Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), Kerry Laframboise
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR000050B
00:13 Welcome back!
00:14 We were talking before the break about you going
00:18 into another gig, another part of the police
00:19 department, still with the police.
00:21 I want you to talk a little bit about that.
00:23 You know where I am impressed with you,
00:26 or with God actually, is who you are as a man
00:29 of God and what you're values are in that,
00:31 why you bring that to your job.
00:33 I want to talk a little bit about that
00:35 and introduce us to Max.
00:36 I got the opportunity about 4 years ago to move
00:40 from probation parole and from the Department of Corrections
00:42 over to the Post Academy, Peace Officers Standards
00:45 and Training Academy.
00:46 That is where all law enforcement in Idaho was
00:49 trained up until 4 years ago.
00:51 And I wanted to say shut up, okay because you know
00:55 where we started at on the last segment where you said,
00:57 I didn't even want the job.
00:59 Somebody tricked me into doing this and now you are
01:02 training people for this gig.
01:05 That's right, that's right and I got to help build
01:07 the bridge for training the Department of Corrections,
01:09 because they were doing their own training.
01:10 Now their training is done over at Post and
01:13 I get to be a part of that.
01:14 So what is your job exactly, what are you doing?
01:17 I head up all the academies, my partner and I,
01:20 for the Department of Corrections.
01:21 We do 8 academies a year, 6 of them are Correction
01:23 Officers Academy and 2 of them are Probation
01:25 Parole Officer Academies.
01:27 We give them basic fundamental training on how to
01:29 be an officer, and we cover everything from ethics,
01:32 professionalism, to how to shoot a handgun,
01:34 arrest techniques and everything.
01:36 We were with a friend of mine in another country,
01:40 you and I, and he called somebody a scumbag,
01:43 do you remember that?
01:45 Not just because it was like you know there are
01:49 always Meth addict's, and hurting people and they
01:52 just do the craziest things, and we have to come in
01:54 and try to clean up their mess.
01:55 and I just feel like their scum, and I watched your
02:00 reaction to that, just wanting to bless him, maybe what?
02:05 Maybe understanding God birthed in me there back when I was
02:10 17, and God said to have a purpose, because I thought
02:13 I was an accident, I thought my life had no purpose.
02:16 If God can change me the way that He did and turn me
02:21 into a good husband and a good father, which He did,
02:24 then God can change anyone.
02:26 Even those people that I used to call, scumbags.
02:29 I used to say there was no hope for that person.
02:31 Yet God's Word says there's hope for everybody,
02:34 there's hope for anybody and so when I hear things
02:37 like that there is a part of me that says that
02:38 if you could just understand it, and I know you do but
02:41 maybe you need to understand a little bit more here.
02:43 God can change the most wicked and the most vile
02:46 and the most hardhearted, God can turn them into
02:49 men and women of God.
02:51 That is the hope of the gospel.
02:52 I saw that so in-your-face when you said that.
02:55 Then I said, and it cracks me up because I said,
02:59 you know when someone talks about the addict as
03:02 being scum, the addict is being like I can't believe
03:07 of working with this person what has their 100th DUI,
03:10 and they have had 7 wives, and they've molested
03:13 their kids and all that kind of stuff.
03:15 That person I can tolerate.
03:16 When I come into the church and there is a religious
03:19 addict, somebody that's critical, or somebody that has
03:22 not allowing the addict to come and sit down.
03:25 Somebody that reads that God said the greatest of
03:29 these commandments is to love God and love one another,
03:31 and they can even love the person coming in, I never
03:33 have called them scumbags, do you know what I mean but
03:38 my heart says that's the person I can't tolerate.
03:40 You looked at me with so much love and said the same
03:43 thing almost, is can I tell you that anybody can change.
03:46 Yes, absolutely!
03:48 - they don't know both sides of it.
03:49 So being as a Christian I saw you as a man of God,
03:53 your heart says, and I know you're teaching
03:55 that in your new gig.
03:56 You are teaching that officers to have that open
03:58 heart with the people they work on, but I know that
04:02 in your heart as a Christian, Man, you're trying to
04:05 tell the church the same thing it seems like.
04:07 Because we all have that tendency to put people in
04:11 categories, people I want to spend time with, people I
04:14 don't want to spend time with, people that can change,
04:17 I think they can change I see hope there so I can work
04:19 with them, this person I see no hope.
04:21 But we serve the God of hope, we serve the God of love
04:25 and He said, for God so loved the world, everyone,
04:29 that He gave His only begotten Son.
04:31 He loved everyone that much and I think it's an Isaiah,
04:35 do you think I take joy in the fact that people perish?
04:39 Know I don't, I want all men to be saved, everyone.
04:44 And all means all - I just delight in that.
04:47 That is where I found my purpose, because I didn't
04:49 think I could be saved.
04:50 I didn't think there is any hope for me and God
04:53 said there was, so my whole life has been an
04:55 investment in taking the hard cases.
04:58 My Pastor is always shaking his head and saying,
05:01 Kerry you always work with these kind of people,
05:03 because God can work with those people the more
05:06 hopeless they are the more fun they are.
05:08 When I was working probation parole I took on the
05:10 youthful offenders because they were all failing.
05:13 They are the kids that got remanded to the adult court
05:17 at 17, 18, 19-23 because the juvenile system can't do
05:21 anything with them anymore.
05:22 When I did a little better research on them, all of
05:25 them were going to prison, everyone of them.
05:27 none of them, they come to us on probation, which means
05:30 they haven't been to prison yet, if they make it on
05:31 probation they don't have to go to prison,
05:33 they were all going to prison.
05:34 So my boss said if you can do something with them,
05:37 build a caseload.
05:38 I built a caseload and Max Rivera, still on probation
05:42 on another caseload, actually came and helped me.
05:44 He talked to those kids, yes he was a speaker couple
05:47 of times, he talked to those kids from his perspective.
05:49 I brought in other people that had pasts where God
05:52 change them and they spoke to those kids and those
05:55 kids started finding out that the Bible had answers.
05:58 So a Thursday night I have the kids
06:00 teach their own class.
06:01 I said you can pick any topic you want and they all
06:03 start picking About the Bible, and about God, and
06:06 about life being changed by church and those things.
06:09 My boss to come in and watch these classes and say,
06:12 Kerry you went to so much trouble and I said why,
06:13 and they said teaching this.
06:15 I said no I am not, these offenders are teaching
06:18 each other, they pick the topics I just reviewed and
06:20 make sure that there's nothing inappropriate there.
06:22 And they are presenting the stuff, I'm just there
06:24 facilitating at the meetings, and they said you know
06:27 what I am talking about.
06:28 I said I really don't, do not like the results.
06:31 We took a caseload that was one 100 percent failing
06:33 and I had 50 percent success for 3 years in a row.
06:36 That's incredible - and Cheri that has never been done since
06:39 I left Idaho because that caseload they disbanded it,
06:41 because nobody had the heart to work with those kids,
06:44 because they were a bunch of orangutans.
06:46 They were wild and rebellious and crazy just like I was.
06:49 I had fun with those kids.
06:51 We took them to the Y, we had Consumer Credit Counseling
06:54 come in and talk to them, it was great.
06:55 I think a lot of people don't understand, it's even
06:59 for me when I came out of that background I had never
07:01 been camping, I had never had someone like you said I
07:05 took them to the Y and those kind of things where people
07:08 think they are ordinary things. A lot of these kids
07:10 they have never had anyone do that
07:13 for no reason, just to do that.
07:16 I'm just thinking that if we could as church, oh man!
07:19 And I know that as probation and parole, as people
07:23 step into their lives is huge, but I think as a body
07:25 of Christ it would be amazing.
07:27 It would be if we would just understand that
07:29 people want to be loved, they want to know that
07:34 they are being accepted.
07:35 Too many times in the church, and probably in some
07:38 other areas too, but church is what I know best.
07:39 In the church we bring them in and expect them to
07:43 reach a certain level of performance before we accept
07:46 them with open arms.
07:48 If they don't reach that level of performance, then we
07:50 have a tendency not to accept them or we forget about
07:53 them, or they just drop through the cracks.
07:55 Harry's he is not coming to church anymore and we
07:58 haven't seen him in 6 months.
07:59 I have to interrupt because I have to have you tell
08:01 a story that you told me that I think forever changed
08:03 my view on people coming in the church.
08:07 The story about the baby.
08:08 Oh wow! We're doing in my church what we call connection
08:12 classes, what we do with people new coming in.
08:14 My Pastor's wife was teaching the class and she wanted
08:18 to talk about how we treat the new converts the new
08:21 person coming in and how we ever wrong concept of that.
08:23 So she went to the nursery got a real-life baby,
08:26 she talked to the parents and said she wanted
08:27 to do this analogy, and they said okay.
08:28 So she brings this baby to class and is holding the baby
08:31 and patting him - 4 months right - 4 months old.
08:32 She said this is my new convert, this Cheri she
08:37 accepted Jesus 4 months ago, and she's 4 months old.
08:39 I've been dressing her, I've been feeding her,
08:41 been talking to her and spending time with her.
08:43 I've been holding her and walking her through
08:46 this 4 months now.
08:47 So for 4 months, Cheri should be able to stand on
08:50 her own two feet now.
08:52 So she takes this baby wrapped up in a blanket that is
08:54 4 months old and sets it over in the corner of the room.
08:57 Then comes back and continues teaching her class and
09:00 going through her points.
09:01 In all the parents of the room, especially
09:03 the mothers, and looking at the baby and pretty
09:05 soon the baby starts crying.
09:06 I don't know why she's acting like that,
09:08 we've gone through this a 100 times, she knows
09:11 where the food is at, she knows how to take care
09:13 of herself, why is she crying?
09:15 I've been working with her for 4 months.
09:16 And it dawned on all of us that's what we do,
09:20 we work with the person who is an addict coming
09:22 in for recovery or somebody coming off the streets
09:24 and we pour ourselves into them for 4 months and
09:27 say to them now stand up.
09:28 You should be walking and she went and picked the
09:31 baby up and started cuddling it again.
09:33 She said do you realize that the parents of this baby
09:36 are going to work with her for the next several years
09:39 before she is mature.
09:40 It's going to be years before she can feed herself,
09:42 it's going to be years before she didn't drink a water,
09:45 but she is still thirsty and she's is still hungry,
09:47 she still has needs.
09:48 I am slow, God, I came into my Christianity in 1979
09:54 and 21 years later God finally taught me what
09:59 it felt to trust someone.
10:00 21 years later, and I tried everything.
10:02 I thought it was drug abuse that I had a look at,
10:05 manipulation and lying and all these character stuff
10:08 and He said you never learned to be loved.
10:10 You never learn to trust and so I feel 21 years later,
10:14 I can start to stand on my own.
10:17 If you would have expected some kind of normal
10:20 behavior before then, not that I wasn't improving
10:22 and doing all these kind of stuff and saying the
10:25 right things, but it was like God was so gracious to
10:27 wait 21 years and most of us can't wait 4 months.
10:29 When you said that to me about the baby I wanted to
10:33 cry because I just do my own life and knew that I
10:37 couldn't have stood up for years.
10:39 I needed mentoring.
10:41 So to me if we could get that as a body
10:44 of Christ, oh man.
10:46 So now I want to talk about one of the men that you got
10:49 to mentor, so can you introduce us to Max and just talk
10:52 a little bit about some of the stuff that you want him
10:55 to share with us right now.
10:57 I want to introduce to you one of my best
10:59 friends, Max Rivera.
11:01 We started our relationship several years ago when he
11:04 came out of the maxim security prison on to my caseload
11:08 as one of the guys that I was supervising.
11:11 And that started journey in an adventure that
11:13 has not stopped since.
11:15 So welcome Max Rivera.
11:17 Well thank you Kerry, well it's been exciting as
11:22 you mentioned earlier about the Governor's Court
11:25 Counseling for families and children.
11:27 I think one of the things, or one of the reasons that
11:30 the Lord has strategically placed me in things like
11:33 that is that the government is really looking for
11:35 answers, because kids are doing what they're doing
11:37 and the programs they are using, or the jail time
11:40 that they are sentencing is just not working.
11:44 So they are trying to figure out what do we do
11:47 and wait a second here is Max and it worked.
11:51 What worked? Tell us about it.
11:52 So I feel that the Lord has built for me a platform
11:57 for me, it's Jesus because the motor of a car is
12:03 bad you don't change the tires.
12:04 You don't put in air freshener hoping it's going
12:08 to run better and what I have done, or what the
12:11 Lord has given me an opportunity to do, is to say
12:13 that it's the heart that is bad.
12:15 When you see a kid that is going to shoot somebody,
12:17 these violent acts or crazy things you can't just
12:21 explain it is the heart that is bad.
12:23 There is only one heart doctor and his name is Jesus,
12:27 so I get a chance to share that with the Governor's
12:31 Court and Counseling.
12:32 You have got mayors from different districts, you have
12:35 judges, you have all these elected officials that are
12:39 sitting at this board and little old me, but yet they
12:43 are saying can you please tell us what works?
12:45 The Lord opened doors for us to speak in front of our
12:49 Court criminal judge Commission, which is a bunch of elected
12:53 officials, people who actually make the laws.
12:57 I spoke for the attorney general - and is starting to pay
13:01 attention that this is a faith based issue and can
13:05 the faith community come and walk alongside us and help.
13:09 And what is really I think interesting when someone
13:12 says what difference can you make, right now people
13:15 are listening because nothing else is working.
13:18 Orange county, I have to say an Orange County they
13:21 are doing a program with some gang members.
13:23 I probably should have mentioned Orange County but
13:24 they are doing a program with gang members were they
13:27 have money coming to this program and they are paying
13:30 people 50 bucks just to a group so they can say that
13:33 people have showed up for a group.
13:36 I'm thinking they are just going out and getting high,
13:38 but I'm just thinking that is the condition of people
13:40 right now because we don't know what to do.
13:42 So the fact that God stands you up in your heart is
13:45 open enough to say I'll do whatever I can.
13:49 You know it neat to because you get
13:52 their ear when before you were a number that is just the way
13:58 they process you but just before you are just convict
14:01 and there's only a matter of time before
14:03 you will mess up again.
14:04 You'll be back in jail and that day will arrest you
14:05 so now I am at this place to where there is 12 years
14:08 of success, I'm working also with men.
14:13 There is a history there of doing the same
14:17 thing over and over.
14:18 I have spoke at mayors breakfast, it was neat
14:24 because in the paper after this mayors breakfast
14:27 one of the elected officials came and I shared that
14:30 analogy of where the heart, but what was bad when it
14:35 came in the paper he said I've always said we've
14:37 got go for the heart.
14:38 It was really cool.
14:40 But it was neat that God's messages are
14:43 becoming more clear.
14:46 Can you tell me who he is as a man of God?
14:50 Kerry, - Kerry yes!
14:51 To me he represents to stability and sound judgment
14:56 you can always go and know that he's not going
14:59 to pat you to make you feel better, he's going to
15:02 tell you what you need to hear.
15:03 Cheri: what the word of God says.
15:05 Max: What the word of God says, exactly and a very
15:08 faithful friend and I don't know how his wife allows
15:11 him to be involved in so many lives, but he is one of
15:14 the people that I know that just does that.
15:17 He's like a good Samaritan, there's no boundaries he
15:20 will see somebody broken and he will do what it takes
15:23 to make that person whole again.
15:27 He represents love, he re- presents the character of Christ
15:32 and the fruit of the spirit even though he asks me
15:35 questions sometimes that I don't really care for.
15:37 I know it's motivated out of love, sometimes not right
15:42 then, it takes me a second to realize this is Kerry,
15:45 this is your friend, your brother.
15:47 Kerry I know that there is other people that have
15:53 questions that they want to ask you.
15:56 Jordan you were wanting to ask Kerry some things.
15:59 Yeah I've got a question.
16:01 How did it make you feel in one of the dudes that
16:03 you follow around everywhere if they did some thing wrong?
16:05 When they would re-offend, how did that make you feel?
16:08 It is probably one of the hardest parts of the job
16:11 because our whole job description even outside of my
16:17 own personal conviction is to help people succeed.
16:19 So we actually pour a lot of time and effort into
16:23 helping them succeed and when they fail you go
16:26 through that struggle was there something
16:29 else I could have done?
16:30 Something else I could have said, could I have followed
16:32 them around a little bit more to help them out?
16:34 Ultimately in the correctional setting and in life we are,
16:39 we have free will, we can make our own decisions
16:43 despite the influences around us.
16:45 Those men and those women that I supervised made
16:48 decisions that caused them to re-offend and go back
16:51 into prison and start over.
16:54 You develop a mentality that is part of the process
16:57 they weren't quite done yet, so they have to go back for
17:00 more programming and a little more time away from the
17:04 people on the streets so they can figure out prison
17:07 is a bad thing, being on the streets is a good thing.
17:09 I need to change my behavior.
17:11 I need to change my decision-making process.
17:13 We hope that the next time they come out they'll
17:15 know a little bit more.
17:17 In the course of me working for the Department of
17:19 Corrections in probation parole for almost 10 years, about 9
17:22 plus years, I saw the same people come out 3 and 4 times.
17:26 Not quite get it and then go back and some of them
17:30 I saw them get it, it was like a little light bulb
17:33 came on and he figured it out and decided they didn't
17:36 want to do it anymore - it's just done!
17:37 What is really interesting, is because I work with at
17:40 risk folks, when somebody re-offend and they go back
17:44 to prison there is a lot of people that are just sad.
17:47 Like I can't believe that and I'm like Yahoo,
17:49 because I know they're safe, they are at least safe
17:52 and they are going to have somebody again that's
17:54 going to come alongside of them and start putting
17:57 some boundaries around them.
17:58 It is not always a bad thing, in fact it may be for
18:02 most of them their only chance of having a life.
18:05 Even the people will called me to say I'm in jail again.
18:09 I'm like oh good because I thought you were
18:11 out there running.
18:12 But it's hard not, like Jordan was saying, it's hard
18:16 not to take it personal, but I think that you really
18:19 do have to protect your heart in that way - you do.
18:21 I was talking to some other people, they were asking
18:24 me that same question that Jordan asked me,
18:26 I said it was like being a painter and doing
18:29 your best work on this house.
18:30 You paint 4 walls and you come to work the next
18:33 morning, and the paint came off of the 3 of the 4 walls.
18:36 Cheri: a storm comes through.
18:37 And that happens every day, that's what being a
18:41 probation officer is like, because you see a lot of
18:43 failure because people are steeped in that type of
18:45 decision making and you can plant a lot of seeds in
18:48 their lives, but they are not ready to change how
18:49 they make their decisions yet.
18:51 But it is the ones who do make it, the ones that
18:54 decide it is time to change.
18:56 You asked me a little bit ago about how, why I thought
18:59 Max and some of the other people decided to change.
19:01 I think one of the catalysts for that is working with
19:05 somebody that they can begin to trust.
19:07 Somebody that they can see actually cares,
19:10 pass the textbooks, pass the rules and regulations,
19:13 that really wants to see them change and
19:16 wants them to succeed.
19:17 That gives them permission to open up a little bit
19:21 and share things with you that possibly they have
19:23 never shared with anybody else before.
19:25 In that process what I've seen a lot of people do,
19:27 and I see Max do it too, they will share like a test
19:30 thing with you, just to see what you do with it.
19:33 It might not even be real, it may not be true but
19:35 they are going to share something that might be
19:37 attached to their heart to see how you handle it.
19:40 If that goes well than they'll share something a little
19:42 bigger and then a little bigger.
19:44 Somewhere in that process the floodgates open and
19:47 they dump everything on the table.
19:49 Here's my life, what are we going to do with it?
19:52 Exactly help me!
19:53 And that is when it starts getting fun because
19:55 they can begin to see that they can change.
19:57 You know we look at them sometimes, like we
20:00 talked about before, and say they can't change,
20:01 but what we don't understand is that life and
20:05 the devil tell them every day, you'll never change,
20:07 you can't get out of this.
20:08 Parents may have told them,
20:11 they've heard that their whole life.
20:12 So when somebody does come along and say,
20:15 God can change me, He can change anybody,
20:17 and you are part of that
20:18 anybodies, so God can change you,
20:19 so let's get to work on that change.
20:22 Can I just add something that I think was so crucial
20:25 that I learned and felt in my own recovery is that
20:29 start even dare to hope it's scary.
20:33 It's like if I remember being a little girl and
20:37 around a bunch of addicts and if I hope for anything,
20:39 if somebody said we're going on vacation, I'm thinking
20:42 we're going on vacation?
20:44 I started hoping and when it didn't happen you would
20:47 just be crushed and so even when that starts to
20:49 wake up somebody that is real damaged,
20:51 they will get mad at themselves.
20:53 What are you stupid, what are you doing that for and
20:56 so it's like even as you start to wake that up, it is
21:01 really nice to be around safe folks when you do that.
21:03 I think all of heaven celebrates, all Heaven says you
21:07 know what, come on come on.
21:10 But it is really an interesting thing to watch
21:14 somebody heal - it is - to watch that.
21:16 I know that we have another question, Charlie you are
21:19 and ask a question of Kerry.
21:20 Kerry I would like to address may be another side
21:23 of the issue here where we talked about the offender.
21:24 I would like to talk about the law enforcement officer.
21:26 I was a Los Angeles County Deputy Sheriff in the 80's,
21:29 worked with the L. A. a county jail for a year and then
21:32 I went to South Central Los Angeles and worked there.
21:34 In the midst of that, in the middle of that
21:37 I became a born-again Christian.
21:39 I was trained to be a very aggressive police officer out
21:43 there, then I came out of church here in full of God's
21:48 love and didn't want to put people in jail anymore.
21:50 I wanted to get them out, but I still had that struggle
21:52 inside of compromising principles and ethics because
21:57 I was trained like I was a gang member myself.
22:00 I looked back and say I was a legalized gang member
22:04 and I compromised ethics and policies and treated
22:07 people terribly and had to deal with the guilt of that.
22:11 How would you address police officers out
22:12 there right now?
22:13 Now that you are training police officers how
22:15 would you address that right now if they are caught
22:16 up in that that you can be a police officer with
22:19 principles and ethics and be used in a positive
22:22 way without having to succumb to that
22:24 behavior and compromise?
22:27 Good question, absolutely good question.
22:30 It's interesting, I've looked at the changes happening
22:34 in law enforcement, obviously it is different now than it was in
22:37 the 80's, there's been a progression that started even
22:40 before that, Charlie where it used to be
22:43 when people got into law enforcement they got into it
22:46 for the motto that is written on most of our cars still.
22:48 To protect and serve.
22:50 There is a different mentality and it started somewhere around
22:54 around the 70's, 80's wherever, and has just
22:56 gotten progressively different to were now in the
22:59 academy's where I train, a lot of these young
23:02 officers are coming in for power and control.
23:04 You're going to give me a gun, and badge,
23:05 and a car and I have control and power and
23:08 now get my respect that way.
23:10 That is really scary.
23:11 The job duty from biblical times forward of the
23:16 ruling authority was to protect and to serve.
23:18 To bring that structure, that safe place for people to
23:23 exist and when you find something that is wrong, people
23:28 that are breaking the law, then we enforce the law,
23:32 but even that was supposed to be in a structured way.
23:34 That has changed in spirit,
23:37 but the policies haven't changed.
23:39 so the law enforcement officer today can lean on the policies
23:43 that were written way back when.
23:45 The policies still say your job is to protect and serve,
23:49 your job is to serve your community.
23:51 Most of your encounters are going to be with pro-social
23:53 people not the criminal element.
23:55 So the whole policemen in a certain neighborhood building
24:01 their routine and they go to the different shops and
24:05 say hi to people and get their names.
24:06 Those programs are in place now and coming back strong
24:09 too where they want the cop on the beat not in the car,
24:12 they want him known in the community as somebody that
24:15 the children can trust in the people can trust.
24:17 So the officer today can position himself that way
24:21 and say my job is to uphold integrity not violated so
24:27 I can get the bad guy.
24:28 As I'm listening to Charlie, your question, and your
24:32 response to him that has got to give an incredible humanity
24:36 back to the officers, all or back the people to step into
24:38 that line of work.
24:40 Because I think it was, it started to be a cruel
24:44 thing and sometimes it has gotten twisted, not all
24:48 the time but sometimes.
24:49 In some areas it has, and it creates a unique opportunity
24:54 for Christian officers who are trained by the word to
25:00 uphold integrity and the men of honesty and integrity.
25:03 Integrity and character, as often has been said, is
25:07 not what I do when I'm in public and being watched
25:09 it's what I do and I don't think I'll get caught
25:11 and nobody's watching.
25:12 When you get a group of men and women who conduct
25:14 themselves that way on and off the job, in and out
25:17 of uniform, always men and women of integrity
25:21 and honesty and purity and those things.
25:22 They have their personal life in order then they
25:26 carry that out to the job, they become the pillars
25:29 that we want our children to look up to.
25:31 We want them to be able to look at the policeman
25:32 and say you should be like him.
25:35 You should be like her.
25:36 How incredible that they are in our community,
25:38 this is a safe place - it is and those officers
25:42 become icons for fellow officers to be drawn to,
25:46 because they can't be compromised.
25:48 So at this point you know what I love is that's what
25:51 God has you doing is training people in that way.
25:54 How cool is that!
25:56 It's awesome we have just a couple minutes left I
25:59 want you to say is there anything that you want to
26:02 say to wrap this up
26:03 to talk directly to the folks that are watching,
26:05 just hey you.
26:07 Oh yes I would love to.
26:09 If I were to do a wrap up it would be, everyone
26:14 of us has a destiny, everyone of us has a purpose.
26:16 God has a specific purpose for you, were ever you are,
26:19 Whoever, if you are a law enforcement officer allow God
26:23 be a part of your life on the job and God will do incredible
26:27 things and touch people's lives through you.
26:29 If you are schoolteacher, whoever you are, if you
26:32 are a drug addict it just came off the streets and
26:34 just got introduced to Jesus, God wants to use
26:36 you right where you at.
26:37 God wants talk through you.
26:39 In the biggest thing is God has a purpose for me
26:42 and my goal is to be me, to be who I am.
26:44 Too many times we try to come in and be a like Pastor
26:48 or the elders are like the person sitting next to me
26:50 and we get on this little detour that takes forever,
26:52 finally coming back to the point where God says can
26:55 you just be you?
26:56 Because all those things that Satan twisted and
26:58 turned for his purposes, most of those were things
27:02 that God gave you.
27:03 That He had a great purpose for.
27:04 If we can just learn how to relax and be who God
27:07 intended us to be and just start living our lives
27:10 and telling our story, then we can change lives.
27:13 I want thank you Kerry so much for being on the program.
27:16 I want to thank you for being a man of God.
27:18 I want to thank you for responding to Him and
27:21 I want to thank you for working with at risk
27:23 folks, how cool is that?
27:25 It is very cool and thank you for letting me be here,
27:27 it has been a pleasure.
27:28 I want to say for anybody watching is that I am hoping
27:32 you heard that God had a plan for your life and am
27:34 hoping you saw the difference.
27:37 You know I love the difference passing that God is
27:39 only working with these at risk folks.
27:41 When I see God work with somebody that is, well you
27:45 were at risk. I think were all at risk so anyway come
27:50 right back because I want to wrap this up.
27:51 We'll see you in a few seconds.