Participants: Pastor Stephen Bohr
Series Code: CGC
Program Code: CGC000040
01:13 Shall we bow our heads for prayer.
01:14 Father in heaven, we thank you once again
01:17 for the opportunity of gathering here in this place
01:21 to seek Your face,
01:25 to seek Your wisdom.
01:27 And as we study about the method that You use
01:33 to discipline Your children
01:35 we ask that You will help us to learn the lessons
01:37 that will help us to properly discipline our children.
01:42 We thank you for the privilege of approaching Your throne
01:45 for wisdom. We thank you for hearing us
01:47 for we ask it in Jesus' name, Amen.
01:52 As we look at scripture
01:55 it becomes very evident
01:58 that the relationship between
02:00 God the Father and His Son Jesus
02:04 is a pattern of the relationship which should exist
02:09 between husbands and wives.
02:13 And so as we begin our study
02:16 I want to describe very briefly
02:20 the relationship that exists between God the Father
02:24 and His Son Jesus.
02:27 And then of course we're going to notice that God the Father
02:30 and His Son Jesus at a certain point
02:33 decided to have children
02:35 just like husbands and wives decide to have children.
02:38 Then, of course, we'll move on to speak about God's method
02:41 of discipline with His children
02:43 as a pattern for the methods of discipline that we should
02:46 follow in disciplining our children
02:49 as husbands and wives.
02:51 Now let's begin by analyzing the relationship between
02:55 God the Father and His Son Jesus.
02:58 I'd like to begin by turning in my Bible... and I invite you
03:02 to turn to your Bible as well.
03:04 We'll begin with John chapter 10 and verse 30.
03:08 John chapter 10 and verse 30.
03:11 This is a very short verse. I don't think... at least
03:15 I don't have to look it up.
03:17 It's one of the shorter sayings of Christ.
03:20 And basically He says:
03:28 Notice the Father and the Son according to this text are what?
03:33 The Father and the Son are One.
03:36 Though they are two they are really One
03:41 in a very special sense.
03:43 We all know that the Father and the Son are two correctly?
03:46 But actually they're One according to this text.
03:51 Now another point that I want to underline is found
03:54 in John chapter 1 and verses 1 to 3.
03:57 John chapter 1 and verses 1-3.
04:01 Here we find a description of the relationship of Jesus
04:05 with His Father. And there's a particular preposition
04:08 in Greek that I want to emphasize.
04:11 It says there:
04:24 Then it speaks about creation
04:26 after that.
04:27 Now in Greek there are two
04:30 main prepositions that are translated with.
04:33 One is the Greek preposition sun,
04:37 s- u-n, which means just to be with someone.
04:41 But the preposition that is used here for with
04:45 that the Son "was with the Father"
04:47 is the Greek preposition tros which means to be with
04:52 but with movement towards.
04:54 In other words, it's with but having a relationship with.
05:00 And so this preposition... When it says that the Word was
05:05 "with God" it means that, yes, He was present along with Him
05:10 but there was a relationship between them.
05:14 They moved, so to speak, towards one another.
05:18 There was a very close relationship between them.
05:21 In fact, we find in John chapter 5 and verse 20
05:25 an interesting description of the relationship between
05:29 the Father and His Son Jesus.
05:32 John chapter 5 and verse 20.
05:36 And this goes without saying. You're going to say: "Well,
05:39 you know, we already knew that. "
05:40 But it's good to read it anyway.
05:42 It says there in John chapter 5 and verse 20:
05:59 And so notice here that the
06:01 Father loves the Son.
06:04 Furthermore, the relationship between the Father and Son
06:07 is described as "knowing each other. "
06:11 Now it's not talking about intellectual knowledge.
06:14 It's talking about intimate knowledge, one of the other.
06:17 Notice in the gospel of John chapter 10...
06:21 John chapter 10 and verse 15.
06:26 John chapter 10 and verse 15.
06:31 It says here...
06:33 Jesus is speaking about the sheep and the shepherd...
06:38 He says: "As the Father knows Me,
06:41 even so I know the Father
06:45 and I lay down My life for the sheep. "
06:48 And so you have this intimate relationship between the Father
06:52 and the Son, and the word "to know"
06:55 is used to describe this relationship.
06:58 And so you have an intimate relationship between
07:02 the Father and Son.
07:03 They love one another.
07:06 They have movement towards one another.
07:09 They are two and yet the Bible says that they are One.
07:13 Another interesting character- istic about the Father and the
07:16 Son is that they share all things in common.
07:19 Notice John chapter 16 and verse 15.
07:24 John chapter 16 and verse 15.
07:28 Here we find this idea that the Father and the Son
07:32 share all things.
07:35 It says here... Jesus is speaking:
07:39 "All things that the Father has are Mine.
07:45 Therefore I said that He will take of Mine
07:50 and declare it to you. "
07:52 So all things that belong to the Father
07:54 belong to Jesus.
07:58 So reviewing what we've studied about the relationship between
08:01 the Father and His Son: even though they are two
08:05 they are One.
08:06 They have communion or movement one towards another
08:11 indicated by the preposition tros.
08:14 It says that the Father loves His Son.
08:18 Their relationship is described as "knowing one another"
08:24 and they share all things in common.
08:29 Now there's another important characteristic
08:33 concerning the relationship between the Father and His Son
08:36 Jesus, and that is that even though they are One,
08:40 even though they are equal,
08:42 the Son is actually subject to His Father.
08:49 In other words, the Son - even though He is equal
08:53 with His Father - recognizes that His Father
08:57 is the head. Now notice how we find this
09:01 in I Corinthians chapter 11 and verse 3.
09:05 I Corinthians chapter 11 and verse 3.
09:10 Here the apostle Paul says:
09:28 So is there an order even in the relationship
09:34 between the Father and the Son?
09:35 According to scripture yes.
09:38 The Father is the head of Christ.
09:40 Which means that Jesus subjects Himself to His Father's
09:46 will and He accomplishes that which His Father wills.
09:52 Now you might be saying: "Well, this is only since sin
09:56 came into the world. "
09:58 But really, the subjection of the Son to the Father
10:02 is something that already existed in eternal ages past.
10:08 For example, and I'm not going
10:09 to take time to read the statement
10:11 but in Patriarchs and Prophets
10:13 page 36 we find that
10:16 moment when Lucifer became
10:18 jealous of Christ
10:19 and he started going among the angels
10:24 and trying to tarnish the reputation of God.
10:27 And so God eventually had to call all of the angelic host
10:32 before His throne to explain the position of Jesus.
10:37 In fact in that page - page 36 of Patriarchs and Prophets -
10:41 Ellen White tells us that the Son did not explain His own
10:46 position to the heavenly angels.
10:48 He was not going to do that contrary to the Father's will.
10:51 He would allow His Father to explain His true position.
10:55 And she says on that same page that Jesus was still
10:59 to fulfill the will of the Father in the creation
11:04 of this world.
11:05 So in other words, even before sin came into the universe
11:08 the Son was subject to the will of His Father.
11:13 And of course, during salvation history we find
11:16 the same thing. I'm just going to mention
11:19 these verses in passing.
11:21 Even after Jesus resurrected from the dead
11:23 in Matthew chapter 28 verses 18 and 19
11:27 Jesus says: "All authority is given to Me
11:32 in heaven and in earth. " Notice:
11:34 "All authority is GIVEN to Me in heaven and in earth. "
11:39 In other words, the authority that Jesus receives
11:42 is a delegated authority.
11:45 Furthermore, in John chapter 5 verses 22 and 27
11:49 we find Jesus saying that:
12:00 In other words, the Father has given the task of judgment
12:04 to His Son. The Father has given all authority to Jesus.
12:10 In Philippians chapter 2 and verses 9 through 11
12:15 when Jesus ascends to heaven after His victory over sin
12:19 we find that it tells us that Jesus ascended to heaven
12:25 and He was given... Notice: He was given
12:29 a name that is above every name.
12:31 He didn't take a name... He was GIVEN a name
12:34 which is above every name.
12:36 And you can notice by the context that it's speaking about
12:38 the Father that gave Him this name.
12:41 And then it says at the end of verse 11
12:44 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow
12:48 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord
12:53 to the glory of God the Father.
12:57 In other words, Jesus lives to be the glory of His Father.
13:01 "He who has seen Me... " Jesus said...
13:04 "has seen the Father. "
13:07 In fact, in I Corinthians chapter 15 and verse 28
13:11 we find a very interesting concept, and that is that
13:14 when everything is finished in this world,
13:16 when Jesus has subjected every- thing in the hands of His Father
13:20 I want you to notice that verse.
13:22 I Corinthians chapter 15 and verse 28
13:25 Jesus will subject Himself to His own Father.
13:29 Notice I Corinthians chapter 15 and verse 28.
13:35 It says here:
13:54 In fact, do you know that we are told in scripture
13:58 Hebrews chapter 1 and verse 3
14:01 that Jesus is the re- flection of His Father's glory?
14:06 In other words, the glory of the Father is seen
14:09 in Jesus. And so we find this interesting relationship
14:14 between Father and Son.
14:15 There are two individuals... they are One.
14:18 One is subject to the head and fulfills His purposes.
14:24 And of course Jesus according to scripture
14:27 never acted independently from His Father.
14:31 He always acted in harmony or in conjunction
14:36 with His Father to implement His Father's will.
14:40 Now there came a time when even though the Father and the Son
14:44 had this very intimate relationship... And by the way,
14:47 I am not describing a sexual relationship.
14:50 You know whenever we talk about, for example,
14:52 a man knowing a woman immediately we think about sex.
14:55 We're not talking about a sexual relationship.
14:57 We're talking here about an intimate, personal relationship
15:01 between the Father and the Son described as knowing
15:04 or described as being One.
15:07 There came a time in which the Father and the Son
15:10 decided that they wanted to have a family.
15:16 And so they decided to create Adam and Eve
15:20 in this world. Of course, they had created
15:22 beings in other worlds, but we want to describe particularly
15:25 the children that they brought into this world
15:28 because that's what we have clearly revealed in scripture.
15:32 And so the Father through Jesus
15:35 brought children into this world.
15:39 I want you to notice Colossians chapter 1 and verses 16 and 17.
15:44 Colossians chapter 1 verses 16 and 17
15:48 describes this process of bring- ing children into the world.
15:53 It's speaking here about Jesus
15:56 and it says this:
16:23 So in other words, the Father brings children into the world
16:28 through the instrumentality of His Son.
16:32 And by the way, we know that they sat down and they carefully
16:38 planned before they had their children.
16:41 Now I must underline that we have children
16:44 by procreation whereas the Father and the Son
16:48 had children by creation.
16:51 It's different.
16:52 In other words, there was no sexual relationship we know
16:55 between the Father and the Son to bring in children.
16:58 The Father through Jesus
17:00 brought children into this world.
17:02 So they brought children in by the process of creation.
17:06 By the way, it's interesting to notice
17:08 in Acts chapter 17 verses 28 and 29
17:11 how this process is described.
17:14 Acts chapter 17 and verses 28 and 29.
17:20 Here the apostle Paul is speaking to the philosophers
17:23 there on Mars Hill in Athens.
17:25 And I want you to notice what he says to these philosophers.
17:31 It says there in verse 28:
17:55 What are we? God's what?
17:58 God's offspring by creation according to this.
18:02 Is this a terminology we use when we talk about bringing
18:06 children into the world... offspring?
18:09 Now notice Genesis chapter 1 and verse 26.
18:13 Genesis chapter 1 and verse 26.
18:16 You've heard the expression "like father, like son, " right?
18:19 Now notice these children... they were very similar
18:23 to their parents. At least they were in the image and likeness
18:27 of their parents. Notice chapter 1 and verse 26
18:31 of the book of Genesis. It says:
18:38 What does that word Us indicate?
18:40 It indicates a plurality of persons.
18:43 And we've already noticed that the Father and the Son are two
18:46 although they are what? Although they are One.
18:49 And so it says:
19:09 Were the children in the image and likeness of the heavenly
19:12 parents according to this text?
19:16 And by the way, I John 3:1
19:18 which we won't read
19:20 says: "Behold what manner of
19:22 love the Father has bestowed
19:24 upon us that we should be
19:26 called... " What? "that we should be called
19:29 the children of God. "
19:31 And so the Father and Son who were in this very close
19:35 relationship at one point sat down,
19:38 they planned, and they decided to have children
19:41 or offspring in their image and likeness by creation.
19:48 Now it's very interesting that this relationship between
19:52 God the Father and His Son
19:53 and the idea of sitting down and planning to have children
19:57 is reflected in the experience of their creatures.
20:00 Notice Matthew chapter 19 and verses 4 through 6.
20:05 Matthew chapter 19 and verses 4 through 6.
20:10 Here Jesus is speaking about the first marriage
20:14 of human history. And I want you to notice how similar
20:17 the terminology is to what we've just studied.
20:19 It says there in Matthew chapter 19 beginning in verse 4:
20:57 Now let me ask you: were Adam and Eve two?
21:01 Two persons? They most certainly were.
21:03 But here it says that they are no longer two.
21:06 They are what? They are one
21:09 when God brought them into the world.
21:11 Does this oneness between Adam and Eve
21:14 reflect the oneness that existed between God the Father
21:17 and His Son Jesus Christ?
21:20 Absolutely! And if I had time I would show you the same
21:23 terminology... we would read the Bible verses.
21:26 But I'll just mention it in passing.
21:28 Let me ask you: is the relationship of oneness between
21:32 Adam and Eve described also as knowing?
21:36 "Adam knew his wife" it says in Genesis chapter 4
21:41 and verse 26. That is much more involved
21:44 than just having a physical, sexual relationship
21:48 by the way. Were Adam and Eve to share all things?
21:54 In fact, was Eve to act dependently upon Adam?
22:01 Does the Bible say that the woman was to be the glory
22:05 of the man? We might not like that,
22:07 but it says in I Corinthians 11:7
22:10 that the wife is "the glory of her husband. "
22:14 She's to bring honor and glory to her husband.
22:17 Very, very similar idea... very similar terminology.
22:22 And by the way, even in this politically-correct world
22:26 that we live in, which we don't like to hear these things
22:30 because they're contrary to what society dictates,
22:33 God established the order of heaven that even though
22:37 Adam and Eve were one,
22:41 Eve was to be subject to her husband
22:45 as part of God's original pre-fall plan.
22:52 Let's notice what the apostle Paul says again
22:55 in I Corinthians chapter 11 and verse 3.
22:58 I Corinthians 11:3.
23:03 See, in the world we live in people don't like this order
23:06 that God has established. And of course men
23:08 have made it very difficult for women because they have
23:11 used this to simply stomp upon women.
23:14 That's why women have reacted, you know, and
23:18 rebelled against the legitimate authority of the husband
23:22 God has established.
23:23 Now notice I Corinthians 11:3.
23:38 You say: "I don't like that. "
23:40 Do you like the last part of the verse?
23:46 Say: "I like that last part but not the part immediately
23:50 before. " Now you can't have half of the verse.
23:54 It's either all or nothing.
23:56 Does the subjection of Jesus to His Father
24:00 make Jesus inferior?
24:02 No! They are equal...
24:06 I might use a philosophical word...
24:10 In terms of their being.
24:13 But the Son is subject to His Father functionally.
24:17 In terms of function.
24:19 In the same way, husband wife are equal
24:23 in terms of being or existence... ontologically.
24:27 But they are different, and woman or wife is to be
24:32 subject to the husband in terms of function
24:35 according to scripture.
24:37 And God established that order from the very beginning.
24:41 In fact, the apostle Paul says something that
24:44 has led people to say that the apostle Paul was
24:48 a male chauvinist.
24:50 Notice what we find in Ephesians chapter 5.
24:53 Ephesians 5:22-23.
24:56 But wouldn't you admit that if we followed God's order
24:59 both from the male side as well as from the female side
25:03 that things would work a lot better?
25:05 Absolutely. It's when we change God's order
25:09 that we start having all sorts of trouble.
25:11 Notice Ephesians chapter 5 and verses 22 and 23.
25:17 It says there in verse 22:
25:38 Notice he says:
25:39 "Submit to your own husband
25:42 as to the Lord for the husband
25:44 is the head of the... " What?
25:46 "The husband is the head of the wife. "
25:49 Now do you know that if men did what God told them to do
25:54 women would have no trouble subjecting themselves.
25:58 The problem is that men have overstepped their bounds.
26:02 Notice what God says to men which would lead wives
26:07 to respect them and to be subject to them.
26:10 Ephesians chapter 5 and verse 25.
26:14 Here the apostle Paul says:
26:26 Let me ask you: if you had a husband who loved you
26:29 and gave himself for you,
26:32 would it be a lot easier
26:34 to subject yourself
26:36 to the husband as the head?
26:37 Yes. And so the apostle Paul says to the wife:
26:40 "Be subject to your husband. "
26:42 But then he says to the man: "You love your wife. "
26:46 And just like the Father loves His Son
26:49 and the Son subjects Himself to His Father
26:53 in the same way we should have the relationship between
26:56 a husband and a wife according to scripture.
27:01 Now God when He made Adam and Eve
27:04 He placed them in a perfect environment.
27:10 He placed His children in a perfect environment.
27:13 Let me ask you: was every need of Adam and Eve supplied
27:18 in that perfect environment?
27:20 Were all of their physical needs supplied?
27:25 They had everything that one could desire.
27:28 Were their mental needs supplied?
27:32 Sure! I mean they had unlimited potential to research
27:37 the mysteries of nature and grow intellectually.
27:41 Were their spiritual needs met?
27:44 Sure! God met with them every day.
27:47 In fact, He set aside a whole day as family day...
27:50 which, of course, was the Sabbath.
27:53 And so God decided that He was going to spend time
27:57 with His children.
27:59 Let me ask you: is this a pattern of what a household
28:03 should be? Should our children feel safe and secure?
28:08 Should their needs - physical, mental, spiritual,
28:13 and emotional - be supplied in our household?
28:17 Yes, because the relationship between the Father and the Son
28:21 and their earthly children should be reflected
28:24 in the relationship between husband and wife
28:27 and their children. And so God according to Genesis chapter 2
28:32 and verse 8 the Lord planted a garden
28:35 eastward in Eden, and there He put man whom He had formed.
28:39 And of course we know that Eve was there also.
28:41 And so you have this beautiful home... this beautiful garden.
28:45 And now let me ask you: does every household have rules
28:52 that the parents must expect their children to obey?
28:58 Now as we examine the rules of the heavenly parents
29:03 for their earthly children, Adam and Eve,
29:07 we discover some very interesting characteristics
29:09 about those rules. First of all, the rules were simple.
29:17 Were the rules that God established for Adam and Eve
29:19 complicated? Almost impossible to follow and understand? No.
29:25 The rules were few.
29:30 And in the third place, the rules were easy to obey.
29:34 Now what were those rules?
29:36 Allow me to share some of them with you.
29:38 First of all, keep your room in order.
29:44 Say: "What do you mean? "
29:45 Didn't God put Adam in the Garden of Eden to tend and
29:47 keep it? To keep it up?
29:50 So basically God is saying to His children:
29:51 "Keep your room in order. "
29:54 Also in Genesis 1 verse 29
29:57 He said: "Eat your veggies. "
30:00 I'm being a little bit facetious here.
30:03 But He says: "You know, your food, the food that's been
30:07 appointed for you, is vegetables and fruits. "
30:11 And then the biggest rule is... He says that "There's this tree,
30:18 and I don't want you to play with fire. "
30:24 I want you to remember that one;
30:25 we're going to come back to that.
30:28 By the way, do you notice that God told them first
30:31 what they could do before telling them
30:32 what they couldn't do?
30:34 He says: "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat
30:40 BUT of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil
30:45 you shall not eat. For in the day that you eat of it
30:48 you will surely... " What? "you will surely die. "
30:51 Now let's take a look at this command
30:53 because it's a pattern for how we relate to our children.
30:59 Did God tell them what they could do
31:01 and what they couldn't do?
31:03 Was it clear?
31:06 Was it simple?
31:07 Was it easy to obey?
31:12 Did the heavenly parents teach Adam and Eve
31:16 what was right and what was wrong?
31:18 The distinction between right and wrong?
31:20 Of course.
31:22 Is that our role as parents?
31:24 To teach our children the distinction between
31:27 right and wrong? Absolutely.
31:30 Did the heavenly parents encourage Adam and Eve,
31:33 their children, to choose the right and to reject the wrong?
31:37 They most certainly did.
31:39 Is that our role as parents? To teach our children
31:42 the difference between right and wrong
31:44 and also encourage them
31:46 to choose the right over the wrong?
31:51 Now let me ask you: did God explain to Adam and Eve
31:55 the consequences of disobedience?
31:58 He most certainly did.
32:00 Must we explain to our children
32:03 what the consequence will be of violating the rules and
32:06 regulations of the household?
32:08 Yes we must.
32:10 And we must do it what? Very clearly.
32:14 Did the heavenly parents allow Adam and Eve to make
32:18 the wrong choice? This is a terrifying option!
32:24 Or did God the Father and the Son hover around
32:28 Adam and Eve, you know: "No! You can't do that.
32:30 You can't do that. " Always supervising them?
32:33 No. The Father and the Son explained to Adam and Eve
32:37 their children: "Look, this is the rule of the house...
32:41 don't eat of the tree.
32:43 Eating of the tree is wrong;
32:45 abstaining from eating from the tree is right.
32:48 That's a clear distinction.
32:50 PLEASE choose to follow the rule of the household. "
32:54 "Now if you don't, the conse- quence is going to be death
32:58 and we don't want you to die.
33:01 That's going to be the consequence: death. "
33:05 But God said: "I'm going to give you the freedom of choice
33:08 even to choose wrongly. "
33:11 But I want you to notice that God also says
33:13 "You're going to have to live with... " What?
33:16 "You're going to have to live with the consequences. "
33:19 Is that the way we should approach our relationship
33:22 with our children? The very way that we should
33:25 approach our relationship with our children is revealed
33:28 in the way in which God the Father and His Son Jesus
33:30 related to their children Adam and Eve.
33:35 But of course in distinction with God the Father and His Son
33:39 Jesus remained subject to His Father.
33:41 He always did His Father's bidding... His Father's will.
33:45 The Bible tells us that Eve strayed from her husband's side.
33:49 She became independent
33:52 and she acted independently.
33:55 And as a result, of course, you have sin.
34:00 Now I find it very interesting
34:03 what the devil did when he came to the tree
34:07 to tempt Eve.
34:09 The devil knows that Adam and Eve are God's children.
34:13 And so what he's going to try and do is get God's children
34:17 to disobey their heavenly parents.
34:21 And I want you to notice
34:23 the argument.
34:24 Genesis 3:4-6.
34:28 Genesis chapter 3 and verses 4 through 6.
34:34 It says here... Actually, let's read 4 and 5.
34:36 We'll read 6 a little bit later.
34:39 It says:
35:07 Now let's take a look at what's happening at this tree.
35:10 What is the devil telling these children of God?
35:14 He's saying: "Look, your parents think they know everything.
35:21 You're old enough... you're smart enough
35:26 to take care of yourself.
35:28 The household rules that your parents have established
35:33 are too strict. You need to declare your independence.
35:39 You need to learn to think for yourself
35:42 not simply do what your parents say. "
35:46 Are you seeing what's happening here?
35:49 The devil is trying to get them to act independently
35:52 and to disobey their parents
35:54 if you look at this from the perspective of a family
35:58 relationship. And let me tell you something:
36:00 whenever the children act independently from their parents
36:04 the result is a disaster.
36:07 I know it from personal experience.
36:12 I'm not much into telling personal stories as you've...
36:15 as you've noticed in this seminar...
36:17 'cause I like to expound upon scripture, let scripture speak.
36:22 But you know when I was growing up I spent from
36:26 my 8th year to my 14th year
36:28 in the city of Caracas, Venezuela.
36:31 I studied all of my primary education there.
36:35 And I was quite a pill there in primary school.
36:40 If you met some of my teachers they would tell you that.
36:43 I've become regenerated since then.
36:50 But anyway, I remember my parents would tell me
36:53 "Steve, don't throw stones. "
36:58 And I'd think, you know... "You might hurt someone. "
37:01 I'd think: "Yeah, they think I can't handle a stone. "
37:06 And I remember that I used to like to light sparklers.
37:10 Down there they do it at Christmas time... not July.
37:14 And I used to like to light them, and when they were burning
37:17 real nice just throw them as far as I could
37:19 without even looking where I was throwing them.
37:21 "They said: "Don't light sparklers. Don't throw them. "
37:24 "Ah, parents... they think they know everything. "
37:27 They would also tell me: "Steve, don't play with matches.
37:33 You might burn something down. "
37:36 "Ah, parents... they think they know everything. "
37:39 I had some very interesting experiences.
37:42 One day at school I had this great big rock
37:48 and I hurled it against the ground.
37:52 And I didn't notice that there was a student that was crossing
37:55 in my path, and it hit him in the ankle and broke his ankle.
38:00 My punishment was that I had to every day
38:04 I had to go with my dad to this young man's... young boy's
38:10 house and help him get into the car, take him to school.
38:15 After school I had to help him get into the car
38:18 and we had to take him home. So a lot of my afternoon was
38:21 cut into having to do this.
38:23 If I'd just listened to my parents and not thrown stones
38:26 that wouldn't have happened. On another occasion
38:30 I had this sparkler burning real well
38:33 and I took the sparkler and I hurled it into the air
38:36 and I didn't notice that there was a balcony and there were
38:38 all kinds of clothes hanging on the balcony.
38:42 And one of these sparklers fell into the clothes
38:46 that were hanging there. They were dry already.
38:48 And suddenly there was this raging fire.
38:51 The clothes were burning on the porch.
38:53 I was afraid the whole apartment complex
38:56 was going to be burned down.
38:57 The fire department came very quickly.
39:00 Then at this place I lived in Caracas... the name of the
39:03 section of town was El Paraiso.
39:06 You know, we had this great big field in back of the
39:09 apartment complex and it had these big tall weeds
39:12 and it was dry season.
39:14 And me and my friends would go back there and we would play
39:16 like we were camping, you know?
39:18 And of course we had matches.
39:20 And so we would take these matches, and we would light
39:22 the matches. We could put it out any time, you know.
39:25 Little fire. And so, you know, we lit this match
39:28 and a little bit of the dry grass began burning.
39:33 And we were observing it. And then when we tried to
39:35 put it out we couldn't.
39:37 And soon that whole field was raging with fire.
39:41 And you know, we went into our houses and we hid
39:45 because we are afraid what the fire department would do.
39:48 And suddenly about three or four fire trucks came
39:50 and they started... You know, there were some propane tanks
39:54 in the back of the building. We were afraid that the
39:56 propane tanks were going to explode.
40:00 Parents know best.
40:03 Do you know why? Because they have experience.
40:07 What if Samson had listened to his parents?
40:11 You know, Samson says: "Oh, this beautiful woman
40:15 in the land of the Philistines. I want her. "
40:19 And his parents say: "Now Samson,
40:23 have you ever read what God says about marriage?
40:27 That we're supposed to marry within the household of faith.
40:33 Within Israel. "
40:35 And do you know what Samson says?
40:38 Says: "Get her for me because she has pleased my eyes. "
40:43 And do you know what? That decision cost him his eyes
40:47 because they were poked out.
40:50 His life was a disaster
40:53 because he did not listen to his parents!
40:55 And so God created Adam and Eve... His children.
40:59 He said: "Obey Me and be happy. "
41:01 But the devil comes and says: "Ah, come on, you need to
41:03 act independently. Think for yourself...
41:06 don't just do what your parents tell you. "
41:09 And as a result, they sinned
41:12 and we have this world full of misery today as a result.
41:17 That's the reason why we find in Exodus chapter 20
41:21 and verse 12 some very wise counsel
41:24 from our heavenly Father.
41:27 Exodus chapter 20 and verse 12.
41:30 I'm sure we're all acquainted with this commandment.
41:35 It says there... this is the fifth commandment:
41:57 What is the result of honoring your father and your mother?
42:01 Long days.
42:03 If Adam and Eve had honored their heavenly Father,
42:06 would they still be living upon the earth?
42:09 They most certainly would.
42:11 Now we live in a world of sin, but if we follow the counsel
42:14 of our earthly parents would our lives be a lot happier?
42:18 And longer? And better? Absolutely.
42:21 By the way, do you know what it means to honor
42:24 our father and our mother?
42:27 Notice the book of Ephesians chapter 6 and verses 1-3.
42:32 Ephesians chapter 6 and verses 1 through 3.
42:35 Here the apostle Paul is going to quote the fifth commandment
42:40 and he's going to tell us what honoring our parents means.
42:44 Just like Adam and Eve should have honored their
42:46 heavenly parents, they shouldn't have listened to the devil,
42:49 on an earthly plane, children should listen to their parents.
42:53 On an earthly level.
42:55 Because the relationship between
42:57 the Father and the Son
42:58 and Adam and Eve should be
43:00 reflected in the relationship
43:01 between parents and their children.
43:03 And the devil will try to lead our earthly children
43:06 to disobey us just like the devil tried to lead...
43:10 and actually led... Adam and Eve to disobey God.
43:12 Are you understanding the parallel?
43:14 Now notice Ephesians chapter 6 and verse 1:
43:27 Now do you notice that it doesn't say that
43:29 children are supposed to blindly obey their parents?
43:33 It says: "Children, obey your parents in the Lord. "
43:39 Which means that if your parents require you to do things that
43:43 are contrary to what the Lord wills
43:49 we have a right to disobey our parents.
43:51 Are you understanding what this text is saying?
43:53 It says: "Obey your parents in the Lord. "
43:56 The same is true with a husband and a wife.
43:59 The apostle Paul says: "Wives, be subject to your husbands
44:03 in the Lord. " If your husband demands
44:06 something that is against the will of the Lord,
44:09 the wife has a right to insubordinate herself
44:12 if you please in that particular aspect.
44:16 Because there's a legitimate realm of authority
44:19 and an illegitimate realm of authority.
44:21 So the apostle Paul says:
44:40 And then the apostle Paul goes on to give some counsel
44:43 to the parents. He not only says to the children
44:45 "obey your parents" but he says to the parents -
44:48 and this is very wise counsel - he says:
45:05 Is it possible sometimes for parents to incite
45:09 their children to rebellion?
45:11 It is. And to "provoke them to wrath"
45:14 the way the apostle Paul says?
45:16 Now that didn't happen with Adam and Eve
45:18 because God did not provoke Adam and Eve to wrath.
45:22 God the Father and His Son were good parents.
45:26 They didn't provoke their earthly children to rebellion.
45:30 But, you know, we live on an earthly plane
45:33 in a sinful world.
45:35 And it might be tempting for us parents to lose our temper
45:38 and to make matters worse
45:41 as we relate to our children.
45:44 Now did Adam and Eve disobey their parents?
45:49 Yes, they most certainly did.
45:52 In Genesis 3 verse 6 we're told that
45:55 Eve listened to the voice of the serpent.
45:58 She ate of the fruit.
46:00 She gave the fruit to Adam and Adam also ate.
46:05 Now what do children usually do when they disobey their parents?
46:13 They go to their parents and say: "We disobeyed! "
46:15 No, what do they do? They try to cover up or to hide it.
46:19 Is that what the earthly children did?
46:22 Is that what Adam and Eve did?
46:23 Yes they did.
46:25 They actually hid in the midst of the garden.
46:29 Did God seek them out and say:
46:32 "You disobeyed Me, didn't you? You disobeyed Me! "
46:36 Is that the way it worked?
46:39 The heavenly parents called the children and said:
46:42 "Children, now tell Me what was it that happened here? "
46:45 "Did you disobey the household rules? "
46:50 See, they ask before they dictate what the punishment
46:56 is going to be. Does that teach us something
46:59 about our relationship with our children?
47:02 You know, sometimes... I know from my own personal experience
47:06 our children do something that they're not supposed to do
47:08 and even before we even find out whether they did it
47:12 what are we doing?
47:14 We're accusing them.
47:16 "You did it! You dummy!
47:19 I told you not to do that. "
47:21 You know, instead of first of all gathering all of the facts.
47:24 And after having all of the facts
47:27 THEN the sentence is pronounced.
47:32 Now listen up. Did God bail Adam and Eve out?
47:42 Or did they suffer the conse- quences of their disobedience?
47:49 Did God allow Adam and Eve to suffer the bitter consequences
47:53 of their choice? He most certainly did.
47:56 Do you know that Ellen White says that Adam said to God
48:03 "I promise, I promise, I promise
48:06 that I'll obey You from this day forward. "
48:11 "Not even once more will we disobey You. "
48:14 "Please don't cast us out of the garden. "
48:17 "Please don't make us suffer death. "
48:22 "Please, please, please. "
48:26 Yet did they suffer the consequences of their choice?
48:30 Yes. God did not what?
48:33 He did not bail them out.
48:34 Now we're going to talk in a moment, in the long run
48:36 He bailed them out...
48:38 but not the immediate punishment for their sin.
48:45 What God said was going to happen took place.
48:48 Isn't it true that many times we bail out our children
48:51 from difficult situations when they disobey?
48:54 Are we doing them a favor when we do that?
48:57 When we're always bailing them out?
49:00 And always repairing and fixing things without them having to
49:04 suffer the consequences. Listen folks,
49:07 it was very difficult for God to see Adam and Eve
49:10 suffer the consequences of their choice.
49:13 And it's very, very painful for us sometimes to see
49:16 what happens with our children
49:17 when they suffer the consequences of their choices.
49:22 But we have to let it run its course.
49:25 The law of sowing and reaping.
49:28 "Whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also... " What?
49:31 "reap. "
49:33 By the way, is suffering the consequences good or bad?
49:42 Does God allow us to suffer the consequences of our choices
49:45 for our good or for our evil? For our good.
49:52 Or else He would have nipped it in the bud.
49:54 You say: "How's that? "
49:56 Go with me to Hebrews chapter 12 and verses 5 and 6.
49:59 Hebrews chapter 12 and verses 5 and 6.
50:02 By the way, did our heavenly parents suffer immensely
50:05 when Adam and Eve sinned?
50:07 Even though they allowed the
50:09 consequences to come?
50:10 Yes they did. Do we suffer
50:12 immensely when our kids make
50:13 wrong choices and they blow it
50:15 and they make a disaster of their lives?
50:17 Does it pain us?
50:18 It most certainly does.
50:19 But they suffer the consequences of their choices
50:22 so that they can what? So that they can learn.
50:28 You see, the punishment is a learning experience.
50:32 Notice Hebrews chapter 12...
50:37 Hebrews chapter 12 and verses 5 and 6.
50:41 It says here
50:44 in Hebrews chapter 12 and verses 5 and 6:
50:48 "And you have
50:54 forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you
50:58 as to sons. " Now notice, God speaks to us as sons.
51:32 No matter how hard it is...
51:34 You know, sometimes my parents suffered even more than I did
51:37 when they had to punish me.
51:40 And you know what? When my parents said they were going to
51:42 punish me I got punished.
51:45 And they knew what was the best punishment.
51:48 See, discipline has to be consistent.
51:51 You lay down the rule. You say: "If you break the rule,
51:53 this will be the consequence.
51:54 I forgive you, yes. But the consequence...
51:57 you'll still suffer the consequence. "
51:59 Is it possible to love and still have the children
52:02 suffer the consequence for their choice?
52:04 Do they learn through it? They most certainly do!
52:06 And the way that my parents really could make me suffer
52:10 was not by spanking me. They soon discovered that
52:13 that one doesn't work that well.
52:16 You know what really worked was them leaving me
52:20 without a meal or without dessert.
52:25 Oh... that was terrible!
52:28 That really made me feel like never doing it again.
52:33 And they always made us suffer the consequences
52:36 no matter what. Painful for them.
52:38 I knew that they were hurting.
52:40 They were hurting more than I was.
52:42 But they knew that it was necessary so that we could
52:45 learn from our experience.
52:48 Notice also Proverbs 23 verses 13 and 14
52:52 on this same point. Proverbs 23:13-14.
52:58 Here we find some very wise counsel.
53:02 The wise man Solomon... By the way, he's not speaking
53:06 from an ivory tower. He knows what he's talking about.
53:35 That is an extremely politically-incorrect statement
53:39 in this world today.
53:40 'Cause the idea is: let the children grow like weeds.
53:45 No discipline... no punishment.
53:48 There's even children who are suing their parents
53:52 for their parents punishing them.
53:55 Perhaps that's the reason why the apostle Paul
53:58 has told us in II Timothy 3 verses 1 and 2
54:02 in that long catalog of sins that are going to exist
54:05 at the end of time... one of the list - and by the way,
54:09 I'm going to read. It says:
54:25 Is that true today?
54:27 It is SO TRUE today.
54:31 And young people, children: believe me that when your
54:34 parents ask you to obey them it's for your good
54:38 and it's worth listening to them
54:40 because they've lived a lot longer than you have
54:43 and they know. Have you ever heard the expression
54:46 "Father knows best? "
54:47 That is true!
54:50 Father does know best; mother does know best.
54:54 Now did you notice that in Proverbs - the passage that we
54:58 read - says that by punishment
55:01 the child will be saved from death; he will be saved
55:06 from hell or Sheol?
55:12 Let me ask you this as we bring this to a conclusion:
55:15 even though our heavenly parents
55:20 allowed the punishment to fall upon Adam and Eve
55:24 was the purpose of that punish- ment ultimately redemptive?
55:30 It sure was.
55:32 Did God forgive His earthly children?
55:35 He most certainly did.
55:36 Did He give a promise that He was going to restore them
55:39 ultimately? Yes!
55:41 The purpose of the discipline was their restoration.
55:45 And that's shown by Genesis 3 verse 21
55:48 where we're told that God also for Adam and his wife
55:53 made tunics of skin and clothed them.
55:59 In other words, God is saying: "Even though you're suffering -
56:01 dust you are and to dust you shall return -
56:03 even though I'm casting you out of the garden,
56:05 you're suffering the immediate consequences of your sin
56:08 I want you to know that in the long run
56:12 the purpose of all of this is to restore you
56:15 and to save you from death... to save you from Sheol...
56:19 so that you might be saved in God's kingdom. "
56:23 And so the relationship between God the Father
56:27 and His Son and His children Adam and Eve
56:32 is actually a model or an illustration
56:36 of the relationship which should exist
56:39 between husbands and wives.
56:41 And the relationship between husbands and wives
56:45 and their children is illustrated by this
56:48 relationship between God the Father and His Son.
56:50 It teaches us how to teach the rules.
56:54 What to say to our children.
56:56 The necessity of implementing the discipline for the action
57:01 chosen and yet the love with which we want to restore
57:06 ultimately and see our children saved
57:10 in God's kingdom.
57:12 And so Genesis addresses very clearly
57:15 the issues of husband and wife
57:19 and the relationship they are to sustain with their children.
57:24 May God bless us and teach us these lessons.