Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), Brian Cladoosby
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR000024
00:12 Welcome to Celebrating Life in Recovery, my name is Cheri,
00:14 your host and today were going to look at what happens
00:18 when the addictions and the recovery is generational,
00:21 not just individual stuff but generational.
00:23 Come and join us!
00:52 You know I love the way God works with us in recovery,
00:54 I love the fact that every single thing about me,
00:57 He stepped in.
00:58 He saw my twisted thinking, my belief systems about who
01:02 I was, that I wasn't worth anything and all that stuff.
01:06 He literally stepped in and taught me that I just could
01:10 do recovery and was worth everything to Him and
01:12 He would guide me.
01:13 If I was confused about something, I could pray that the
01:16 Holy Spirit teach me.
01:17 Within, I felt like minutes and sometimes it
01:20 wasn't minutes, sometimes it was weeks, sometimes it was
01:23 months but it just felt like in no time somebody would be
01:25 right in front of me and they were telling the very thing
01:28 that God was trying to teach me.
01:29 The Holy Spirit would be like, you know what, listen up.
01:32 I'm thinking this person has no idea that they are being
01:35 used by God, has no idea.
01:37 It was exciting to me, so as I got into recovery
01:41 I started relying on God and then thought, I wonder if
01:46 I could be involved in ministry?
01:48 I'm like shut up, how fun would that be?
01:51 The first time someone called me, it was interesting,
01:55 they called me from Alaska.
01:57 They say is this Cheri Peters? I'm like yes.
01:59 They say would you come and speak at our church in Alaska?
02:03 I'm like, get out, how fun is that?
02:06 I got so excited because I didn't even think that this
02:09 would really happen.
02:11 I know I was praying for ministry, but I didn't think
02:13 that God would let someone like me, a drug addict and homeless,
02:17 and all that stuff be in ministry.
02:19 Then I'm listening to this call and thinking,
02:22 yeah I would come.
02:23 They said how much do you charge, and when they said that
02:27 I wanted to put my hand over the phone and just man not
02:30 only do I get to work for God, but some is going to pay
02:33 me, how fun is that?
02:34 So I got back on the phone and said a hundred bucks.
02:37 They were like, how much do you speak for $100?
02:42 I think it I never shut up, you can just put me up in
02:45 front and I will talk whatever.
02:47 Because if you want me to talk about God I truly never
02:50 shut up and so they had me do 16 presentations in four
02:53 days, I was so exhausted.
02:56 16 presentations in four days, in Alaska.
02:59 Alaska is a big place so you are not just driving down
03:02 the street to another church, you are getting in small
03:05 planes going from place to place to place.
03:08 At 1 point I landed up in Dillingham Alaska and this guy
03:12 picked me up, and he was like a million years old.
03:15 Had on this old Marine hat and put me a little boat.
03:18 Took me across the water to Aleknagik Alaska and
03:22 I'm thinking, I'm like thinking I'm this missionary.
03:26 I'm in the wilderness and I was just having a blast.
03:29 But when I got to this place I realize that in Aleknagik
03:33 there was a lot of drugs and alcohol.
03:34 There was a lot of molest, a lot of abuses that were so
03:39 intense and all of a sudden where I was looking at this
03:43 as having fun and Nah-Nah-Nah-Nah.
03:44 God was really going to do something here.
03:46 And I met this little girl, a little girl.
03:48 She looked 9 to me, and she came up and held me.
03:52 Alaska is funny because they do this one thing.
03:55 I'm wondering if I could demonstrate with Teresa?
03:59 Come up here for a minute.
04:00 They do this one thing in Alaska that is really
04:03 interesting, is when they want to talk about their issues,
04:08 they will come up and say you know what I've had a hard
04:12 life and my husband, well even before then.
04:16 You know when I was little, and they will hold you
04:21 until they are done talking.
04:22 They could talk to you for 15 minute to 20 minutes and
04:26 they will hold you, and I have space issues.
04:29 I'm thinking, can you tell me from your seat?
04:32 They are like, well you know and they just hold you again.
04:36 Thank you Teresa.
04:37 What was really funny was they were just holding you.
04:40 I remember just thinking at first, when that first
04:42 happened to me, I'm thinking I'm just going to die.
04:44 My palms are sweating, I'm not sure how to act, and I am
04:48 hearing their whole story and it is interesting,
04:50 but I have space issues.
04:51 Anyhow I meet this little girl, she looks tiny,
04:53 she is actually 12 but looks 9.
04:55 She comes walking up to me, after I had told my story,
04:58 and I know she is going to hold me, right?
05:00 So I kneel down for her to do that because she is so tiny.
05:03 So I kneel down and she comes up and holds me and says,
05:07 Cheri my life is just like yours.
05:10 I'm thinking, no way.
05:13 I was molested since that was three months old.
05:15 I was with addicts growing up.
05:18 I had people that didn't know how to raise kids because
05:20 of the damage in their life.
05:21 If you know what I mean?
05:23 I was on the streets by the age of 12, 13 years old.
05:26 I have been abused in ways I can even share with people
05:29 and this beautiful little child is telling me her life was
05:32 like mine, and I'm thinking there's no way.
05:34 I remember as she was talking, she said someone gave me
05:38 your book, 'The Miracle from the Streets' book?
05:42 And she said yes.
05:43 It was the guy that was the thousand years old guy,
05:46 that picked me up, it was his ministry, in that place,
05:48 so he gives her a book.
05:49 She said while I was reading it, I was praying that God would
05:52 let me meet someone like you someday.
05:54 I thought oh, we have a God that says you know what,
05:58 if you pray I will move heaven and earth.
06:03 It wasn't anything about me, if would have been something
06:07 else and she would have read about someone else,
06:08 I think God would have brought that person, because it is
06:10 not about us, it's about God and this child.
06:13 Somebody needed to tell this child, I know that you are in
06:16 a place right now that your life may not feel like it is
06:19 in control, you may not feel like God is paying attention.
06:23 But God knows exactly where you are in Aleknagik Alaska.
06:27 This tiny little place.
06:29 The next time I get called from a person that has a
06:33 ministry that they are doing on an Indian reservation.
06:37 They were looking for some consult and doing drug and
06:41 alcohol stuff and she says, would we come in and speak?
06:44 I was working with a woman that had just buried her son
06:48 from a meth overdose and she was going to come with me.
06:51 We were going to do some stuff on fetal alcohol syndrome and
06:55 we were going to do some things on healing and recovery.
07:01 I get there, I don't know what to expect.
07:04 I had never been on a reservation,
07:05 and I don't even know what that meant.
07:07 The first time somebody said that they are not even part
07:10 of the United States.
07:11 I'm like shut up what does that mean?
07:13 This is their own country, so I'm in their country?
07:16 And then I am in our country? Do you know what I mean?
07:19 I'm thinking how fun is that.
07:20 So I'm excited to learn what I don't know and I get to
07:23 this reservation and I meet the coolest folks ever.
07:27 The coolest folks ever to have had a history that is
07:30 beyond what I can even understand,
07:32 even though I would love to.
07:33 I think I'm still limited, but we do a seminar.
07:36 I meet a woman named Jesse, I met a ton of folks.
07:40 We got adopted and it was fun.
07:42 I met Brian Cladoospy at the school.
07:46 Let me introduce you to those in the café before
07:49 I go on with this story.
07:50 Brian Cladoospy we are going to hear your story today.
07:52 I am so thrilled that you are here, absolutely thrilled.
07:55 Teresa, you already let me just hug all over you.
07:57 So thank you for that.
07:59 Heather, we have Shawn, and Amy and Anthony.
08:02 Thank you for coming, and I really want to say thank you
08:05 for coming and you are going to be so blessed today.
08:09 What Brian is going to share with us will change how we
08:12 view other cultures, and definitely give us understanding
08:16 that we are all fighting the same battles.
08:19 It is amazing to me.
08:23 So I met Brian and Nina your wife and your children,
08:27 and your father, Who did the smoked salmon?
08:30 My dad. Your dad, oh man, we came in and the food was
08:36 amazing, the company was amazing.
08:37 His dad has a smokehouse that he does salmon.
08:43 I know if you are a vegetarian vegan you won't even
08:46 understand this ever in your life, but it was amazing.
08:49 I take some home to my husband, my husband says I'm going to
08:53 visit that guy because it was amazing.
08:56 We had a great time.
08:58 That year I met a woman named Jesse also.
09:01 Jesse had just lost her son, 16 years old in a car
09:06 accident and drug and alcohol was involved.
09:08 I could tell, just devastated and then I find out that
09:14 the losses with all age groups, alcoholism and drugs
09:20 and driving the losses are tremendous.
09:22 I ended up coming back the next year, I would love to go
09:26 every year for the rest of my life, I was blessed.
09:29 In fact, I would just love to move there.
09:32 Anyhow, the next you're a comeback and meet Jesse again.
09:36 At the end of the seminar we did that time,
09:38 I was exhausted and we have been speaking.
09:41 Chris Chapman was with me, which the woman who had just
09:45 lost her son, and we had two other young folks with us.
09:48 We were exhausted, but we were leaving their to go speak
09:51 at Walla Walla which is a college and we were going to do
09:54 chapel and knew we had enough time to get to
09:58 Walla Walla and do chapel.
10:00 It was a lot more than that, so we were saying we needed
10:03 them to go and Nah-Nah-Nah-Nah and Jesse came up to me and
10:06 said that her second son, her living son is in rehab.
10:11 Would you go visit him?
10:13 I'm thinking, oh, we have to get to Walla-Walla and
10:17 I have this gig and I'm looking at this mother.
10:20 I know this thing she has gone through and my heart,
10:24 I have already made connections with her and I love her.
10:28 I know I can't go visit her son because
10:30 we don't have time.
10:31 So I try to say that in a nice way and I feel sad.
10:36 She feels sad so I walk away and go to the bathroom.
10:40 And the Holy Spirit says, shame on you.
10:43 You get out there and go visit her son.
10:46 I just felt like, I usually don't feel like God spanks me,
10:50 I felt like I was spanked.
10:51 You go out there and tell her the commitments that you
10:54 have and let her make the decision on whether you go
10:57 to Walla-Walla right now or visit her son.
11:00 So I told her the whole thing, I said that it is up to
11:02 you, what should I do?
11:04 What do you think she said? Go visit my son!
11:08 So I'm thinking, let's get some folks and Brian,
11:13 I asked you and Nina and some other council members.
11:18 Jesse and her husband and I think there was
11:22 11 or 12 of us.
11:23 We get there and I realized when were getting to the
11:26 hospital that it is a locked psychiatric unit.
11:29 Stop, it's not visiting hours.
11:32 We have no permission to go in there.
11:35 Nobody knows us, so I am thinking oh man,
11:38 so we have to pray like crazy.
11:40 We have Chris Chapman and this whole group of folks and
11:43 we are praying like crazy.
11:44 God You have to do something, You have to do something.
11:47 So we prayed, let's just go in.
11:50 We go in and when Brian comes up,
11:53 I want him to verify this.
11:54 We go in, there is a guy at the desk and he is writing
11:58 something, and he is supposed to check people in.
12:00 He is writing something and not paying attention, 12 of us
12:05 walk in, he never looks up, not one time did he look up.
12:10 So Brian says, maybe we are just invisible.
12:13 And he doesn't look up, and I'm thinking,
12:17 how funny is this?
12:18 Were trying to figure out what we do now because
12:21 we probably should say hey buddy.
12:24 He is alive, he has his eyes open and his breathing and
12:28 writing something down, but it is as if we were invisible.
12:32 So we just walked by, we walked by and go to the elevator
12:37 and we are in this locked down psychiatric unit now.
12:42 We are up at the nurses station.
12:43 This is the funniest thing to me, because they look at you
12:46 like, there is not just one or two of us at the nurses
12:49 station, there is all of us.
12:51 It's like, can I help you? Who sent you here?
12:55 If you want to have fun just say this in a psychiatric
12:59 unit, God! and they are like are you nuts?
13:03 Are you so nuts? I'm going to talk to my supervisor.
13:07 The supervisor was a Christian woman who not only let us
13:11 come in, but she let us have our own room.
13:13 She let us have some video stuff so we could show a little
13:16 PSA and what was amazing is that we went and
13:20 talked to Jesse's son.
13:22 I'm going to let Brian tell you the rest of the story when
13:25 he comes up, but we talked to Jesse's son.
13:27 We ministered to him and Brian, being the tribal leader,
13:34 got to pray for him and bless him.
13:36 In a lot of places, you don't realize when a man of God
13:42 comes in and prays over somebody, it's huge.
13:45 I watch that with Brian, when Brian Blessed him I could
13:47 watch and know what that meant to this boy.
13:51 It was amazing.
13:54 Now I have to back up, stay with me.
13:57 Back up, I was at 3ABN right before that and Danny said
14:03 to me, Cheri would you go to Russia?
14:08 I'm thinking, yes how fun is that?
14:12 I'm thinking how fun is that! I would love to go.
14:16 So I get home and I tell my husband, I'm going to Russia.
14:20 To do ministry, and he was like where at?
14:23 Um, well I forgot to ask.
14:28 My husband was like what! You forgot to ask!
14:32 When are you going? I forgot to ask.
14:36 I'll find out though, so I called back and I said,
14:39 Danny, when are you going to Russia?
14:43 He said, no not us, your team!
14:45 I didn't have a heart to tell them I didn't have a team.
14:48 I said okay thank you very much and I hung up.
14:52 I'm thinking oh man, so I so believe in God, I so trust
14:56 Him, I so trust the Holy Spirit and if you ever want to
14:59 honestly get into recovery you have to get to the place
15:03 where you so trust Him.
15:04 So I said, God, You bring the team together,
15:08 light them up because when I travel I want ahead light to
15:13 be on them so we know who it is.
15:15 So now when were back at the psychiatric unit and we are
15:18 doing all that stuff and getting ready to leave, Brian
15:22 says to me, while, does this happen to you every place
15:25 you go, because it was absolutely a miracle to watch
15:28 the healing, to watch us get in, to watch God open all the
15:31 doors, and I said you know it does.
15:33 He said, some day I'd like to go somewhere with you then.
15:36 How about Russia? He looked at me like, what?
15:42 I said well, and Bryant ended up going to Russia with us.
15:45 So I'm going to show you a PSA that happened in Russia.
15:48 Then I'm going to end this story and let you meet Brian,
15:51 because he is amazing. He is just delightful.
15:54 So I'm going to show you this PSA, we did this PSA when
15:57 we were in Russia because we went there for six weeks
15:59 to work with heroine addicts.
16:01 As God open doors, I'm amazed at one door that opens,
16:04 and then another door opens and another door opens.
16:07 Every single time a door opens, every single time you
16:10 reach out and do ministry, every single time you are a
16:14 part of allowing someone else to heal because you are
16:17 bringing them to a place where God can work with them.
16:20 You heal your self.
16:22 I'm going to show you some film that we shot in Russia.
16:25 Then we will take a break and come back and
16:27 I will introduce you to Brian Cladoospy. Stay with us!
16:33 The quick spreading of drugs around the world didn't bypass
16:36 Russia, according to different sources 3 to 8 million
16:41 people in Russia are on drugs now.
16:44 Every day on the news there are reports about
16:48 young people who have died over drug overdose.
16:51 For 18 nights 3ABN Russian Evangelistic Center held
16:56 meetings for people with various kinds of addictions.
17:01 People were struck by the honesty and openness of Cheri
17:05 and her friends as they told the stories of their lives.
17:10 Only Heaven will know how many people made their first
17:15 step toward recovery during these meetings.
17:18 The visit of Cheri and her friends shows the Russian
17:22 people again, how much God loves and cares for Russia.
17:27 No one, not even a drug addict or alcoholic
17:31 is forgotten by God.
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18:18 What is really fun about the video you just saw,
18:21 or some of the film you just saw, is that while we were
18:24 there we had heroine addicts come in.
18:27 We had homeless folks coming up and I want to talk
18:30 a little bit about that, but isn't that true about the
18:33 psychiatric unit? It sure is.
18:35 It was a blast and I think that was like the first time
18:38 I really, really got to meet you.
18:39 Going there and praying with Sonny turned around his life.
18:44 He said to say hi, it was about seven years ago now and he
18:48 is married, got a little baby boy. - And is he clean?
18:52 He is clean and sober and has been ever since.
18:55 Yes, I did say that, I think we're invisible.
18:58 It was crazy stuff. - and the nurse when we got up there
19:02 was like how did you people get up here?
19:04 It was just amazing, but when we left there and get out in
19:06 the parking lot, you say Brian, by the way,
19:09 do you want to go to Russia?
19:11 You don't remember this, but the first thing
19:13 I said was, no! That was my response.
19:16 I just didn't want to hear it though.
19:18 But I said no, and of course Nina is saying,
19:21 you half to go, you half to go and I'm like no way
19:24 I am not going to Russia.
19:25 But once again, a Holy Spirit says,
19:27 you're going to Russia.
19:29 I want to talk about the Holy Spirit saying that to you.
19:32 Tell us who you are, what is your role in the tribe, and how
19:38 did you become a Christian?
19:40 That surprised me when I found that out.
19:41 Well growing up I got a chance to do a little bit of the
19:45 Pentecostal church, I had grown up next to a Catholic
19:49 church so I got to do catechism with the priest and the
19:53 nuns, and then the Jehovah witnesses, they came around for
19:57 awhile and then the Mormons came around.
19:59 So you were all of those? Yeah, sure.
20:02 Plus we had a traditional religion called Seon and we have
20:05 a native religion called the Shaker church and so my
20:09 grandma and grandpa were really strong in the
20:12 Shaker church, so growing up I got a little bit.
20:14 By eight years old I had two brothers that were teenagers
20:18 in the 60s, so if anybody grew up in the 60s and remember.
20:21 So I had two teenage brothers
20:24 - I heard if you remember you really didn't grow up.
20:26 So I had two teenage brothers had alcohol was prevalent in
20:31 our life, my great-grandfather was an alcoholic.
20:34 My grandfather was an alcoholic, my father and my mother
20:37 were alcoholics, so alcohol was just around the house.
20:40 They thought it would be cool to see an eight-year-old
20:43 drunk, so they got me drunk when I was eight years old.
20:46 Growing up in that lifestyle was pretty tough.
20:49 By the time you are 12 you your basketball
20:53 coach has a whole team in the locker room that gets
20:56 you stone on marijuana at 12.
20:58 Ah, we won the championship that year.
21:00 So this is really not a joke? - not a joke.
21:03 In the locker room at 12 years old smoking marijuana.
21:07 Two years later my cousin gave me window pane, some of you
21:11 know that as acid, LSD.
21:13 That was the scariest thing I ever did,
21:15 and never did it again.
21:17 At 16 your Christmas present was a half gallon BV or
21:20 Black Velvet whiskey and so it is only through the grace
21:24 of God that I am here today.
21:26 So your addiction, growing up, was pretty intense then?
21:31 - Very intense. - you partied a lot?
21:33 All the time. My 8th grade picture, from the eighth-grade
21:37 party, was me and my friend holding a 16 ounce bottle of
21:41 Lucky Logger, eighth grade.
21:44 That was eighth-grade graduation.
21:46 So it's through the grace of God that I am here today with
21:49 you, but growing up.
21:52 - some are your friends aren't here?
21:54 Yes, I've got 20 friends my age group, that I grew up
21:58 with, that are buried and dead right now because of the
22:01 drugs, alcohol and suicide.
22:03 That is only the friends on my reservation.
22:07 I grew up on an Indian reservation, born there, raised
22:11 there, if the Lord doesn't come back by the time I die,
22:14 they will bury me there.
22:16 Right now the statistics are 20% of the kids under 12 have
22:21 already used drugs and alcohol in Indian country.
22:24 Sometimes there's a 92% addiction among the tribes.
22:28 - yes, yes it is really sad, it's really sad.
22:31 So fortunately I found a very, very, God sent me a very
22:38 beautiful lady and her name is Nina.
22:40 - she is beautiful. - she is awesome.
22:42 So we'll just say hi Nina.
22:43 We will be celebrating our 30th wedding anniversary coming
22:47 up this March. - Was she a Christian?
22:49 - No, she was in the same road I grew up in.
22:53 - partying? - partying and sharing alcohol with the
22:59 dad and the uncles.
23:04 About 1985 her brother, they had built an Adventist church
23:11 on the Leame reservation where she was from.
23:13 So her brother invited her to go to that church and
23:16 she went, I didn't.
23:18 She finally got me to go, her grandmother was a strong
23:21 Adventist, so that was a strong.
23:23 - she tricked you didn't she?
23:24 Ah, I was a little reluctant Christian in this family,
23:28 but I love her so much I said okay I will go.
23:31 I was just playing a Christian early on, it wasn't real.
23:38 Not for me, but we decided that the partying and fighting,
23:44 partying and fighting wasn't working so we decided to
23:47 bring God into our lives.
23:49 We went to, of course, the different churches that I grew
23:52 up in and they just didn't work for me.
23:54 She said well let's go to the Adventist church and
23:56 so we did and have been there ever since.
23:59 What I do now is, I'm the leader of my tribe.
24:03 So how did that happen? Coming from this partying to when
24:05 you got into religion which probably cleaned everything up
24:08 and then decided to make changes.
24:10 How did you get into being the leader of the tribe?
24:13 When I was 24 I decided I wanted to try tribal politics.
24:17 What so that was 24 years ago.
24:19 My head is going like,... I finally caught up.
24:25 Okay, so I decided to get it to tribal politics,
24:29 but I wasn't clean and sober at that time at 24,
24:33 I was still going through my roaring 20s.
24:35 It wasn't until about four years later that I cleaned my
24:41 life up and about my 12 year in tribal politics my cousin
24:45 told me he was going to throw my name in for the tribal
24:49 chairman, which is the leader of the tribe.
24:51 That was 11 years ago now, my math might be wrong,
24:55 yeah, this is the 11th year of being leader of the tribe.
24:57 It is an elected position, we serve five-year terms
25:00 and I as the chairman, serve year to year and
25:03 it's the greatest job.
25:05 It's so awesome.
25:07 Because you can really step in and make a difference?
25:12 - Make a big difference, yes. - which is huge!
25:15 Which is huge! - even what I didn't realize that even
25:18 with how the reservation is looked up as far as Washington
25:23 DC, and legislatively and all that, is that you make a
25:28 difference on every level.
25:30 Yes, yes, I interact with mayors, local mayors with county
25:34 commissioners, with US senators, with state senators
25:39 and Congressman, with governors.
25:41 The governor of Washington now and I are really, really
25:44 good friends and politics is good.
25:47 My job right now is to try to make the lives of my tribal
25:52 members better, and we have a belief that you have to look
25:56 out for the seventh generation that we don't inherit this
26:00 land from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.
26:05 - that is an incredible point of view.
26:07 Yes it is, it is not we are here and we have to use up
26:12 every natural resource we can while we are here,
26:14 so forget about what the next generation has.
26:17 Our belief is that we have two make sure the next
26:19 generation, the seventh generation down the road,
26:22 has just as much or more than what we've are given
26:24 when we were here.
26:25 I saw, somebody shared with me when we were at Black Hills.
26:29 I can't remember what tribe it was, but they shared with
26:32 me a film about the seventh generation and trying to
26:35 explain that, but they also talked about this generation,
26:38 from the Trail of tears, and that people are making
26:42 commitments coming out of drugs and alcohol and really
26:45 trying, let's get away from all this damage and
26:50 stand up for who we are as a people.
26:53 When you think about it, about the Irish culture,
26:56 or the German culture, or the French culture, alcohol has
27:00 been a part of their lifestyle for centuries.
27:04 When you think about my tribe, alcohol was introduced
27:08 about 150 years ago, so that is not very long to have
27:11 alcohol part of your culture.
27:13 So we haven't been able to adapt as well as the other
27:16 cultures, and I don't think they've been able to adapt
27:20 either, but for some reason the alcoholism rate in
27:23 Indian country is a way, way higher than any other part
27:26 of the US cultures.
27:28 One statistic you don't hear though, is that there are
27:32 more non-alcoholics in Indian country than any other parts,
27:35 so on the reservation you are either alcoholic
27:39 or you are a non-alcoholic like myself.
27:42 I have been clean and sober for 18 years now.
27:45 So there is not too many social drinkers in
27:48 Indian country. - You do it or you don't.
27:50 Yes, yes exactly and we are seeing more and more of our
27:53 tribal members getting away from drugs and alcohol.
27:57 It all relates to your mental, your physical and your
28:01 spiritual health and poverty is a big thing in Indian
28:06 country, the uneducated workforce is a big thing in
28:09 Indian country so we are trying to reverse that.
28:13 The Swinomish tribe, either way that's the tribe I'm from.
28:16 The Swinomish tribe. - well let's get back to Russia,
28:20 we'll go back to Russia and then come back. - okay!
28:24 when we were in Russia, one thing that was amazing to me,
28:27 as you shared where you are from, because you came in
28:31 as a leader of your tribe, and your nation or council.
28:35 You came in with this incredible message of who God is.
28:39 And that really our battle is bigger than our politics.
28:42 Even our politics are as important as Christian the
28:45 battle is bigger, and this is a nation in Russia
28:47 that had just politically fallen.
28:50 If you remember when we were going over to Russia,
28:54 my part of the program was to talk about doctrine and
28:57 Scripture and things like that and when we get there
29:00 that gets thrown out the window.
29:02 They say no we don' want this, we don't want a seminar.
29:05 They were serious about that.
29:06 They don't want a seminar, we don't want you to just
29:08 get up there, we want to hear your life story.
29:11 We want to hear that there is hope how we can get
29:13 away from drugs. - Yes you tell us your life story
29:16 and things that have happened to you related
29:19 to drugs and alcohol.
29:20 So the first day there we had to rewrite our script on
29:24 everything that we had to do over the next 4 to 6 weeks.
29:28 But when you think about drugs and alcohol its universal.
29:32 It's not just the thing in Indian culture, or the white
29:35 culture, or the Russian, or the Irish, its universal.
29:39 Satan has weaved so many lies around drugs and alcohol
29:42 then it is sad to see the effects of it.
29:45 I remember when we first got there and people started
29:48 bringing in their children strung out on heroin.
29:51 So in Russia there was a lot of alcoholism with the older
29:55 generation but this generation between 15 to 20 to 25,
30:00 they were strung out on heroin.
30:02 With HIV, with tuberculosis and all that stuff, and that
30:06 surprised me as they started to arrive.
30:08 Yes, when you think about our society, we went through drug
30:11 revolution in the 60s, Russia was just starting to do that
30:14 in the late 90s and early 2000.
30:18 So they are starting to see what we seen in the 60s,
30:22 the acid, the heroin, and the cocaine, and the marijuana,
30:25 and it was sad to see, but that is the way it is
30:31 all around the world.
30:33 Some of these individuals, that came that asked to be
30:36 prayed for, I don't really know if you know that one
30:39 gentleman that had tuberculosis.
30:41 He was an alcoholic - Alexander. - yeah, I'm not sure.
30:45 Is the one we took the lunch? - yes he came in for lunch
30:50 and he looked terrible, like he hadn't showered in who knows
30:55 how long, his clothes were filthy, his hair and his beard,
30:59 he was just a mess.
31:01 So that was at lunch and Cheri said, well I hope the next
31:04 time I see you, you were cleaned up, clean and sober.
31:08 Like the demoniac, when Jesus took all the demons out of him
31:11 and cleaned him up and he was in his right mind.
31:12 So we hustled this guy up to the room that we were staying
31:16 in and we had him shower, and we had him shave,
31:20 and we gave him our clothes to put on and then walked him
31:24 back down. - I couldn't believe it, I was thinking
31:27 who is this guy? - exactly!
31:31 What was interesting to me, is that even when we were in
31:35 Russia, is that they so didn't believe that people could
31:39 come out of that kind of damage.
31:41 Once you are an alcoholic, once you are trashed, once you
31:44 generationally have been trashed,
31:46 you are just throw a way.
31:48 It is like being able to say that is so not true.
31:51 We have to change our mindset on that.
31:54 You are saying that as a nation, in your world, you're
31:59 saying that to everyone is that it is not true.
32:01 We actually can walk into healing, we can restore what
32:07 was taken away. - yes, yes we have a saying in
32:11 Indian country that we have to break the cycle.
32:14 That is true of any culture in any society where you have
32:19 to break the cycle.
32:20 As I told my great grandfather, my father and I were all into
32:24 drugs and alcohol and so they say it takes two generations
32:28 to break the cycle.
32:29 So thank God I don't do drugs and alcohol, and I thank God
32:34 that my two daughters don't do drugs and alcohol.
32:35 And they are having a fun life, tell about the daughter
32:39 that got married, talk about her and her husband.
32:41 Tyler and Lavonne, she works for Weimer.
32:45 - and this is a health center call this?
32:49 Yes, yes it's a health college in Northern California.
32:53 Tyler, he works for Doug Bachelor at Amazing Facts.
32:57 He was actually one of the first students in the College
33:02 Of Evangelism, the Genesis.
33:04 I was at your house when they were going to go, and I
33:07 remember thinking, oh, you guys are going to have a blast.
33:10 My daughter, Lavonne, she went to school close to a
33:18 Navy base, she went to school there, she lived there and
33:20 she worked there and I was teasing her saying,
33:22 you are going to find a Navy boy aren't you?
33:24 She said, yeah, right dad!
33:25 Sure enough she met Tyler who was in the Navy.
33:29 The first time he met us was at our Adventist Church,
33:34 Lavonne brought him.
33:36 He was partying the night before so he still smelled
33:41 like a brewery and yeah that was his first trip
33:46 to an Adventist church, hung over from partying all night.
33:50 You know how fun God is? God is like that is all right.
33:53 Welcome home. - that is fine,
33:55 we will take you as you are.
33:58 So the next year he sat Nina and I and said, I would like to
34:03 marry LaVonne, and Nina said, oh great!
34:05 Guess what, we're going to start Bible studies right away.
34:07 You know I did that with my daughter's boyfriend.
34:12 That's too funny!
34:14 So we had Leo Screven's tapes, - he's been on the show
34:19 and so was Leo Screven that had a hand in helping convert
34:24 Tyler and he was baptized and is doing great now.
34:28 They're going to make me a grandpa for the first time.
34:31 - Amen! They will be celebrating their eighth wedding
34:34 anniversary August 15, this August.
34:37 - how exciting, they are doing great.
34:40 Before we get on to Mary, talking about Mary and what she
34:43 is doing, I know that Leo has talked on our show about
34:47 he can do something in five minutes, but you also saw him
34:51 do that, can you explain that?
34:52 I witnessed it, Leo was doing a seminar in
34:57 Everett Washington and my brother had just completed
35:01 a canoe journey, and it is an amazing journey.
35:04 Is that, that paddle? - yes, it is done yearly.
35:08 We just finished The Paddle Yalom.
35:09 We had probably 10,000 people, close to a hundred canoes
35:13 traveling from as far away as northern Canada
35:17 down to southern Washington waters.
35:19 My brother did marijuana for 25 years and smoked
35:24 cigarettes for 30 years. - lots of cigarettes too!
35:28 Yes, his goal in life was to be able to smoke marijuana
35:32 until he died, he envisioned himself with a tube in his
35:36 throat smoking marijuana through that tube.
35:39 I told him about Leo, that Leo said he could get people
35:44 to stop smoking in five minutes, I was skeptical,
35:47 but I went there with my brother and sure enough.
35:50 Three Scriptures out of the Bible and that night Tony
35:54 walked away cold turkey, not having any cravings or
35:57 anything for marijuana again.
35:58 No withdraws and he was never smoking again?
36:01 He was actually baptized at that seminar that he attended.
36:04 He was into the Adventist church.
36:08 Tony's life was like mine, but he loved every drug,
36:14 everything, where I didn't like LSD, acid, he took them
36:19 all, he out there was a drug out there.
36:22 Yeah and five minutes. Yeah five minutes!
36:24 I witnessed it, through the power of the Holy Spirit.
36:30 So your daughter is not drug, alcoholic and working
36:36 Weimer, married to Tyler.
36:39 Tyler did evangelism for while and now he is working at
36:43 Amazing Facts, right?
36:45 Tyler has done evangelism seminars for Amazing Facts all
36:48 over the nation, from California, New Mexico,
36:51 Oklahoma, the East Coast.
36:54 We have to have him on the show.
36:55 Yeah Tyler is an amazing kid, I call him a kid.
36:59 So Mary is in college? Mary is in college.
37:03 It's her third year in college and she's doing great.
37:05 Working for the tribes, she's got to be
37:07 a GIS mapping specialist.
37:10 - I'm not even going to ask you what that is.
37:13 Thank you! But tell her I said hi. - I will.
37:16 So even when you were talking about the paddle, that
37:20 whole thing, wasn't that somehow representative of making
37:25 a change, making a commitment as far, what does that
37:29 represent, that 10,000 people or so coming?
37:32 Our culture in the last hundred years has been revolving
37:35 around a lot around drugs and alcohol unfortunately.
37:39 When you think about 150 years ago there was no drugs,
37:43 there was no alcohol, there was no diseases in
37:45 our society, can you imagine that?
37:47 - I can't even imagine that. - I can't either!
37:49 It was almost a perfect society where all your needs were
37:52 taking care of. - by the land.
37:54 We had a belief that we were one with nature.
37:58 We were not better than the animals, we weren't better
38:01 than the plants, we worked better than the trees,
38:03 we were one with them.
38:04 So we knew that it was God's creation and so we respected
38:08 it, when the Lord allowed our hunters to have a deer,
38:12 they actually, after the deer's life was taken, they would sit
38:16 down and pray and thank God for allowing that.
38:19 It was awesome so our society was amazing to think about.
38:25 I can just sometimes close my eyes and think what it
38:28 must've been like, you would have 3,4 or 5 generations
38:31 under one roof and it is amazing to think about.
38:34 So in the last hundred years drugs, alcohol.
38:37 - all of that has been broken up,
38:39 it just breaks families up and destroys that.
38:42 Well the non-Indian had a philosophy in the late 1900's
38:46 to assimilate Indians and make them into white men was their
38:50 plan and that included the boarding schools were your kids
38:53 were taken at 6 years old and made to spend just
38:57 about 9 to 10 months in a boarding school.
39:00 That experience was horrendous.
39:02 Not allowed to speak their own language?
39:04 Not allowed to speak their own language, their customs.
39:06 They had to cut their hair off and everything.
39:10 I've met people that I sat with that are older,
39:15 they have told me that story because they were one of
39:17 the kids in the boarding school.
39:19 They would weep telling me the story.
39:20 How they were so, where is my folks? All those things.
39:25 So the hurt and the damage that was done is significant.
39:29 I know that we don't have a clue and cannot understand
39:33 that. - no, the mental abuse and physical abuse,
39:36 the verbal abuse, the sexual abuse that occurred at these
39:40 institutions, they were doing the right thing I think,
39:44 but they did it the wrong way.
39:45 You know where they were trying to educate and
39:49 introduce the Indians into the white man's society
39:53 and it was a failure.
39:55 So my grandfather went through that experience and because his
39:59 taste of education was based on that boarding school, education
40:03 wasn't important part, if this is what education is,
40:07 my kids aren't going to.
40:09 My mom's generation, and my dad's generation,
40:12 education wasn't a priority.
40:14 So in 75 my brother was the first win in our family ever
40:17 to walk down and get a diploma.
40:19 It was amazing.
40:22 So now coming back in and saying, at this point how do we
40:27 bring healing to that kind of damage?
40:30 Because we talk about personal damage on this show all
40:33 the time, we talk about recovery, and I never think of
40:36 recovery as a nation, as a people group recovering from
40:39 things that generationally have been given to you.
40:45 It's not just Indian, it's every one of us that has
40:49 this generational thing that somehow it gets us hooked.
40:54 We don't even know why I am so lost in this.
40:56 But somebody has to say, that is what I feel like it's
41:00 incredible right now with the seventh generation and with
41:03 people standing up, is that even as a nation people are
41:05 saying enough, where incredible folks.
41:08 Just to wrap this up to let you know what we're doing real
41:11 quickly, the Swinomish with alcohol and drug programs.
41:14 We commit $350,000 a year to a drug and alcohol program with
41:18 counselors, education is the top priority for us.
41:21 You have to see how important education is, and
41:24 so when our kids graduate and get a GED we give them
41:27 $24,000 scholarship to the school of their choice.
41:30 Because you are saying we want to so equip you?
41:33 Yes, yes. - I'm going to open it up for questions.
41:37 I know people have questions.
41:38 As we go in that direction I want to remind everyone to
41:43 pray for Brian, pray for what they are doing because
41:47 I just know that things are going to turn around.
41:51 Okay Amy do you have a question?
41:54 Yeah, with what we have been talking about I can relate.
41:58 I come from a generation of alcoholics myself.
42:01 My mother was an alcoholic and she was killed in a car
42:04 accident, I was 18 months so I never got to know her.
42:08 You are talking about how you help alcoholics with
42:12 whatever, I was wanting to know do you have
42:15 rehabilitation centers in the tribe, or how does that work?
42:19 Our tribe does not have a rehabilitation center on the
42:22 Reservation, but there are a number of rehabs centers
42:25 around the state that we send our tribal members to.
42:30 Of course, sometimes we have repeat offenders, I don't
42:34 know if that is the right word, but sometimes we have
42:38 to send them two or three times.
42:40 My father went through that, and thank God when he was
42:45 43 years old, the doctor gave him a choice of quitting
42:51 drinking or to keep drinking and we will bury you within
42:56 a year and so that was in 1976 that my dad made
43:00 the decision and he is going to be 74 years old.
43:03 He was one of those that went to the treatment center
43:07 two or three times, but thank God he has been clean
43:11 and sober now since 76.
43:13 What a lot of people don't know is that, the average
43:16 person that is struggling with drugs and alcohol will
43:19 fall may be seven times, so they're saying the average,
43:22 some little bit more, some less.
43:24 Your dad going three is actually all right.
43:26 He's just smarter than average one.
43:29 I think I fell like crazy, but when you work with somebody
43:34 that is struggling know that it may not happen the first
43:38 time, but don't give up on them.
43:40 Don't stop praying for them and don't stop intervening.
43:43 Because some at one point, like what happened with Leo
43:46 and your uncle, your brother was at one point,
43:50 for whatever reason, somebody says something,
43:53 shares something and you get it and it's done.
43:58 To this day we ran into one of our old drug dealers.
44:01 I did, going across to ferry where I live and he said,
44:04 how is Tony, I said Tony is a born again Christian.
44:07 Shut up, get out of here, Tony, no way.
44:10 So one of our old drug dealers was blown away.
44:14 I love that, and I love the fact that you,
44:18 in your position, people know you as a kid and know what
44:22 you have gone through, now you can bless them as a
44:25 man of God, in this position and say you don't have to
44:29 give your life away to drugs and alcohol.
44:31 That's one thing about tribal politics, you get a lot of
44:33 skeletons in your closet and everybody knows.
44:35 Because it is a small area!
44:37 It's not like outside politics where they find something
44:41 in your pass and uses it against you.
44:43 Here they forgive you. - that is way cool.
44:46 Any more questions, how about Teresa?
44:48 Well what do you say to those people who justify
44:52 themselves of the fact that they drink alcohol because
44:55 it is part of their culture?
44:57 I am going to give you an example, because my country,
45:01 Ecuador, especially men, it is so normal for everybody to
45:06 say it is right to drink alcohol.
45:09 So they justify it by saying it's okay everybody does
45:12 it at home because it is part of our culture.
45:15 What do you say to those people?
45:17 Fortunately and unfortunately have only had alcohol
45:21 in our culture for 150 years, like I said we were
45:25 introduced 150 years ago into our culture.
45:28 So we've only gone through seven generations.
45:30 Actually the children growing up now are the seventh
45:33 generation from when the white man first came into our
45:38 society, so for 2 or 3 generations it was normal it was
45:43 normal for our men and women to be drinking a lot of
45:48 alcohol and fortunately we are starting to see more and
45:53 more of our elders stand up.
45:56 They have gone through drug and alcoholism saying this
45:59 isn't part of our culture and we need to stop.
46:02 So we are seeing more and more of our elders stepping
46:05 forward and saying this has to stop.
46:08 Where people are saying it is enough, that it is becoming
46:13 the norm, for people to say this is not who we are.
46:16 Yes, fortunately it has not been part of our culture for
46:21 that long, so when my grandfather did it or my great-
46:25 grandfather did it, well so it doesn't mean
46:29 you have to do it.
46:30 Incredible, one more question how about Heather?
46:33 I'm just curious, you have been talking about having
46:37 a lot of programs in place for people who are recovering
46:40 from alcohol, how about spouses?
46:43 Do you have anything in place for a person who doesn't
46:48 drink but has a spouse that drinks?
46:52 It is like when in a 12 step program like Al-Anon.
46:56 If you have been around that and have addicts in your
47:00 family, do you have any programs for people that
47:03 are just enablers, any co-dependents in the group?
47:07 Unfortunately no, we don't have anything, I don't quite
47:12 understand the question still.
47:13 You know co-dependency? - yes - so a lot of times
47:17 you clean up the alcoholic and then you have all these
47:20 codependence, for every alcoholic, or anyone lost in
47:24 drugs, they have probably 35 people around them
47:26 that have enabled them for ever.
47:28 So do you have anything in place or families, or family
47:34 units when addiction is involved?
47:35 We do have programs set up and it starts from youth.
47:39 A youth program set up.
47:40 Just to teach those kind of things? - yes.
47:44 You have addictions and behaviors?
47:46 Yes and we work with them throughout adults and it is so
47:51 cool that we have every year a sobriety dinner
47:54 to celebrate, we started that in 2000.
47:59 Our goal, when you come in to the dinner you sign in and
48:03 put the amount of years you have been sober.
48:07 So our goal in 2000 was to have 2000 in 2000.
48:10 At least 2000 years of sobriety, so we ended up with 2500
48:15 years of sobriety.
48:16 All of tribal members, and we gave a gift out to those
48:21 that were sober the longest and 57 years was an elder that
48:26 had never ever done drugs or alcohol in her life.
48:29 The shortest was one day, and so they got a gift for being
48:34 sober for one day.
48:36 What is funny is to be able to say, we are really making
48:40 this important, this is important.
48:42 I've been clean since 1979, and every single year that
48:46 I am clean, I still want to say how cool is this?
48:50 That bondage is so intense, it's amazing to me.
48:54 I want to thank you for being on the show Brian.
48:58 If there is anything that you want people to leave with,
49:02 when you walk away from this show and they turn it off,
49:05 what would you like them to remember
49:07 about you in this interview?
49:08 It's easy for drug addicts to relate, but it is not easy
49:13 for a non-Indian to relate to an Indian.
49:16 He is just a different culture and everything is
49:19 magnified in our society, because in our society people
49:25 do not move away from home.
49:27 Ever, when they come back if they do move away.
49:30 We don't have family in New York, we don't have family
49:33 in California, we don't have family in Florida.
49:35 My friend who has been living on our reservation for
49:40 30 years now, he has to go to New York to see mom, Florida
49:43 to see sister, and he says you are so blessed that you
49:47 have all your family in one place.
49:49 In our culture that does not leave the reservation much.
49:53 80 or 90% of the Swinomish members are right there.
49:57 You see I can't even relate to that. - no!
49:59 So just this year we lost my great-grandmother's brother
50:04 and sister, so from them down to my grandnephew is 6
50:08 generations of our family still alive.
50:11 So we have five generations now, but in our society when
50:17 you think about 20% of the native Americans under 12 using
50:23 drugs, that is a problem.
50:26 When you think about the suicide rate in Indian country,
50:30 70% of suicides in Indian country involved drugs and
50:36 alcohol, the rate of poverty is like 30% on an Indian
50:41 reservation, tribal members are living in poverty.
50:46 A lot of them do not have plumbing, a lot of them do not
50:50 have a telephone, people find that hard to believe that
50:54 there is no plumbing.
50:56 You can go to a reservation and you would find
51:00 Third World conditions here in the United States.
51:03 It is really sad, all that contributes to a lot of drug
51:07 and alcohol abuse, when you had that kind of poverty.
51:11 You are doing as much as you can as far as the leader of
51:15 that nation, but as far as us what can we do?
51:19 I know we can pray, that is definitely a huge deal.
51:24 I think the church should try to do more outreach in
51:30 Indian country because a Native American are receptive to
51:34 the Word, they are. - they so are!
51:37 They love it, if you can get the right person in, the
51:42 Indian country we, - are you inviting me again?
51:45 You are accepted in what, one day. You were accepted so
51:48 you know we accept real quick if people are genuine.
51:52 So I think a lot more outreach by our church.
51:57 We have to have you back and have you back with some other
52:00 folks, because I think we have to hear this more and more.
52:03 Thank you for joining us and we will see you again on
52:07 another show and stay right with this because
52:10 we are coming right back.
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52:58 It's just amazing to me, and this show has been a little
53:01 bit different because we have talked a lot about personal
53:03 recovery on other shows.
53:05 This is about when God personally steps into your life.
53:09 Like what happened with Brian is that he is drinking and his
53:13 grandpa and father, every body's drinking, so he starts
53:16 getting into drinking and drugging all that stuff and God
53:20 steps into his life and everything changes for you.
53:23 Now you are stepping into, back into your culture and
53:27 trying to bring health and recovery back into the culture.
53:31 I think when God does that it absolutely just makes me want to
53:34 kiss Him on the face.
53:35 If we stay personally looking at our recovery every day,
53:39 I really believe this with everything in me, if I just
53:42 look at Cheri and my recovery and what I need to learn,
53:45 what I need to do for health, I have to all that.
53:48 But if that is all in doing I think I will relapse.
53:52 I have to get beyond that and say what about the people
53:55 around me, the people I love.
53:57 Amy you talked about being adopted.
53:59 You could probably relate to any adopted child that
54:02 walks on this planet regardless of what their issue is.
54:05 So God stands us up and we start actually loving and
54:08 relating and healing the people around us that has
54:11 the issues that we have.
54:12 Heather you were talking, what about the spouse?
54:15 What about people around the addict?
54:17 I laugh at that because when Brian and I, there was
54:20 11 of us that went to Russia, it was a blast.
54:23 My husband went and a number of teams went and a little
54:26 gang member went that really gave Brian a hard time.
54:29 We just had a blast but one of the things we were suppose
54:32 to do was teach the spouses of drug addicts and
54:37 alcoholics, how to just simply not enable them.
54:41 One of the times I remember sitting with a group of women
54:45 and I just had to get them to say 'no'.
54:47 We are going to do some role-playing.
54:50 When your son, who is a heroine addict asks you for money,
54:54 I want you to say no!
54:56 And they couldn't even form their mouth, it was like
54:59 I can't even say it.
55:00 In the co-dependency sometimes, and in different peoples
55:03 families, are so intense that to teach people to set
55:07 boundaries is absolutely huge.
55:09 With my daughter Jaclyn, I've didn't have some issues with
55:13 alcoholism and drugs, because when you choose to get well
55:17 you to break this generational curse, this generational
55:20 stuff in your family.
55:22 When you set boundaries and start to not enable the people
55:27 around you things change.
55:29 Russia was so funny because getting women to finally look
55:33 at us, you mean just say no, Net and we were like yeah,
55:38 just say no.
55:39 They were like I can't do that, I just can't do that.
55:43 Being able to teach what the benefits, when we start
55:46 getting well the benefit and teaching somebody else and
55:49 setting boundaries for everybody to heal.
55:51 I so, again, love the fact that God says I want you to get
55:56 well, I want you to get it had to step into recovery and
56:00 then I want you to look at My face and fall in love with
56:03 Me and turn around and look into the face of someone else.
56:08 Again going back to Russia, we work with this guy, and
56:13 this kid was 20 years old, strung out on heroine.
56:18 He comes in and was sitting in the hallway,
56:22 just crying, just crying.
56:24 He has a picture in his hand, a little flyer we had put
56:28 out, and the flyer was of Chris Chapman's son who had died of
56:31 meth, and the only thing he could say, as we didn't have
56:34 interpreters with us when we found him, was he wanted to
56:37 find that Mama, this boy's Mama.
56:40 We ended up keeping this guy in a room, locked up
56:44 for seven days, right Brian?
56:47 Seven days locked up, we had people coming in around the
56:50 clock and would read to him, would talk to him, pray with
56:54 him, and he kept saying do you have any coffee or anything?
56:58 We would give him herbal tea and he would say, do I have
57:02 to have grandma's Tea again?
57:03 We didn't have interpreters, but it was being
57:06 able as an addict, as a person in recovery, I know how good it
57:10 feels to be clean.
57:11 I know how good it feels to have my life back.
57:14 I know how good it feels to not be strung out,
57:16 not to be pulled around by my addictions, to not have to
57:19 worry about going to prison and going to jail,
57:22 or having somebody die because I ran into them,
57:25 or die myself because I ran off the road.
57:27 I know how good that feels so I want to shout it from the
57:30 rooftop, I want to say, even with Brian is saying is
57:35 as a nation, we are some amazing folks, but alcohol
57:39 and drugs are taking us down.
57:40 As a nation, he's yelling out to his brothers and sisters,
57:44 and I'm yelling out to my brothers and sisters.
57:46 I know God is wanting us to do that with each other and
57:50 through the Holy Spirit, through the power of God,
57:53 I think that is the only way for some of this healing to happen.
57:56 God has to intervene, we have to allow God to come into
58:00 our families and communities, definitely to each one of us
58:04 individually and say to Him, how do I heal?
58:07 Then to stand me up, stand me up, I want to go out and
58:10 tell someone and I want to actually have it to be heard.
58:14 I want to educate myself in all those things.
58:16 Until next time always remember that God is crazy about
58:20 you, and you know what remember I am too!
58:23 Bye, and God bless!