:32 of that now and putting it into God's work. 04:36 And then, any way there are lot of things 04:37 here talked about a quote that we're all 04:39 very familiar with about being without an 04:41 intercessor. In these last days for a 04:44 period of time how can we do that, 04:46 you know is God gonna leave us to ourselves. 04:49 So Scarlet, lets get, lets put this into a 04:54 better context. Right. Okay lets put the 04:56 time of trouble into a better context. 04:58 I'm gonna read for you a couple of things 05:00 from books that you may, many of you maybe 05:02 familiar with before you'll probably recognize 05:04 the title. The first one is from Early Writings. 05:06 There's a couple of pages that I'll read 05:07 some statements from, the first one is from 05:09 page 33. It says, I saw that God had 05:14 children who do not see and keep the Sabbath. 05:18 They don't know the truth about the Sabbath 05:19 at this point. They have not rejected the 05:21 light upon it and at the commencement of the 05:24 time of trouble, we were filled with a holy 05:27 ghost and we went forth and proclaimed 05:29 the Sabbath more fully. So we didn't run to 05:32 the hills or we don't run to the hills, 05:34 we go actually toward those who need the 05:36 message. That's right. And the book goes 05:39 on to say here, the commencement of that 05:41 time of trouble, I'm reading from page 85 now, 05:44 here mentioned does not refer to the time 05:46 when the plague shall begin to be poured out, 05:48 but to a short period of time before they're 05:51 poured out. Well, Christ is in the sanctuary 05:54 speaking of the early time of trouble. 05:55 Well, the time of trouble John where God's 05:57 mercy is still open to save and to reach the 06:00 lost. Now, as I think about that, when the 06:04 time of trouble comes prior to any Sunday Law 06:07 or any laws passed against the true worship 06:11 of God, there will be some calamity, 06:13 some devastation that's happening or things 06:15 are failing all around us. We won that to 06:18 ramp up our preaching and our testimony 06:20 to the world. And that means going into 06:22 the cities, not living the cities, but going to 06:25 reach the people. And I think sometimes we 06:27 have this incorrect prospective where as 06:30 when the trouble comes hey let's bail. 06:33 Exactly, where I think what God is calling us 06:35 to do as his people is get to the people, 06:39 you know reach the people. This early time 06:41 of trouble or this time of trouble where 06:43 probation is still open, is a time for hearts 06:46 to change. For God to reach people who, 06:49 who feel like everything is just fine and 06:51 don't have a desire for Godly things or God 06:53 himself and we're to reach them, because 06:57 they're facing death and maybe it's a time 07:00 where they would listen where other times 07:02 or times before the calamity comes they're 07:04 just closed out to that gospel. So it's not 07:08 a time to run, it's a time to preach and 07:10 to share the message. That's good, 07:11 you know how will people hear unless there's 07:13 a preacher. The Bible says whosoever shall 07:17 call upon the name of the Lord shall be 07:19 saved, but how will they hear without a 07:21 preacher. And how will one preach unless 07:24 he is sent and so at that time it's truly 07:27 gonna be said blessed is he who comes in 07:29 the name of the Lord, because people are 07:31 gonna be looking for an answer to the 07:33 perplexities in our world and they're gonna 07:35 say somebody has the answer, somebody 07:37 has the message. So as John pointed out, 07:40 the time of trouble is a gradual time, 07:43 I would like it similar to a hurricane. 07:46 You know, you get the forecast, 07:47 they're following it, they're tracking it, 07:49 it's building up stream, it's going over warm 07:51 waters and then everybody's either deciding 07:55 what role am I going to playing during this 07:57 time, so there is gonna be a time to stand 08:00 firmly and secure the things that you have 08:03 and make sure that when the storm hits in 08:05 it's intensity that you have made the 08:07 decisions to act at that particular time. 08:10 We're not saying that time has hit even yet. 08:12 No not yet. We're still seeing just the early, 08:13 the early parts of this, but there is 08:15 gonna be such major calamity, I mean 08:18 thousands of cities she says wiped out. 08:20 Right. During this early time prior to 08:22 probation close, so we'll know when that 08:26 early time of trouble that beginning of the 08:28 time of trouble happens. And it's time to 08:30 preach the word. Now this is an interesting 08:32 part too. I'm just gonna read you from 08:34 another quote here, it's from Manuscript 08:37 Releases number 19, page 282. 08:41 It says in the last days and this is an 08:44 amazing thing. You really got to write this 08:45 quote down. In the last days Satan will 08:48 appear as an angel of light, with great 08:50 power and heavenly glory, and claim to 08:53 be the Lord of the whole earth. 08:54 If you wanna read about that go to 2nd 08:56 Thessalonians chapter 2 which talks about 08:59 the combination of Satan's first plan from Isaiah 09:01 14 and 12 to 14 we see the reality of that 09:04 happening in 2nd Thessalonians 2. 09:08 It says here, he will declare that the Sabbath 09:10 has been changed from the seventh to the 09:13 first day of the week, and as Lord of the 09:15 first day of the week he will present this 09:18 spurious Sabbath as a test of loyalty to him. 09:22 Then will take place the final fulfillment of the 09:25 Revelator's Prophesy. So what we find 09:27 there is an amazing thing John that Satan 09:30 himself personating Christ calls for the 09:33 passing of the Sunday Law. Now I'm 09:36 not saying that we aren't steer stepping up 09:39 to that point. You brought up a very good 09:40 thing. Where we're seeing it ushered in. 09:42 Right. You know things are happening 09:43 behind the doors and I'm sure that ground 09:45 work is being laid, but when the time of, 09:48 when the time comes for that law to be 09:50 passed and by the way when it's passed 09:52 then we flee to the mountains not before. 09:55 But when that is passed then at that time 10:01 Satan is already here. He's already involved 10:03 and so some amazing things we can learn 10:05 there that here the time of trouble comes, 10:07 we're preaching the word that preaching 10:09 gets stronger and stronger, Satan appears 10:12 to personate Christ, his push gets stronger 10:15 and stronger culminating in a law that's 10:18 passed to persecute and to kill those who are 10:21 obeying that commandment and then 10:24 we get into a situation where we're fleeing 10:25 to the mountains. So sometimes we have 10:27 a little, a little backwards there. And I just 10:30 wanted to clarify that because there is 10:32 no reason for anxiety, there's no reason 10:35 for figuring this all at the beginning of time 10:37 and you know what, John I mean you 10:38 and I have said this before, we've, 10:39 we've shared this truth for sometime now. 10:42 We maybe wrong. You know there maybe 10:44 little things that we've shared that the 10:46 prospective that we have is not right that's 10:48 okay, but I think to a great degree generally 10:52 we're gonna see a time of trouble where 10:54 God's hand of mercy is open to save, 10:56 but he has his people in place to do that 10:59 last final preaching, the 144,000 to give 11:01 that message of salvation to the world. 11:03 And we're told that we ought to do what we 11:06 can be a part of that number. To be a part 11:08 of God's last day workers to bring the 11:10 gospel and that last message to the world. 11:14 This, the hour, the hour in which we live 11:17 as a climate of change. A climate of folks, 11:21 things are not staying the same. One week 11:24 the stock market is very high, 11:26 oh sorry one week, one day, yeah. 11:28 The stock markets are next day very, 11:30 very low. You know we're seeing extremes 11:32 in our day. We're seeing extreme weather, 11:36 we're seeing extreme crime and violence. 11:41 So the world is no longer in that the eye 11:44 of the storm. We're on the, I think we are 11:46 living somewhere on the out of bands, 11:48 so where ever that band touches there is 11:50 something fierce that's following right on 11:52 the hills of that. When this person has 11:55 put all the things that we should do together 11:57 in one sentence or one paragraph, 12:01 it almost goes from nothing happening to 12:04 mass hysteria. Yeah, almost like boom, 12:07 speakers turned on and. Yeah, let's 12:08 get out of here everything is coming apart, 12:09 because the stock market is unstable and 12:11 you know I can go down a list of a whole 12:14 lot of things that can really make that 12:15 unstable. But we have a world where the 12:18 number one focus of the Lord is not so 12:19 much to get us ready for the time of trouble, 12:22 but to prepare us for the preaching of 12:23 the gospel. Yes. Matthew 24:14, 12:27 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be 12:29 preached in all the world for a witness unto 12:31 all nations; and then shall the end come. 12:33 So the Lord ultimately has that last string, 12:36 he can just pull the bag and okay let's 12:37 just let it all happen now, because my plan 12:40 for getting the message to all humanity has 12:43 been accomplished. Now, we know John that 12:45 people are more willing to listen in times of 12:49 tragedy than they are in times of prosperity. 12:53 September 11th is one of the examples and 12:55 a number of other things that have happened 12:56 after that. People are poised to listen when 12:59 they are at other times their ears are turned 13:02 away from it, even wanting to hear it. 13:04 So, so the calamities will play a part not on 13:07 the basis of destruction, but on the basis 13:10 of getting man's attention. The Lord is speaking, 13:13 we need to hear what he's saying, 13:15 these things have come, we have no one 13:16 to turn to. Let's listen to God's answers 13:19 and find a way out of this. But those things 13:22 that were mentioned will eventually happen. 13:25 That's right. It just don't put the timing 13:26 to it, because we don't want to rush those 13:28 things, but we do want to be faithful and 13:31 proclaiming the gospel, getting ready for 13:32 that time. You know you have to ask yourself 13:33 this question, how self it would, 13:35 how selfish would it be for us to want to go 13:38 heaven and to get out of here and not take 13:40 somebody with us. I mean it's almost 13:43 like you know we're saying, Lord just get 13:45 me out of here, so I can be saved when 13:47 God maybe saying to us you know what I 13:49 send you in the world to save some others. 13:50 I got to do that. Let's fulfill that purpose 13:52 first before in take you out. And, so 13:56 sometimes I think even out prayers Lord 13:58 come soon can be selfish, because when 14:02 Jesus himself we find this in Peter specifically 14:07 says that there's time goes on because 14:09 God is patient, long suffering not willing 14:12 that anybody would perish. That's right. 14:14 So our prayers should be lo wait a little 14:15 longer, so we can reach some that are not 14:19 saved today. That's why this idea of the 14:21 secret rapture is just so, I'm looking for 14:26 the word here. Perfunctory to me. 14:29 That's a word to look up, whether the 14:32 context was appropriate or not you decide, 14:35 but it's almost like get me out of here before 14:38 the bottom drops out and whatever happens 14:41 after I'm gone is not my concern. The concern 14:44 of the Christian is not to be, not to be 14:48 extracted or taken out of here, but the 14:52 Lord is going to keep us to accomplish the 14:54 design that he has established. Now this is 14:57 a text that's encouraging here in Revelation 3 14:58 and verse 10: Jesus says, because you have 15:02 kept My command to persevere, I will also 15:06 keep you from the hour of trial which shall 15:09 come upon the whole world, to test those 15:12 who dwell on the earth. So there's an hour 15:15 of trial that's coming on the whole world, 15:17 but you notice what it says, the Lord didn't 15:19 say I'll take out before the hour of trial, 15:22 he says I will keep you from the hour of trial 15:25 that shall come upon the whole world and 15:27 then Jesus later on says Father, I do not 15:30 pray that you'll take them out of the world, 15:32 but that you will keep them. I do not pray 15:34 that You take them out, but that you keep 15:36 them. When the Lord takes us out of the 15:38 world he's gonna take us all out together 15:40 and that's at his second coming visible, 15:42 literal, audible, transforming the world 15:45 all at one time. Well thank you for the 15:47 question John. I have one here that let 15:49 me see which one I'm gonna answer first. 15:52 The person begins with the word sorry. 15:55 Well I think it's a good question. I don't think 15:56 you will be sorry for, but sorry for asking 16:00 for such question, but this is what, 16:03 what's bothering me lately, from Genesis 3 16:06 verse 16 and John if you could turn in the 16:09 Bible to First Timothy 2 and verse 11 and 12. 16:13 I'm gonna turn to Genesis chapter 3 verse 16. 16:17 1st Timothy chapter 2, verse 11 and 12. 16:21 Okay, where is Genesis they hide it from me, 16:24 okay there it is in the very beginning of the Bible. 16:26 The book is somewhere else. They moved it, 16:29 here it is. You wanna read that first? 16:30 I'm gonna read that first. Okay. And let me 16:32 read the question so we can get the context. 16:35 It is clear to me from Genesis 3:16 and 16:37 1st Timothy 2, verse 11 and 12, that women 16:39 are not equal with men in teaching the gospel. 16:43 Why then in our churches as well as online 16:46 or on TV women are preaching and even 16:49 some are called pastors in my church for 16:52 instance. Paul also says that women should cover 16:55 their head, why we don't follow these 16:58 recommendations, why don't we follow this 16:59 recommendation as well? I'm far from suppressing 17:03 or abusing women, I adore women in respect 17:06 of their wisdom and knowledge, but how 17:08 about what the word of God says. 17:11 Alexander in Toronto. Alexander, let me 17:15 encourage you, its not, the problem is not 17:16 the women. That made me cough there, 17:23 don't go there. But this is the first text that 17:26 he sited. Genesis 3 verse 16, To the woman 17:31 he said, I will greatly multiply your sorrow and 17:34 your conception; in pain you shalt bring 17:37 forth children; your desire shall be for 17:39 your husband, and he shall rule over you. 17:42 Yes, clearly the Bible is in essence saying 17:45 here the husband is the head of the wife as 17:49 Christ is the head of the church. 17:50 I'm putting this in the context that Jesus intends. 17:54 The husband is the head of the wife, 17:56 as Christ is the head of the church. 17:58 Now, let's put that together. If the husband 18:01 is the head of the wife, he's ruling over her 18:04 does it say that only the husband has the 18:07 call to proclaim the gospel? No, not anymore 18:10 than only God has the voice to proclaim the 18:12 gospel when he calls his wife to do the preaching 18:17 which is the church. The woman, the bride 18:21 as we talked about on one of the past 18:22 programs. The woman who is described as 18:25 the church in the scripture is the one that's 18:27 called to proclaim the message forth. 18:31 When Paul talked about women covering 18:33 their head and that's 1st Corinthians chapter 11, 18:36 it was a custom he was addressing, 18:38 but if you read that very carefully he says 18:40 there is no such custom in the churches of God. 18:44 It was an issue of contention. Now there 18:47 is some countries where people will go 18:49 including men and we would have to follow 18:51 the customs of that country to be respectful, 18:54 not so much to be, to recognize that we are 18:57 subservient or we're less or we're less 18:59 significant or we have no voice, 19:02 but now what do you think so far and 19:04 register that text and let's go to the next 19:06 part of this question. Yes. Well yeah, 19:08 I mean its very true and I think there were 19:10 a lot of customs and you have to put 19:11 yourself in the culture of the day whenever 19:14 you read this, because one of the things 19:17 that we often air in that we, we bring 19:20 the old customs or old culture into modern 19:22 day society, when that issue wasn't here 19:25 and so I think it's a very important, 19:27 good point that you bring up, one of the 19:28 things that jumps out at me immediately 19:30 when you know he was talking about in this 19:33 question the first part of it. And when we 19:35 speaking in the church and so forth. 19:38 The first thing I think about is the role of 19:41 women in The New Testament and how God 19:43 called some to be prophetesses and those 19:46 who are prophetesses you know what 19:49 they do, what would be the word that 19:50 they do. They Prophesy, they Prophesy 19:52 and prophesying is speaking a word from God 19:56 before the church. Please remember 19:58 Prophesy itself is to edify the church. 20:02 So she can't be a prophetess and just 20:05 think those things to your self or write them 20:06 down I mean she is prophesying, edifying the 20:10 church. It doesn't go through, doesn't have to 20:12 be channeled through a man and all these 20:13 things. She actually is called as a prophetess 20:16 to be a prophet of God, to Prophesy his word 20:20 before the church to edify the church. 20:23 So clearly, if she's speaking words from the 20:25 Lord and edifying the church she has a role 20:28 of preaching. So that's the first thing that 20:31 comes to mind. John, when we're dealing 20:33 with this part of this question of why are 20:35 woman preaching or speaking in front of the 20:37 church. I don't, I don't see any and it will 20:39 be contradictory for us to say that women 20:42 have keep silent, yet God calls them to be 20:44 prophetesses. And I think they are keeping 20:47 silent there it deals with another issue which 20:48 you're probably gonna touch on. 20:49 Well do you know its amazing and I'm not 20:52 saying this to be condescending and all 20:54 because we all, you are married, I'm married 20:57 and our wives. Women are anything but 21:01 silent and God did not call them to gag them. 21:05 No gag order on women. That's right. 21:09 He has, Jesus has enabled in The New Testament. 21:12 He has enabled all to be involved in the work 21:16 of being a priest. Now let's put this in the 21:19 context. 1st Peter 2:9 but you, speaking of 21:24 the church, but you are a chosen generation, 21:28 a royal priesthood, a holy nation, 21:30 his own special people, that you may proclaim 21:34 the praises of him who called you out of 21:36 darkness into his marvelous life. Now one 21:39 of the ways of proclaiming, you just touch 21:40 on this and I will read the text in Acts 2:17, 21:43 And it shall come to pass in the last days 21:45 says God that I will pour out of my Spirit 21:49 on how much flesh? All flesh. Okay, didn't 21:51 say male flesh, didn't say female it says on 21:54 all flesh. Your sons and your daughters shall 22:01 prophesy. That's right, but according to some 22:03 people say well only the son shall prophesy. 22:05 You sons and daughters shall prophesy, 22:08 your young men shall see visions, 22:10 your old men shall dream dreams. 22:12 The word, prophesy there means proclaim 22:15 and also preach the message, but why is 22:17 that so widely important. Once again 22:21 understand the culture and this is the 22:23 most important thing when Jesus came to 22:25 breakdown that middle wall of partition. 22:29 I did a topic and it's gonna come to me 22:31 here in just a moment, but in many of the 22:33 Jewish temples even still today and you 22:35 can look this up, the way that the temples 22:37 are sometimes build. There is a separating 22:39 wall between the men and the women and 22:43 when Paul says if a woman wants to, 22:44 if a woman wants to learn something better 22:47 ask her husband when he goes home. 22:49 There was a middle wall between them. 22:50 The word right now I'm missing that thought 22:52 right now, but there was a middle wall 22:54 sometimes a curtain, sometimes women were 22:57 called to sit in the balcony, while the men 22:58 sat on the main floor and in some Jewish 23:01 temples today its still established that way. 23:03 The Lord wasn't saying to them that you 23:05 haven an voice but it was necessary in the 23:07 temple of worship as they had established 23:09 in their own, in their own economy that 23:13 don't shout down to the husband if he's 23:16 in the balcony or on the other side of 23:18 the curtain, on this dividing partition. 23:20 But when Jesus came Paul recognized that 23:24 this dividing partition was no longer a part 23:26 of God's economy. You were not less or more. 23:31 Galatians 3 verse 28. There is neither Jew 23:34 nor Greek. The Jews had a problem with that. 23:39 They had a problem with that in the book 23:40 of Acts chapter 13 verse 40 to 46. 23:44 When the Greeks and the Converts came 23:47 together that were not Jews. The Jews 23:49 had a hard time with that, because they 23:52 came and accepted the message that Paul 23:53 and Barnabas were preaching. So Paul says, 23:56 this in Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek. 24:01 There is neither bond nor free, there is 24:04 neither male nor female, for you are all 24:08 one in Christ Jesus. Breaking down that 24:11 separation. We are called together all of 24:14 us are needed to proclaim this gospel. 24:16 The Lord is not putting a gag order and 24:18 you indicated in comma there or in brackets 24:20 in my church for example. I guess in the person's 24:23 church that wrote this message. 24:25 The pastor is a woman and he may, 24:28 he's having an hard time with that. 24:29 Also keep in mind the culture in that day. 24:31 The Greeks would coming together in the 24:33 center and talk philosophy. Right. 24:36 They would debate, they get into some heated 24:38 discussions. They talk about what you know 24:41 the writings were of the common day 24:42 and what people thought and their opinions. 24:45 This was part of the church. These men 24:47 were in there beyond, you know beyond 24:48 that separation wall and they were at sometimes 24:52 at discussions at great lengths talking about 24:53 the word, talking about this and that. 24:55 What you should, what you shouldn't do. 24:56 Can you imagine all of a sudden women 24:57 jumping and wait a minute. Paul was saying 25:01 no, keep silent, let them do what they're doing. 25:04 Don't be yelling into the midst of them, 25:05 don't be interrupting them, but when they're 25:07 done doing their thing, they're debating, 25:09 their discussion, their issues when you get 25:10 home had you, talk to them about it. 25:12 You know, and your common sense and the 25:15 things that God has impressed upon your 25:17 heart with them and he was trying to keep 25:19 it from being mass confusion within the church. 25:23 Although Paul at the same time said it 25:24 should not be this way. This isn't the way the 25:27 church should be conducted, so he was on 25:30 two fronts. He was dealing with the current 25:31 culture, the current issues of the day, 25:33 but at the other side he was trying to 25:35 change, change the culture a little bit to 25:37 recognize that the church isn't to be like this. 25:40 Not, not to be broken up into separate items 25:42 and we need all hands on deck in these 25:45 last days. I think that the deeper issue 25:47 here is not so much that it's between male 25:50 or female. A woman on television preaching, 25:53 women teaching, that is not the issue. 25:56 The issue is what was applicable to the 25:58 culture of the day and in some societies 26:00 even still today. It's not acceptable, 26:04 but when it comes to what Jesus established. 26:07 He says male or female, bond or free, 26:10 Jew or Greek, all are one in Christ Jesus. 26:13 So but some people have the mentality that 26:16 they're gonna just keep women silent, 26:18 if you do tell me how you did it. 26:20 Where would our church be without women? 26:24 Yeah. I mean we have a significant one that's 26:26 in the history of our church. Where would 26:27 we be without the work that God has called 26:30 women to perform? That's right. And so, 26:32 but if you, if you finally answer to keeping 26:35 the women quiet let me know. The Lord hasn't 26:41 called them to be silent. He's called them 26:42 to proclaim the praises of him, who called 26:45 all of us out of darkness into this marvelous life. 26:48 Anything else we have John. I got one 26:51 question that shouldn't be too long. 26:53 It says here an idea it can leads us into our 26:55 topic for the day anyway. It says I have 26:59 a question for you. If we sleep or are 27:02 unconscious after we die and until the 27:05 resurrection, why does God bother waking up 27:08 the wicked? What purpose does he have 27:13 in doing this? Just to awake them up long 27:16 enough to through them into the lake of 27:17 fire to be annihilated. Why doesn't he just 27:20 annihilate them when they die? It seems 27:23 to me that waking them up just to annihilate 27:24 them doesn't serve much of a purpose. 27:27 It actually may seem a little cruel. 27:30 So a good, good question there. One thing 27:32 we find in the word of God is that he is a 27:34 just God. That's right. God is a God of mercy, 27:38 but he's also a God of justice. And he is merciful, 27:41 very merciful to us and he has been. 27:42 I know he has been in my life. Hope for a long 27:45 period of time and so I praise the Lord 27:47 for that, but also I praise the Lord for him 27:49 being a just God, which means that when 27:52 he says if you, if you commit or you've given 27:55 your way to, if you've given yourself to 27:58 sinful ways that you will obey, pay the price 28:01 for that or you pay the consequences for 28:03 that ultimately which will be to perish forever. 28:08 But part of those consequences John is 28:11 a punishment. Okay, you know who have, 28:15 has ever heard of raising a child without 28:18 some kind of punishment or consequence for 28:20 the actions they take when they're wrong. 28:22 Wow! And so God has a consequence and 28:26 there are many people that are wicked to 28:27 the core who died with good lives, 28:29 thinking that everything's just fine. 28:31 The reason for raising the wicked in the last 28:33 days is so, it's two fold. First of all, 28:36 so they can pay the consequences for their 28:38 sins and I believe that each one of them 28:40 according to what they've done, according 28:41 to their works will suffer in the fire for a 28:45 specific length of time. Whatever that they 28:47 deserve as a result of what they did when they 28:49 were alive. But second reason is, so that 28:52 they can see that God does that he is in fact 28:56 good. That he did love them. That he did 28:59 everything he could to pull them or to move 29:01 them into a relationship with him so that 29:03 they could be saved. Many, most do 29:06 not know that. Don't know a God like this, 29:08 but they need to see the great controversy 29:11 in its true light. That God is a God of love. 29:14 Satan is the author of evil and pain and suffering. 29:18 They choose the enemy and they're paying 29:22 the price for that. And I believe the 29:25 Bible is pretty clear on this, that every knee 29:27 will bow to a God that reveals the truth 29:30 about his character, his love and the 29:33 truth about Satan and his deceptions which 29:35 we're talking about here on the topic 29:37 of spiritualism. And that is the reason that 29:39 we must raise everyone and at one point 29:42 in the future everyone who's alive, 29:43 whether you're wicked or whether you're 29:46 righteous. You're gonna be alive at that 29:47 point to see God for who he truly is. 29:51 That's right. Thank you for that answer John. 29:53 I don't want to add anything to that 29:55 because it was very completely done. 29:57 So I'll leave it there, but we do serve a 29:59 just God. But it segues right into our topics. 30:01 So I want you to start that for today, 30:03 because that's important. And by the 30:04 way if you have any further questions or 30:06 any questions that may not have been 30:08 even addressed today. You can send those 30:10 questions to housecalls@3abn.org that's 30:12 housecalls@3abn.org and we'll do our 30:17 best to get to those. We've been talking 30:19 about Spiritualism. It's a terrible thing. 30:22 You wanna look at the route of that Spirit. 30:26 Now, Spiritual, notice that Spirit then Spiritual 30:30 then Spiritualism. Usually it's not the very thing, 30:35 nothing wrong with the spirit, nothing wrong 30:38 with being spiritual, but ism it tends to 30:41 take it in a totally different direction and 30:43 that's what we're talking about today. 30:44 The very foundational by the way and 30:46 we know that Lucifer, that Fallen Angel is 30:49 the one that got that started in his own 30:51 heart hoping to take the place of God I 30:53 will be like the most high. But what I'd like 30:58 to do John today is reiterate again that the 31:04 premises of spiritualism is the idea that man 31:07 are created with an immortal soul, 31:10 that we really don't die. That we will go 31:14 on living, even after the body has died. 31:18 And that's what Satan said to Eve in the garden. 31:21 You will not surely die, Genesis 3 and verse 4. 31:25 That wasn't the first lie he told, but it was 31:27 the one that stuck the longest. You will not 31:30 really die. And what he in essence was saying 31:32 in Hebrew there I know what God said, 31:35 but I'm sure you won't die and now we have 31:38 teachings that people die and they continue 31:43 living on. They go to heaven, their soul is 31:48 roaming the earth and it opens the doors 31:51 for all kinds of ridiculous things. You know and 31:53 it all goes back to actually a Greek, 31:55 the Greek teaching and even further before 31:57 that when the Greeks got it. But they 31:58 really made it to put corner of the market 32:01 you can say on that subject back then 32:02 which is where we are really get it today. 32:04 Yeah Neoplatonism. Yes, and the teaching that, 32:08 you know the soul is immortal, it never dies, 32:11 it exists in a state of consciousness etc, etc., 32:14 that's in the church we have that 32:16 predominantly in the church and that's one 32:18 of the avenues and you said it very well that 32:20 it's kind of the foundation of the baseline 32:23 for the ability for Satan to work his deception. 32:27 Oh! Man. Because we said in last program 32:29 that Satan, Spiritualism is about Satan through 32:33 his either himself or his cohorts, his angels, 32:39 how he is trying to communicate. 32:43 You know the spiritualism is the act of 32:44 communicating with the world his deceptive 32:47 ideas and ushering them into an area 32:51 where there is so much confusion about 32:53 what to believe that when he does finally 32:56 appear in the very last days to give his 32:59 greatest deception that this world has 33:00 ever seen that where he will have success 33:02 with that. So deception is a foundation 33:06 just like leaving the door open to communicate 33:09 with the dead is a foundation and 33:11 channeling that we see even in the secular 33:14 world that we find among those. 33:15 That's a foundation for spiritualism. 33:18 You know that gives channel surfing quite 33:20 a different approach. They're not surfing 33:23 through the television, but channeling 33:26 which is something that's done by mediums 33:28 and spiritist. And John they even have a 33:31 bigger word now a days for that. 33:33 They are, it's called a parapsychology's one 33:39 and another one it'll come to me a just 33:41 a moment, but parapsychology it is very 33:45 much as foundation is in spiritualism. 33:48 There is another one, it will come to me in 33:49 a moment, but when you think about 33:52 whether or not man is naturally immortal 33:55 then the answer is yes, but when you think 33:57 about whether or not man has immortality 34:00 from the time that God created him. 34:02 The answer is no. If man was naturally 34:05 immortal then everybody that was ever alive 34:09 will still be alive today. This idea that 34:12 man has an immortal nature or an immortal 34:16 soul , you can't find that anywhere in the Bible. 34:20 There is no such connection, there is no 34:22 phrase in the Bible immortal soul. 34:24 The concept continues to go on and on. 34:27 But if you look at the Bible you'll find 34:28 over and over again. You read in the 34:30 Old Testament it says. And he died and 34:34 he rested with his fathers, and he died 34:37 and he rested with his fathers. The Bible continues 34:39 to point out that when a person does die, 34:42 they really are dead. They're not somewhere 34:45 else having a picnic in heaven or dancing on 34:50 the streets of gold or doing any subversive 34:55 activity in someone's homes or haunting 34:58 People or ghostly and all these things that are 35:02 talked about nowadays are not relevant to the 35:05 scriptures. But it does exist out there. 35:07 But I wanna share something here in 35:08 Deuteronomy as to what God feels and about 35:13 spiritualism in the sense of witchcraft, 35:16 mediums, soothsayers, fortune tellers and if 35:19 you remember the story of Babylon in the 35:21 kingdom of Babylon, those were the kind 35:24 of men that were under the leadership of 35:27 Nebuchadnezzar, which means if they were 35:30 in literal Babylon they're also connected to 35:33 spiritual Babylon. But let me share with you 35:37 what the Bible feels about this deceptive art 35:40 of witchcraft and medium, spiritists and all 35:43 these dark, dark arts that are founded in 35:48 the kingdom of Satan. Deuteronomy chapter 35:51 18 verse 10 to verse 11. It says There 35:54 shall not be found among you any one who 35:58 makes his sons or daughters to pass through 36:00 the fire. I will tell you about that in a 36:02 moment or one who practices witchcraft or 36:07 a soothsayer or one who interprets omens 36:12 or a sorcerer or one who congers spells 36:18 or a medium or a spiritist or one who calls 36:22 up the dead. And when you read the very 36:25 next verse 12 you will discover that the 36:27 punishment was death, stoning to death. 36:30 Absolutely death, the Lord said the people 36:32 of God should never tolerate that kind of 36:35 practice or that kind of activity in their midst. 36:38 But you'll find that today it's been, 36:41 it's been amped up and given a new face. 36:43 In very few places that you go there you 36:45 still find these dark little hovels and howls 36:48 where people saying I wanna read your palm 36:51 and tell your fortune, although they still exists. 36:54 However you'll find that this is not something 36:57 that the Lord has part of it all. John, 36:59 you're diligently searching there, are you looking 37:01 for the story of Saul? Well no I found that story, 37:03 but no its, its clearly God, that God made it 37:08 very clear to his people they will not 37:10 communicate with the dead. That's right. 37:12 They would have nothing to do with spirits 37:13 and there was a reason for that is because 37:16 in doing so they were communicating with 37:17 Satan and his angels. That's right. 37:19 And that's one of the reasons why I believe 37:20 God does it, the way he does it that when 37:21 you die there is no immortal soul, you're at 37:24 rest. And, say I was looking at this story 37:28 here talking about Saul and after God had left 37:31 Saul that he consulted a medium because God 37:35 would not communicate with him and 37:37 so he consulted this medium. This witch or 37:41 medium from Endor. Do you know we have, 37:45 Endora, Endora from the Bewitched, 37:47 and can you think of that. Where do you 37:48 think they got the Witch of Endora from. 37:51 The Witch of Endor. Right. But anyway if 37:54 you go through this story you see clearly 37:56 how deceptive this practice is, because in 37:59 every way the writer clearly communicates 38:02 that Saul believes in Samuel. You know and 38:06 he knows in principle that it's not Samuel, 38:10 but yeah he's doing this and so he believes 38:13 he's talking to Samuel and the writer is very 38:15 effectively communicating this because it 38:16 even says Samuel is talking to him. Right. 38:18 So in the mind of Saul he's thinking I'm talking 38:20 to Samuel and but he's not. What do you 38:23 think he's talking to? He's talking to Satan 38:26 or one of his angels there and so we find 38:29 this story in First Samuel chapter 28 and 38:33 it really has a good lesson about those who 38:37 consult, those are mediums, or channelers 38:40 that we should stay away from them, 38:42 because they're doing nothing but opening 38:43 up a an avenue for us to communicate with 38:47 evil spirits and demons. Here's another one 38:50 Leviticus 19, verse 31 and the reason why 38:54 I'm using this text is because when John talked 38:56 about Saul believing he was talking to the 38:59 prophet Samuel. I want you to get the context, 39:01 because you believe that righteous people 39:03 at least in the mindset of many today that 39:05 believe that you die and go to heaven. 39:08 If this were in fact Samuel the prophet he 39:11 would have been in heaven. But he came up. 39:14 Okay, but when you look at the story there 39:17 in Samuel and this witch who knew that it 39:21 was just so against God, there was a command 39:25 out that she would be stoned and killed only 39:29 Saul said don't worry about it. It got your back 39:31 covered nothing is gonna happen to you. 39:33 And she rashly said this is not acceptable, 39:37 there's a law against this and you could put 39:39 me in danger. Well, when this witch by the way 39:45 and you have to, you have to get this picture 39:46 in order to understand this because sometime 39:47 you run through it so quickly. Would God give 39:51 an ambassador of Satan divine access? 39:57 And the answer is obviously no. He would 40:00 never give access to divine things from an 40:04 ambassador of Satan. And not only that, 40:09 even for the sake of argument, right, 40:12 Samuel was alive beyond the grave and 40:14 could communicate with Saul. If God wasn't 40:18 communicating with him, nor would God 40:20 allow Satan to willingly break a law he gave 40:25 to them to not communicate with the dead. 40:28 Right. So that right there tells you if 40:30 Samuel who is righteous were able to do it, 40:33 he'd never do that, because God did not 40:35 permitted anybody like that to do it. 40:36 He was under God. That was for the sake 40:38 of argument, because we know that Samuel 40:39 was not alive, he was resting in the grave. 40:42 So Saul was saying God, I know you're 40:44 not talking about Saul could you talk I mean 40:46 with Samuel can you talk to me instead. Yeah. 40:48 You know, Saul was saying I know that God 40:50 has shut off the voice. He's not speaking 40:53 to me, but what you have to keep in mind 40:55 is the way that God did speak to Saul. 40:57 He spoke to Saul through the prophets. 40:59 That's right. So now if he spoke to Saul 41:02 through the prophets but he no longer is 41:04 talking to Saul. How you gonna bypass God 41:07 and go to a prophet that's gonna ignore God. 41:11 If he was still alive, yeah no way, it's not 41:12 gonna happen. So, you can clearly see that 41:13 this is not something that has any divine 41:15 origin at all. And then when this evil spirit, 41:18 when this spirit comes up that is a familiar 41:21 spirit, listen to this in Leviticus 19, verse 31. 41:25 It says, give no regard to mediums and 41:29 familiar spirits; do not seek after them, 41:32 to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God. 41:36 And that's exactly what happened, 41:38 Saul sought a familiar spirit and the reason 41:42 why it's familiar is because they have the 41:44 ability to create what you think is familiar, 41:48 mom, dad, aunty, uncle, friend, cousin you 41:53 name it. You will always have to see an 41:54 operation and say oh, like some of these 41:58 shows on television. There was a young guy 42:00 that looks so sharp and so clean. Satan would 42:02 take any type of direction he needs to 42:04 in order to make you feel that what is being 42:06 said is legitimate. And people will sit in the 42:09 audience and they will say I forgot what the 42:11 name of the program. Do you remember that? 42:13 It was some program where the guy, 42:16 I heard about, he would look very sharp and 42:20 yuppy buppy contemporary and he say right now 42:22 I'm getting a message from. Oh! There is a 42:24 force in the room I now that's communicating 42:27 and the force has on a blue top and a red flower, 42:32 does anybody recognize that and I'm thinking. 42:36 Come on guys its not a state fair, but for us 42:39 who take that lightly, for us who, for those 42:42 of us who think that's not real. That spiritualism 42:46 in the dark arts and demons do exist they 42:49 can perform miracles and signs. If we think it's 42:51 just a hoax then we are sitting ducks and 42:55 we could be drawn in by it. It's very true. 42:59 Well there's several other instances in the 43:02 Old Testament stories with regard to 43:06 witchcraft and Soothsayers and other things, 43:09 we know that during Ahab's time. 43:14 He had a beautiful wife, didn't he. Jezebel. 43:17 Jezebel of course she was probably was 43:18 beautiful which is why he married her. 43:20 But beauty on the outside doesn't mean 43:22 it's beautiful on the inside. But she had 43:26 conducted or led out the false prophets of 43:30 the day which are the prophets of Baal. 43:33 And as a leader I believe of those prophets 43:35 she identified very closely with them if 43:37 you read those stories. They were really 43:39 something that she, you know felt close to. 43:43 It identifies where the Bible does as performing 43:46 witchcraft. So she herself is identified in that 43:52 realm of witchcraft and sorcery and other 43:54 things by the works and the acts she actually 43:56 did. It says in 2nd Kings 9:22 Now what 44:02 happened when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, 44:07 Is it peace, Jehu? So he answered, 44:10 what peace so long as the harlotries of 44:12 your mother Jezebel and her witchcraft are 44:16 so many? So what's going on that day and 44:18 Jezebel you know she was married to Ahab 44:20 the King of Israel? Witchcraft was going on 44:23 in Israel, that's an amazing thing to me. 44:28 You know it, it is symbolic of the fact that 44:32 the devil has made such inroads into God's 44:34 church even today as well, that's right, 44:37 and we need to be careful and aware of 44:38 those things. I think it's 1st John 4:1 where 44:41 there is a passage you read on one of our 44:43 prior program this says test the spirits for 44:46 many spirits have gone out into the world. 44:49 You will find in the Bible. In a New Testament 44:50 Jesus dealt quite often with evil spirits. 44:53 He dealt quite often with demons who had, 44:56 who had been involved in subversive activity. 44:59 The only kind of activity they're involved 45:00 anyway and you will discover that one 45:02 whenever they came face to face with Jesus. 45:07 He always had the upper hand Jesus did, 45:10 divinity always has the upper hand against 45:12 spiritualism and demons. But as you just 45:15 eluted to that John about spiritualism making 45:17 its way into the churches today, 45:19 Revelation chapter 2 and verse 20 makes this 45:21 point very, very clear listen to this. 45:25 The Lord is speaking to one of the seven 45:27 churches. He says, nevertheless I have a 45:30 few things against you because you allow 45:32 that woman Jezebel who calls herself a 45:37 prophetess to teach and seduce my servants, 45:41 notice that. So when you look at Revelation 45:44 and you see in Revelation chapter 17 this Harlot 45:48 woman. He is, that's a spin off from Jezebel, 45:52 the role that she occupied in the Old Testament. 45:56 Many of the prophets were seduced by her, 45:59 but also when the Bible talks about that 46:02 seduction it says she calls herself a prophetess. 46:06 So not everyone who says that they're 46:08 prophet or prophetess is of such. 46:10 How do you, how can you tell the difference? 46:13 Well. But I thought. Well, we read the 46:16 scripture last time I believe it was 1st 46:18 John 4:1 testing the spirits to see whether 46:21 they're of God. We read Isaiah 8 verse 20 46:26 which talks about to the law and the testimony 46:28 and they're speaking the word of God, 46:29 following the word of God. So there are those 46:31 things that we can do know whether or not 46:32 they are truly God's prophets or have a 46:34 word from God. The reason why you caught 46:37 me off guard there was because it hit me, 46:40 I have never seen this clearly before. 46:42 How closely spiritualism is connected with 46:48 or you can say spiritualism, sorcery, witchcraft. 46:50 Witchcraft is connected with idolatry. 46:55 Oh! You know it never hit me so much as 46:58 I'm thinking it about now, you know they 47:00 Set up these high places you know next 47:02 to the alters. i think we talked about this in 47:04 the last program. They set up the high places 47:06 to worship the baal or astarot or moloch 47:08 or these other gods. And how the worship of 47:11 those gods opened the spirit realm, 47:14 because in fact they were worshiping Satan 47:16 and his angels. That's right. When they were 47:17 doing that, how it opens the spiritual realm. 47:20 And if you look up the word abomination in 47:22 the bible, most of the time abomination is 47:25 connected to worship in the high places. 47:27 that's right. And abomination is the highest 47:29 form of rebellion. We know that, that's, 47:33 when god says that's an abomination to me. 47:35 That's like the worst. Right. And if you 47:37 don't wanna be do anything that's an 47:38 abomination to god well, worshiping idols. 47:40 The idol worships at high places, idolatry. 47:43 The highest form of spiritualism and witchcraft, 47:46 but you know when I think about it today, 47:47 you know we're not, we're not worshiping 47:50 astarot and moloch and baal. Right. 47:53 But there is another kind of worship is 47:54 going on today. That I also believe it is 47:56 connected to not only idolatry, but spiritualism 48:00 and you got to see this John. Let me see. 48:03 Let's go. Revelation 18. Alright I'm on my way. 48:07 Revelation 18, the first of verses 1 to 8 48:12 talks about Babylon and the judgment against 48:15 Babylon. Okay. Revelation 18. And it talks 48:18 about the fact that you know in Babylon 48:21 which is by the way this harlot right, 48:23 we just talked about the harlot you know 48:25 and how she performed sorcery and other 48:27 things, but here 1 to 8 talking about how 48:31 Babylon caused people to live luxuriously 48:34 by her merchandising and other things she 48:36 does and then all of a sudden it connects 48:39 verses 9 to 19 talks about how this happens. 48:44 There was such strong merchandising going on. 48:48 That she pulled the world in through luxury, 48:53 through gold, through it's silver, through 48:55 what she made available materialistic wise 48:57 to cause people to worship those things 49:00 before God, because they put them before him. 49:03 We don't have to worship that in the high 49:05 places, Baals to worship idols. We can worship 49:09 that through materialism and through merchandising. 49:12 And then look at this verse 23 of Revelation 18, 49:15 the light of a lamp shall not shine in you 49:17 anymore and the voice of the bridegroom 49:20 and the bride shall not be heard in you anymore, 49:22 speaking of Babylon for your merchants 49:25 were the great man of the earth, for by your 49:28 sorcery all the nations were deceived. 49:31 Merchandizing, idol worship connected to sorcery, 49:35 spiritualism it's hand and hand. Wow. 49:38 And it's amazing to see how today we can, 49:43 can we I should ask the question. 49:45 Can we get caught up in spiritualism? 49:50 When we put materialistic things and other 49:52 things ahead of God, because we begin to 49:54 in fact worship those things before we 49:57 worship God, can that be a form of spiritualism. 50:00 I believe honestly it can be. Because what 50:03 happens here the core that connects the 50:05 two together is the core of thou shall have no 50:08 other Gods before me. Which was one of the 50:12 premise there of the foundational spiritualism. 50:15 Satan wanted to take the place of God, 50:16 but he takes the place of God in many ways 50:18 not just in the sense of bowing down and 50:20 worship. A person, a treasurer once said this 50:23 he says everybody worships, but to know 50:26 what just look at their check book. 50:28 Since the check book is the teller of the 50:30 heart and the Lord said that where your 50:32 treasure is there will your heart be also, 50:34 so not everybody is worshiping at alters, 50:37 but there are people that are worshiping at 50:38 the alters of fame and fortune. 50:40 There are people that worship at the alter of 50:43 merchandize and materialism and extravagance 50:47 and luxury. And that's what was pointed out here 50:49 in this entire chapter of Revelation 18 by their 50:54 luxuries and so when you talk about that, 50:56 that's exactly what's happening here. 50:57 Yeah, so spiritually, as we get further away from 51:00 God. We know that our minds and our hearts 51:02 are drawn further close to materialism and 51:07 worship of self. You know in gratification of self. 51:10 And it may not be that, you know we're 51:12 communicating with Satan directly through 51:15 channeling or something, but what you find 51:17 within the realm of, that realm of the luxuries 51:20 and the, you know just our worship of stars, 51:26 you know the walk of fame. Okay, and all 51:28 those things. You know often you find in that 51:31 realm a very strong acceptance. We see 51:34 this in the movies today. A strong acceptance 51:36 of the spirits worship. Right. You know you 51:39 have the new age movement. We got Shirley 51:42 MacLaine you know who is very popular with 51:43 this. You've got what is the big popular religion 51:46 right now. Wow yeah. That's within Hollywood. 51:52 It's like, it's almost like scientology, scientology. 51:55 There you go and see you have all these 51:57 things and if you look at the core of those 51:59 things there is, there is a level of wanting 52:02 to communicate spirit, to be more spiritual. 52:04 To communicate more spiritual. Higher level. 52:06 At a higher level and I think the devil 52:09 resides there and that's the source we're talking 52:12 about, how it's connected with materialism. 52:14 Well John you hit a nail right there that it 52:18 really opened another door, because where 52:20 Satan met Eve to deceive her was at the tree 52:24 of knowledge. See he offered her a higher 52:28 knowledge than God had there before given 52:30 to her. And so, knowledge without God is 52:34 dangerous. Knowledge under the control of 52:38 the Lord interprets itself to be more wisdom 52:42 rather than just intellect. And we have a 52:44 world that has made a God out of intellectuality. 52:47 Intellectuality, where the mind is idolized and 52:53 we could become esoteric and flamboyant. 52:55 And, and just design our own world almost 52:58 to the point where people idolize us for 53:00 our great accomplishments. So when you think 53:03 about spiritualism. We're gonna go into the 53:05 depth part of it, I think in another program. 53:07 But when you think about spiritualism, 53:09 you think about the exalted mind, 53:11 because Satan is not dumb, some people 53:13 you know they fall for this idea that he, 53:15 you know in Halloween. They dress him up 53:18 in a Red Cape and a Pitchfork and years ago 53:21 they had Red devil pepper you know that. 53:23 On the bottle he has a red cape on it and a 53:25 Pitchfork. I think he likes it when people think 53:27 of him like that. Yeah they think of him as some 53:29 kind of freak. Yeah. When in fact he is 53:31 being of high intellect that brings with him 53:34 the ability, how smart would be if were around 53:38 for as long as he has been. And, and have 53:41 been able to study the minds of scientists 53:44 and the minds of intellectuals throughout 53:46 the eons that are now behind us. How smart 53:49 would you be? Very smart. So, so when we 53:52 think about all that, we think of a platform 53:55 of intellectuality, so intellectuality is in, 53:59 in of itself not a replacement for God. 54:02 And connecting with that evolution, 54:04 okay go ahead. You know I mean just 54:07 you can connect easily with that evolution, 54:09 the higher sciences. You know read and you 54:12 hear stories of those who are very careful 54:15 to when they're in that scientific form to openly 54:22 acknowledge that they're creationist, 54:23 because of the fact that they're looked 54:24 down upon immediately as being, 54:26 oh much lower minded. So the higher mind 54:28 is the one that believes in the revolutionary 54:30 theories of Darwin and other things and 54:33 you can see that right on in with what 54:35 you're talking about here. You know that 54:36 higher mindedness. It takes more faith to 54:39 me honestly. You've got a really have a 54:41 whole lot of faith to believe that this great 54:43 intellect that we have now came as a 54:45 result of amoeba and an Paramecium. 54:49 The splitting and the continued multiplication 54:51 then divisions of cells. Oh! Then into a fish 54:55 and then that called upon the land and after 54:57 millions of years sprouted lakes and began 55:00 to evolve and evolve and evolve and evolve 55:02 in this one particular organism evolved into 55:04 so many different things that we don't know 55:07 exactly how it started. Now, if you think about 55:10 this whole process. The amoeba and the 55:11 Paramecium remember that the single cell, 55:14 the duel cell, the continue splitting of that or 55:16 complete reproduction then it becomes a fish, 55:19 then it becomes a land animal, a lizard then 55:22 as time goes on, it eventually becomes monkey 55:24 and it goes, I mean John you got to have a 55:25 lot of faith to believe that or you could simply 55:29 say you know what the intellectual part of 55:32 it is, I don't believe that I was, 55:35 I was educated by some evolutionary process, 55:38 but I look at the Bible and the Bible says 55:41 in the beginning God created the heavens and 55:44 the earth and you see evidences are clear 55:48 design rather than evolutionary process. 55:52 The making of man in the image of God 55:54 which is his ability to think and to, to be, 56:00 to enjoy life and the other things that we have. 56:03 So spiritualism seems to replace all that and 56:05 say God is not in the equation. You want 56:06 to think about God. God is not in the equation. 56:09 Listen to what Darwin says, listen to what 56:12 Kaiser Wilhelm says, listen to the great minds, 56:15 the Einsteins. And not a lot of these men, 56:17 and I'm not saying the Einstein was a father 56:19 of any of this false theology. But a lot of 56:23 these men whenever their minds were 56:25 infected by rational thought rather than 56:29 the divine acceptance of the existence of God. 56:33 It went into deep, deep dark sellers that 56:37 now found them down on the platform of 56:39 Spiritualism. yeah. and that's where it's today. 56:41 yeah. and i think the big thing there too 56:43 is that when you believe in the bible, 56:47 that god doesn't just ask you to believe 56:49 blindly. he provides evidence and there's lots 56:53 of evidence of creation. There's lots of evidence 56:57 and that just is all around us of the goodness 56:59 of God who he is and that only a designer can, 57:05 can create a world like this. You know what 57:07 the devil did. Second Corinthians 11 verse 3 57:09 the Lord says the same thing that Satan 57:12 did to Eve, he took her mind away from the 57:14 simplicity that is in Christ and led her down 57:19 a path of complicated thought there by 57:21 deceiving her friends. Let the word of God 57:24 bring it down to the basic fact that Jesus is 57:26 Lord of all and may you accept that Lord 57:29 of all in your life today and have 57:31 a great day in Christ. Amen. 57:34 nd away from the 57:35 simplicity that is in Christ and led her down 57:36 a path of complicated thought there by 57:37 deceiving her friends. Let the word of God 57:38 bring it down to the basic fact that Jesus is 57:39 Lord of all and may you accept that Lord |
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