Participants: Steve Wohlberg (Host), Wayne Blakely
Series Code: COT
Program Code: COT000001
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00:09 Homosexuality, the Bible, the Church and Jesus Christ.
00:13 That's our topic, so don't go away. 00:59 Welcome to Coming Out. 01:00 This is the beginning of a 13 part series 01:03 produced by White Horse Media 01:05 that deals with some very very hot and controversial issues, 01:09 dealing with homosexuality, 01:10 the Bible, Jesus Christ and the Church. 01:13 I'm here with Wayne Blakely, 01:15 who is one of the cofounders of Coming Out Ministries. 01:19 He lived for nearly 40 years 01:21 practicing in the gay culture and yet his life has changed. 01:27 He is here today as a different man, 01:29 as a new man and he is here basically to tell his story. 01:33 So Wayne, I really want to thank you for coming. 01:35 Welcome you. 01:36 I know its little bit cold here in North Idaho 01:39 as you can gather today 01:40 and that's why we have our warm hot tea, cheers. 01:46 So any way again thanks you for coming, 01:48 it's a privilege to have you and I know you got lot share. 01:50 Yes. 01:52 Thank you I'm so blessed 01:53 and and I'm overjoyed to every chance 01:56 I get to share, my testimony 01:59 about what God can do in peoples life's. 02:02 Now the word or the phrase coming out-- 02:04 Yeah. 02:05 That's based upon Bible verses 02:07 and that's the the motto of your ministry. 02:09 That's right. 02:10 Want to share that testimony, 02:11 tell us briefly why you picked that verse? 02:14 Well, it comes right out of 1 Peter 2:9 02:17 which I'll read to you. 02:20 It's important to remember here to-- 02:22 when Christ comes, is going to come 02:24 at the darkest point in our history. 02:27 So it makes sense that it said "His own special people, 02:30 that you may proclaim and the praises of Him 02:33 who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light." 02:37 So we wanted to give the true meaning 02:39 to the phrase Coming Out. 02:42 Okay, and that's a little bit of play onwards right? 02:44 Yeah. 02:45 Based on you know common binocular-- 02:46 Yeah, usually the common idea would be 02:49 that one someone presents and says you know 02:51 that they are coming out and they basically say 02:54 I'm gay and that there's nothing 02:55 that you can do about it. 02:56 I mean, while we individually might be not be able to do 03:00 something about somebody's individual physical makeup, 03:04 we worship a God who is awesome and very powerful 03:07 and can draw us into His will instead of our own. 03:11 Well, we all have our stories 03:12 I have got mine and I'm not here 03:14 to tell it today, but you are. 03:15 So why didn't just go back 03:17 and I know you have to a lot to share 03:20 we don't have five hours for this testimony, 03:24 but we do have time so and I'm sure 03:26 people will be very interested to hear just give us a-- 03:29 you know start at the beginning 03:30 and start walking us through what has happened in your life. 03:34 Well, you know there are many stories out there 03:36 and everybody story matters, this is just mine. 03:40 And I have a-- a birth mother 03:43 who was adamant during her pregnancy 03:45 that she was not going to have a baby girl. 03:48 She was so adamant about it 03:50 that when she did gave birth to me, 03:52 she went through a lot of postpartum depression, 03:55 a lot of anger and grief and before I was two years old 03:59 she took this out on me 04:00 by breaking my arm in two different places. 04:03 And just, just out of mere frustration 04:07 and and being angry on her part I guess-- 04:11 you can imagine the impact that that would have on me, 04:14 at such a young age as at infancy. 04:17 My father was an Air Force career man 04:21 and so he saw the need to to get help 04:25 and he had a sister and brother-in-law 04:28 who were willing to adopt me. 04:30 They are today still strong groundly 04:35 biblical grounded Christians. 04:37 And so I went into their home and my dad-- 04:40 I'll refer to my parents from now on 04:42 as my an uncle and my dad said 04:45 when we took you we had prayed about it heavily 04:49 and God gave me the impression 04:51 that He had a very, very special plan for you. 04:54 So your real mother wanted a girl? 04:57 Yes. 04:58 And you weren't a girl obviously 05:00 and so she-- I'm sure she had-- 05:03 she must had a lot of another issues, 05:04 but she took that out on you. 05:05 Exactly. 05:06 And so you know what a-- 05:08 what a horrifying things I cannot-- 05:10 I can hardly imagine. She broke your arm? 05:12 He didn't set me. Yeah, I did-- 05:13 how is that gonna set me up 05:15 for for falling in love with a woman. 05:16 You know I have the damage 05:17 that I really been done at an early age. 05:20 And so I was at the age of three, 05:22 I was running around the house at my parents screaming 05:26 I don't want to be a boy I want to be girl. 05:28 So I was still trying to get her affirmation, her approval. 05:33 And that began to lay a dark cloud 05:37 over my adolescence years. 05:39 Yeah, your, your adopted parents, 05:42 they they had a Christian-- 05:43 you said they were Godly they believe the Bible, 05:45 they went to church. 05:46 So as you shifted from your real mother 05:50 and father to this new family. 05:51 Yes. 05:52 You-- you were thought the Bible 05:54 as you were growing up is that correct? 05:55 Christ was in our home, 24/7. 05:59 My parents you know we-- 06:01 we you know had worship in the morning, 06:04 we prayed before meals, we studied God's word 06:08 and so what better place for me to be 06:11 than in a place where God was-- was definitely present 06:15 and I believe that God placed me in that family, 06:17 but I arrived with some significant problems. 06:20 So you learned the stories of Jonah 06:23 and Moses and the biblical stories, 06:27 and I'm sure they-- they affected you 06:29 and did as a little boy, 06:30 did you make a decision 06:31 that you wanted to be follower of Jesus? 06:33 I did and I was baptized, I mean-- 06:36 At what age? I believe, I was 10. 06:41 And I was going to Christian school, 06:44 and I would go to Church and from-- 06:47 from the very first day of school, 06:49 I was different than most of the other boys 06:51 and so I have-- I was effeminate. 06:54 I didn't know that I was any different than any-- 06:56 I had no clue that other-- 06:58 you know guys were not wired 07:00 the same I-- way I was wired, 07:02 but I was bullied and harassed and teased 07:05 and went home from every day of school, 07:08 you know crying nearly every day, 07:11 standing in front of a mirror 07:12 punching myself in the face and blaming God and saying 07:15 why was I made a boy 07:16 when I was supposed to be a girl, 07:18 like this was God's fault. 07:20 It didn't set me up for a very bright future. 07:23 My parents began to reach out to the Church, 07:25 they began to reach out to schools 07:27 and say we know what should we be doing 07:29 and they got no help. 07:31 There weren't resources in the Church to deal with, 07:34 and I'm sure you were just-- I can hardly imagine-- 07:36 I mean I grew up in the Hollywood hills 07:38 and my mother didn't break my arm 07:40 and I was you know close to my mom 07:42 and close to my dad 07:44 and I went through the developmental stages 07:47 of growing up and yes, in my teenage years 07:51 I went off the D-band which is another story 07:54 and then the Lord rescued me, 07:56 but I-- you know I never had 07:57 any kind of trauma like you had into-- 08:00 do you attribute, your, your feminine manifestations 08:07 as you are growing up, which you're teased for, 08:10 your attribute that and to-- 08:12 I'm mean, I'm just curious with that, 08:14 do you see that as a gene issue 08:15 or do you see that as a mother issue, 08:19 you know depending upon-- 08:20 based on what happened to you with your mom. 08:21 Right. 08:22 I think from here was I would guess 08:25 that it was probably conditional, 08:27 but I think it's also important that we remember that it's-- 08:30 that I can't go into same blaming my mother 08:32 and saying that, that's why I became gay. 08:36 I think that is shaped, it definitely conditioned 08:38 and shaped my feature have big factor and there was-- 08:41 you know the prenatal impressions 08:43 that she had had something to do with that too 08:46 and it's also important to remember through out time, 08:49 that they-- you know there's a contention today 08:52 that God made me gay and so I-- 08:54 my response today is that God only made two perfect people, 08:58 that's Adam and Eve. 08:59 And then after sin we were born with fallen nature, 09:03 and we have the stain of sin honest, 09:06 we have the sins of our father's on us. 09:10 And so through out time 09:11 God is still looking for this peculiar people. 09:14 So at what-- at what age? 09:17 I guess it was very very young 09:19 when you started showing feminine characteristics, 09:23 did you-- at what age did you noticed 09:25 that you were attracted to men, to boys instead of to girls? 09:31 Right, there was never a time 09:32 that I can recall that I wasn't, 09:35 I began to act out in the second grade. 09:38 I remember that I would go into the boys bathroom 09:41 and want to play doctor with the boy in the bathroom, 09:45 no one knew that was going on, 09:48 but it began to say it to me I began to know 09:50 that there was something wasn't quite right. 09:52 By the time I was 13-- 09:53 This was all in a Christian school was it? 09:55 Yes. 09:56 It was a bathroom in a Christian school. 09:57 Yes, yes. 09:58 At 13 I was reading the Word of God 10:00 and the reference to this homosexuality. 10:02 I would find that we are going, 10:04 this God is talking about homosexuality 10:07 as it's not part of His plan and yet I have these feelings, 10:10 where did they come from? 10:12 I didn't ask for this. 10:13 So you don't feel like you choose them, 10:16 they were just there. 10:17 Exactly. 10:18 But I think it's so important to go back again 10:21 and see that from our very first breath 10:24 Satan is available and he is active 10:27 about warning to deceive us 10:29 through our feelings because he-- 10:30 it's all about the great controversy. 10:32 Whether he can win or whether God can say 10:35 there will be a people who will seek Me. 10:39 So at some point as you were getting older 10:41 and you started wrestling with these feelings, 10:44 because you are reading the Bible 10:45 and you were conflicted. 10:47 Yeah. 10:48 And then I guess it some point you made a decision 10:50 that you were going to-- to go with those feelings. 10:53 Yeah. 10:54 Was that easy decision to make? 10:55 Did it just feel like it was just natural 10:57 or did your conscious bother you 10:59 or did you just find the conclude 11:00 that you know this really is why I'm and-- 11:05 Actually, you know, a guy that I was introduced to me 11:09 made a proposition to me or a proposal to me 11:12 that the church was the very reason 11:15 that homosexual-- he was saying 11:16 that church bred homosexuality. 11:19 And I said how is that? 11:20 And he says 'cause look 11:21 you're a gay I'm gay I got to school with guys 11:24 that are gay to Christian collage 11:26 and the church tells us that homosexuality is sin, 11:29 and that's it, it's cut off nobody says 11:31 what you are supposed to do with it. 11:33 What about the feelings 11:34 that you have are very real to you, 11:36 in fact in most church cultures we don't talk about feelings. 11:40 And so it's not just homosexuality 11:42 that we are looking at, we are looking at any symptom-- 11:44 temptation or any sin issue 11:47 where God is asking us to surrender. 11:50 So looking back you don't really feel like 11:51 you had a safe place to go 11:55 where you could talk about these issues. 11:56 If you did, do you think that you would have done that? 11:59 I sure do. 12:00 Today Coming Out Ministries exists 12:03 so that we can began to educate churches 12:06 of any denomination, of any group 12:09 of believers in Christ to show, 12:12 how we can reach out to people. 12:14 James 5:16 tells us to come 12:16 and confess our sins one to another 12:18 so that we can have healing. 12:19 We don't do that today 12:21 'cause we are so afraid of the gossip. 12:23 So we have got to come to a point 12:24 where we have confidentiality clauses, 12:27 where we can sit down with that small group of people 12:30 and say this stuff stays inside this room, 12:32 but I need your prayers 12:33 and I'm willing to pray for you. 12:35 Do you think it's safe to say that 12:36 in the church today a lot of times 12:39 the response towards someone like you know, 12:42 what you are going through is is just not helpful. 12:46 I mean, it's, you know, people read the Bible 12:48 and they if they don't have those feelings, 12:51 they read what the Bible says 12:52 and it's it's very easy to become judgmental 12:57 and harsh and even mean or cruel. 13:01 And so I think the church has some growing to do, 13:06 and obviously-- I mean 13:07 as you would now or a strong Christian 13:12 I'm sure you look back on your life growing up 13:15 and you know the person you are today looks back 13:17 on the person you were back then 13:19 and I'm sure you want to go back 13:20 to that person if you could and your arm around him 13:22 and say you know I love you 13:24 and have compassion on you and let's, 13:26 you know, let's see 13:27 if we can find a solution to your conflict. 13:31 Yeah, you know as I look out -- 13:33 And probably wish more people will like that. 13:34 As I look at this ministry today, 13:36 I see a couple of things. 13:37 I see the church needing to heartfully say, 13:41 you know, I'm sorry, I was ignorant, 13:44 I didn't know how to reach out to you. 13:46 And what I would ask today from the gay culture 13:48 and the gay community who are largely outcast 13:51 from the lot of church environment 13:53 would be to come back and say I forgive you. 13:56 My understand that you had ignorance 13:58 and that you didn't know how to reach out to me, 14:00 there's a lot-- that we haven't understood 14:02 about God's word, but it's practical to our life today. 14:05 Can we come together and such His word together 14:08 regardless what's in we have and be the sons 14:11 and daughters and the church family 14:13 that God intended us to be. 14:14 Right. 14:15 So regardless of what your mother did to you, 14:18 breaking your arm and, you know, 14:20 the trauma you went through and the feelings you developed 14:23 and you know the feminine side 14:25 and all of these struggles that you went through, 14:27 you are still a human being that was created and is loved-- 14:33 loved by God and the God has plan for your life 14:36 and I think it's-- mean it just speaks to me 14:38 that whatever background we have, 14:40 that we need to look at each other in that light 14:43 you know weather it's homosexuality 14:45 I didn't personally I didn't go through 14:47 those kind of struggles as a teenager, 14:49 you know, whether it's genetic 14:50 or whether it's mom and dad or whether it's environment, 14:52 what ever it is the mystery of it all, 14:56 when I was a teenager that's was not my struggle, 14:59 but I had other struggles and I plunged off in to alcohol 15:03 and into smoking marijuana and a very wild life 15:07 as a teenager and then I was 20-years-old 15:09 I found the Bible and the Lord filled me 15:12 and called me out of darkness and into His life. 15:14 And so whatever I think we want to make statement 15:17 that whatever issue someone's going through, 15:21 there is a commonality among us all 15:24 that we are all according to God's book, 15:26 we are all sinners and we all need a Savior. 15:30 It is important for us to note, that bitterness from-- 15:33 'cause of the way someone might have treated us. 15:36 My mother, my natural mother, 15:39 the church or somebody else or even if I abuse 15:43 that takes place bitterness doesn't give us 15:47 the right to justify our sin. 15:49 God is still calling us deeper, He is asking us to forgive. 15:53 And so no matter how many times it takes to forgive, 15:56 if we put our faith in not trusting Him, 15:58 it's amazing what God can do 16:00 on the other side of the brick wall 16:01 that we can't see through. 16:03 So just looking at your timeline, 16:06 what age approximate were you when you left 16:12 your reading of the Bible 16:13 or may be I don't if you can did leave 16:15 the reading of the Bible, 16:16 but at some point you took the plunge. 16:18 I did. 16:19 In to a life that, you look back on now with regret. 16:23 I was 18 and I went looking for love 16:26 in all the wrong places and today 16:29 I would say that is important for us to-- 16:31 actually come back and give the true definition to love, 16:35 the love that we're really looking for, 16:37 because I went into so many places 16:39 for so many years. 16:40 You mean 40 years. 16:41 Yeah, and it wasn't well, it wasn't the love 16:43 that God was trying to show me 16:45 but God let me go in all those directions 16:49 that led me into affairs with white men 16:56 led me into prostitution for 12 years. 17:00 it led me down a lot of dark roads a criminal-- 17:07 and now I have a criminal past, because of having been arrested 17:11 and yet God kept paying in on to me. 17:13 I went after all the drugs I went after you know 17:17 whatever it was that would bring pleasure to my life. 17:19 Now I know that this isn't 17:21 the same case for every individual 17:24 who is in the gay culture today, 17:25 but this is what deal is-- 17:27 Some down taking that kind of plunge. 17:29 Satan doesn't care, how he can deceive us, 17:31 if-- as long as he can deceive us with something. 17:33 So even in monogamous same sex relationship, 17:37 even if you only had one lover in your life 17:40 that is not according to the plan 17:42 that God has for you it's still not God's will 17:46 and it's also may not be God's will that-- 17:48 that you actually even marry. 17:50 And so as I come to God's word 17:53 and look at today God is asking from me 17:56 to accept His plan and put my full faith 17:59 and my trust in Him today. 18:01 I mean that's what He is asking of me today, 18:04 but He said I gonna let you go, 18:06 I gonna let you search 18:08 'cause until you can come to that conclusion, 18:11 I'm not a God that treat someone as a robot. 18:14 I honored your choices, I will-- I not a God of force. 18:18 So to make long story short, 18:21 what happened at the end of those 40 years 18:23 that turn your life around. 18:24 At the end of my 40 years 18:26 I came to a place in and sitting 18:28 in my bedroom in front of my computer 18:30 and I contemplated one day my destiny 18:34 and I thought Wayne, what if you got 18:36 at the end of the road here for you? 18:38 You are still living, you are completely disease free. 18:42 You should be dead and all of your friends are-- 18:47 and I simply heard God say it to me can you hear Me know? 18:52 She said all of your friends are dead, 18:54 you have friends that didn't make it. 18:57 Probably over 100 acquaintances and over 40 close friends. 19:02 Wow, they were they all dead? Yes, every last one. 19:05 And it's miracle that-- 19:06 Yeah, it's I had do sit, I mean I didn't have to, 19:09 but I did sit and said, wow, God, 19:13 I don't know You, I have blamed You, 19:17 I have criticized You, I have said You 19:19 made me this way and yet I really don't' know You 19:22 'cause I haven't poured over this. 19:24 I haven't studied this from a redemptive stand point 19:28 and asked what Your will for me, really is? 19:30 And did you begin to feel like you know 19:32 in spite of bitterness and all the struggles 19:34 that may be He was looking out for your life 19:37 because you are still alive, with all your friends were dead 19:40 and now you still alive and hey, wait a minute, 19:42 you know may be He, may be He is there, 19:44 and He does still love me. 19:46 That's called the power of prayer 19:48 because my parents break from me, 19:52 for all those years and many others. 19:57 And so the thing is this that God doesn't force anyone, 20:00 so never think that your prayers go unanswered. 20:03 God is waiting for you to be receptive of the Holy Spirit. 20:08 He was waiting for me to come to a point in my life, 20:11 that I would say God, what are Your answers 20:14 rather than me thinking that I could manage 20:18 to feel my way out through this life. 20:20 So you you discovered grace. I sure do. 20:23 The meaning of grace, sitting there 20:24 in front of your computer during that sober moment, 20:27 you looked at your life, you looked at your past, 20:29 you looked to your friends, you looked at yourself, 20:31 you realized you are still alive 20:33 and that there was someone up their watching over you. 20:35 And I'm sure you knew 20:37 that parents had being praying for you. 20:38 Yeah. So that probably all just-- 20:40 there was in a epiphany moment when-- 20:41 what did you do? 20:43 Did you get on your knees? 20:44 Did you pray a prayer, read a book what you do? 20:47 Nobody is clobbered to the foot of the Cross. 20:49 And you know I sat there and I thought, 20:52 all right God, I haven't thought about You 20:55 for so long in this way 20:57 and I did I got to my knees and I said, 21:02 I don't know how You could forgive me for my past 21:04 because I have done some pretty awful, 21:06 terrible things, that I'm sure hurt my Creator, 21:11 but I said, I know that You say 21:13 that the power of the blood is this, 21:15 that You died for me while it was still a sinner. 21:18 So you remember those Bible verses 21:19 that you had learned 21:21 when you were growing up in church. 21:22 And I'm assuming during those most of 40 years 21:24 you weren't reading the Bible, 21:26 you weren't thinking about those things 21:28 you just pretty much put behind you 21:30 and went on and then had a revelation 21:32 that it's time to come back. 21:35 I was very revealing, I got up off my knees 21:39 and I got in to the shower. 21:41 And while I was in the shower I thought, what time is it? 21:45 And I looked at the clock 21:47 and I knew I could to make it to a church down the street 21:52 because the services were gonna begin at 11 o'clock. 21:55 I walked in, I sat in the back pew, 21:57 I took a Bible with me 21:58 that I hadn't opened in 35 years. 22:01 The Pastor directs says to Philippians 4:13 22:04 I open the Bible and my friend from 35 years earlier 22:08 has written at the top and at the bottom, 22:10 Wayne can do all things. 22:12 Wow. 22:14 Well, I was sitting there thinking, 22:16 this isn't coincidence. 22:18 I haven't opened this Bible, who would knew 22:21 that he went to direct us to that verse that day? 22:24 And so God began to really shape up my life 22:27 and convict me, that I want-- 22:28 Wow your name was on that verse? 22:30 Yes, absolutely. 22:31 My, and how many years ago was that? 22:33 Since been five years. 22:34 Five years, and now you are one 22:36 of the co-founders of Coming Out Ministries 22:40 and just briefly in a nutshell, 22:42 what is Coming Out Ministries about? 22:46 You know there haven't been any in resources in churches 22:48 and so we go to churches today 22:50 or to universities or schools 22:53 that we are invited to, we first share our testimony's, 22:57 as creditability's so people know 22:58 that we have a little bit of back ground about 23:01 where we are coming from and we reach out to parents 23:04 and loved ones and to gay individuals 23:06 themselves to say that God does have a different plan 23:10 and He does want us to love each other, 23:12 but love doesn't mean that we compromise His truth 23:14 and God has the answers in there in His word 23:17 and it also involve self denial. 23:19 Again whether we are afflicted with same sex attraction, 23:23 adultery, overeating, pride 23:25 whatever the case may be God has the answers. 23:28 He asks for us to put our faith and our complete trust in Him, 23:31 not just in the morning 23:32 when we have worship or in the evening 23:34 we have a prayer before we go to bed, 23:36 but He wants contact and communication 23:39 with me constantly 24/7. 23:42 I'm not safe for a moment with out Him. 23:44 So you trusting Him daily? 23:45 Yeah, and so we share this 23:47 with people today and people are-- 23:49 people who are being convicted or seen, 23:52 they are those who are opposing this message, 23:55 but it's a message it's because that they-- 23:57 they are living in a life of deception 23:59 that they been convinced by the enemy 24:02 or by themselves, that their way is the right way 24:07 and that their feels equal truth 24:09 and the thing is that our feelings 24:11 can often equal to deception. 24:13 So not everybody is pleased 24:15 with what you are doing, but many are-- 24:16 Not everybody. Many are responding. 24:18 Yeah. 24:19 You are reaching people, you touching people, 24:20 I'm sure you could tell stories of people 24:23 that have gone these similar things 24:25 as you been through and who are happy 24:29 to have a resource in you and in Coming Out Ministries 24:33 that you didn't get when you were a boy 24:37 going through these-- some of these same struggles. 24:39 Recently, a gentleman who had to been 24:42 at one of the seminars that I had given, 24:45 called me on the phone, 24:46 he says I want to help get you on to a university, 24:48 but first I want to know how many souls 24:50 that you have saved? 24:51 And I said, you know, I said this is a Noah message. 24:56 I really-- I have no idea, 24:58 I said can't tell you one that I know, 25:01 that has come to to fully surrender and the-- 25:04 because of me, and I said you know 25:06 it's not my job to save souls, that belongs to God, 25:10 it's just my job to plant seeds. 25:12 Right Noah's job was to preach. 25:14 Yeah. 25:15 How many got in the boating from a human perspective 25:18 we might say well, it wasn't very successful. 25:20 He only had you know his own family 25:23 really got in the boat 25:24 and all these people rejected what he had to say, 25:28 but I thought about that 25:29 and if you look at the stream of time 25:31 how many sermons have been preached 25:32 on the story of Noah 25:34 and how many peoples life's have been touched 25:35 by realizing this man got in the ark 25:38 and he was saved from the water 25:41 because he made the right choice. 25:42 And so I think Noah's the effective message 25:45 has gone far beyond 25:47 anything that he, that he understands. 25:49 Well Wayne, we are, we're down here 25:51 the end of our program one. 25:54 We will be hearing a lot more from you 25:56 and we have got other stories to hear 25:59 and issues to discuses and-- 26:01 This is exciting. 26:02 It is, its exciting and we as we wind this up 26:04 I want to share few texts that have just impressed me 26:06 as I looked around the verse 26:08 that you-- I have made your motto, 26:12 about coming out of darkness in to His, 26:14 in to His marvelous light. 26:16 Just going back a previous chapter 26:18 it talks about-- Peter talks about those whose-- 26:20 whose souls have been purified. 26:23 The God has a purification work 26:24 that He wants to do in all of us, 26:26 purified through the truth. 26:28 Chapter 1 verse 23 talks about being born again, 26:31 however we are born with whatever our problems, 26:35 we still need to be all of us need to be born again. 26:38 It talks about the word of God 26:40 that lives and abates forever. 26:42 About in chapter 2 verse 11 the importance 26:44 of "abstaining from fleshly lusts, 26:47 which war against the soul." 26:49 Verse 12 talks about 26:50 "having your conversation honest among the gentiles, 26:54 and we are as they may speak against you 26:55 as evildoer yet by your good works 26:58 when they see them they will glorify God 27:00 in the day of visitation." 27:02 And I want you to know that our is to be honest 27:05 in everything that we do. 27:06 On a honest conversation, we are committed to the Bible, 27:09 to the Word of God, to lifting up Jesus 27:12 and to presenting His grace, 27:13 His love and His power to change a life, 27:16 even your life and my life 27:18 and Wayne's life and all of our lives. 27:20 So we got more to come, Coming Out is coming back 27:26 so we hope that you stick with us 27:27 and join us next time. 27:29 If you would like to order the 13th part 27:31 Coming Out series for $34.95 plus shipping, 27:34 call 1-800-782-4253 or write to White Horse Media, 27:39 PO Box 1139, Newport, Washington 99156. 27:43 Pastor Ron Woolsey, Wayne Blakely 27:45 and Mike Carducci are each available 27:47 to conduct a seminar in your area. 27:49 To schedule a speaking engagement 27:51 contact Coming Out Ministries 27:52 by calling 360-936-8514 27:56 or visit comingoutministries.org. |
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