Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), Mary Holley MD
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR000025
00:10 Welcome to Celebrating Life in Recovery,
00:12 I'm Cheri your host.
00:13 Today we're going to look at methamphetamine.
00:15 Not an easy subject, and especially for this woman,
00:18 so stay with us, join us in the café.
00:48 What is interesting to me is that God can step in and
00:51 heal us from anything.
00:53 I really believe when I came into recovery that I had two
00:56 brain cells left, and I'm not even sure that those were
01:00 communicating with each other.
01:02 God has restored so much, when they told me years later,
01:06 10 years later, that I had hepatitis A, B. and C.
01:09 I started praying about that and now they test me
01:12 and I don't have it.
01:13 I was tested for four years with it, so God is really
01:16 able to step in and do absolutely above what we can
01:21 even hope for or pray for, or even dream about.
01:25 Except to the point where we take ourselves out, as long
01:29 as we are breathing, God intervenes.
01:32 That's what happens when we take ourselves out.
01:36 We are going to talk to Dr. Mary Holley.
01:38 Dr. Holley I am so glad that you are on the show.
01:41 I have seen some of your presentations, I have seen the
01:46 work that you have done, and I sit there and
01:48 just want to Yahoo.
01:51 You really go out and educate folks. - yes, yes!
01:55 Tell us a little bit about that part, and then we will
01:59 get into why you got into this.
02:01 The training I do is mostly in county jail settings, talking to
02:05 inmates and addicts in local rehabilitation centers and
02:08 jails, that is where my love is,
02:10 that is where I come to life.
02:12 You just look too sweet to do that.
02:14 Do they listen?
02:16 Because you come in there looking so normal.
02:18 I come in looking like a respected physician and
02:21 I started at my local community where half the women in that
02:25 county jail have been my patients.
02:27 I delivered babies for them, they trusted me.
02:29 They would talk to me, and I learned as much from them
02:33 as they learned from me.
02:34 I learned what it is like to live as an addict.
02:38 I taught them all about chemistry, and they understood
02:40 that that's the truth because they lived it.
02:42 But they shared with me what it feels like from the inside.
02:45 That is where I get my power is from what I learned from
02:48 those inmates. - That's amazing.
02:50 So now let's go back to early in life and what started you
02:56 being interested in this kind of population?
02:59 My brother was addicted to methamphetamine.
03:01 He got addicted when he was 22 years old and it killed him
03:05 when he was 24 years old.
03:07 He was adorable, smart, funny.
03:10 He was an adorable kid, oh yeah.
03:12 He had a lot of friends, he was always active, rode
03:16 a motorcycle, played music and just a good kid.
03:19 A friend took him out for his 21st birthday, we are going
03:23 to show you a good time and introduced him to drugs in
03:26 general and then to methamphetamine a little later.
03:29 By the time he was 22 years old he was addicted.
03:32 What did his addiction look like?
03:35 And with your family, you are a Christian family, normal?
03:40 We were broken family, my father left when Jim was four.
03:45 Mother had tried to support Jim on her own with minimum-
03:51 wage jobs and there was never enough money.
03:52 He was alone a good bit of the time growing up.
03:55 He came home to an empty house when he was six years old,
03:58 and would make himself a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
04:00 So he was kind of set up to get hooked on drugs because
04:06 he was unsupervised and totally alone.
04:09 Anyone who offered him friendship, he was right there
04:12 to be friends with them and if they offered him drugs too,
04:14 well that was okay too.
04:15 - Were you already out of the house?
04:17 I was already out of the house, yeah I was 16 years older.
04:21 So what did his addiction look like as he started to use
04:25 and started to get lost in that?
04:26 He got pulled over for drunk driving, minor possession
04:31 charges, minimal arrest.
04:34 My mother would always bail him out, she didn't want
04:36 her son to staying in jail.
04:38 That's really what cooked him, because had he been
04:42 allowed to stay in jail for a little bit longer, he might
04:44 have come to his senses and realized what he was doing
04:47 and where it was leading him.
04:48 So she wouldn't let him suffer, she wouldn't let him
04:51 suffer long enough to want to turn around.
04:54 I think part of that was her guilt of not having
04:56 - of course it was, of course it was.
04:59 She felt guilty that she allow this to happen in the first
05:01 place, the first time she detected a drug abuse problem
05:05 was very shortly after I left home.
05:07 He was about 14 and she found inhalants under the bed
05:11 were he began getting into the beer and so she put him
05:15 in a 21 day program but that wasn't nearly enough.
05:19 - so people who don't know, can you explain inhalants?
05:22 I know that is basic stuff, but a lot of people are going
05:26 to hear that and say what she talking about?
05:28 Inhalants are like spray paint or glue, they'll spray
05:32 into a bag and put the bag up to their face, it's called
05:35 huffing, they get real high concentrations of these drugs
05:38 that displace the oxygen in the blood and so they get
05:41 hypoxic high, it is very similar to what kids are
05:45 doing now where they had this choking game.
05:47 They put a rope around their necks and close the door
05:50 and pull the rope to lower their oxygen levels,
05:55 and they hallucinate and they think it's fun.
05:57 Only some of them die, and people can die
06:00 from huffing as well.
06:02 We're going to get into, probably not this show but the
06:05 next show, what parents can look at.
06:06 Once you know about them, you can see those signs almost
06:11 everywhere, and your mom found something that she said oh
06:13 he is involved and let's get him into treatment.
06:16 Did your brother ever talk about what treatment was like
06:18 and did it help him?
06:19 He hated every minute of it, he played the game, made the
06:23 right answers to the right questions and got out of there.
06:25 Then immediately, by that same evening,
06:28 he was using again.
06:29 He freely admitted that.
06:31 - right, so his addiction continued? - yes!
06:35 When you say continued, drinking, smoking weed, partying
06:41 with friends, did his grades change?
06:43 He almost flunked the eighth grade and went into high school
06:47 and finished maybe a year and a half, when he
06:49 turned 16 he dropped out.
06:51 - he dropped out at 16!
06:52 So we had all this free time? - yes!
06:55 As soon as you said that I thought oh man, all this free
06:58 time, and then getting into meth.
07:02 Was meth different than the earlier drugs?
07:04 Methamphetamine is a lot more powerful than the cocaine
07:07 he had used before.
07:09 He said I could use cocaine and walk away from it.
07:10 He didn't get addicted to that, but methamphetamine
07:13 was a different animal, and he was addicted
07:16 right from the start.
07:17 He says that even on a videotape, I will never get back
07:21 what I lost that night.
07:23 People will say that you can't get addicted on the first
07:27 one, I hear that all the time.
07:28 But from an addict, I'm an addict, don't lie to yourself.
07:32 Some of these drugs, if you are prone to addiction in
07:36 any way because of childhood stuff and all that,
07:40 you can get addicted the first time.
07:42 Even biochemically speaking, the very first hit of
07:45 methamphetamine damages the track in the brain that gives
07:48 you self control, and it doesn't take but one or two hits
07:52 to destroy that tissue.
07:53 Methamphetamine is far more toxic to it than alcohol.
07:56 You know what, I can't even pronounce that track,
07:59 but I was fascinated when I read, you've written a number
08:03 of books, in one of your books you talk about that part
08:06 of the brain, can you talk about that?
08:08 What does it mean and how does it get damaged?
08:11 It's actually a series of tracks, I only name the biggest
08:15 one fasciculus retroflex'
08:17 So you see why I can't say that?
08:20 Say it in, say it slowly.
08:21 It's called fasciculus retroflex's, it's the little
08:26 thing that gives you your conscious mind where you make
08:29 decisions and have rational thought and gives the control
08:32 over the urges and drives and cravings that come
08:35 out of the bottom of the brain.
08:37 So it literally connects those two areas, frontal lobe
08:41 and your base animal instincts and the little
08:45 character stuff in there.
08:47 It has a stop off in the character development areas
08:50 called lateral hibernal and continues
08:54 down to craving areas.
08:56 So you can control those things, if you have a desire for
08:59 chocolate chip cookies and you know you're not supposed
09:01 to eat things like that, you control it.
09:02 The electrical current that goes up to the frontal lobe says,
09:06 you know you're trying to get in shape and
09:08 then it goes back down.
09:09 So you can reason with yourself and think things out,
09:12 but when those tissue tracks get destroyed, you don't
09:15 think about it, you just do it.
09:17 You get a desire to get high and you're off to the drug
09:21 dealer and it doesn't even cross your mind
09:24 to control that urge, and you are no longer physically able
09:28 to control that urge.
09:30 You're suppose to go to work.
09:31 It affects every area of self-discipline, not just drug
09:35 use, if you don't want to go to work tomorrow, or you
09:38 don't want to pay the bills, yell at your kids because
09:41 they are making too much noise.
09:42 You can control your temper, can't control ambition,
09:44 you can't control any part of your life,
09:46 not just the drug use.
09:48 What's interesting to me is the more that I looked at
09:50 some of the stuff you put together, is the fact that not
09:53 only can you not control it but you can literally see that
09:55 there is an electrical current that is not going anymore.
09:59 So I thought, no way, that you could look at my brain
10:03 and say that you damaged that part.
10:05 I think that we just don't know that our choices,
10:10 smoking cigarettes even, those are addictions that damage
10:15 - That same track, that same track, fasciculus retroflex's
10:20 it has two tracks to it.
10:21 One of them is sensitive to nicotine, cigarette smoking.
10:24 The other is sensitive to all the other drugs, from
10:27 Alcohol up to methamphetamine.
10:29 So when you start smoking you lose the right lane of
10:32 your self-control track and that predisposes you to
10:35 become addicted to the next thing that comes along and
10:37 knocks out the left lane.
10:39 So you're more likely to get addicted, more likely to
10:42 remain addicted if you continue smoking.
10:44 Smoking doesn't actually kill those cells, it just
10:47 disables them and they don't work quite right.
10:48 It's like road bumps, speed bumps.
10:50 If you quit smoking you regain the right line of that
10:55 control track and you are a lot more able to stay clean
10:59 long term if you quit smoking.
11:01 Up to four times more likely to stay clean
11:03 if you stop smoking.
11:05 Is anybody hearing that? I think we have to hear that.
11:08 A lot of times people will say, I'm going to stop this
11:10 drug but not this drug, or I'm going to still drink
11:13 coffee and smoke but I'm not going to slam heroin.
11:16 But what you are saying is, what studies are showing in
11:19 the brain is to really get away from everything and give
11:23 yourself have a chance, or more than half a chance.
11:26 You restore yourself control over your drug intake,
11:29 or your temper, over your ambition, every area of life
11:33 becomes more manageable when you also quit smoking.
11:36 You get that natural spontaneous easy way of controlling
11:40 yourself back, you don't have to think about it,
11:43 it comes spontaneously.
11:44 One of the things about porn addictions is that, is that one
11:46 that damages that area?
11:48 Pornography stimulates a similar area of the brain that
11:51 can trigger the same biochemical cascade
11:54 that methamphetamine does.
11:56 People get hooked on that. - right!
12:01 I want to get back to that, definitely in another show
12:03 we will cover all this stuff in depth because I think the
12:06 more we know about our brain, when somebody says, just
12:11 stop using, and God talks about taking care of yourself.
12:16 Really take care of yourself, because once we damage
12:20 things, especially in our brain, our life is compromised.
12:25 We are not living up to our full potential at all.
12:27 Not just personally, but also within the family.
12:30 You are not being the dad you're supposed to be.
12:32 You are not being the daughter your supposed to be.
12:34 It affects every area of society, you're not the employee
12:37 you are supposed to be.
12:38 You are not the driver we intended you to be.
12:41 - you're not the brother. - right!
12:44 It is more than just your individual life, this affects
12:49 everybody around you, and a lot further than you can see.
12:52 I remember when I was hearing some of your story,
12:57 you talked, about your brother and your daughter and how
12:59 afraid she was of him toward the end.
13:01 Can you talk about why, and what change in his behavior
13:05 that will cause her to be afraid?
13:06 He would fly off the handle over nothing, just minimal
13:09 things would make him angry.
13:11 So she would walk into the room and want to be near him,
13:14 but she would stay where the door was real close.
13:17 Where she could get away real quick.
13:19 She would lean into him because she loved him, but she
13:22 always had her eye on the door.
13:24 You know to this day she is still that way.
13:25 She is 14 years old now and I took her to the doctor,
13:28 she was going to get shots for a trip to go to Ecuador.
13:31 She was supposed to get some injections and
13:33 she's looking at the door.
13:35 She was making sure where the escape route was.
13:36 So it really changed her.
13:38 Did your brother end up with psychosis,
13:42 with the methamphetamine?
13:44 Yes he became psychotic, he thought the police could
13:46 see through the walls, they were beaming thoughts into
13:49 his head from a satellite, they could see through
13:51 the walls and read his mind.
13:53 We put him into a mental hospital and one occasion when
13:57 he attempted suicide, but he only stayed for the 72 hour
14:00 emergency commitment and after that he signed out of there
14:03 because he thought the drug dealers could
14:05 see through the walls.
14:07 Within three weeks he killed himself.
14:12 They say a drug-induced psychosis is as bad
14:14 as any other psychosis.
14:15 Biochemically it is indistin- guishable, and clinically
14:18 talking to people that are psychotic because of drugs, the
14:21 only way you can tell them apart is that the drug addict
14:24 hallucinates about drug context.
14:27 He hallucinates about dealers and narks and guns and cops.
14:31 Where the general schizophrenic will have more generalized
14:35 hallucinations that don't necessarily refer to drugs,
14:38 though they can, but the drug induced psychotic all
14:41 he can think about is his single-minded and compulsiveness
14:44 about his drugs.
14:46 When he killed himself, he struggled, he felt like
14:49 something was telling him to kill himself all the time.
14:53 He said, the way he put it was he felt abandoned.
14:56 He felt alone like no one understood and nobody cared.
15:00 That is the way he felt.
15:02 He was a Christian and believed in God, in fact the
15:05 Sunday before he killed himself on Monday, he wanted
15:08 to go to church and he stayed through one service and
15:11 there was another service afterword and he stayed
15:13 for the second sermon.
15:14 He was hungry for more of God because he knew what
15:18 he was facing, but he just couldn't live like that.
15:21 He thought he would always be crazy.
15:23 I'm not doing it!
15:25 So he ends up killing himself. - Yes!
15:27 That really changed your life, even your medical practice
15:31 it sounds like. - Yes I was an obstetrician.
15:35 I delivered babies for about 20 years.
15:37 I closed my practice about three years ago to devote
15:40 full-time to methamphetamine,
15:42 because it is so much more important.
15:44 What was it, when you decided to start looking into this,
15:48 at first it was just to find out what happened with
15:50 my brother, what kind of drug is this that took
15:54 him completely away from us, away from himself?
15:57 What is this that it destroyed his life,
16:00 that was my first question, but also I was in practice
16:03 and was delivering babies.
16:04 I started seeing patients coming into my office, nine
16:08 months pregnant, and acting just as crazy as Jim was.
16:10 I was doing drug tests on these ladies and they were
16:13 positive for methamphetamine, it was throughout the
16:15 community, and then I looked into it, not just as a sister,
16:19 but as a physician, where's the biochemistry?
16:22 Give me an explanation. What is this stuff doing?
16:24 What I found out appalls me.
16:27 Teach us some stuff.
16:29 Methamphetamine gives a whopping dose of the brains
16:34 favorite pleasure chemicals called dopamine's,
16:37 that's the long name for it.
16:38 It is a thing that makes everything feel good.
16:40 It makes the music sound good, food tastes good.
16:44 - you are beautiful!
16:45 Everything feels good because of dopamine in a special
16:49 little section called nucleus accumbens.
16:51 It's a pleasure center, it is meant to operate on natural
16:55 pleasures, beautiful music, or a pretty flower, will
17:01 stimulate those centers.
17:02 Loving your children, sitting down to a nice meal is all
17:06 that is supposed to be necessary to stimulate those
17:08 centers, but when you overdose them, and overpower them
17:12 with too much of abusive drugs,
17:14 they are not responding to those things anymore.
17:16 As though hugging your children doesn't give you a lift.
17:20 Talking to a friend doesn't make you feel better.
17:22 The things that are supposed to be gratifying and
17:26 reinforcing don't work anymore,
17:28 once you have been on methamphetamines.
17:30 As I came off of drugs, what was interesting was that I
17:37 had to learn again begin to feel good about those simple things.
17:40 I mean my brain chemistry was so messed up, but I wanted
17:44 to tell every child on the planet do not even destroy
17:48 yourself in this way, it really is horrible.
17:51 As you use it is horrible, absolutely horrible.
17:56 Family members do not understand that either.
17:58 They say, well why don't you just quit this stuff?
18:00 Why don't you just stop it, okay?
18:02 It's not that easy, it hurts so bad to get off this stuff.
18:07 Nobody is going to do it until it hurts worse to keep using.
18:11 And it hurts worse to keep using in the county jail,
18:14 where nobody will bail you out.
18:16 But they don't understand that.
18:17 Like your mom, don't bail them out.
18:20 Don't bail them out and let God do His job.
18:23 - let your body have a chance to heal.
18:25 God put that kid in prison for a very good reason,
18:28 don't sabotage it, let him stay there long enough to heal.
18:32 My heart says, I bet somebody heard you say that right now.
18:36 I hope so! - Amen!
18:41 Tell me if this isn't, somebody told me as I was coming in
18:43 to do recovery at first, is that when I take the drug,
18:48 when I take the meth or stimulant or whatever, it is as
18:52 if a neural chemistry gets turned on like a faucet
18:55 being turned on full blast and my body is saying, oh man
18:59 this is amazing, but nothing else in a normal existence
19:05 can turn it on full blast.
19:06 So everything else is secondary now.
19:09 Nothing will ever shine the candle the way meth does.
19:12 It's like a pressure washer of pleasure chemical.
19:16 There is no natural stimulus that can do that.
19:19 Once you have turned off that pressure washer, it's like
19:25 the world is so gray and ugly and boring and stupid.
19:29 No conversation is interesting anymore.
19:33 No televisions show is worth watching anymore.
19:36 For at least six months after getting off the meth,
19:40 the whole world is like oatmeal.
19:43 Nothing tastes good, nothing sounds good, nothing looks
19:47 good, this job is boring, these people are stupid.
19:49 If I could just feel good again, just once, just for
19:53 a little while, if I could just feel good again for
19:55 a little while so they get high again.
19:56 And everybody's going, what is the matter with you?
20:01 My sister, my sister is a meth addict and she has been
20:04 since she was 15 and now is in her 40s.
20:06 I have said everything, everything.
20:10 I remember going over one time and she was 70 pounds,
20:15 maybe 78 pounds, her teeth were all rotted out and she
20:19 had meth sores all over.
20:21 I started crying, and I put her in front of a mirror and
20:23 I said Joni, you are scaring me.
20:26 She said, what are you jealous that she was so thin?
20:31 I thought, the chemicals have so flooded the brain that she
20:35 can't they even look in the mirror and see reality
20:37 the same way, and it's almost to me, I was surprised,
20:40 it's almost like talking to a schizophrenic because their
20:43 reality is so different than yours.
20:46 Can you talk a little bit about that?
20:47 Somebody will say, why don't you just understand
20:49 what I am saying?
20:51 The schizophrenia and the hallucinations that are
20:54 associated with methamphetamine are pervasive, they are through
20:58 the whole personality,
20:59 not just in any one particular situation.
21:01 So they have this altered sense of reality, and that
21:04 reality to them is just as real as the table right here.
21:07 Nobody can talk them out of it.
21:10 What they see in their minds is just as real
21:13 as any physical reality.
21:15 It actually starts as a form of sleep depravation.
21:19 If you go for long enough without any sleep you will
21:22 hallucinate, it happens to me as an obstetrician after
21:26 about four days without any sleep.
21:28 A meth addict can do four days, two weeks.
21:30 Oh, no problem for them to stay at two weeks at a time,
21:33 by the end of the week of no sleep they are seeing things.
21:37 They see shadow people, they are right outside their field
21:41 of vision and he has got a chain in a gun and he is going
21:44 to kill me, but every time I turn around he disappears.
21:46 Those unreality types of feelings and situations.
21:53 They are suspicious, are worried about someone following them.
21:58 They think every time you pick up the phone you are
22:00 reporting them to the police.
22:02 Kind of delusional ideas that are pervasive.
22:05 For somebody that does not know this world, they probably
22:08 listen to you and think that you are exaggerating a little
22:11 bit, but I want to say you're not exaggerating.
22:15 I'm minimizing it, it gets much worse than that.
22:18 I had a friend that thought that the FBI was after them.
22:21 He laid in his backyard by a tree with a gun, the only
22:25 person that came was the mailman and he was convinced
22:28 that was the FBI.
22:30 I'm not sure why he didn't shoot, but I'm grateful.
22:34 The paranoia in that existence is unbelievable.
22:39 Oh yeah, they live in their houses with the shades pulled
22:41 down, and peek out every once in a while to see who was
22:44 walking by, but the rest of the time they're closed in the
22:47 closet scared to death of everybody.
22:49 That is not a life, that is a living death.
22:53 You don't even know, because at first the chemical,
22:57 or that feel good dopamine just says that this is the
23:00 greatest thing ever, the greatest thing ever.
23:03 When you actually sees how somebody lives,
23:05 it is absolutely sad.
23:07 You have seen a lot of research, can you share with us
23:11 a little more about that?
23:12 About the research?
23:14 Like when you talk about the brain chemistry, or meth
23:18 labs, or how people live, or even women coming in with
23:21 babies and still using meth in the middle of their
23:24 pregnancy, not even under- standing genetically what is
23:28 happening to this child and their development.
23:30 That is a whole big ball of wax.
23:33 The impact of methamphetamine on a developing child is
23:37 just now starting to be understood.
23:39 20 years ago the first study to come out was in 1989.
23:43 They did a scan on the babies of mothers who used
23:47 methamphetamine during pregnancy and 35% of them had
23:51 holes in their brains.
23:52 Holes in their brains just like their mothers.
23:54 From the chemical or the acids in meth, is it the same?
23:58 Yes, it is the same chemical. - I had no idea!
24:01 It's erodes holes in human brains, it erodes in the baby
24:05 brain too, but the babies, human infants in particular,
24:09 continue developing up to the first 21 years of life, but
24:13 especially the first two years there is this dramatic
24:16 explosion of brain cell growth.
24:17 So if you are missing 10% of your brain cells at birth,
24:21 that will be overgrown and overgrown and turn into 1% by
24:24 the time you are one year old and that is our salvation.
24:29 That is assuming that child is raised in a nurturing home
24:32 with parents who love it and talk to it and feed him.
24:36 That is not the case in the average meth abusing home.
24:40 So a baby who is born into a meth abused home with holes
24:44 in his brain already, and his mother beats him or shakes
24:47 him when he is a little bitty baby and ignores him and
24:51 doesn't feed him when he's a little older,
24:53 that child will not do well in school.
24:55 We are seeing large numbers of these kids coming into
24:57 special education programs in the public schools.
25:03 This was interesting for me, hopefully for you guys,
25:07 but with meth there are a lot of drugs we take.
25:11 I'm not going to add good or bad, but there is a lot of
25:14 drugs we take that our body can sort out and flush them
25:18 and all that, but with meth and the acids in meth we can't
25:21 do it, right? We can't get rid of it in the same way?
25:24 Well we metabolize meth amphetamine down to chemicals
25:27 that are themselves toxic, I call it the battery acid effect.
25:31 What is the stuff made out of?
25:32 Show them the canister of acetone, Freon,
25:35 all the chemicals that it is made out of.
25:37 This is what we make methamphetamine out of, what do
25:40 you suppose your body is going to turn it back into?
25:42 You break it down to the same kind of caustic chemicals it
25:46 is made out of, it's like eating battery acid.
25:48 It will destroy brain tissues.
25:50 As it passes the brain barrier, just like dripping acid
25:54 on this soft tissue.
25:56 Yes, and it's the susceptible soft tissue, but it also eats
25:59 holes in lungs and the heart and kidneys, and many other
26:03 organs are damaged by methamphetamines.
26:05 I have seen gums, teeth, you know the visual stuff that
26:09 you can see what they lot of addicts is in the gums and
26:14 teeth in the mouth.
26:15 It's the first thing that is most obvious.
26:17 Their teeth fall out as soon as six months after starting
26:21 using, because it constricts the blood supply to the gums.
26:25 So even healthy teeth will fall right out.
26:32 When your brother died, when you started to do research
26:35 on what this drug is, what kinds of things do you tell
26:39 family members of addicts?
26:41 How do you say, for one, not enable their loved one's
26:45 using, and do they survive with this craziness?
26:49 Number one we have to get past the denial.
26:52 That is a hard one, you don't want to believe it.
26:54 You do not want to think that your kid doing this.
26:57 Oh, it couldn't be my kid, I raised him in church.
27:01 This couldn't be happening.
27:02 The kid has a list of excuses a mile long.
27:05 He can tell you why he lost his job.
27:07 He can tell you why it's out of money.
27:09 He tell you why his wife left, he has got an excuse for
27:12 every day of the week.
27:13 If you want to believe all that stuff, you can keep your
27:15 head in the sand for as long as you want to.
27:18 But guys, denial does not work, denial kills.
27:21 While you are busy denying the obvious, your kid is
27:24 smoking is brains away in a back bedroom.
27:26 Denial does not work.
27:28 But once we have actually face the music and except it for
27:32 the fact that our kid has a problem and he needs some
27:35 help, now how do you make that kid get some help?
27:38 If he is under 18 it is relatively easy, you just sign
27:42 the papers and get him put into rehab.
27:44 But if he is over 18 you do not have any control over that
27:47 child. - I have seen that child kicking and screaming,
27:50 where we've done interventions, and the child is kicking
27:53 and screaming when we leave the facility.
27:55 I'm telling you to have the have a heart to do that,
27:58 because you may save his life or her life.
28:00 If being able to intervene and just say this is not about
28:04 whether you are going to like me tomorrow or not, this is
28:07 about I want you to be alive to raise your own family.
28:10 I want you to be alive to laugh out loud with people you
28:13 love and right now you're not going to get there
28:15 unless we intervene. - right, yes!
28:17 We had to take a strong stance against teenagers using.
28:21 I recommend drug testing in high school age kids by the
28:25 parents, even if the schools won't do it,
28:28 but parents need to.
28:29 My daughter was so mad, I keep drug testing kits with me
28:32 because I work with at risk folks.
28:33 If you are even glassy eyed I think, excuse me can you pee
28:37 in this? And people are furious with me.
28:40 But my daughter came home one day with this person that
28:43 was cutting and smoking weed.
28:45 I could smell the weed and I'm thinking, no way!
28:48 No way, because you can tell that your kids are running
28:51 around with folks that are using and you have to ask the
28:53 obvious question, are you using?
28:56 So I asked her and she looked at me like I can't believe
28:59 you asked me that.
29:00 I'm thinking, excuse me, but your friend has
29:03 got blood dripping down her hand practically
29:06 and she is smoking weed.
29:07 You can smell it. She said, but that is her.
29:10 I say Jackie, I just need to drug test you.
29:12 So she goes in there and pees in the cup and she brings it
29:15 out and she is furious, she is negative.
29:18 She is furious, but I'm like dancing, woo hoo!
29:21 Because I need that peace of mind.
29:23 Drug testing kits are cheap, they are easy to keep around.
29:27 It's almost like nowadays we don't have the luxury to be
29:31 unaware, we just don't have the luxury.
29:35 These drugs are deadly, they are not like, well I don't
29:40 know, not like they are in their 50's when people
29:42 were drinking or whatever.
29:43 Even though people died with that,
29:45 but these drugs are deadly.
29:47 I'm used to seeing all that stuff.
29:50 You know it is the deadliest thing, I'm sorry go ahead.
29:53 A drug test does not have to destroy trust in the family.
29:56 A drug test can establish trust in the family.
30:00 Where that kid proves to you that he is clean and that
30:04 he handled himself responsibly.
30:06 That gives him an opportunity to prove to you that
30:08 he is a responsible individual.
30:10 That builds trust in the family.
30:12 I must handle the wrong because she was mad at me for
30:15 a couple of days.
30:18 To me, and I think for a lot of us, we want to believe
30:23 that it is just not here, and I'm sure your family with
30:26 your brother, we just what to believe it's not here,
30:30 or it is not that bad, or it is not anything
30:33 I need to intervene.
30:34 I see situations where I think when I walk in and
30:37 everybody is having, after church, and everyone's
30:40 having potluck and I'm thinking does anybody see this
30:44 kid over here? Because I want to do a drug test.
30:47 It is like being able to be aware, because you will
30:49 save a life and help someone.
30:51 We have to get over our hesitancy to confront people,
30:56 especially our children.
30:57 We are hesitant to make a scene or cause a fuss or to
31:01 make a demand on our kids.
31:04 This is a matter of brain cells guys, this is not anybody's
31:07 pride or dignity at stake, this is brain cells.
31:11 Like hepatitis, both are some painful deaths.
31:14 You are talking liver and brain and tissues that
31:18 mean life or death.
31:19 HIV, HIV is making a huge comeback in the countryside's,
31:23 because addicts to do not care who they sleep with.
31:28 What would you tell, definitely educate yourself.
31:32 Test your kids if you're curious, if there is any
31:36 suspicion, and a feeling that you need to test somebody.
31:41 Anything else with families?
31:42 Once families have come to grips with the fact that this
31:45 kid has a problem, it's time to get out the tough love.
31:49 Tough love is hard, that means letting him face the
31:53 natural consequences of his decisions.
31:56 If that means that his car is impounded, leave the car
32:00 impounded, if it means he's in county jail,
32:02 leave him in county jail.
32:04 Let him face the consequences of the decisions he's
32:06 making so he can make stronger decisions.
32:08 So what will people think about our family?
32:09 Oh yes you see, that's the problem.
32:12 What will the church think?
32:14 What will the people of the Country Club say?
32:16 Oh yeah, the people at the Country Club are not
32:18 responsible for your kids brain, you are.
32:20 They are not going to bury him!
32:22 Every time you give that kid another hundred bucks,
32:24 you are putting another hole in his brain.
32:26 To me it is absolutely amazing to just say it straight up
32:32 this is the reality of it.
32:34 I think it gives us permission to act.
32:36 There was a group of kids in Georgia, where 17 junior
32:42 high school kids end up with syphilis.
32:45 Did you hear about that?
32:46 17, so definitely disease and folks are saying what's up
32:51 here, and they were meeting after school using and sleeping
32:55 together and watching porn and all that stuff.
32:57 It was because they were bored, it was a very affluent
33:01 area, so for us to bury our heads is just saying we have
33:05 no idea the society we are living in.
33:07 To me, I don't even care anymore if I offend someone,
33:11 I think we have to talk, we have to say out loud that
33:15 this is out there and that meth is in every state that
33:19 I go to now as I travel and speak in schools.
33:22 Meth is just taking over as the drug of choice.
33:25 It is cheap and easily made.
33:27 Cheap and it's readily available and the
33:29 kids think it's safe.
33:30 They have heard about crack babies and they don't want
33:32 to have anything to do with that cocaine, but they think
33:34 methamphetamine is safe.
33:36 They can take by mouth and they don't have to shoot a
33:39 needle, they can smoke it like a pipe like marijuana.
33:42 They think it is a and it is far more destructive
33:45 than any amount of cocaine.
33:47 So breaking denial, that's definitely, tough love.
33:50 So what does tough love look like?
33:53 Tough love is hard to do.
33:55 Tough love, there is three major barriers to tough love.
33:58 Number one is denial, like we had talked about.
34:00 Number two is fear, you don't want to keep your kid out
34:03 of the house because you know he will go with his drug
34:07 buddies and might get killed.
34:08 But he is getting killed in your back bedroom too.
34:12 So let's not be afraid, let's be afraid of the right
34:16 thing, let's be afraid of drug use, not the punishment.
34:19 Then there is always an underlying element of guilt.
34:23 Parents feel responsible for what their kids have done.
34:27 They feel like they should have prevented it.
34:29 They should have known better than to let them run around
34:31 with those kids, they should have stopped it.
34:33 They feel all this guilt, and sometimes it is false guilt.
34:38 You blame yourself for everything your kid has done.
34:40 Take that false guilt and thrown out the window.
34:43 You are not responsible for every decision your kid has
34:46 ever made, but underneath it all there is always
34:49 a generous dose of real guilt.
34:50 True guilt, I know where I failed my children and
34:55 you know where you failed your children.
34:56 Nobody is a perfect parent.
34:58 You take your true guilt to the cross of Jesus Christ.
35:01 Let Him forgive you and then forgive yourself.
35:07 And now you can do the tough love that you have to do
35:11 to save that child's life, but you can't do it while you're
35:13 hauling around a ton of guilt.
35:15 You have to set that down.
35:17 We are going to go ahead and take a break but
35:20 I want to come back to that.
35:21 Also on our next segment we are going to ask some
35:24 questions, I mean they're going to ask us questions
35:27 asked at the café.
35:28 So stay with us we will be right back.
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36:18 Were talking about tough love, and a lot of people have
36:21 misconceptions about what that is.
36:24 If you have a family member that is using and you are
36:27 trying to set boundaries around them, what does that
36:31 exactly mean to have tough love?
36:33 You are talking before the break about breaking denial,
36:36 getting yourself educated, setting boundaries, talk a
36:39 little bit more about what it is and what it isn't.
36:43 Tough love is going to be hard to do on an individual
36:46 basis because every situation is different.
36:49 What it boils down to is you don't give them any money,
36:52 and you don't let them live at your place, and you don't
36:55 let them use your car, and they don't lie to their boss.
36:58 If they get put in jail you let them stay there, oh are
37:01 they going to complain. - right!
37:02 You have abandoned me, and you have ignored me, you
37:05 hate me, they are going to accuse you of all these things.
37:09 But if somebody you know it's going to be compromised,
37:13 drinking, drugs or whatever, you don't want
37:16 them driving your car, so what you're doing is just
37:18 setting appropriate boundaries.
37:19 Right, you must set limits.
37:21 If you're going to use drugs I can't stop you, you are
37:24 over 18 and I can't stop you.
37:25 But I can keep you from using them in my house.
37:27 - and driving my car.
37:29 I'm not going to give you any money to buy dope with.
37:31 I'm not even going to pay your electric bill because
37:34 you are responsible for your electric bill.
37:36 If you are spending all your money on dope and
37:38 you don't pay your electric bill that is not my problem,
37:40 that is your problem.
37:41 And being able to even say that, and some people say I have to
37:45 be angry at them to do that, you really don't.
37:47 It is just the way it is.
37:50 You need to be very firm and know in your mind that you
37:54 are not going to cave in, because you know that every
37:57 time you give that kid at another hundred bucks you are
37:59 putting another hole in his brain.
38:01 If that is firmly in your mind then you are not even
38:04 tempted to give him any money.
38:06 I have never thought of it that way, when you said that
38:09 I was thinking, oh man, no addict on the planet that
38:12 watches this movie is ever going to
38:13 a hundred bucks again.
38:15 Just from you.
38:17 I hope not, but when they make all those accusations against
38:20 you, you don't care, you don't love me, you're not doing
38:23 what you're supposed to do, you have not abandoned that
38:25 child as long as you are still praying for that child.
38:28 You don't give them any money, you don't help them out
38:31 anyway, but as long as you are still praying for that
38:34 kid, you have not abandoned him. - exactly!
38:36 You may get tired of it, don't get discouraged, you keep
38:39 praying, it might be years, but you keep praying.
38:43 Surround yourself by people that will
38:45 affirm and edify you.
38:46 Other people will join you in prayer, because powerful
38:49 prayer is done in pairs. - right!
38:52 As long as you are praying for them you have not
38:55 abandoned them, that is important to understand because
38:57 you feel like you have abandoned them.
38:58 You can't talk to your addict kid, he can't hear a word
39:03 you say to him, the only person who can talk to a meth
39:08 addict is the Holy Spirit.
39:10 Every time you pray for that kid, the Holy Spirit speaks
39:13 into his heart and he understands every word.
39:16 So don't get tired of it, don't get discouraged, keep
39:19 praying even though you're not feeling it.
39:21 And know that He is hearing God. He may not be hearing you.
39:24 And he had to pray with both hands, you can't pray with
39:28 one hand and give him 50 bucks with the other.
39:29 It doesn't work that way.
39:30 When you say that I'm thinking what do you mean both hands?
39:34 You can't pray with one hand and give him 50 bucks with the other
39:38 You know what is fun, I can tell that you are so clear,
39:42 do not enable this child.
39:43 You know what it feels like to lose somebody you love,
39:47 you do not want to lose this child.
39:49 I just want to say that every single child, husband, wife,
39:54 whoever the addict is, make sure that they know that they
39:59 are loved, I think that is important.
40:02 There is a book that I love calling 'Caring Enough To
40:05 Confront', do I care enough about you to confront?
40:09 And I do, so if you are acting out and I have to set
40:12 limits, I'm just going to repeat myself.
40:14 I am doing this because I know that you are using.
40:17 The person can yell, you are a na-na-na and na-na-na and
40:21 I'm doing this because you are using and they can yell again.
40:23 I am doing this because you are using and if I have just
40:26 repeat myself like a parrot, I can't get hooked into the
40:30 argument, I can just say again I am doing this because
40:33 I know you are using.
40:35 Being able to be firm, and there are times where you are
40:38 going to want to cry and cry and cry, but just cry,
40:40 but do not give them 50 bucks.
40:42 That is why you need a support group of people around you
40:45 that understand what you're going through.
40:47 You got to level with the people in your Sunday school
40:50 class or church and tell them what you are really going
40:52 through so they can pray intelligently with you.
40:55 There will be some who will sit on the other side of the
40:58 church, I don't want to sit next to you because your kid
41:00 is a drug addict, just pray for them too.
41:03 You need people around you that understand what you're
41:06 going through, and if you are trying to wallpaper over it
41:09 and deny to the people around you that you have a problem,
41:13 that is not helping you, that is isolating you.
41:16 I love the fact that you said to just make sure that you
41:19 can talk to someone, and if I know someone is going to
41:22 judge me I'm going to talk to someone else.
41:23 Because right now I am struggling enough, it is not
41:26 about your acceptance anymore, it's about my spouse or my
41:29 child's life and so I don't want to even,
41:32 I can't get wrapped up in all that stuff.
41:35 We isolate ourselves when we are faced with something
41:38 like this, because we don't want to tell the neighbors.
41:41 We don't want to tell our friends and we have to tell
41:43 these people, we have to find somebody that you can level
41:46 with, and be honest with, be genuine and have
41:51 people praying with you.
41:52 I know I'm going to so step on toes right now, I'm going
41:55 to say something and at first I was not going to say it.
41:58 I was actually biting my tongue, do not share this.
42:00 But I'm going to share something,
42:02 and tell me what you think.
42:03 I get asked to do a one on one home intervention with a
42:07 meth addict let's say, in New York.
42:09 I go in and this was a beautiful home, a doctor's home.
42:14 Incredible, and I was a little intimidated because it was
42:18 just beautiful and I am an addict in recovery so to me.
42:22 So I sit down, I love God and I pray before I do anything.
42:26 I think Jesus gives me the Holy Spirit and I am equipped
42:30 when I walk in the door, and that is the only way
42:32 I can do this kind of work.
42:34 So I go in and the father comes in and son who was 22 and
42:37 a meth addict who was out running the streets and out of
42:40 control, and the Holy Spirit tells me that the father is
42:43 having an affair and is addicted to porn.
42:45 When he cleans up, his son will clean up.
42:48 I'm thinking, oh man, don't tell me that.
42:51 I so know that God supernaturally
42:56 leads us in our recovery.
42:57 He supernaturally leads us in ministry and so I knew
43:00 that, that impression, I didn't hear a voice, but that
43:03 impression that I got was a very real.
43:06 Sometimes in families check your stuff, not saying that
43:10 it is anybody's fault, but if you are sexually acting out,
43:13 if you are using yourself, if you are bringing drugs and
43:16 alcohol into the home and your kids are acting out,
43:18 it's because, it's almost like we let the devil come in and
43:21 then we don't want him to play with our children.
43:23 So there is that sense, to me, tough love involves being
43:27 tough with yourself, do you agree with what I'm saying?
43:32 Yes I understand what you are saying.
43:33 When I finally got to say to this doctor, do you have
43:38 anything you would like to talk about?
43:40 He looked at me and lost all the color in his face and
43:43 I remember, he was like what?
43:45 God said, Cheri say it.
43:48 I said do you have any porn addictions or anything?
43:50 He said I knew you're going to say that.
43:52 So God was already working on him.
43:55 So being able to honestly say to him, is you know what?
44:00 Clean up, and honestly look at yourself so that
44:04 you can be there for your children, so you can be there
44:07 for your community, or your church, but don't think
44:09 you are going to carry all this stuff in your pocket
44:11 and just give lip service and somebody
44:14 life is going to change.
44:15 You really have to be serious about wanting to change your
44:19 life and reach out to them.
44:20 That is one thing about the Lord, He is genuine.
44:22 He won't put up with a phony.
44:24 He won't be mocked, it says in the Bible.
44:26 I'm thinking man, we're going to open it up for questions.
44:31 I'm just am thrilled with who is at the café, so Brian you
44:35 have been on other shows and I love you, what do
44:39 you think about what is being said?
44:40 Well doctor first of all, I really enjoy what you are
44:43 saying here and I live on an Indian reservation.
44:45 Of course meth knows no boundaries, these people that
44:50 are cooking this meth and seeing an opportunity to make
44:53 some money on the Indian reservations, and it's happening
44:56 all over the United States and it is becoming
45:01 an epidemic in Indian country.
45:03 Talking about tough love, I live on a small reservation,
45:06 800 members, so everybody knows everybody, and everybody
45:10 knows what everybody is doing.
45:11 That is the message that our people need to hear is that
45:15 we need to have a tough love in our community, and we need
45:19 to stop this now.
45:21 What has been the recovery rate of these meth addicts?
45:24 One thing you said is that you need the Holy Spirit.
45:27 It is by the grace of God that I am here today because
45:30 I'm recovering, a drug and alcohol addict myself.
45:33 It was only through the grace of God that allowed me to
45:36 be here today, but what is the recovery rate you're seeing
45:40 from these meth addict's?
45:41 Meth addicts take a lot longer to recover from addiction
45:45 than say an alcoholic, or even a cocaine addict.
45:48 The traditional program was a 28 day program that was
45:52 developed for alcohol and it was effective for alcohol.
45:56 But 28 days doesn't cut it for methamphetamine.
45:59 After 28 day inpatient program we still have about
46:02 an 88% failure rate, they go back and use again.
46:06 So they spaced it out to maybe six months,
46:08 maybe six months is enough.
46:10 With a six-month program, a real high-quality one,
46:13 you get about a 50% yield.
46:15 The other 50% go back and use again.
46:18 So now we are spacing then out to a full year,
46:21 12 to 18 months, and that 12 to 18 months has to work
46:25 on not just the physical addiction,
46:27 but also the psychological addiction and the
46:30 spiritual deprivation that these people have.
46:33 And with a really good comprehensive program,
46:36 a 12 month program has about a 90% success rate.
46:39 That is amazing, because even when you talk about those
46:42 neural chemical things that have to repair itself,
46:45 that repairing happens within that time frame? - right!
46:49 The neuro-chemicals recover, but synapses start
46:53 firing again, neuro tracks start functioning again.
46:56 They grow new synapses new dendrites and it recovers some
47:00 function in areas that we thought had no function,
47:04 but it is not going to happen overnight.
47:06 You didn't get sick overnight, and you are not going
47:08 to get better overnight.
47:10 So Brian, you talked about even on the reservations
47:13 putting programs together and people are literally looking
47:16 at all that stuff right now.
47:17 I think that the best of the best programs, if it's
47:21 30 days for a meth addict, you are saying
47:23 it is not enough?
47:25 30 days in patient is a beginning, but it is not the
47:28 total picture, they need another several months of outpatient
47:32 intensive rehabilitation, past that 30 days.
47:36 And for the rest of the year, intensive
47:39 12-step participation where they have a place where
47:42 they can go, where people understand what
47:44 they are going through.
47:45 Somebody knows what it means to have a using dream,
47:47 talk about the time you had a using dream and
47:49 woke up screaming for it.
47:51 People who understand than then they can support
47:54 each other, but if you are in an environment where
47:57 nobody knows what you are dealing with,
48:00 you feel abandoned and you will use again.
48:02 Sometimes in a typical church environment people are
48:07 not educated enough to walk a meth and through recovery.
48:11 There are some specialized 12-step programs
48:13 for methamphetamines, one is Celebrate Recovery.
48:16 - I love that program.
48:17 That is a wonderful program.
48:18 - I used to run the program in my church.
48:21 - we have one in our church too, and it is so powerful
48:24 because it is real addicts talking to real addicts.
48:28 No phony stuff, no fill in the blanks, this is real life.
48:33 What is fun about those programs is that an addict
48:36 will come in and start trying to play somebody,
48:38 everybody in the room is like what's up, don't play me.
48:42 A normal group will be going, really your grandma is dead,
48:46 and you need 20 bucks?
48:50 Grandmother you know I never had a grandmother.
48:52 - It's like give it up.
48:54 So it is fun to be able to be with people that know,
48:59 and also to realize the length of recovery for folks.
49:03 I think we want people to stop using, and as soon as
49:07 they stop the next day we want them eating
49:08 brown rice and behaving, and it doesn't happen.
49:12 It is a process, you heal from the inside out.
49:15 Jesus will heal your heart first, anger, pain, shame,
49:20 guilt, He would heal all that stuff, that is
49:22 a spiritual thing, then we move on to your mind.
49:25 Attitudes, relationships, thought patterns,
49:28 and the last thing to change is your behavior.
49:30 You know what's interesting, I think you said this.
49:35 That track that I am so fascinated with is that we
49:39 repetitive right behavior and right choices really help
49:43 that to restore itself, so any discipline, exercising,
49:47 and getting out side and eating the right things,
49:49 any discipline behavior.
49:51 The in-patient rehab program, if I can't control myself by
49:56 my own initiative, maybe somebody else can control me.
50:00 So they put them in a rehab center where they make
50:03 them get up at six o'clock every morning, stand in
50:05 line and mop the floors, make the bed, do the stuff
50:07 you didn't want to do, because every time
50:09 you do something you did not want to do, you are
50:12 doing a bench press with your self-control track.
50:16 It grows new connections, new synapses, and
50:19 we regain function, but it doesn't happen in 28 days.
50:23 We learn this, and I think that as you learn this
50:26 and are working with addicts is when somebody says,
50:30 no I do not want to mop the floor, we live on a ranch.
50:33 I don't want to go pick up horse poop, I have to say,
50:36 I get excited because they are repairing damage in
50:39 their neuro chemistry, and even if they think it is about
50:42 horse poop, it is not right now.
50:44 This is repairing what the drug took from you.
50:48 So I can't even let them get out of the task.
50:51 It becomes easy and spontaneous and it is natural
50:55 to control those cravings and desires because
50:58 you've been scooping horse poop.
50:59 I love that, I love that, okay Curly do you have
51:03 horse poop, you have a question?
51:04 Horse poop to Curly, I'm doing good, I'm doing good.
51:08 I have a comment, you were talking earlier about how
51:12 paranoia sets in when people sit in their house with
51:15 the blinds shut, I laugh because I have been there.
51:19 You know, it's one night I spent the whole time
51:21 tiptoeing around the house so no one could hear me.
51:24 No one lived around me.
51:26 I woke up the next day and my calves were tight
51:28 and I thought man what happened?
51:30 That stuff happens, hiding in the closet I've done that.
51:33 You think someone is coming up to the door.
51:36 - people don't think that those are true stories.
51:39 - they are, and I laugh about it now, but it is real.
51:42 Those people that are watching this now, let me tell
51:46 you what, personally I know that stuff happens.
51:48 I am able to laugh at it now because there is
51:51 another side, there is something more than that.
51:54 Once you get there, it's such a good life and so
51:57 much better and you can look at that stuff and laugh
52:00 at it because you have been there and it is real.
52:02 There is probably someone watching now that may be at that
52:05 point, they just did it last night, something like that.
52:08 I want to let them know, man, get past it.
52:10 Once you take that initial step, life is so much better.
52:14 It is great and there is hope, give it to God and
52:18 let Him take care of it.
52:19 As your brain heals you start enjoying life again,
52:21 start laughing again.
52:23 That's right, I'm back to the point where I got my
52:27 funny back, for years, literally years, I would be
52:29 funny now and then but it was all about the drugs.
52:32 - now I got my funny back, I like that.
52:35 I love it, there's other things to do,
52:38 there is more than just drugs.
52:40 As you were starting to recover, what was interesting
52:43 was your whole eyes changed and they lit up.
52:48 You focus more and all that stuff.
52:51 It is fun to watch that, it's okay, it's happening.
52:54 - I'm a pretty good actor, I would go places after
52:57 a night of drugging and I will put on a show, but
53:00 I was miserable inside and around people you try
53:03 to make yourself put on that show because you don't
53:05 want them to know, you don't want them to know
53:07 you are using again or anything like that.
53:08 But you don't have to do that anymore, it's great.
53:11 Those people watching give it to the Lord and
53:14 He will take care of it and life is great.
53:16 That's amazing, you don't have to earn it,
53:19 He just does it.
53:20 No, not at all. You'll find so much more to do than
53:23 just sitting around trying to figure out where are am
53:26 I going to get my next high?
53:27 Where can I get the money for these drugs?
53:29 Everything you said, you hit it right on the head and
53:31 it is real, and that is what the people need to hear.
53:34 Don't sugarcoat it, that is how it is.
53:36 Someone is watching and going through it right now
53:37 and that is going to affect them to let them know
53:39 that hey, I can get past this.
53:41 This guy has done it.
53:42 And you actually get your brain back.
53:44 Yeah! Exactly what little I had to begin with,
53:47 it's functioning at full capacity now. It's great!
53:50 It's not so much that you do it, it is that He does
53:54 it with in you, He is holy within you, He is strong
53:58 within you, and it feels so natural and
54:01 spontaneous because He's doing it within you.
54:03 Yeah, exactly and when He does it for you,
54:05 you have to give it back to somebody else.
54:07 I just want to say it has been a blast.
54:09 We are going to have you on another show,
54:11 you have so much more to tell us.
54:14 You have written a number of books, and there are
54:16 CDs out if anybody wants to be educated on this.
54:18 Make sure you call 3ABN and definitely,
54:20 you have to be on another show, alright?
54:24 We have looked at a number of things.
54:27 Addiction is never an easy subject to look at,
54:30 especially when you look at everything it does.
54:32 One of the things I love, what makes it easy for me,
54:35 I know that we have a God that is a God of restoration.
54:39 Like Mary was saying, every single thing you damage,
54:43 your brain and your body is amazing,
54:47 it will start to working again,
54:49 it doesn't happen overnight but it will happen.
54:52 Stay with us, we are going to be right back!
54:54 Stay with us.
55:01 Cheri Peters uses the book, 'Coming Of The Comforter'
55:04 as a guide for the second season of Celebrating Life In
55:07 Recovery, written by Lee Roy E. Froom is a 320 page book
55:10 offers every sinner the knowledge that the
55:13 Holy Spirit is available to all.
55:15 3ABN now offers this book to you for a suggested donation
55:19 of only $13 postpaid within the US.
55:22 Call 3ABN at 618-627-4651 or go online to 3ABN.org.
55:42 I hope you heard this, and I hope you heard the
55:45 whole thing and I'm going to ask Mary do you have
55:48 any closing thoughts, something you want them
55:50 to walk away with?
55:52 I think people need to walk away understanding that
55:54 there is hope, that even with the devastating brain
55:57 damage associated with methamphetamines
55:59 there is recovery.
56:00 The Lord Jesus Christ restores with the locus has eaten.
56:05 He brings back memory, He brings back temper, to be able
56:09 to control your temper, start laughing and
56:11 cutting up again and enjoying life.
56:12 You will regain 90% or more than that of what you lost
56:18 to methamphetamine, the vast majority comes back.
56:22 It comes back very slowly, but once you start,
56:25 you will have bad days and sometimes the bad
56:27 days outnumber the good days, but over time you will heal.
56:31 You heal not just in your brain, you heal in your heart.
56:35 What I love about that is that you are saying,
56:38 don't expect, we talked about this on another show,
56:41 don't expect things to happen overnight.
56:43 If you are with somebody that you love,
56:45 if you're working with somebody,
56:46 if you have brother, sister, husband, wife that
56:48 has addictions, I don't care if it's just meth.
56:51 Meth is a serious one, but were talking all
56:53 addictions, drugs, alcohol, sex, gambling and
56:56 all that stuff does the same thing in our brain.
56:59 Make sure that you know that things take time
57:02 and give yourself time.
57:03 What I did in my own recovery, in between trying to
57:08 work on stuff and learn new things, I tried to have fun.
57:11 Go to the beach, take a walk, get out in nature.
57:14 I believe there is an inspired writer that says when
57:18 you are out in nature and walking around,
57:19 the Angels will minister to you.
57:22 I don't know if that's true but I love the thought.
57:24 Go out and look at how God created things around you.
57:28 Take some breaths, deep breaths because a lot of times
57:31 in our addictions we forget to breathe.
57:32 We forget to let the sun hit our skin and bring in
57:36 some vitamin D and those kind of things.
57:38 All that is important, eat good stuff, good stuff.
57:41 Put the snickers down, if you're starting to bite in
57:44 it now put it down, get a glass of water,
57:47 get an apple, get an orange, get something good.
57:49 Your body needs to be fed.
57:50 When you decide to make a commitment to either
57:55 somebody you love or to your own addiction, God steps
57:58 in and wow's you, absolutely wow's you because the steps
58:02 I took my own recovery, He wowed me.
58:05 All of a sudden I feel like I have more than
58:07 two brains cells and it's all because I have a God
58:09 that is crazy about me.
58:10 And remember that God is so crazy about you
58:13 and we are too.
58:15 So we will see you next time, make sure you come back
58:17 and make sure until then you take care of yourself,
58:20 every part of yourself, get outside and talk to God.