Participants: David Asscherick & Shanda Ban (Host), Chad & Fadia Kreuzer
Series Code: E
Program Code: E000008
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00:20 Hello welcome to Engage, my name is Shandra Ban and my
00:23 co-host David Asscherick and today we are going to be 00:25 talking about creating for the Creator. 00:28 The very first verse in the Bible tells us who that 00:30 Creator is and that He is creative. 00:33 It says, "in the beginning God created the heaven and 00:36 "the earth." And Shandra in John Chapter 1 our viewers know 00:38 that the Bible says "in the beginning was the Word and 00:41 "the Word was with God and the Word was God." 00:43 It goes on to say, "all things were made by Him and 00:46 "without Him with nothing made that was made." 00:48 In our program today we are going to be talking about 00:50 creativity for the Creator. 00:53 And Shandra introduce us to our two guests, friends of 00:56 ours and soon friends of our viewers. 00:58 Absolutely this is Chad and Fadia Kreuzer and they are 01:01 here from Chicago, Illinois. 01:03 We are so glad to have you with us today. 01:05 Thank you - thank you for having us. 01:06 You live in Chicago? - we live west of Chicago about 01:09 and hour period. - I guess I knew that but I don't think 01:11 of you as being urban people so forgive me. 01:15 Okay, it is great to have you guys on the program today. 01:19 We are talking about creativity and we are going to head 01:23 in that direction in the context of your ministry. 01:25 But first let's introduce our viewers to you. 01:28 Who are Chad and Fadia Kreuzer, let's start with you Chad? 01:32 Who is Chad Kreuzer? 01:34 Well basically I'm from Grand Rapids Michigan. 01:39 I was born and raised here the first 19 years of my life 01:42 was spent there, and my family is still all there. 01:45 I was raised Christian, I've believed in God my whole 01:48 life, but I really didn't follow God. 01:50 I never doubted that He was there, but I didn't live for 01:54 Him and I remember as a young boy slowly thinking less 01:57 and less about spiritual things. 01:59 - like in your teen years kind of thing? 02:02 I would say even a little bit younger I started forgetting 02:06 God. - really? - yeah. 02:07 In a strong Christian home or home like I was raised in, just 02:11 church on Sunday morning? 02:12 Pretty much we went to church every Sunday morning, I mean 02:15 every Sunday morning, we hardly ever missed church during 02:18 my whole life. But we were not real spiritual it wasn't 02:21 a real spiritual home. 02:23 So where do we go from there? Basically as I was falling 02:27 away from the idea of God, I always believed in Him but 02:31 I remember my friends starting to getting into drinking, 02:35 drugs and my dad drank quite a bit so there was always 02:38 alcohol in the house, always cigarettes in the house. 02:41 So I started drinking, I'm the kind of person that 02:43 whatever I like doing I almost immediately become addicted 02:47 to it, so I was. - how old were you thin Chad? 02:49 I was probably about 15 when I started, and after a while 02:53 I was drinking almost every day, smoking every day and not 02:57 even happy with it but I would drink myself to sleep 03:00 watching the Discovery Channel at night. 03:01 - really! Just to clarify, maybe I have heard two things 03:05 here, you did or you did not believe in God? 03:08 It did believe in God, but I wasn't living for God. 03:11 It wasn't a personal belief in God? 03:13 No I knew He was there. 03:14 - okay so you weren't an atheist? - no not an atheist. 03:17 Okay now I have got it. So you are in the teenage 03:19 lifestyle but were you taking it too like an extreme 03:21 maybe? Were you really drinking hard? 03:23 Yeah I was drinking myself to sleep, I wouldn't remember 03:27 going to bed at night and I'm all alone so it wasn't like 03:30 I was doing it for the crowd. 03:31 I would sit and watch TV tell I could remember and would 03:33 wake up in bed and remember my mom shaking me awake in the 03:36 morning. - did your parents know you are drinking 03:38 like this? They had figured it out a little bit because 03:41 my dad's alcohol was going away but yeah, they knew 03:45 something was going on. 03:46 So is that all wait for your teen years, even into your 03:50 early 20s? Most of my teen years but a friend of mine was 03:53 an atheist and I went to school with him all my life. 03:56 We met some girls and the girl invited him to church and 04:00 so like every good atheist he goes to church with the 04:03 girl. It's not like he had any interest in spirituality 04:07 but he went for the girls sake. 04:08 Bet you he actually doesn't obviously always happen but he 04:11 gave his life to God and he ditched the girl right after 04:14 that so it obviously wasn't for her. 04:16 So what do you do with you? 04:18 So after he gave his life to God he told us I can't be 04:21 doing drugs anymore, I can't be drinking anymore, nobody 04:24 told him that he just sensed when he gave his life to God 04:26 that he could do this stuff anymore. 04:28 So when I saw that I thought, man he has what I need. 04:31 I wasn't happy doing what I was doing, I knew this is not 04:35 what I wanted in life but I was doing it anyway. 04:37 So yeah, at that point I began to give 04:41 my life to the Lord. 04:42 So this spurred you on, your friend who is an atheist so 04:45 to speak is now telling you now hey you need to be on 04:47 fire, maybe he is not saying those words but you are like 04:50 man, I should be better doing than I am doing. 04:52 Exactly, exactly and then I later on got into college and 04:56 it was that same friend became a Christian, who invited 04:59 me to a set of Bible prophecy meetings 05:02 in Grand Rapids Michigan. 05:04 There was a young guy there preaching and his name was 05:06 David Asscherick. - I know him. 05:08 I have heard of him, I have heard of him, he is not quite 05:11 as young as he used to be but I have heard of him. 05:13 So you come to the meetings Chad in Grand Rapids, what 05:16 here was that remind me. - 2000. - the year 2000. 05:18 And it is your former atheist friend who gave his life to 05:22 Jesus and is now inviting you to the meetings. - exactly. 05:24 He invited me, I had no desire to go. 05:27 It wasn't like oh that would be great I want to go to 05:29 Bible seminar. - really? So why did you go? 05:32 I had nothing to do that night. - Ho, ho, yes. 05:36 When I saw the first meeting was a prophecy where 05:38 basically God foretold the future of the world and 05:41 basically it was powerful to me. - Daniel Chapter 2? 05:44 Daniel Chapter 2 really it blew my mind and I was set on 05:48 going after that. 05:49 As I recall you came if not every single my most of the 05:52 nights? - Every single night a couple nights I had to work 05:54 late I could not make it but I was there and 05:56 it totally changed my life. 05:58 I was baptized and I learned about the Sabbath at that 06:01 meeting and for me a young lady came up to me before the 06:03 meeting and she said he is going to tell you that Sunday 06:07 is Saturday. I did know what she's met and I said well 06:11 is it in the Bible? - She said yeah and I said I don't 06:14 care if it is in the Bible. 06:16 It's okay because I didn't know what it meant, but when 06:18 I saw the truth about the Sabbath it was so clear to me. 06:21 To me there was no way around it and a want 06:23 to follow the Bible. 06:26 So the meetings lasted about five weeks? 06:27 - Yeah about five weeks. 06:28 You can to all of them and by the end of those meetings 06:31 you made a decision to give your life to Jesus and you 06:33 were baptized? - I was baptized there yeah. 06:34 So that gets us up there and we are going to pause 06:37 if that is okay? 06:39 We want to hear about your lovely wife now Fadia why don't 06:41 you tell us how you met the Lord? 06:43 Well I was actually born in Bagdad Iraq and raised in a 06:47 Christian home but we left there when I was about 06:49 two going on three. 06:51 We moved to Athens Greece to another big city. 06:56 We left there when I was about four years old came to 07:00 Chicago, Illinois and was raised there at four going on 07:04 five. - and that is where you stayed? 07:06 - that's where I stayed for a while. 07:08 Pretty much that is where my family raised me in a city. 07:11 Like I said I was raised in a Christian home, went to 07:15 a Christian school and the whole thing, but living in 07:18 this city is kind of tough. 07:19 We would walk to school and everything but you have a lot 07:24 of things challenging you for spiritual walk. 07:28 You walk to school and see all these kinds of things, 07:31 you go to church you loved it. 07:33 What kind of things? The advertisements, you know guys 07:38 walking by whistling at you. 07:40 external pressures and secular things. 07:45 But when I want to church I loved it and I wanted it. 07:48 I loved God in everything but then I felt like I had 07:51 a split personality and was never happy because of its. 07:55 I was depressed because of it. 07:58 Because I'm not fully God's, and I'm not fully the worlds. 08:00 So because of that I had this turmoil all the time. 08:04 All the way up into your teens, the whole way through? 08:08 Then in my first year of college I went away from home 08:16 and it went well and everything and then the next year I went 08:20 back to college again and that year was the year my older 08:25 brother died. - passed away in a car accident? 08:28 He passed away in a car wreck exactly, he was killed by a 08:30 drunk driver actually and it was just devastating for the 08:33 family. - can I quickly interject a question? 08:35 How many of you were there Fadia? Brothers and sisters? 08:40 I was between two boys. - arose between two thorns. 08:45 - yes. - and the brother that passed away was the 08:46 older? He was a older yes. 08:48 So I loved him, we were close all three of us siblings 08:55 we would stay up late talking all the time and 08:57 we had a really good connection. 08:59 - and what did they do to your spiritual? 09:01 In that aspect it was actually a blessing because prior 09:05 to that the whole struggle, but then I started thinking 09:08 about life and I started to think about death 09:10 and started to think if I would die tomorrow whose life 09:15 had I made a difference in. 09:16 Who could say I know Jesus now because of Fadia's 09:20 influence and I caught myself a Christian. - that's 09:23 heavy? That's very heavy and I thank the Lord for those 09:26 thoughts, so what I think to myself whose life have 09:29 I made a difference in, I started thinking, nobody. 09:33 I can't think of one person that I can say I know Jesus 09:35 because the Fadia. - and there is probably a lot of 09:38 people out there that can say that same thing but 09:40 aren't necessarily thinking that. 09:42 So how did that affect your Christian walk 09:43 from there on out? 09:45 So then my prayer changed, Lord make me a Christian, 09:48 do what ever You have to do I want to follow You. 09:52 I want to minister to others, I want to change. 09:55 I want to be real so from then on the Lord just started 10:00 doing things in my life. 10:02 One of them, like Chad's, I went to a prophecy meeting. 10:07 And as I listened, it wasn't so much the prophecy but it 10:10 was more about the character of God that really touched 10:14 my heart and it was like wow God really cares about us. 10:18 He is not the one that is causing all these things and 10:21 He loves us and those are the things that really changed 10:25 my heart and I wanted to serve Him more because of it. 10:28 It was powerful. - and this lead you to the schools of 10:32 evangelism correct? - yes. - and that is where the two 10:36 of you met. - yes we met at a Mission College and it was 10:41 actually in South Dakota. 10:42 It is really interesting because as a kid I went out to 10:46 South Dakota on a trip and I always loved that area. 10:50 Remember I came from a concrete jungle of Chicago and to 10:53 go to South Dakota, it was just a whole different world, 10:56 a totally different world and it was so beautiful so there 10:59 was a seed in my heart for South Dakota. 11:02 So when the option can to choose a school to go to and 11:05 South Dakota came in, and a few things came into play, 11:09 but when I went to look on the map I said Lord it's either 11:12 right smack in the Black Hills or it's on the 11:14 other side of the state. 11:16 So when I went to see Hermosa I said wow Lord You give us 11:18 the desires of our heart and Lord put that desire 11:22 I believe as a child in my heart because I was going 11:25 to serve Him there, but I didn't realize that's where 11:29 I'd meet my husband. 11:30 Okay great, so we've got both of you up just following the 11:35 Lord Jesus, you have a new passion and fire in your hearts 11:39 and you are at this school, this mission college, this 11:43 Bible College and that's where you meet, 11:45 talk to us about that? 11:46 Well I first met her brother and later on I came back to 11:51 the school and we met then. 11:52 There was really nothing between us in the beginning. 11:55 It wasn't until we moved, we were working together on 11:58 a team of young people who were going out and sharing 12:00 the Gospel door-to-door and putting on a Bible seminar. 12:03 While we were there in Ohio, is were really got to know 12:05 each other and there turned out to be some interest here 12:07 and there, and off and on we had an interest 12:09 she ended up joining a small team of people who traveled 12:12 around putting on Bible seminars. 12:14 Well in the course of time we worked for literally years. 12:18 - look at those eyes are still love there. 12:20 Over the course of the years our interest grew more and 12:25 more, we knew each other so well after working full time, 12:30 every day. - how many years did she work together? 12:32 6 years we worked together before we got married, and we 12:35 got married on the seventh year, so it's like every day 12:39 all day you get to know the good, the bad, and the ugly. 12:43 You go through so many things together and our ministries 12:46 were just coming together more and more and so we started 12:51 to pray, Lord of this is what you want you make it happen. 12:55 We do not want to fool ourselves, we don't want to make 12:59 this happen and the Lord answered our prayers 13:02 and brought it together. 13:03 And one of our prayers was, Lord if You bring us together 13:06 we want our ministry to flourish and we want others to 13:10 come to You more. 13:12 We want our families to come to You and all of that. 13:14 That was our prayer, if You want us to come together 13:16 this is what we want. 13:17 Now you keep talking about your ministry, so in the 13:20 beginning, and even before you were married, your ministry 13:23 was largely a teaching preaching ministry? 13:25 You ended up doing seminars not unlike the seminar you had 13:29 come to that I had conducted. 13:30 Exactly we went around throughout the United States and 13:33 Europe putting on seminars about the Bible, giving reasons 13:37 to believe in the Bible and all right through the Bible. 13:41 Prophecy meetings by in large and we also did some 13:43 seminars in overcoming habits and addictions. 13:45 Okay we are great to have you back for program on that so 13:47 we are looking forward to that. 13:48 But at some point you end up in the Pacific Northwest, 13:52 You end up sort of Oregon way is that right? 13:54 Yep. - it is a very secular area, at least where 13:56 you were it is very secular, not a particularly 13:59 a very churched area and you consistently are hearing 14:02 something and that lights a spark for you. 14:06 So what was it that you were hearing? 14:07 Well we were meeting a lot atheist and Gnostics who didn't 14:10 believe in the Bible by in large and while we would talk 14:13 to them, they were open to talking. 14:14 Actually they were more open to talking about spiritual 14:17 matters than Christians are. 14:19 I honestly found that to be the case, we really love 14:21 talking to them, nevertheless as we were talking with them 14:23 and we would speak about the Bible and they would say 14:25 I saw something about that on the Discovery Channel. 14:28 So after hearing that a number of times I knew, like 14:31 I said I used to drink myself to sleep watching it. 14:34 I knew seeing everything you would see on 14:36 spiritual matters would be skeptical and so we thought man 14:38 what if someone will go around to archaeologist, 14:41 theologians, scholars that believe in the Bible and instead 14:44 of giving the skeptical slant given reasons to believe 14:47 in the Bible, to believe in prophecy and the things 14:50 of the Word of God. 14:51 Sort of that medium, the Discovery Channel, the history 14:54 Channel type documentary is an incredible medium but not 14:57 coming from the skeptical perspective but from the 15:00 believing perspective. - exactly. 15:02 So you get this vision in your heart and what were do 15:05 we go from there? 15:06 Well what happened is we thought somebody should do this, 15:09 is what we thought. 15:10 We thought somebody out there. - we had this idea lets 15:12 tell somebody else about it. - exactly. 15:13 We knew someone who worked in video and thought 15:15 they should do this you know. 15:16 Actually David, he called you because he wanted you to 15:20 be in a portion of it and when Chad pitched you the idea 15:24 you were like, why couldn't you do it? 15:27 What would it cost to get your own stuff? 15:30 And we were like oh, yeah so that is where that started. 15:34 We started calling up people we knew to fund raise for 15:37 equipment, Chad had started looking into equipment and 15:40 we started a fund raising for that so 15:41 thank you for doing that for us. 15:44 So your thinking rather than bringing in outside help 15:48 and bringing in the expertise, let's just make a go of 15:52 this ourselves? - yeah exactly. 15:54 - let's create for the Creator lets do something? 15:56 Honestly, if I had known how much it would entail at the 16:00 beginning I would have never had done it. 16:01 Had either of you had any training in this area, 16:03 learning how to make documentaries, filming, editing? 16:06 I really had quite a bit of experience, I had about 19 16:11 years of watching them all the time. - okay, but here's 16:15 the reality though, that is how God leads you. 16:18 I mean the disciples said to Jesus tell us everything, 16:20 there is many things I would like to tell you but you 16:22 could not bear them right now. 16:24 God very often He doesn't say we are going to be going this 16:26 way and go through the Red Sea and then we are going, no, 16:29 you just follow Him step by step and often if we could 16:32 see where we are going to have to go we would say that 16:35 journey is not for me. 16:37 But He takes us incrementally. 16:38 For sure, and that is how it was exactly. 16:40 It has taken so much work, it takes so much of our time, 16:44 it takes so much money and we had no idea that it would 16:47 be all of this but it has been an awesome 16:49 experience and the Lord has totally blest it. 16:51 And you bring your 19 years of experience along, 16:53 I love that, I love that. 16:56 And so you know it that it looks good. 16:58 Yeah I guess that's about it. 16:59 And now you can have the benefit of watching it sober. 17:01 Yeah, exactly so I know it even better now. 17:04 So we are going to go to a clip here in a second of one 17:07 of the documentaries, now the documentaries have an over 17:11 arching name and what is that? 17:12 They're called the Scripture Mysteries Documentary Series. 17:16 Basically we have the first four done and there will be 17:19 20 in the series in the Scripture mysteries where 17:22 basically going through some of the main teaching us to 17:24 give reason to believe in the Bible, to believe in Jesus, 17:27 and the message of Scripture. 17:29 So these are covering a lot of the topics that you would 17:31 have both heard in those initial meetings that you went 17:33 into and you also went on to share with others later. 17:35 Now you're putting it into the documentary form. 17:37 Exactly, laying the foundation for belief, the first one the 17:40 purpose is called the forgotten dream and the purpose is to 17:43 give a reason to believe in the Bible. 17:45 So same message, but what we are doing is literally 17:49 repackaging and putting it in a format, not just the 17:53 teaching preaching format. 17:55 I have two brothers and two sisters neither of whom 17:57 are religious or Christian, though as there are with all 18:00 people a spiritual interest sometimes. 18:02 But if I say will come and listen to this guy preach an 18:05 hour-long sermon, yeah right, it would be like saying come 18:08 with me to an insurance seminar. They will be like no 18:11 thank you. But to watch something, and I have sent these 18:14 to my family, I have sent them to my parents and have 18:17 given them away to many people because they are very 18:20 nonthreatening, the format itself is nonthreatening. 18:24 Chad were going to go to about a minute and a half clip of 18:27 one of them so just walk us through what we are going to 18:29 be seeing here. 18:30 We are going to be watching a clip from the third episode, 18:33 which is called the, Theodyssey, Theodyssey has to do 18:35 with the question if God is good why is there so much pain and 18:38 suffering, trying to tackle some of the difficult issues 18:41 people have, because it is a legitimate question because 18:44 if God is good, why go to great things instead 18:46 of bad things happening. 18:48 You probably could ask question when your brother was 18:50 killed in a car accident? Yes and that was one of the 18:53 things that really touched my heart is knowing that in the 18:56 grand scheme of things God is watching over everything. 18:59 He cares and love and in the end it will 19:02 be taking care of. 19:04 Okay let's go to that clip and for viewers take 19:09 a look at this. 19:11 If God is all loving and all-powerful and all-knowing 19:14 why is their pain and suffering? How can God be a good 19:17 God and a loving God in a world of pain and suffering? 19:20 And the very fact that there is a world in which suffering 19:23 occurs, isn't that evidence that this God can't be 19:27 ultimately good? That somehow He has the world He wanted? 19:31 I mean if He is almighty and this is His world, He made 19:35 it, He created it, ultimately He is the one responsible 19:39 for all the suffering and pain that continue plummets 19:42 our world or else He would have done it a different way. 19:45 He would have created it differently. 19:46 And dare I say it that if there were button here that we 19:49 could push to stop evil button and all you had to do was 19:52 go to the front of the classroom and push that stop evil button, 19:55 Dare I say it most of us would push that button. 19:57 but isn't it interesting that the only being in the universe 20:02 that could potentially push that button, namely God, doesn't. 20:49 That looks so good. - absolutely that looks just as good 20:51 as I remember it looking. 20:53 As I am remembering back to that call that Fadia gave her, 20:56 I think it was Fadia and your like yeah we are going to 21:00 be doing a documentary project and you called me as well 21:03 Chad, we want you to be interviewed for it and 21:05 I remember the mental picture that came into my mind. 21:07 It didn't look that nice I had this picture of you with your 21:12 little video camera walking around, you're point-and- 21:16 shoot and then it came to think alright he's got a real 21:20 camera and he is telling me where to stand and then when 21:24 I actually saw the product for the first time 21:28 I was totally blown away. 21:29 You guys have really created some thing that didn't exist 21:34 and it must be a satisfaction with that. 21:36 Talk to us a little bit about the project. 21:38 I really didn't know a lot about, I really actually was 21:42 afraid of technology honestly before I got into this and 21:46 I think it's the whole thing that God calls you to do 21:50 some thing He is going to somehow enable you to do it. 21:53 I look at it and I'm amazed because 21:54 I knew nothing about these things. 21:56 Once again if God tells you this is what you got to do 22:00 I could ask like I did at times how can I do this and God 22:04 enabled me to every single time He always came through. 22:08 I saw a sign on a church one time that says God's 22:11 providence will never lead you were His grace 22:13 will not sustain you. 22:15 That's good, so if He's telling you to go here He's got 22:17 the resources available to Him. 22:19 When you look at it to you sort of have perfection like oh 22:24 or do you have a level of the praise the Lord 22:29 satisfaction with it? 22:30 when I finally finished it, I'm very critical. 22:34 I still go oh Man I wish I could have gotten the sound 22:37 a little better there, I wish I could've done this 22:39 a little bit differently, but what I see it a few 22:41 months later than I can step back little bit and then 22:44 I'm happy with it. 22:45 It is a blessing to see how Lord can work. 22:49 Chad you just said there when you felt that God was 22:52 asking you to do this you asked Him how could I do it? 22:55 There might be others that may have an interest 22:58 in doing some sort of ministry, but they are saying how 23:00 can I do this, do you have any advice that you can give? 23:03 Well one thing I would say be faithful where you are at. 23:06 All though those years that we were ministry to people and 23:09 sharing, and studying the Bible with folks, that was 23:12 preparing us for what we are doing now. 23:14 We had that knowledge of the Word of God so that when the 23:19 time came to put that on film we had it up there and it 23:23 made it easier to know what questions to ask the 23:26 professors, to know what direction to go with the whole 23:29 project and I think because we were faithful to God in the 23:33 small things He was able to give us more. 23:36 I think just to go along with that sometimes you want 23:39 to do something big, ah I need $50,000 to make a video, 23:43 a documentary or what ever. 23:44 The reality is just stick with what God is giving you to 23:48 do right now and if you do it faithfully what He 23:50 asked you to do He will give you something else and 23:52 something more after that and you will 23:54 just continue to grow. 23:55 It is incremental, He is leading you in a step-by-step 23:59 process, it reminds me of a hymn, a hymn that we sing 24:02 that says I stand idle waiting for some life work 24:06 grand, when the field of Jesus waits your reaping hand. 24:10 Of course the book of Ecclesiastes, whatever your hand 24:14 finds to do, do it with all of your might. 24:17 So I like what you say there where it prepared you. 24:21 You had a foundation, you had a substance that you were 24:25 able to transition over to into the video medium. 24:28 What has been the reaction, has it been received as you 24:32 hoped? Yeah surprisingly, you know we were a little 24:35 intimidated because we thought I do not know how people 24:38 are going to like this. 24:39 We were just doing this because we needed this product to 24:41 give to people and share it with them. 24:45 But we thought, oh Man what are other people going to think. 24:48 We are so surprised, we had one professor who had the 24:51 same sentiments that you did, I don't know these kids are 24:55 going to do but I'll help them out. 24:57 A little pat on the back. 24:59 Then we sent him the finished product and he called back 25:02 and was on the phone with Chad for life 40 minutes and he 25:06 told them I was really nervous about doing this and wow I love 25:13 it and I showed it to my 15 members of my family. 25:16 The more secular minded they were the more they like it. 25:19 Well that's the point, that's what you are after 25:21 exactly. - wow that is just great because that is the 25:24 people that were saying the Discovery Channel, because 25:27 like it or not that's the world we live in. 25:29 We live in a world in which you put it on video it 25:32 instantaneously legitimizes it and then if a professor 25:35 an archeologist or whatever now you have more credibility, 25:39 more legitimacy, why should we be using this part of the 25:43 human psyche in modern times for the glory of God? 25:46 That's what we have been finding in one of the issues 25:48 a lot of times people struggle to reach 25:50 some of the younger people. 25:52 I mean we found people and my grandfather is in his 80s 25:54 and he liked it. He said I want to watch it again but we 25:58 found that young people, college age, high school, people 26:00 that are generally kind of difficult to share something 26:03 with, or wouldn't be even necessarily open. 26:06 We found we had testimonies of mothers whose kids have 26:10 fallen away and they share how the Lord has 26:13 changed their sons life. 26:14 He came home and saw the documentary and said what is 26:17 this and can I watch it? 26:19 He says after that He's back in the Bible. 26:22 You know Fadia you just said something earlier, 26:25 we felt a need for it and we were just making a product 26:30 that we knew we needed and now it is being used 26:32 in such a wide capacity. 26:34 But as an encouragement to others that is beautiful, 26:37 if you see a need in your sphere of influence, 26:40 do something about it, you're the one that sees it and 26:44 God is obviously laying that on your heart and 26:46 you can do something about it. 26:47 That is where the whole thing of God didn't let us 26:51 see everything in the beginning. 26:52 We just saw what we did and went forward with it. 26:55 Now we hear from people all over the world, literally all 26:58 over the world they call us up and write to us online and 27:01 it has just been beautiful and we love it. 27:04 So bring in the program full circle here the Lord has not 27:09 only created us in terms of our beginnings but He's 27:12 re-created Chad and your heart for passion for Himself 27:15 and He is created in you a new heart. 27:16 He's done the same for you Fadia, sort of born out of 27:19 that difficult experience with the loss of your brother. 27:22 Then He created a beautiful marriage and there is really 27:25 a lot of creativity here Shandra. 27:27 The creation of new heart, the creation of a beautiful 27:30 marriage, and then now you guys are going out and 27:33 ministering to people and you have created this thing that 27:37 didn't exist, when you think about it this product doesn't 27:41 exist, this tool does not exist in the hands of ministers 27:45 until you created it. 27:47 So praise the Lord and we thank you for what you have done. 27:49 Thank you so much for being on the show today and we just 27:51 like to thank you for being here with us too. 27:53 please contact us at: 27:57 or search for us on face book and please let God create 28:00 a new heart in you. |
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