Participants: C.A. Murray (Host), Cheri Peters
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR000110A
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues
00:03 related to addictive behavior. 00:05 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:06 may be too candid for younger children. 00:11 Welcome to Celebrating Life in Recovery. 00:13 My name is Cheri and we're going in to our ninth season 00:15 and we talk about addiction all the time. 00:18 This season we're gonna talk about the health message. 00:20 Isn't that crazy because what do I know about how? 00:52 We are beginning our ninth season. 00:55 If you can believe that, that we've done this ninth time 00:58 whatever you see Cheri and I together 00:59 you know we are kicking of a brand new season. 01:02 Now, we need to tell, we don't script this shot, 01:04 has no rehearsal, there's no going 01:06 through lines and reading teleprompt. 01:07 We sit and talk and let the Lord lead 01:09 and talk about what's coming up in this year 01:12 and each year this show has evolved 01:14 and Cheri, I'm so very excited again 01:16 because a new evolution, a new step, some new stuff this year. 01:21 Health message kind of a new journey for you. 01:22 Why not? That is really-- 01:24 So new for me and I got to tell you how that evolved. 01:26 I-- first of all the book for this season 01:29 is called Celebrations and its all about health. 01:32 And its started with that I end up going into medical crisis, 01:38 I going to hospital, they said if I didn't get to the hospital 01:41 I could have died during that all that kind of stuff. 01:43 So it was a big deal. 01:44 Then they sent me home have a crisis four days later 01:47 I'm back in the hospital same thing. 01:49 And then I'm thinking, okay what's going on? 01:51 You know, what's going on? 01:52 And so they tell me 01:53 that you've got an area they think its cancer 01:55 and your small intestine we're going have to cut it out, 01:59 you gonna have to remove some of that. 02:00 I'm like wait, wait, wait. 02:01 In the whole time, I'm hearing the Holy Spirit saying, 02:05 you know I've tried to get it you to take care of that early, 02:07 you know 'cause you know with there is 02:09 health and part of recovery is 02:11 that we look at these really serious issues 02:13 and we look at sexual addiction and drug addition 02:15 and we look at, you know the media think that 02:18 we do in recovery of just kind of taking care of the problem. 02:21 But if you gonna do long term recovery 02:25 you're gonna have to start laughing out loud. 02:27 You're gonna have to let the sun hit your skin. 02:29 You're gonna have to make sure that you eat right 02:31 and go to bed at a decent hour 02:32 and do all that kind of health stuff. 02:34 I had avoided that for a long time 02:37 because I liked to stay up late. 02:38 I don't know if I necessarily like water, 02:40 you know what I mean? 02:41 I know I don't like brown rice. 02:43 You know, it's all that kind of stuff 02:44 and I watched and I had-- 02:46 can I say this I watched health nuts over the years 02:49 tell something about health 02:51 and they looked mad all the time. 02:52 You know, and they don't you know they necessarily look 02:54 these health issues, you want them to look. 02:56 And so I kind of stayed away from that 02:58 and all the sudden now I'm hit with something 03:00 that I believe God Himself says 03:03 if you're gonna honestly help people 03:05 they need to know about how to take care 03:08 of themselves in the long run. 03:10 So this season we decided to do the health message. 03:13 Celebrations is a book and I love this. 03:16 It was really well done but in our church 03:19 the Adventist churches that conference, 03:21 the General Conference and one of the teams 03:25 there is health ministries they put a book together 03:27 and I went to meet them at one point 03:30 and they didn't know who I was? 03:31 And they're like tell me, I don't know you from a bar. 03:34 So, you know, who are you? And what are you doing? 03:36 So we tried what recovery ministries 03:38 and they showed me this book and I thought oh, Celebrations. 03:42 We just wrote a program a 14 week we program 03:44 for the church on dealing with addictions called 03:47 Celebrating Life in Recovery with the tape in the that 03:50 we do here, their testimony that we do here. 03:52 And he said, you know, would you be interested in putting 03:56 that message in with your 14 week program? 03:59 And I thought if it's perfectly and so we decided 04:02 to put it in with the 14 week program. 04:04 We had some writers come in, some people come in 04:06 with photography and its slide in there really nicely 04:10 and then I thought I want to do a whole season on it 04:13 because I was so blessed by the message 04:15 and the richness of in the long run taking care of ourselves. 04:21 How do we do that? Well done. Well done. 04:23 You know, I need, as we said we don't script-- 04:25 I needed just give your flowers while you can still smell them 04:28 because you know I'm a fan, you know, I'm a fan. 04:30 I was known each other for years but couple of years ago 04:32 we're in Australia together and I saw you 04:33 move in to a whole new realm 04:35 that not only are you a good host 04:38 and you do this well but I saw you stand 04:40 before a group of young people and teach. 04:42 I mean, give medical facts and give 04:44 and do a whole different kind of thing for you 04:46 and the Lord blessed you, you do that well. 04:49 It comes across very believable. 04:50 So, you can you know you can go in to the class room 04:53 and put on the mortar cap and teach or you can go out 04:58 to the street and minister for the Lord to. 05:00 So God has given you that gift. So while you take them of that. 05:01 We-- and I love that. 05:02 I love, you know, like the first time 05:05 I got into recovery and I realized that you know 05:07 I know chemistry changes with addiction 05:10 and we have a nerve called the vascular retro flexes nerve 05:13 that literally connects us to our frontal lobe 05:15 and if we are addicted we sever that 05:17 and we are not using higher reasoning to think. 05:20 And I'm thinking as a little addict 05:21 I'm like that's not good news. 05:23 You know I only smoke a pot 05:25 thinking that I'm using my frontal lobes 05:26 no you not even thinking any more, 05:28 you know, how does every thing break down. 05:30 And so I love teaching that. 05:31 But you know what I found what I learned 05:34 just over the last few years 05:36 that if we're not taking care of ourselves 05:37 in our in every single way not just addictions 05:41 and a crazy thinking in how we treat each other 05:43 and our connecting with each other and with God 05:46 if we're not doing all of the other things 05:48 as simple exercising you know, 05:51 you know how much time do you just play, 05:54 do you go out and just have fun. 05:56 And if we don't do that we're not gonna be in recovery 05:58 for very long regardless of what the addiction is. 06:01 That's what and that's what like comes on I believe. 06:04 For so many years we can focus on 06:06 what you do not do, do not smoke, do not drink. 06:08 But what about replacing that with some positives? 06:10 And you know there the stuff you got it to 06:12 along the stuff that you are not doing. 06:13 I think that's what the way you are talking about 06:15 when we go to this whole celebration thing. 06:17 You can quit stuff but then you got replace it with good stuff, 06:20 you know, if you're gonna be whole kind of a thing. 06:22 Like the first season, you'd love 06:24 like we're gonna do this role in 06:25 and the first role we're gonna do is 06:27 with people that are making choices 06:29 with what's hitting them right now. 06:31 And so we've got like this one guy Michael 06:34 is coming out of the gay culture 06:36 and all that kind of stuff. 06:37 God involved with demonic eroticism 06:40 and I mean when you even think about 06:42 that you don't want to ask what is that? 06:44 Yeah. 06:45 Just like do I really want to know what that means? 06:49 Oh, I'm not gonna go over, I want to go over. 06:51 But you know so he is literally sexually involved 06:54 with demons themselves 06:55 and that is all played out in his life. 06:58 And he has to make choices to come back 07:00 in to a legitimate connection with people. 07:04 We establish himself as for as just what's normal, 07:08 get out of the dark side. 07:10 And so he's making those choices. 07:12 So the prefers part of the celebrations in an acronym 07:15 is that start making good choices in your life. 07:18 Brad, my husband he's back on a program, 07:20 he's been on the program before turned out this last year 07:24 that he had Parkinson's early on to Parkinson's. 07:27 And he's also got diagnose with cancer 07:29 and so we're looking at that's a-- 07:31 what is that mean? 07:32 His first response is that he wants to prove-- 07:34 a drivers bike in front of a truck. 07:36 So that I can collect the insurance 07:38 so he doesn't have to do it any more. 07:40 And I'm thinking no, no, no so, you know 07:42 even it doing a choice to live and doing the next thing 07:46 and how do you take care of yourself 07:47 and you're physically being hit and then we have one of my 07:51 favorite stories, you remember tattoo Jim. 07:53 Oh, yeah. 07:54 And tattoo Jim is covered with tattoos 07:57 and piercing and all that kind of stuff. 07:59 And I tell the story we were at a pastor's house 08:02 and we're at this pastor's house 08:04 and he decides to ministry Jim. 08:06 Well, Jim is hardcore and he leans over 08:09 and he says to Jim that everybody has problems. 08:11 And Jim is like, yeah, what's your problem? 08:14 And he said for a moment he had to think, 08:16 I don't know what is my problem. 08:18 And he finally decided to be honest for Jim 08:21 and he said you know what I had a problem with-- 08:23 I'm a chronic masturbator. And Jim is like oh, dude. 08:29 I didn't want to know that, I didn't want to know that. 08:32 So I want to show you some of those rollings. 08:34 It was an incredible season 08:35 but we're looking at making choices, exercising 08:38 and taking care of yourself and everywhere so enjoy this. 08:43 I so well, the night that I'm about to be baptized, 08:45 my sister said what you're gonna do about your boyfriend? 08:47 And I looked around, I got it that Jesus love me. 08:50 I got it that He accepted me exactly where it was 08:53 and I looked at my sister said I'm gay. 08:54 I was born this way. This is who I am. 08:56 I tried to change, it never happened. 08:58 I prayed that it would change. 08:59 And my sister, I believe is move 09:01 by the Holy Spirit because she stopped. 09:03 And the next day was baptized and the only verse in the Bible 09:06 that really stands out to me is that God says, 09:08 "My ways are not your ways 09:10 and my thoughts are not your thoughts." 09:11 And I believe that God allowed me to be baptized 09:13 and He began that journey with me. 09:15 He gave me what is truth was in His word 09:18 and even in my ignorant sin I said how dare you God, 09:21 you know create me gay 09:22 and then tell me I'm in abomination? 09:24 That's not fair. 09:25 You know if salvation is good for them 09:27 but not for me then that's even more rejection 09:30 and that's even in my ignorance Jesus said, 09:32 keep walking with me, Mike. 09:34 And I said kept walking with Him every time I fell 09:37 He said, get up and I would even test Him, 09:39 I would even act out, you know sexually 09:42 and just say You still want me now God, 09:44 you know after what I've done? 09:45 And when I kept hearing from Him is, yes. 09:47 What was interesting is that and yet again 09:50 since we are talking about exercise 09:51 and we talked about the bike riding 09:53 and stuff like that you know, that was something 09:54 I was doing was bike riding, riding the bikes 09:56 but it was crazy to actually been on some bike rides 10:01 and have been so deep in to the dark place 10:03 of depression and dealing with Him. 10:05 I ever going to play the trumpet again and man. 10:07 its just the Parkinson's and you know, 10:09 and this focal dystonia thing and all this stuff 10:11 where I would be riding along going okay, 10:13 there is a truck right there, 10:15 you know it would be easy enough 10:16 to just make this look like an accident, 10:17 you can collect the insurance money 10:19 and you would be better off. 10:20 I mean-- The first time-- 10:21 I was too poised in my life where that was how close it was 10:26 and fortunately every time that happened it was 10:28 like man, you better pull your bike over 10:29 and check yourself right now. 10:31 You better just stop. 10:32 You better just stop right in right out 10:33 because you know you don't really intended to do that. 10:35 That's really about dying daily and Father Goyette told us 10:38 his great story recently a gathering of prayer leaders. 10:40 He said, his dad took him out one time 10:42 because he would he grew up in a communist country 10:44 and he is feeling like, you know upset 10:47 because his friends were making fun of him 10:49 because of his Christianity. 10:51 And his dad takes him out to this graveyard. 10:54 He says I want you to kick the grave 10:55 and he says no that's disrespect. 10:56 He says, no kick it. 10:57 So he kicked it and then he says 10:59 now I want to say something rude and ugly 11:01 to that the person there. 11:03 He says, well, that's disrespectful. 11:05 He says, no say. And so he's like, you stupid, you stupid. 11:08 And then his dad said, what if the person say back? 11:11 And he said, well nothing. 11:14 And he says the reason you're offended 11:15 is because you're not dead yet. 11:18 That person is an offendant, 11:20 they are dead, they don't say anything. 11:22 You get upset, you get irritated, 11:23 you lose your cool whatever because you're not dead yet. 11:26 And that's my prayers. Lord, let me die. 11:29 Well, that is so powerful and so pertinent 11:31 and so timely to what's going on in our society right now. 11:34 Incredible. Good stuff, yeah. 11:35 What's really interesting when pastor Jim, I love him, 11:38 when he said, I have him on the show 11:40 he said you're gonna tell that story, aren't you? 11:42 Well, yeah. 11:44 But you know it just like been able to even looking at 11:48 people's life's and their stories 11:50 is that Jim finally opens up 11:51 for the first time with tattoo Jim telling him 11:54 that story then he decided to open up to the church 11:57 and his wife is like saying don't do it. 12:00 And he does and his whole church starts to heal 12:02 and said really very sincere way 12:06 as with their sexual addictions 12:08 and they open up to the community. 12:10 And you've high school kids coming over talking about 12:12 how stuck they are with their own sexual sense. 12:15 And so you know he's honesty with this one biker 12:19 leads to a whole change in his church. 12:21 Yeah. It was unbelievable. 12:22 Yeah, it does takes some manning up to the sort of 12:25 throw it out there like that 12:26 but I found I think you have too 12:29 that people are pretty forgiving. 12:31 If you put it out there and say I'm trying to get better, 12:33 I'm not hiding this stuff. 12:35 They want to forgive, they want to heal, 12:36 they want to you see heal 12:37 and I know you experienced that. 12:39 As only I've experienced that but they also have seen 12:42 the fact that at the end the bottom line 12:45 is it God is in vindicated. 12:46 We are mass, you know the next person 12:50 you're gonna meet said something to the, 12:54 in fact there his wife said, she looked at me 12:56 because of where they can form such a normal background 12:58 and they you know Adventist for years, 13:00 Christians for years and all that kind of stuff. 13:02 She said, you know I thought 13:03 the blood of Christ was overkill. 13:05 You know what I mean? 13:07 You know I get impatient once in a while 13:09 and God had to die because of that. 13:10 I just didn't get it. 13:12 You know, even the facts that 13:13 we don't even break denial on our naive 13:16 and when we do there such healing that happens with that. 13:19 But when you do start to take care of yourself in everywhere 13:22 because if you're asking God to change your life 13:25 and let you stand in the end of the great controversy 13:27 and in honest way its gonna take some work 13:30 and you're gonna need to be rested. 13:32 Do you know what I mean? Did you know that's good together. 13:35 Very true. Yes, yes indeed. 13:37 You know before we go to our next segments-- 13:39 I got to compliment you and not so much you about 13:42 what God has using you to do 13:43 'cause you're getting used, you know. 13:44 Amen. 13:46 This whole new set of materials which I just seen the-- 13:50 I saw in its formative stages but to see it now 13:53 in package stage Celebrating Life in Recovery group 13:55 and then the leadership guide and this, 13:58 this I love Skips the Christ. 13:59 Skips to Christ. Skips to Jesus. I love that. 14:01 Which I really love and even the story on the guy 14:04 who does Jesus for you in the graphics just really, 14:09 really good stuff and I notice you gonna bless so many people. 14:12 And just I'm so proud of you 14:13 what you let God do through you. 14:15 Thank you and to me I think the one thing 14:17 that I'm learning and the longer I stand up 14:20 is that there are so many people in pain. 14:23 There are so many people hurting 14:25 and when you watch them go from this place of being stuck in 14:29 and in pain and isolated and their life not working 14:32 to taking in a breath and step in out 14:35 and grabbing their life back and reconnecting 14:37 with God in each other, its so incredible. 14:39 And so it is so worth whatever we have to do 14:43 in order to say I'm gonna be a part of 14:45 that recovery in my life and someone else's life. 14:48 If this show has done something over the nine seasons 14:50 that we've taped it here 14:51 its one it shown that you can be real. 14:55 That there is a healing community 14:57 and that there is nothing to be gained by walking around 15:00 with several polyester patina that's not real. 15:03 The other person you're fooling yourself 15:04 because God knows, devil knows, you know. 15:06 So why? You know why? 15:08 Get real put on the mask and get healed. 15:10 And let the Lord in your own skin. 15:12 Yeah. Do you morph that? 15:13 You know, there is something that the devil says-- 15:16 you know like-- we've covered so many things 15:19 even this season, you know sexual molest and adultery 15:23 and the next rolling you're gonna see, 15:24 you're gonna see some of that stuff. 15:26 We've covered that and the more we get into that darkness 15:28 as we would get lost and we're not laughing anymore 15:32 and we're not connected anymore and that joy is gone 15:35 and saying such you know what 15:37 don't be telling people what you're doing 15:39 because they'll never gonna talk to you again. 15:40 Yeah, just keep it in the closet 15:41 because in there along. 15:43 And its no like, no help. And been able to shame you. 15:44 Yes, yes, yes, yeah. 15:45 That this is so shameful and you know who wants to-- 15:47 you know you don't want the people 15:48 that you are that guy or that woman or whatever. 15:51 And God is yelling that's a lie, 15:54 come out of hiding. 15:56 It is gonna be tougher. 15:57 Well, when you admit for the first time 16:00 that you're beating your wife for the-- 16:01 you're doing prescription drugs or that may be I'm a liar, 16:05 stealer or whatever when you live 16:07 that for the first time, it is tough. 16:09 But God says you know I promise you, 16:12 you would get through this and you don't have to hide anymore. 16:15 And in my own recovery and I always 16:18 I think that this season is hard for me 16:21 because as I the longer I get in to recovery 16:24 and I circling somehow 16:26 and I start to look at things different. 16:28 I sort to make immense, I sort to forgive the people 16:30 around me is all the sudden would do 16:32 a docudrama here at 3ABN on my life story 16:35 and so we were putting that together 16:37 and we were doing the scene of my mom and my mom 16:41 where she rejected me when I was a little girl. 16:43 But as we set up the scene 16:45 I saw her life for the first time. 16:48 And I wanted to just weep, I wanted to say 16:50 that I keep looking at this tragedy in our family 16:55 as if it was only about me but I see my mom 16:58 trying to deal with five kids with her husband molesting. 17:01 Well, she was just a kid herself, 17:03 she's in this environment 17:05 and she's just trying to survive 17:06 and my heart broke. 17:08 So now I see her in a different way 17:10 and I have a hard time to even starting to say 17:12 the story about my neglect, my abuse 17:16 because I want to say but, but, but. 17:20 My mom was also abused, also neglected. 17:23 So even as you start to get into that and start to heal 17:27 and you start to look at your past 17:29 maybe in a whole different way 17:31 you have the enemy coming and start tormenting you. 17:34 But you can't say that because then they're gonna think 17:36 that you lied about this other thing. 17:38 And I'm thinking I didn't lie, I'm just seeing it different 17:40 because I've been 30 years in recovery. 17:43 I'm no longer feeling like I'm a victim, 17:45 I'm no longer feeling that kind of stuff. 17:47 In fact, I can honestly see that everybody was trash 17:51 because we have an enemy that is out to trash us. 17:54 And you only get that with some time 17:55 and with some perspective 17:57 and being able to sort a step outside 17:58 and turn around look back at it 18:00 and get the hopeless factor. 18:01 Before we go to our next set of rolls, 18:02 you got to tell me what's in that little can there 18:06 because that is so cool. 18:07 Well, you know, isn't this cool? It's so fun. 18:09 As we ended up doing the whole program 18:11 may have got leaderships guides 18:13 and participant's manuals and 20 video clips. 18:16 From Celebrating Life in Recovery 18:18 in this 14 week program for the churches 18:21 and somebody's like well, 18:22 you're gonna mail that every time. 18:24 And I thought yeah, yes we are. 18:26 And they said you should do this 18:28 and they said you should just put it on a card like this, 18:31 a USB card they could put it right in their program 18:33 in their computer and have all the programs. 18:36 You know I thought shut up that is the cool as sin. 18:40 So in this little USB card they can be mailed out 18:43 in this tin with every single thing you need. 18:45 This all of this material. 18:46 In order to run a group either in your church, 18:49 in your cell group with your husband and wife 18:52 as you're going through you crises in life 18:54 just go through with the two of you 18:56 but it's a way to have everything that you need 18:58 in order to get in to recovery 19:00 with the foundation of program of Steps to Christ, 19:03 that's just we're looking at some really 19:05 good Christian foundational stuff. 19:06 Yeah. Yeah. Is this stuff ready to go Cheri, yet? 19:10 Yes. Just ready to go. Very good. 19:12 Absolutely, just fine. Now how do we get? 19:13 For the first time. 19:15 Just go to truestep.org and order it. 19:17 I think that on 3ABN has it so you can call to here. 19:21 But it is a for the first time I always wanted 19:24 to have something that you can leave us somebody 19:26 that they can walk through recovery, 19:30 they can get it in the walk through recovery 19:32 and this is our program that will allow you to walk through 19:35 and whether you don't have to hide anymore, 19:37 you don't have to figure out what I want to do next 19:40 and also it has the health message all the way through it. 19:43 So as you're going to it what do you do 19:45 to start getting healthy, physically, mentally, 19:48 spiritually and definitely emotionally. 19:49 Praise God that you've evolved 19:51 and I use that term, well advisedly. 19:53 So but you evolved to include this health component 19:57 so that when-- as you getting clean 19:58 you're getting stronger you're getting healthier. 20:00 So necessarily. Yeah. 20:01 You won't hold on to your recovery unless you do. 20:03 And I fought it for long time but unless you get 20:06 the whole package done a program 20:08 you won't be able to hold on to. 20:10 You got to drink water and you got to rest 20:12 and you got to exercise and you got to look at 20:15 what you are feeding yourself and all that. 20:17 I'm looking to do the next roll and I love 20:19 because we're gonna start with Bob McKain. 20:20 Bob McKain, he was working for like one of the computer firms 20:25 and he had 135 employees, 20:27 now all this is a million dollar project 20:29 and they outsourced this whole department, right. 20:32 And so now he is in his 50s, he doesn't feel 20:36 that he can just go and get another gig 20:37 and so he's depressed about that 20:39 and outsourcing was a big deal and he goes to my church 20:43 and somebody said Bob needs a job. 20:45 And I'm thinking I needed an administrator 20:47 but I don't have any money to pay him. 20:50 So I pass them in the hall one right day 20:52 and I said, you know what, 20:53 I needed administrator I heard you needed a job. 20:56 And I don't have any money right now 20:57 but if you are good at what you do 20:59 you would make us some money so you can get paid. 21:02 And he comes to work for us C.A., 21:05 and I realize that he so locked down emotionally. 21:08 So I don't know what the issue is 21:10 so I gave him Miracle from the Street, 21:12 the book about my life and stuff 21:13 and I said I want you to read this. 21:15 And he's looking at the book like oh, sweetie 21:17 you know this is my first job, 21:19 my first you know assignment and he's gonna go read it 21:22 only because I'm kind of forcing the issue. 21:25 And as he reads it, he realizes that he's been stuck in angry 21:31 since a molest happened early in his life 21:33 and he's locked down and he says for the first time 21:36 is I realize that God can heal me 21:38 and He's crazy about me and I can get through this. 21:42 And he steps in to recovery for the first time ever. 21:45 So not only do we have an administrator now 21:47 but we have one that is actually in recovery 21:50 or working to recovery issues. 21:52 And we also talking with Alvy and Rene Quispe 21:56 incredible guy working at Andrews University 21:59 but at the same time cheating on his wife, beating her, 22:03 having an affair for ten years 22:04 right in to her face kind of affair 22:06 and God is telling her love him, this is his eternal life. 22:12 Do not walk away from this man. Yeah. 22:14 And she stays with him, I couldn't even believe it. 22:17 So enjoy this it's just an amazing, amazing season. 22:22 We learned to survive, okay. 22:24 How we learned to survive and based on things 22:26 that happened to us that clinches what we it changes 22:32 what we believe and really does change how we react, okay. 22:36 And how we respond to the things 22:38 and if we never find a better way to respond, 22:41 better way to deal with those things 22:43 and we continue going on the way we learn to cope 22:46 and those things that we learned 22:49 to cope with often really hurt our-- 22:52 the people closest to us because they are close to us. 22:55 And you know, and-- 22:59 I just have to say I hurt my son incredibly, 23:03 you know, because of the anger 23:05 and you know you don't have to beat somebody up, 23:08 you don't have to slam people up against the wall, 23:10 you don't have to be physically violent 23:13 to completely beat somebody to a pulp. 23:16 And the beauty of all of this. 23:22 We're administrator, right. 23:24 And he gets worst and some times I mean, 23:26 probably giving seminars with my husband. 23:29 And I have-- Having withstand you are looking beautiful. 23:30 Yes, because you shut up you don't say a word. 23:33 And I have a black eyes so they ask what's wrong with you? 23:38 What happened? Oh, I just ran into door. 23:43 And you just keep on smiling and keep on 23:45 and you don't give it anything you don't talk. 23:48 Where does the pastor's wife goes to talk about 23:53 what is happening with a pastor that is respected and adore 23:57 and he is going all over 23:59 and different parts of the world. 24:02 And what he said, many times if the wife opens the mouth 24:10 and says something says most likely you're the servant. 24:13 Of course, I blame it on her again but you know, 24:17 now I realize what is inside your heart 24:20 when you act like that, that is not God, 24:23 that is not the Holy Spirit, that's Satan's the spirit is, 24:26 is anger, frustration, the spirit of darkness. 24:29 So instead of coming up and just talking about this spill 24:33 its like coming up and really been angry at her. 24:36 Yeah, I actually I remain on the floor for long time 24:40 because I was so frustrated. 24:42 And those are the things that I look back now 24:45 and realize boy, it was bad, it was bad. 24:49 Of course our children 24:51 so that the rest of the people didn't anoint 24:53 and for our it was very, very hard 24:57 to deal with all that, it was very depressive. 25:02 Imagine who is she gonna talk to about this? 25:05 Is she talk to any conference president 25:07 that could actually go and talk to him and say listen, 25:09 I got a PhD in psychology 25:11 I can explain you what's going on. 25:14 Cheri, you know, quickly on this Quispe's story 25:16 you've got two parallel lines of thought. 25:19 One, you've got the exposing of abuse and adultery, 25:25 the second equally compelling 25:27 is sticking out with a guy like that. 25:29 You know, that's a whole different talk show 25:32 that she felt the call of God on her life 25:35 to hang in there with that until she got what she wanted. 25:39 You know to me what God mean the most in her story 25:42 is one night he comes home he's been sleeping 25:44 with this woman all night. 25:46 Comes home sit down, puts the remote on 25:48 and says get me something to eat. 25:50 Yells at her from the room. 25:51 She's already in bed its 12.30 at night. Yeah. 25:54 And she wants to yell back at Him. 25:56 Oh, God this stuff but instead God says you know what 25:59 get up run a comb through your hair look nice 26:03 and go get him something to eat. 26:05 And she just says the battle with the enemy 26:08 is the battle to do that or just 26:10 to say you've no right to come into my house 26:12 and talk to me like that and all that stuff. 26:14 And she decides to get him up-- 26:16 get up and get him something to eat 26:18 and he still yelling and not saying thank you or whatever 26:21 and said ten years she did this, ten years. 26:24 And when I heard her story C.A., 26:26 it's just told me is that we're in our recovery 26:29 not fighting just for ourselves, 26:31 we're fighting for the people that we love, 26:33 we're fighting for generations of maybe 26:35 even happen before us that really got slam. 26:38 And we all walking around wounded 26:40 and am I willing as a man or woman of God 26:43 to say it's beyond just my rights. 26:46 Yeah, yeah. This is bigger than that. 26:47 That's what's so important. 26:48 That's the back story of the subtext 26:50 and its just as important 26:52 because it is about you but its not all about you. 26:56 You know, there are layers to this thing. 26:58 The person that is your correspondent in life, 27:01 your children, maybe your parents, generations down. 27:04 So your actions affect you, 27:06 they affect the persons that's affecting you, 27:08 they affect the person that they affect, they affect-- 27:09 you know it just goes on and on and on and on 27:11 and so many times think it, its stops and ends 27:13 or ends and stops with me but it does not 27:16 and that's what these kind of things show. 27:18 When I was reading a book called Towards the Death 27:21 and in Towards the Death it says, 27:22 you know to heal and to get your life back 27:25 because you need to go out side and put your foot in-- 27:27 feet in the grass and do the exercise 27:30 and do all that kind of stuff but also in your background, 27:32 if you had a really abusive background, 27:34 go back and find one good thing. 27:37 You know, so start to go find those gems that actually worked 27:40 and I thought I can't do well, there's no good things. 27:43 And when I started seeing them 27:45 that I just changed with everyone, 27:47 everyone it was like all the sudden 27:49 my sisters and brothers looked different, 27:51 all the sudden my grandparents looked different. 27:53 Not that they still don't have the damage. 27:55 My grandmother died-- said yelling from the living room 27:58 while I was in the kitchen, I never did like that child. 28:00 You know what I mean? Yeah. 28:02 So she never liked me before she died 28:04 but I also got to see her stuff. 28:05 And so there is so much healing when you look at that, 28:09 that because I am not responding in the same way 28:12 hopefully in my family it looks different. 28:14 Yes, you can break the cycle sure. 28:17 The cycles are broken. Sure, sure, yeah. 28:18 You turned me onto that book Towards the Death 28:19 and really great-- 28:21 It's a great book, amazing, amazing book. 28:23 You know, let's go ahead and take a break 28:25 and then come back in because I want to ask you 28:26 a couple of things about the next guest. 28:29 We'll be right back, stay with us. |
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