Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), Ken Blundell, Sherry Blundell
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR000054A
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00:10 Welcome to Celebrating Life in Recovery!
00:12 I'm Cheri Your host. 00:13 Sometimes in our recovery we start focusing so much on 00:16 ourselves that we forget there are people all around us that 00:20 need our support and today we are going to cover some of that. 00:22 So come in and join as you'll be blessed. 00:52 Welcome back! 00:53 You know it's funny because I meet a ton of people when 00:57 we travel all over the world not just in this country. 01:00 Every time I meet somebody in Ministry, somebody that is 01:04 doing Pastoral work, or something that is blessing other 01:08 folks when everything gets quiet and we are just sitting 01:10 and hanging out and hear their stories. 01:12 I think, oh man, we should tell that! 01:15 So this program we are going to tell that. 01:18 We are owing to look at one person's journey with 01:21 Christ and how God stood them up from all this junk 01:25 and now they are blessing and setting other people up. 01:28 I'm just blessed by the stories. 01:31 So going to introduce you to my friend Pastor Ken and 01:33 Sherry, want to say first of all thank you for 01:36 being on the program. 01:37 Cheri thank you for letting us come, I know it's a 01:40 privilege, my wife didn't realize she was going to part 01:42 of this thing so, but I know she will do well. 01:45 As being a Pastor I look back at the beginning 01:49 of my life in think wow how did end up here from 01:52 where I use to be? - Exactly! 01:54 My mother when I was little divorced my father just 01:58 within a couple weeks after I was born. 02:00 I had an older brother 2 years older 02:02 than me and I guess that he just didn't want the 02:05 responsibility of us. 02:07 As I was growing up, not long after that my mother 02:11 became a Christian. 02:12 Someone came knocking on the door of the house 02:15 selling books and she started doing Bible studies. 02:19 As a result of those Bible studies she fell in love 02:22 with God and wanted me to have a Christian education. 02:26 And as I was growing up she made a point, 02:29 a single mom most of the time, she had a couple 02:33 of the marriages, I say that, but most of the time, 02:35 she was single and worked hard. 02:37 And she wanted me to have an opportunity to learn about 02:41 the Lord and go to school. 02:42 So she worked hard in that aspect of things and I know 02:46 the Bible says, to train up a child in the way he 02:48 should go, or she should go, and when that child gets 02:51 older they will go back to their roots. 02:53 I look at myself, my older brother started to get 02:58 in trouble and get messed up, and I always 03:01 looked up to him. 03:02 And I think my testimony is really big on forgiveness, 03:05 on prayer, and on influences, because my brother. 03:08 Well you know we all have influences, 03:10 whether it's a big sister or big brother or a friend that 03:12 just makes a big impact and we want to be like them. 03:15 My brother always seemed to start getting into trouble. 03:19 I remember, I was told by one of my aunt's that 03:22 I had met my father once, because I never had 03:24 any kind of relationship... 03:25 - how old were you? 03:27 How old was I when I met him the first time? 03:29 I don't remember the story and that is odd how in recovery 03:32 we forget a lot of things. 03:34 But my aunt told me that, I believe I was 6 years 03:40 old at the time that at a funeral I was told 03:43 there is your dad. 03:44 And I walked over to the car to talk to him and he 03:47 rolled up the window and turned his face from me, 03:49 he wouldn't talk to me. 03:50 I think I must've blocked that out. 03:52 There's things in our life and our past, I really 03:56 can't say that I grew up in an abusive home. 03:59 - but I can't even imagine that as a little boy saying 04:02 you know what, knowing full well that you don't want me. 04:08 That kind of turning away from you and rolling up the 04:10 window the pain that that must have caused you as a 04:14 little boy even though you don't remember it, 04:16 I bet was significant. 04:17 You know I met my father later, I think my son 04:21 was 8 and I was 30-something then, or about 30. 04:27 We never became close, he was a nice guy, nice to know 04:34 and visit but we never had a father - son relationship. 04:38 We had our grandparents and they were big in my life. 04:42 But my brother, I have to get back to him, he was the 04:46 big influence and I watched him and he got in trouble. 04:49 I remember in the church school that we went to, they 04:51 couldn't handle him so they sent him to a dude ranch. 04:54 He was gone all most 2 years I think to that and it 05:00 really hurt me. 05:01 But when he came back, in his being gone he picked up 05:04 all these bad habits and things. 05:06 As he went the wrong direction, into the path of drugs 05:12 and everything - drinking and partying. 05:14 Yes, you know I grew up in a very conservative home and 05:19 everything in this my church life was you can't do this, 05:22 you can't eat this, you can't do this, listen to this, 05:26 and it was a rebellion thing. 05:27 He rebelled and as a result of that I rebelled. 05:30 In his getting into trouble he got hit really heavy into 05:36 Meth, not so much Meth back then, it was more the form 05:41 of a pharmaceutical drug. 05:42 It was a drug called, the Disoxin that was 05:45 easily burglarized in the drugstores and 05:48 he got into doing that. 05:50 - that's so funny because a normal person, it is easy to 05:53 get it, he just had to break in and steal. 05:55 And you said it was so easy because that's how we do it. 06:00 Whenever I hear somebody say it like that I just, it 06:06 just cracks me up we don't even realize how abnormal it 06:09 is, yea just break into the store. 06:12 My brother had left Utah where I grew up and I was 06:17 already rebellion from my mom and went to the 8th grade. 06:21 I have been sent away to some schools, a boarding school 06:26 and I would run away from those. 06:27 I ended up run away, I was 15 years old, and I ran 06:32 away from home and I was going to head to San Francisco 06:35 this was in the late 60's early 70 time. 06:38 My brother had been there back in Haight Ashbury and 06:43 Woodstock days, and the flower child days. 06:44 It ended up me and a friend of mine were hitchhiking. 06:47 We got to Ely Nevada, if you've never been to Ely 06:52 it's a crossroad that is out in the middle of nowhere. 06:53 We were hitchhiking trying to get a ride and it got 06:58 to the point we said I don't care where we go, 07:00 if they're going towards Vegas will go that way, 07:02 if they are going the other way, we'll go that way because 07:04 we just wanted to go somewhere. 07:05 I ended up, me and my friend, we went on a ride 07:10 through Vegas and ended up Hollywood California. 07:13 Here I am 15, and at that time was one of the cesspools 07:17 of the country, even then. 07:19 All the strip clubs and everything around. 07:22 I remember meeting some street preachers there, 07:25 I say this in my testimony early on, because God protects us. 07:30 I had a mother praying for me, 07:32 I had a church praying for me. 07:33 He was called up Tony and Susan Alamo Christian 07:37 Foundation, they were on Crescent Heights Blvd, 07:40 right off of Hollywood Boulevard in Hollywood. 07:42 I no sooner got there and they were preaching this 07:46 hellfire, and everything that was going to happen, 07:48 and scared people into heaven, and they got me 07:49 into their church. 07:50 In fact this Bible I have right here today, 07:54 they purchased for me, somehow they had got all my 07:56 money in the offerings and I ended up with this Bible. 07:59 I was kind of brainwashed, and I was out preaching to 08:04 people you're going to go to hellfire 08:05 if you don't get the Lord. 08:07 I believe that someday that may happen, 08:10 but I don't believe that happens when people die now, 08:14 that you go to hell. 08:15 In that time God protected me there, 08:19 a very Pentecostal place. 08:20 I left, and made a phone call back to Utah to my mom, 08:26 and that was a mistake. 08:27 The next thing I knew police was everywhere, 08:29 they raided this place and took me back to Utah. 08:33 I had to go in the youth home for while and I was 08:37 preaching about Jesus and hellfire and everything to 08:41 people, but it didn't take long for that to go away. 08:43 It was after this and I got really serious 08:46 into the drug thing. 08:47 We talk about smoking marijuana and things 08:51 are really the entry level into drugs. 08:55 I got right into burglarizing the drugstores. 09:01 My brother talked me into going into this drugstore 09:06 and hiding in the basement. 09:07 He opened the door and I went downstairs and hid in the 09:10 basement and waited for the pharmacists to leave, 09:14 and then break out after a steal everything I needed. 09:17 Well as I was hiding down there I found my escape route. 09:20 I looked around and saw these bar door, and took 09:23 the bars off, look and go in there and there is these 09:25 gates on the sidewalk. 09:27 It was like the perfect crime. 09:30 I went in there and got the drugs after he had left and 09:35 just came out the escape through the doors on the 09:38 sidewalk and I was gone. 09:40 But in those days this Disoxin stuff, this pure 09:44 methamphetamine hydrochloride, it was pharmaceutical. 09:49 We would soak that stuff down until was a yellow syrup 09:52 and take it in a needle and shoot it in your arm and the 09:56 rush would like hammer you against the wall. 09:59 2 weeks later I was tweaking out on this, I was gone. 10:03 We had done the drugs and so this time going to break 10:07 into the drug store again. 10:08 Well I'll tell you that Meth does something to you. 10:13 It makes you feel like nothing can hurt you, 10:16 I mean that you can do anything. 10:18 I look at it in my testimony as the Antichrist. 10:23 And I say Antichrist is anything the word anti means anything 10:27 you put in the place of Christ. 10:29 It was a power that nothing can hurt me. 10:34 So I came in there and instead of sneaking in, 10:38 now you are so far gone that I had my cowboy boots 10:41 and jacket and I just kicked in a plate glass window 10:44 and go through it. 10:45 And you're going like this looking for everything. 10:48 Because you are gone, if you know anything about Meth 10:50 you have been up you've then and awake. 10:52 At first it may intensify your feelings and your 10:56 thoughts, that you could even think better, 10:58 but it just drains you, it just destroys your body. 11:01 I came out of there and I remember they were waiting. 11:05 I think because, there's kind of a way things happen 11:10 once something gets broken into. 11:12 They know it's going to get broken into again, 11:14 because we know where the drugs are. 11:16 I broke in 2 weeks later. 11:18 I broke in and came out and the K-9 dogs 11:22 chasing me down and they catch me. 11:24 So this is my first felony. 11:26 So let's move things on, they put me in a State Mental 11:31 Hospital for a 90 day observation. 11:32 I liked it there, it wasn't a bad, there was 11:37 a lot worse places I could be. 11:38 In that period they said, by the way, in the recovery 11:45 there, they want to give you drugs. 11:46 Thorazine and all this stuff was available. 11:50 I was to the point just the shooting up was an addiction. 11:53 One of my best friends Adam Gardner, I remember him 11:57 shooting up and he abscessed and he is whole arm. 12:00 I mean it just went like that, it was like 12:02 a mind blowing thing. 12:03 You didn't care whether the needle was clean... 12:07 - we have to talk about the addiction. 12:10 What is real interesting, what you said was 2 things, 12:12 just shooting up is the addiction. 12:14 Sometimes people don't realize when you talk about 12:17 addictions is the whole process, is the power of it. 12:20 It's a setting up, like for a gambler, 12:25 it's not just the gambling. 12:26 It's walking in and be the big shot and all that 12:29 stuff so it really is everything around the addiction. 12:32 It becomes that you are strung out on all of it. 12:35 Not just the needle. 12:38 I had a friend that shot up, try to shoot up peanut butter. 12:41 I have crushed up Thorazine and shot it. 12:44 PCP and I looked today, and the mind that I have, 12:48 even though I'm bad at remembering names, 12:50 I just thank God that He saved something up here, 12:54 because I shouldn't be alive. 12:56 I did that, time in the State Mental Hospital and 13:00 long after that, a druggie is still a druggie. 13:02 If we don't have something, once you been addicted to 13:08 something you are looking for something to replace it. 13:10 There is a high about it, in the drugs that is 13:14 enjoyable, but there is a greater high. 13:17 Somewhere along the line I needed to find 13:20 that in Jesus Christ. 13:21 I remember the same thing happened again Cheri, 13:24 I did a drugstore in Mt. Pleasant, Utah. 13:28 My brother was involved in that one again too. 13:32 - I got to jump in, because you said something that I 13:34 really feel like I want to just jump in and correct. 13:36 Not correct your testimony not correct your story but 13:39 when somebody says there is a part of the addiction that 13:44 is enjoyable, I just want to take that back. 13:46 An addict can be enjoying something when they are taking 13:49 their last breath and they don't even know that they 13:52 have trashed their body to the point that their teeth 13:54 are rotting out. 13:55 They are taking their last breath, they are psychotic, 13:57 they are doing things like kicking in windows at a 14:01 pharmaceutical company and going in. 14:03 In their mind their thinking everything is fun, 14:06 everything is normal. 14:07 So even though you're talking about your brain chemistry 14:10 is pumping out dopamine and serotonins to where you feel 14:13 euphoric, don't think that this is a normal enjoyment. 14:19 This is not like what you feel when you're running with 14:21 your family at the beach. 14:22 This is the not what you feel when you are learning to ski 14:25 for the first time, or when you're laughing out 14:27 loud with friends. 14:29 So the enjoyment for an addict is that you have 14:31 artificially kicked everything up to where everything 14:34 feels fine even though your kidneys are shutting down. 14:37 The reason I want to say it is because I don't want 14:39 somebody out there to think I got to find some drugs, 14:42 because I want to have some fun, is I promise you that 14:46 it may be fun for a bit, but it will take your life. 14:49 I've seen so many people were they are at their last 14:53 breath and still saying aren't we having a good time. 14:55 I'm thinking I just buried my father, laid in bed with 14:59 him at 85 pounds and they just tell him he can have as 15:02 much morphine as he wants. 15:04 He's like Yahoo how fun is that! 15:06 I just wanted to weep for him. 15:08 He had no idea he was dying, he just knows he can get 15:10 high some more. 15:11 I'm sorry but I have to say that because most 15:15 people don't realize it is such a lie, 15:18 that we deceive ourselves. 15:20 I think as you say that it's the biggest deception that 15:23 I see today. 15:24 The Meth thing is such a powerful, and I know you look 15:30 at the cocaine and everything else, but the high of 15:32 methamphetamine is such a long high. 15:34 It's such an intense high. 15:35 It is the devil trying to deceive us into thinking that 15:40 it is something good for us. 15:42 - as my teeth fall out of my face, 15:45 I think I'm having fun. 15:46 - you know right now as we talk, you talk about the 15:50 teeth thing, in mine I've got a partial here, and I was 15:53 just talking to Sherry that I think I'll have them pulled out. 15:55 Every time I get something fixed the other one rots out. 15:59 I think that might happen anyway because 16:02 of a long abuse. 16:04 I did that in another drugstore in 2 weeks and the same 16:07 thing got away the first time and here I am 16:09 busted again and I can remember the police when they 16:11 pulled us over. 16:12 It was snowing and everything, they came from both ways 16:15 on us, we was on our way down a country road. 16:17 They had this set up to roadblock us, but they asked me 16:21 the question have you ever been arrested before and 16:23 it's like what do you say? 16:24 Yeah course I have, well what for? 16:26 Well for burglarizing drugstore's you know. 16:29 And the pattern we go with this time they sent me to 16:32 State Industrial School and I ran away from there even. 16:36 - you are still underage at this point? 16:38 I'm underage throughout all of this, this is happen from 16:41 when I was 15 until I'm 17. 16:45 I was in State Industrial School there, I got released 16:49 and it was just a matter of another month or 2 and 16:52 I was back again. 16:53 I been arrested burglarizing a drugstore in Salt Lake City. 16:56 In fact, I look at that and can still remember what the 17:00 police officer said, the one in the store that got me. 17:03 He said, I had you in the sights of my gun and was 17:06 ready to pull the trigger, and I look today and maybe not then 17:09 but today the trigger might have been pulled. 17:11 We are in a whole different world today. 17:14 When I was in the drug scene I had to look for it Cheri, 17:17 I was a small group of people back in the early 70's. 17:22 The drugs weren't down in the elementary schools, 17:25 and we all knew who we were. 17:27 It messed me up so bad, but God was always with me. 17:35 I remember that second time at the State Industrial 17:37 School - I have to ask you so when you broke into the 17:40 drugstore where was God? 17:42 When you said that God was always with you, 17:45 I just thought wait a minute. 17:46 - He's protecting me, I mean the prayers, we talked 17:50 about this prayer thing. 17:52 I know that I have a mother praying for me, 17:55 and I have a church praying for me. 17:56 - and God is continuously trying to turn you around. 17:59 All the time, I had people back when I was rebelling 18:04 and going away to school, that would have paid my education 18:08 all through the University because they believed in me. 18:11 I've always had people believing in me, my problem is 18:14 when I go to do something I do with all my heart. 18:18 If I'm going to get into trouble, in my work, 18:22 I'm going to be the best that I can be. 18:24 In ministry that is some of our challenges with me, 18:28 and my wife says you got to slow down. 18:30 But I have always been on this thing to go, go, go, 18:33 and do it, so when I got in trouble I did it really good. 18:38 Here I am in industrial school and 1 of 2 people in 18:42 Utah, that goes to regular school off campus. 18:45 I don't know why that worked out for me, but there was 18:48 me and 1 other. 18:49 And you have several hundred kids there. 18:50 I was going to stay there, I was going to turn 18 18:53 during the summer and they were going to let me out. 18:56 I was going to come back and go to school in Ogdan Utah, 19:01 at the high school, and play football. 19:03 But it is interesting, God still had a different plan 19:07 in my life and that was that when I went home that 19:10 summer a Dr, it was Dr. Charles Smith, in Utah. 19:14 He invited me to go along with him to Long Beach, 19:17 it was called Institutes in Basic Youth Conflict Seminar. 19:21 Bill Gothard was his name. 19:22 I mean Long Beach Arena was just filled with people 19:26 who listen to this guy talk about God and how the 19:29 Bible would change your life, and how Christ 19:30 will change your life. 19:31 I went to that and I had a conversion experience, 19:35 were invited Christ into my life. 19:37 As a result of that, here I came from a reform school, 19:42 here I am 2 years a 3- time felon, breaking in 19:46 and stealing dope, shooting it up in my arm and 19:49 I make a choice to go to Castle Valley, which is the 19:55 very ultra conservative Seventh-day Adventist 19:58 school up in the mountains of Moab, Utah. 20:01 It's like wow, what in the world happened, what's on my mind? 20:05 I went there and if I saw you there, I would have to 20:08 call you sister Cheri, you know what I mean, 20:10 that was the vocabulary. 20:11 You couldn't talk to the girls, and it was 20:14 a very, very strict school. 20:16 It was one of the best things that happened to me going there. 20:19 - because we need those boundaries. 20:22 We haven't had any boundaries, we haven't had anyone 20:24 keep us accountable and so God just said to you 20:26 I'm sure as this boy, you have got to have somebody 20:29 to teach you and keep you in line right now. 20:33 I stuck out the year, it was hard. 20:37 - boy I would like to interview some of those teachers. 20:41 You think it was hard for you. 20:44 Well here I am and after that I graduate, 20:48 that was my senior year. 20:49 So I come from being a drug addict juvenile delinquent 20:54 and felon, to Castle Valley. 20:56 It's a Daystar academy now. 20:58 - were you in the choir? 21:00 Yeah I was - I knew it - Dave Siebert was the 21:03 choir director there back then. 21:06 And it was just some experience. 21:08 When I left there, in my graduation I wanted to be a 21:12 minister and I don't want to take this lightly in 21:14 my testimony because I had a desire back then at 21:19 18 years old to give my life in service 21:22 to the Lord and helping other people. 21:24 But my life just seemed like a roller coaster 21:28 and up-and-down thing. 21:29 Here I would have Jesus close in my life and 21:34 that I would get away from it. 21:36 When I was there a Castle Valley I got a hold of 21:38 some tapes of a man named Morris Venden. 21:40 As I listened to him talk about Jesus, 21:43 and talk about how Jesus can change your life, 21:47 and how it is not hard to be a Christian, 21:49 how it is something He wants us to spend time with Him. 21:54 - do you remember some of the things that he said, 21:57 when he said it wasn't hard to be a Christian and 22:00 made it so cool for you, easy for you, do you remember 22:04 anything that was on those tapes? 22:06 Morris Venden said something, he would talk about trees. 22:10 I know the Bible talks about people is like trees. 22:14 He asked a question, what is the main purpose 22:19 of an apple tree? 22:20 Most people say well the main purpose of 22:23 an apple tree is to bear fruit. 22:26 He say, well now that is a good answer, 22:32 but the real main purpose of an apple tree is to 22:34 reproduce apple trees. 22:35 And when I would hear things like that, the job 22:39 of a Christian when you come to Christ it's not 22:44 to just be perfect. 22:45 I mean some people think I have to be so good, 22:48 but I have to quit doing this, I got to quit 22:50 to quit doing that. 22:51 You know the whole thing with Christianity is to grow. 22:56 And that is a personal level with you and me too, 22:59 we grow to know Jesus better. 23:01 - to me I call it recovery, which is a lot of 23:04 people to step into recovery and have a life. 23:08 To walk away for all that stuff. 23:10 Sometimes I just put it in recovery language, 23:14 just because that is the kind of people I run with, 23:18 but the purpose is to recover and teach somebody 23:21 else how to recover. 23:22 Right, he would say other things. 23:26 The time that you spend in your Bible and that 23:29 you spend to get to know Jesus as your best friend. 23:32 He made, the big thing about Morris Venden is, 23:35 he made Jesus to be real. 23:37 If Jesus isn't real then I don't want nothing to 23:41 do with it, and don't take that wrong is what I say. 23:45 I need something real, I need something 23:47 I can grasp onto. 23:48 I need something that can change my life, 23:50 because I am a mess. 23:52 So here I leave Castle Valley going back with the 23:56 desire to be a minister and I'm good at selling 23:59 stuff by the way. 24:00 I'm just good talker I guess in convincing you 24:06 of something maybe... 24:07 - your wife is like, he so is. 24:09 So you are totally agree with him on this one? 24:11 They offered me a job to go out, because of my past to 24:16 go out and sell books, War against Drugs books. 24:21 - can I ask you, had you and Sherry met yet? 24:23 - no, we haven't! 24:24 So we are going to hear your whole story too? 24:27 And so I say yeah, that's sounds good because you know 24:32 I have had a problem, and one of the other things 24:34 to I have really been away at Castle Valley and there's 24:38 no drugs at Castle Valley. 24:39 Here I get out of that atmosphere, and one of the fears 24:43 too is if I am not strong in Christ, if I'm not spending 24:47 time with Him. 24:48 I guess as I say that I don't want to be a cliché, 24:50 but if this book doesn't mean something to me, 24:54 and He's not real to me, I'm going to fall. 24:56 So I get back out of this element of a very conservative 25:02 school and they are going to put me selling these War 25:05 against Drugs books. 25:07 Well you know what happened, where the money was going 25:10 to go, they said would go to place that it wasn't going. 25:14 So I decided I would get the books and sell them myself. 25:18 Here I am on going out selling these War on Drugs books, 25:23 trying to help people, and I'm taking the money and 25:25 buying drugs - so you have relapsed now? 25:28 I relapsed and as I look at this in my whole life the 25:34 biggest and most important thing as a Pastor is the 25:38 importance of having a close relationship with Jesus. 25:42 When I say that, in a close relationship, is spending 25:46 time with Him. 25:47 It's like if I don't have a relationship with my wife, 25:50 if I don't spend time with her, and she gets on me 25:52 sometimes because I neglect that. 25:55 In my work I get caught up as a Pastor and she said 25:59 where's my time, where is my time? 26:00 And God is saying that, He is saying that to me though too. 26:05 Where's my time in a personal time, not with all the 26:10 other people that I worked with in the Ministry, but the 26:13 time that we really spend together so that 26:15 I can talk to you. 26:16 I know we have talked in this about talking with God, 26:19 and understand, having that hooking back and forth 26:22 for it to really mean something. 26:24 I look at my past and see all the drugs and that and 26:29 I relapsed back, I relapsed back. 26:32 - for people who do not know about relapsed, this is 26:34 for the café people and for the folks listening, 26:37 is that a typical person in recovery from anything. 26:41 From spending, from lying, from drugs, from alcohol, 26:45 from sexual addiction, from what ever is that the 26:49 average relapses about 7 times before we are done. 26:53 I don't know why that is, 26:54 but most studies will show that. 26:55 So to me God is real faithful and patient with us, 26:59 which I think is amazing. 27:00 But I just wanted to say that for people to be 27:03 patient with each other. 27:04 I don't know, I hope the people in your life were coming 27:08 alongside of you and helping you through that relapse. 27:10 You know sometimes they were and sometimes they weren't. 27:15 You know, big disappointment! 27:16 - because they don't expect it and that is why I want to say 27:20 out loud, because I think we expect someone to get it 27:24 and never have a struggle with it again. 27:25 And I think God wishes that for us. 27:28 God desires that for us, but we are idiots. 27:35 No, we are not real bright in that, that we will keep 27:38 going back, the Bible says, like a dog goes 27:40 back to its vomit. 27:41 To have somebody that literally comes alongside of us 27:46 and says let me pull you back up again. 27:49 Let me show you how you got on the slippery slope. 27:52 Let me show you that you weren't taking care of 27:54 yourself, that you weren't in the word, that you weren't 27:56 eating right, you were staying up all night again and 27:58 all those things. 27:59 So to have somebody alongside of you that says, 28:02 you said sometimes that happens and sometimes it didn't. 28:05 But you're relapsed did not surprise God. 28:08 When I think of the relapsed, and as you saying 7 times, 28:13 for me I think it took way more than that. 28:16 As I look at it I can see, but each time it happened 28:21 and when I would get back with my sight on Christ, 28:25 I would see were I messed up in the past and as 28:31 I looked at that and I saw over and over and over again, 28:34 even though I was messing up I'm learning something. 28:37 By the way this is only the first part. 28:40 I got away somewhat from the drugs as far as the Meth 28:45 using it all the time where was just really tearing me 28:48 up, after this time I got busted burglarizing the 28:51 drugstore, not a drugstore, a leather store. 28:54 You see in that instance I was already 18 and so here I 28:58 get sentenced 1 to 10, suspended and that was the best word 29:02 I ever heard my life. 29:03 My brother had already been to prison and would be going 29:08 back to prison again, but nobody likes being locked up. 29:12 I hear this word and as a result of that we do this 29:18 geographic change we talked about. 29:20 I'm going to get away from Utah to California and that 29:23 moves us forward to were I met Sherry. 29:26 - okay lets have a break and come back and find out how 29:28 you guys met! 29:30 How God ends up moving you into a Ministry, 29:33 what does that look like, and you had to know his 29:39 background before you married him, right? 29:41 - not all of it - you didn't, 29:43 you have to stay with us. 29:44 So were going to go ahead and take a break. 29:46 We are going to find out how God steps 29:47 into all this stuff. 29:48 How does He work with the relapses. 29:51 How does He get us to trust Him to the point where 29:53 we say we are done. 29:55 I am done, I'm done stumbling around. 29:56 I'm done going back to jail. 29:58 I'm done being hooked and twisted with this addiction. 30:00 I actually want freedom. 30:02 We will be right back to talk about that. 30:04 So stay with us! |
Revised 2014-12-17